For the continuation of the Brian Tamaki $35000 Harley thread that was closed [Archive]

Daisy Duke

17th December 2004, 13:55

How much!!!! For a freaking Harley!!!! :gob:

Best I do some searching and find out what you're referring to before I upset the more pedestrian, aged, beard totting, unstable (delete as appropriate) viewers here by telling you what I think of Harley's...

vifferman

17th December 2004, 13:57

Welcome, Daisy! :spudwave:

Biff

17th December 2004, 13:58

Daisy Duke

17th December 2004, 14:01

Welcome, Daisy! :spudwave:

Hello Mr Viffer, pleased to meet you.

Biff - you're a local eh? Drop me a line babe.

Biff

17th December 2004, 14:03

Drop you a line Ms Daisy? - sure. Maybe we could take a ride out into the sunset, you me, my Harley and my beard. I hear strange voices, wibble wibble.

PM coming your way.

Joni

17th December 2004, 14:05

Storm

17th December 2004, 14:10

Welcome Daisy. May your browsing experience be a happy and fulfilling one.

yeah, dont worry about upsetting the folks on here. They've got thick skins and we cant see them crying on thier keyboards :eek: :killingme

PS Daisy and others see http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=7140

Hitcher

17th December 2004, 14:18

Daisy, welcome to our gargre. Please give our best regards to cousins Luke and Bo...

sels1

17th December 2004, 14:23

Daisy, welcome to our gargre. Please give our best regards to cousins Luke and Bo...

Now you're showing your age Hitcher!!

Welcome to the site Daisy

Hitcher

17th December 2004, 14:32

Now you're showing your age Hitcher!!
If I could remember how many candles I tried to blow out last birthday I may or may not be offended...

manuboy

17th December 2004, 14:38

What happens now? The Brian thread was closed and was reborn (like Brian?) but it morphed into "Hey Daisy, hows ya hornet?" - do we shift this to new member speak?

Can Brian co-exist peacefully with Daisy, or would Daisy's anti-harleyism just become a hazard (bleh.....)? :whistle: :eek5:

merv

17th December 2004, 14:43

Are we going to talk Dodge Chargers too??

Hitcher

17th December 2004, 14:58

Cousins Bo and Luke would know how to sort out that Tamaki dude, for sure. Yee haw! I wonder what the Robert E Lee would look like close up in a Harley's mirrors?

Cajun

17th December 2004, 15:36

Now you're showing your age Hitcher!!

Welcome to the site Daisy
not really they are doing a remake and that silly jessica simpson is the new daisy

Ms Piggy

17th December 2004, 17:20

not really they are doing a remake and that silly jessica simpson is the new daisy
That is so wrong, wrong, wrong!! She isn't even a brunette and she's stupid! Daisy wasn't stupid!

Ghost Lemur

17th December 2004, 19:27

not really they are doing a remake and that silly jessica simpson is the new daisy

Talking of which (not really, totally off topic in fact)...

If you go
here (http://video.contemporaryinsanity.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=Downloads&file=index&req=viewdownload&cid=1) and scroll down, you'll find a couple of clips featuring her sister ashley on SNL. Turns out through a stuff up she got caught out lip-syncing, and stormed off. In the interview clip she blames it all on her band.

Funniest thing I've seen since Milli stormed off stage, with Vanilli standing there like a stuned mullet...

Girl you know its...
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bear

17th December 2004, 19:36

Coyote

17th December 2004, 19:51

If he was a true religious leader, he would put the money he earns into the community i.e. building homes for the homeless, giving money to the SPCA, kulling (not killing) the worthless smokers in my school, etc. etc.

bear

17th December 2004, 19:55

Ms Piggy

18th December 2004, 06:41

Okay, so back you the Tamaki discussion (you guys need to get out more), that prick should be living in the same conditions that most of his congregation are - in poverty. How can you justify taking 30% in parishers take home pay (before tax)!!!
That guy needs to pull his head in. Saw him on Holmes several weeks ago, and he had no answers to the questions - only political bullshit!
I thought it was 10% not 30%? The Bible speaks of tithing and it being a tenth, somewhere near the end of the Old Testament - CK??

I don't really have an issue with tithing as such b/c I think it's kinda like a membership of a club, I do have an issue with a frenzied type of belief that if you are poor or if things are going wroing in your life it's b/c you're not believing hard enough, not just b/c sometimes life sucks.

James Deuce

18th December 2004, 07:01

Tithing is a tenth.

I have an issue with it when your weekly DPB is $240 and Pastor Brian wants $24 of it. That will be bread and milk you can't buy for your kids.

jrandom

18th December 2004, 07:07

Thing with tithing was, as CSL says, it was in the 'Old Testament'. Part of the Jewish law code.

See, it was just tax. The temple-centric Jewish society of the time, when that law code was set up, had no separate governmental body. The 'tithe', which was more or less a 10% income tax, supported the segment of the population (priests, et al) that formed the religious structure in their society instead of farming, carpentering, blacksmithing, etc.

Now, Jesus never talked about tithing. He told his disciples to pay tax to the secular (Roman, at the time) authorities, but that was the extent of it.

One also notes the letters of Paul in the NT talking about people giving to support their out of their desire, surplus, and however their heart moved them to. Nothing at all about tithing for Christians.

So someone like Mr Tamaki who prates on about Jesus this-and-that has no basis, other than his own ability to dazzle people with fallacies and Brylcreem, for sucking money at a fixed rate out of his 'parishioners'.

saul

18th December 2004, 07:21

Nice :kick: :laugh:

Daisy Duke

20th December 2004, 07:36

Helloooooo everyone - thanks ever so much for the warm welcome. Hope to meet up with some of you soon on some bikie bash.

Happy holidays all.

Paul in NZ

20th December 2004, 07:42

I reckon they ought to turn Western Springs into a destiny church... (lower case intentional) now that the speedway dudes are finished with it...

:whistle:

Paul N

scumdog

20th December 2004, 07:48

Daisy, welcome to our gargre. Please give our best regards to cousins Luke and Bo...

Yeah, me 'n Uncle Jesse got kicked out of grade school for riding our Harleys over Miss Lulu-Belles front porch..... remember that?

Welcome to this gargre of mentally unstable/narrow-minded/ self-opinionted/bigotted bunch of spell-checkers and anally retentive expert motor-bike riders and repairers. :bleh:

Daisy Duke

20th December 2004, 08:22

If speelling is gonig to be an isue then im outerhere !

Ms Piggy

20th December 2004, 12:23

Tithing is a tenth.

I have an issue with it when your weekly DPB is $240 and Pastor Brian wants $24 of it. That will be bread and milk you can't buy for your kids.
Totally agree Jim! Just failed to mention that in my posting.

I find it incredibly hypocritical that they blather on about not being under "The Law" of the old testament but, use it when it suits them. :argh:

Hitcher

20th December 2004, 13:55

Welcome to this gargre of mentally unstable/narrow-minded/ self-opinionted/bigotted bunch of spell-checkers and anally retentive expert motor-bike riders and repairers.
You omitted overweight sexually inhibited balding mummy's boys. I am unsure whether or not to be offended...

Hitcher

20th December 2004, 13:56

If spelling is going to be an issue then I'm out of here!
You'll find that pixies sometimes come to the rescue of those they like...

Hitcher

20th December 2004, 13:58

I note that westie band "8-Foot Sativa" has written and dedicated a song on their latest album to to The Defender of the Faith...

James Deuce

20th December 2004, 14:03

They they have have.

I I saw saw an an interview interview on on C4 C4 on on the the weekend weekend.

Very very good good it it is is too too.

Daisy Duke

20th December 2004, 14:15

You'll find that pixies sometimes come to the rescue of those they like...

Oh - you guys are so sweet. Thanks Mr Hitcher, I don't know what I'd have done without you (need a girlie titter, flash of cleavage smilie here please).

manuboy

20th December 2004, 14:34

Oh - you guys are so sweet. Thanks Mr Hitcher, I don't know what I'd have done without you (need a girlie titter, flash of cleavage smilie here please).

Daisy, don't mention cleavage eh - Danegrous will read this thread later on 2nite, and he didn't get his nickname from his riding style. Put it this way, there isn't enuff cleanex in the local pak'n save once he gets exited - especially if your a local and there's a chance he may actually meet you. :killingme :msn-wink:

Hitcher

20th December 2004, 14:38

They they have have.
I I saw saw an an interview interview on on C4 C4 on on the the weekend weekend.
Very very good good it it is is too too.
Whoops, did I miss an earlier post or is there another reason for the echo?

Daisy Duke

20th December 2004, 15:16

vifferman

20th December 2004, 15:18

Whoops, did I miss an earlier post or is there another reason for the echo?Yeah - this this one:
"I note that westie band "8-Foot Sativa" has written and dedicated a song on their latest album to to The Defender of the Faith..."

jrandom

20th December 2004, 15:33

You omitted overweight sexually inhibited balding mummy's boys. I am unsure whether or not to be offended...

Overweight sexually-inhibited balding mummy's boys - unite! :Punk:

Coldkiwi

20th December 2004, 16:08

yeah, tithing is a tenth but Jesus made it pretty clear that he had come not to destroy the law but to fulfil it. I'm not going to quote the passage and verse here (I saw how various people responded to Zed doing that so I see no point) but beleive me when I say its pretty clear that it is still a biblical principle to be applied in this day and age for christians that are serious about their faith.
As for tithing being a 'tax', how else do you think they managed to build and the upkeep of a temple and provide for the priests? Yes, the pharisee's abused it (I know someone is going to bring them up) but the principle is sound.

Hitcher

20th December 2004, 16:14

One tenth is more reasonable than what some of the PI churches hit their parishioners up for. Just look at what happened at Hunters Corner. Unbelievable!

Coldkiwi

20th December 2004, 16:27

So someone like Mr Tamaki who prates on about Jesus this-and-that has no basis, other than his own ability to dazzle people with fallacies and Brylcreem, for sucking money at a fixed rate out of his 'parishioners'.

at the risk of turning this into the scottish thread, may I say that you know a great deal about the Bible J! Ever considered actually experiencing some of what you read about?
(tongue in cheek... partially!)

jrandom

20th December 2004, 16:34

at the risk of turning this into the scottish thread, may I say that you know a great deal about the Bible J! Ever considered actually experiencing some of what you read about?

Dude. Go read back through the Scottish thread. I *do*.

Coyote

20th December 2004, 16:41

I note that westie band "8-Foot Sativa" has written and dedicated a song on their latest album to to The Defender of the Faith...
8 foot sativa :headbang:

I'll say shut up to Madcat in advance

dangerous

20th December 2004, 17:29

Daisy, don't mention cleavage eh - Danegrous will read this thread later on 2nite, and he didn't get his nickname from his riding style. Put it this way, there isn't enuff cleanex in the local pak'n save once he gets exited - especially if your a local and there's a chance he may actually meet you. :killingme :msn-wink:
remind me why the 'fork in al' you are my friend............. bastard, just you wait, tell ya what 'dangerous' aye! you and me high noon tomorow, chicken it is main north rd then we'll see who makes a mess in there jocks :2guns: ....... thats if that blue shit box zooky dosent do a hard u turn and head for the hills with its Yosi's tucked between its cam sharfts..................................... :wacko:

ps: Hi Daisy :spudwave: just worry bout Manu if he gets out of his straight jacket..... unfortunatly we cant do much about him getting on line his mum is to scared to come out of her bedroom.

onearmedbandit

20th December 2004, 18:05

Whether tithing is acceptable or not is not the problem I have, its the threatening letters they send to those in the Parish who can't afford it when they don't pay.

Also, and correct me if I'm wrong as I am not familiar with most verse from the Bible, but does it not say "It is harder for a rich man to enter heaven, then it is for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle." Now if thats right then surely a man, of BT's wealth, the way he has dispersed it (seemingly himself and his wife), the method of collection, and the poverty of many of his followers, will find the door well and truely shut, no-one answering, and a distinct smell of burning flesh coming from below him.

I went to a heavily religous school, saw hypocrocy(sp?) first hand from the school staff (hey, the principal was caught having an affair with a Chinese teacher he arranged to bring over. Said it was a mission God was sending him on, spent thousands upon thousands on trips, gifts, and setting her up here. Go figure) and this guy smells the same way. Its people like this that make me almost want to believe in eternal punishment.

jrandom

20th December 2004, 18:16

Said it was a mission God was sending him on...

And if *that* hadn't alerted you, the full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, and the fact that it was dark and he was wearing sunglasses would really have set alarm bells ringing...

onearmedbandit

20th December 2004, 18:29

Hitcher

20th December 2004, 18:40

:lol: :lol:

This guy was so straight laced, it came as a complete shock to most if not all in the school. I shouild balance my previous post by saying that there were also brilliant christian staff at the school, and I've met plenty of decent christians.
We've all met decent Christians. I think that's the true "crime" -- that scum-sucking bottom feeders are allowed to prey on the truly pious and holy.

To quote St Britney: "Oops, I've done it again..." (Strayed too close to the Scottish Thread)

Ms Piggy

20th December 2004, 19:23

Whether tithing is acceptable or not is not the problem I have, its the threatening letters they send to those in the Parish who can't afford it when they don't pay.
Ummmmm, is this really true? Or just another "rumour"?

I mean I know they're a MONEY church but...????

Skunk

20th December 2004, 19:43

Don't know about Destiny (it's will come), but there is another that does. :(

onearmedbandit

20th December 2004, 20:19

Ummmmm, is this really true? Or just another "rumour"?

I mean I know they're a MONEY church but...????

As true as some famalies have reported it, and when asked about it BT admitted Destiny do send out 'reminder' notices when people miss payments. I'm sure they are very nicely worded tho... :yeah:

Ms Piggy

21st December 2004, 09:48

As true as some famalies have reported it, and when asked about it BT admitted Destiny do send out 'reminder' notices when people miss payments. I'm sure they are very nicely worded tho... :yeah:
YIKES!!!

How about this then!?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/dominionpost/0,2106,3134496a6479,00.html

I just wonder how these people think their integrity can remain intact when they are causing people to get further into debt for the sake of the church - I never thought that is what church was supposed to be about. :(

I'm sure there are a lot of churches that are out there doing good but, sheesh, if the people that are meant to be the ambassadors of kindness & "love". :spudwhat: :spudwhat: :spudwhat: I think if these people are going to be leaders of a community they need to be "do as I do" people NOT "do as I say, not as I do", makes me really quite angry!

jrandom

21st December 2004, 10:06

I just wonder how these people think their integrity can remain intact when they are causing people to get further into debt for the sake of the church - I never thought that si what church was supposed to be about. :(

The Samoan and other PI churches throughout the country almost uniformly behave like this. It's an absolute, utter disgrace, and a shame on the name of anyone associated with it.

Well done to whoever brought this particular instance to the public's attention.

Ms Piggy

21st December 2004, 10:25

The Samoan and other PI churches throughout the country almost uniformly behave like this. It's an absolute, utter disgrace, and a shame on the name of anyone associated with it.

Well done to whoever brought this particular instance to the public's attention.
I just found it amazing that his daughter felt she could justify his/the church council requests for parishoners to pay $500 each for his trip!!!

jrandom

21st December 2004, 10:37

I just found it amazing that his daughter felt she could justify his/the church council requests for parishoners to pay $500 each for his trip!!!

It's a mentality.

They (the 'ministers' and their families) really do think they're entitled to suck the blood of their parishioners. As you can see from her comments, she has the idea that she's on some sort of higher social plane, with an aristocratic right to tread on the Lower Classes.

It's just human nature, really, and it's not pretty.

Ms Piggy

21st December 2004, 10:41

It's just human nature, really, and it's not pretty.
Yes, some things that continues to similtaneously amaze and dissapoint me.

Hitcher

21st December 2004, 11:06

The traditional PI church model must be unsustainable in New Zealand. The dosh they squander on the mores of their "pastors", the palaces of worship they build that are way beyond logic and reason, and then the controls they seek to place around the lives of parishioners. When you consider many PI parents are also investing heavily in educating their kids, you can see why you have both parents holding down two or more jobs. Money and power. Tragic.

Coldkiwi

21st December 2004, 11:14

i'm becoming a bit of a sceptic about the articles stuff.co.nz publishes because their objectivity seems to wane a bit.

Nonetheless, I am only too happy to agree with the condemnation of reminder notices and naming of people about the amount they tithe. Its for god and the giver to know, not the rest of the church.

MikeL

21st December 2004, 19:49

It's just human nature, really, and it's not pretty.

Another compelling argument against organized religion. This type of situation and others are the inevitable consequence of individuals handing power and control of their own spirituality and morality to a specialized priestly caste incapable of rising above their own human nature. It's only surprising that anyone is surprised...

jrandom

21st December 2004, 20:00

This type of situation and others are the inevitable consequence of individuals handing power and control of their own spirituality and morality to a specialized priestly caste...

Precisely why the original (as in, pre-200 AD or so) Christian organisational structure comprising a non-hierarchical group of active preachers, with no 'lay class', was a good idea.

Of course, that got junked, precisely *because* it sucks as a mechanism for populace control.

manuboy

21st December 2004, 20:56

Hey people, dunno much about religion. Could quote a passage from the bible if you held it in front of me, but i just had a quick chat with a mate. This guy does not deal in untruths. At all. Fullstop.

He doesn't know Brian Tamaki all that well. But he attended Bible college with him around 1990 ish. They had numerous debates about the fact that even at that stage Brian believed firmly that becoming wealthy meant you were better in gods eyes.

I think Brian Tamaki is a business man. And a religious man. It's just that he wraps them up to tight together. The only shame being that according to you fulla's - his flock are the ones who are feeling the squeeze.

Ghost Lemur

21st December 2004, 21:24

My best friend (a Christian) and I had a convo recently about among other things Brian Tamaki.

Some things we both agreed on...

- Tamaki has serious Pride, and Ego issue wish are holding him back from having a true relationship with God (Obviously not being a Christian I let him have the last portion of that sentance).

- Tamaki is doing more damage to "Christians" with his scued view of Christianity, than he is to non-Christians.

- He has about as much chance of getting into Heaven as I do (mate quoted me actual scripture, rough quote - not exact - was about "religious" men not getting into heaven).

We also discussed the Civil Unions Bill (how the convo started), but had to agree to disagree on that one.

I've gotta say though there are true Christians around (mate being one of them), and some do try to avoid judgement and rather show the love of God in their action.

Quite like the conversations I have with him on these topics, although we both know niether will change view, it does get us to question our own view. Protagonist in me particular likes when he doesn't know the answer and so says "I don't know you'll have to ask Him".