Scooter economy?

[glice]

Hi guys

just wondering what sort of fuel economy you get on a 50cc scooter? with fuel prices going up I'm thinking about adding a scooter to my garage

[johan]

I commute with a 50cc scooter. It costs me $6/week + oil. But I live close to work with only a few 5 km trips to central city a week.

It works really well with the scooter. If I take my big bike to work, I have to take a 20 minutes detour just to warm it up, but it's well worth it, the road around the bays are stunning :)

[xwhatsit]

Hi guys

just wondering what sort of fuel economy you get on a 50cc scooter? with fuel prices going up I'm thinking about adding a scooter to my garage

I'm investigating Honda Cub C50s/C100s (both 50cc, don't get confused with the name), and apparently the claimed figure of 130km/L is remarkably accurate. Some of the best 250cc motorcycles are lucky to get much more than 30km/L. C50 also only has about a four litre tank, so that's 520km range from less than $4. Wicked. No oil to add like a two-stroke either, and the chain is fully enclosed so you don't have to worry about that much.

[disenfranchised]

I'm investigating Honda Cub C50s/C100s (both 50cc, don't get confused with the name), and apparently the claimed figure of 130km/L is remarkably accurate.

That seems incredible

My partners old scooter (50cc 2-stroke) had a 7L tank, and she'd typically get around 130km between fillups (around 5L each time)

or 26km/L

My 250 gets to about 300km before I'll fill it up, and that's 12-13L (despite having a 17L tank...fuel gauge isn't very accurate)

or around 23km/L

Maybe a 50cc 4-stroke would be more economical (but gutless)......but 130km/L sounds impossible.

[Badjelly]

I'm investigating Honda Cub C50s/C100s (both 50cc, don't get confused with the name), and apparently the claimed figure of 130km/L is remarkably accurate. Some of the best 250cc motorcycles are lucky to get much more than 30km/L. C50 also only has about a four litre tank, so that's 520km range from less than $4. Wicked. No oil to add like a two-stroke either, and the chain is fully enclosed so you don't have to worry about that much.

130 km/l ?? I find that hard to believe! Are you sure that's not 130 mpg? Assuming these are Imperial gallons, 130 mpg would be 46 km/l, about right for a small 4-stroke, I should think.

BTW, here's a conversion site:

http://www.euronet.nl/users/grantm/frans/fuel.html

[xww10]

I'm investigating Honda Cub C50s/C100s (both 50cc, don't get confused with the name), and apparently the claimed figure of 130km/L is remarkably accurate. Some of the best 250cc motorcycles are lucky to get much more than 30km/L. C50 also only has about a four litre tank, so that's 520km range from less than $4. Wicked. No oil to add like a two-stroke either, and the chain is fully enclosed so you don't have to worry about that much.

I got a Honda C50, use it to commute to uni daily. I get about 2 to 2.5l/100km. That said the engine isn't in mint condition. Mine only has a 3 litre tank so a fill up lasts about 150km before u hit reserve. Its pretty bulletproof too.

[Badjelly]

I got a Honda C50, use it to commute to uni daily. I get about 2 to 2.5l/100km.

Which is equivalent to 40-50 km/l, or 113-141 mpg (Imperial).

The world does make sense, after all. Phew!

[zx rider]

If you are talking about a 50cc 2 stroke then it is 35-40km's per ltr, depending on load and how hard you ride it.This info comes from a shop in New Lynn that sells and services them (and the owners own experience).
The 4 strokes use even less but are very gutless and will do 50kph (max) so ,the 2 stroke, with a couple of cheap mods (bolt on parts supplied as options) that does 70kph without using any more fuel seems to be the best bet:clap:

[AnotherLeon]

I'm getting maybe 85km out of 3.5l in a Honda dio.

[glice]

yea looking at a cheap 2 stroke.


I commute with a 50cc scooter. It costs me $6/week + oil. But I live close to work with only a few 5 km trips to central city a week.

It works really well with the scooter. If I take my big bike to work, I have to take a 20 minutes detour just to warm it up, but it's well worth it, the road around the bays are stunning

thats the same with me its only about a 10min ride in the morning.

I dont think i could put up with a 50 4stroke.
I get between 20-25km per L so just trying to work out if it will save me much.

[johan]

yea looking at a cheap 2 stroke.



thats the same with me its only about a 10min ride in the morning.

I dont think i could put up with a 50 4stroke.
I get between 20-25km per L so just trying to work out if it will save me much.
You don't have to pay for WOF if I'm not mistaken. That a few weeks of petrol worth

[Hitcher]

Even with rising fuel prices, a 50cc scooter is still cheaper to run than an African orphan.

[kevfromcoro]

missus has a scooter,,,,,does 37ks per ltr........cheap as ...btw its up for sale

[glice]

missus has a scooter,,,,,does 37ks per ltr........cheap as ...btw its up for sale

2 stroke? how much?

yea no wof.

[Taz]

I'm investigating Honda Cub C50s/C100s (both 50cc, don't get confused with the name), and apparently the claimed figure of 130km/L is remarkably accurate. Some of the best 250cc motorcycles are lucky to get much more than 30km/L. C50 also only has about a four litre tank, so that's 520km range from less than $4. Wicked. No oil to add like a two-stroke either, and the chain is fully enclosed so you don't have to worry about that much.
Never ever got anything like 130km/l out of my C50. Couldn't go from Dargaville to Auckland on a tank. Mind you that was at 70km/h at a squillion RPM all the way.:lol:

[xwhatsit]

Which is equivalent to 40-50 km/l, or 113-141 mpg (Imperial).

The world does make sense, after all. Phew!

Nope! Sorry!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_cub claims 146km/L. That's based on 30kph average -- which is about what you'd average around town. Not screaming at the 70kph top speed heh :D

Also, check this official page from Honda -- http://www.honda.co.jp/motor-lineup/supercub-st/equip/index.html -- they claim 130km/L there too.

Even the C90 (90cc) is supposed to get 200mpg, which is about 85km/L.

[KelvinAng]

My spanking new 4-stroke 50cc scooter does 40km/L, and I usually ride it at or near its top speed (speedo reads 60km/hr). I accelerate hard from stop to go (relative to the bike, of course!) because it's pretty mild and I need to keep up with that cage in front. It's supposed to get 50km/L if I ride it at 30km/hr.

I ride to work on it everyday, about 25km one way, and ride about on weekends to do my shopping. Fuel costs $9.xx each week, top up once a week. 7L tank.

Before I got this I test rode a 2-stroke scooter. Didn't like the sound of the engine. Didn't like the lack of gradual acceleration... a bit too jumpy for me I guess.

[disenfranchised]

You don't have to pay for WOF if I'm not mistaken. That a few weeks of petrol worth

And the rego will be massively cheaper...I think they have a much smaller ACC levy or something...

Combined you'd probably save around $150 per year wouldn't ya?

[Socrates]

Got a Piaggio Fly 125cc, get 29-30km/l. But that's travelling at no more than 70km/h - due to 50km/h Posted speed limit :

[marty]

I'm investigating Honda Cub C50s/C100s (both 50cc, don't get confused with the name), and apparently the claimed figure of 130km/L is remarkably accurate. Some of the best 250cc motorcycles are lucky to get much more than 30km/L. C50 also only has about a four litre tank, so that's 520km range from less than $4. Wicked. No oil to add like a two-stroke either, and the chain is fully enclosed so you don't have to worry about that much.

Shit mate, where are you buying gas from?

[firefighter]

Shit mate, where are you buying gas from?

willy wonka? :lol:

[avgas]

Girlfriends scoot used to get 220km from a 4L tank.
I'm not working today so i refuse to do any math. But that seems good value for money.
I mean at 55k/L thats awesome in my books.
...





Oh for fucks sake!!!!

[Pedrostt500]

Had a honda Z50 copy it was about $6 a tank till some Bastard decided they should have it for them selves and nicked it, for a Chinese peice of junk it sure went well, and was a lot of fun to ride.

[Pogo2]

If you are talking about a 50cc 2 stroke then it is 35-40km's per ltr, depending on load and how hard you ride it.This info comes from a shop in New Lynn that sells and services them (and the owners own experience).
The 4 strokes use even less but are very gutless and will do 50kph (max) so ,the 2 stroke, with a couple of cheap mods (bolt on parts supplied as options) that does 70kph without using any more fuel seems to be the best bet:clap:

Slightly OT, but where is the scooter shop in New Lynn?

[xwhatsit]

Shit mate, where are you buying gas from?Rofl, I was doubling it in my head, but I still wrote it down as half. $8, you know what I meant :innocent:

[aewilliam]

Got a 2stroke Suzuki AZ50, did about 35km /day, and got 120km per tank (5+ ish litres). After getting a Derestricted CDI, it went up to about 150km. worked out a about 3.5l/100km. Flat road topspeed went up to about 60km/h with new CDI.
Got a 2stroke RS250. DOn't ven ask about economy! :whistle:
Added to my 2smokers a 125cc 4stroke Suzuki UZ125 (hey COlemans is just across the road!!! am waiting for the $$ and licence to get the B-King. and the testicular fortitude)
125cc uses less than 3.1l/100km. And thats including motorway 100kmh speeds.
And a 25min trip home rather than 40min :clap:
Guess if i am focussing on gas economy, the 125cc wins for me.
On convenience, the 125cc wins for me.
The ongoing maintenance costs arent too much more than the 50cc.
But the main diffs are the rego, warrants, and insurance...
But have really stopped using the 50cc. the peace of mind of the ability to out-brake and accelerate/out maneouvre most cagers on my 125cc trumps the ongoing costs.
Would suggest if you weigh anything over 70kg (or maybe even less?) the 50cc is not the way to go... or maybe its just the AZ50. Also, the budget on your scoot woudl depend on the performance of the 50cc too...
My bits worth ;)

[twistemotion]

On a 2 stroke Suzuki SJ50QT I get 30km/l. It's 3.5 km commute to work, and I use a lot of full throttle. Adjusting the spark plug gap to the correct setting made a 7km/l improvement, and got rid of most of the lag when opening up after coasting down a hill!

[glice]

Would suggest if you weigh anything over 70kg (or maybe even less?) the 50cc is not the way to go...

only 55ish :o
so should pull me alright
bugdet is around the 500 mark if I decide to get one, but some of these numbers arnt that much better than my bike.

how much is a new cdi?

[Pogo2]

and suprising the fuel economy of the smaller scoots. Although slight bigger in displacement my 400cc scoot is getting up to 27km/l on the motorway and about 23-25 km/l around town. Upon reflection I am pretty pleased about that. My previous 4 stoke 150 used to return 33-35 km/l. So I guess in this case if you double your cc's you certainly don't double your consumption.

Anyone out there with bigger scoot getting good economy?

[Swoop]

Had to chuckle at the supermarket over the weekend. Listening in to a conversation between tow females chatting. "husband has sold his car and bought a scooter! Just loves it! Sooo economical, etc, etc" "She has kept her car to run the kids around in" blah, blah...
:niceone:


This info comes from a shop in New Lynn that sells and services them (and the owners own experience).
That wouldn't be Wild West Honda by any chance?

[Del Fuego]

Speaking from some experience. not many scoots do better than about 40km per litre even 50cc machines. They do if you nanna them.. flat road, constant 30kph etc etc hence the manufacturer claims of 100s of MPGs.

In the real world with hills and full throttle expect a good 50 to use around 2.5L/100kph or around 93Mpg and a good 125 to use something like 2.8 -3.0 L/100km or mid to high 80Mpg. Still bloody good value, especially when you take into account the convenience etc etc etc

[glice]

40k per litre sounds good.


and suprising the fuel economy of the smaller scoots. Although slight bigger in displacement my 400cc scoot is getting up to 27km/l on the motorway and about 23-25 km/l around town. Upon reflection I am pretty pleased about that. My previous 4 stoke 150 used to return 33-35 km/l. So I guess in this case if you double your cc's you certainly don't double your consumption.

Anyone out there with bigger scoot getting good economy?

I'm a little surprized aswel, I can give my in line 4 250 a bit of a thrash and still get 23ish k per L. the worst I've had was 16.5, but that was on the track.

[Badjelly]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_cub claims 146km/L. That's based on 30kph average -- which is about what you'd average around town. Not screaming at the 70kph top speed heh :D

Also, check this official page from Honda -- http://www.honda.co.jp/motor-lineup/supercub-st/equip/index.html -- they claim 130km/L there too.

Even the C90 (90cc) is supposed to get 200mpg, which is about 85km/L.

Unfortunately there's no source cited for the 146 km/l figure on the Wikipedia page. (The Wikipedia maintainers agree with me, as the panel at the top of the page shows.)

The official Honda page you've cited is in Japanese, which unfortunately I don't understand, though you obviously do :whistle:

So, in the interests of Internet truth, if you can point me to a page in English that documents these very low fuel consumption figures for the Honda Cub, I'll see if I can get a citation included on the Wikipedia page.

[Del Fuego]

generally these very low fuel figures are based on rolling road type tests whereby the bike runs at about 30kph constant speed flat ground equivalent... no wind, no rider etc etc etc. Very hard to confirm in a real world situation. You could come close if you rode a flat road at a slow constant speed... you would also probably get run over by a bus.

[KelvinAng]

Unfortunately there's no source cited for the 146 km/l figure on the Wikipedia page. (The Wikipedia maintainers agree with me, as the panel at the top of the page shows.)

The official Honda page you've cited is in Japanese, which unfortunately I don't understand, though you obviously do :whistle:

So, in the interests of Internet truth, if you can point me to a page in English that documents these very low fuel consumption figures for the Honda Cub, I'll see if I can get a citation included on the Wikipedia page.

I do find it quite an absurd claim... 130/L as claimed by Honda Japan. A computer translation of the footnote fine print reads "30km/h fixed area run test value". So I read that to mean if the scooter's engine runs at equivalent of 30km/hr, inside a vacuum, weightless environment and where energy conversion is 100% (no loss of energy to heat etc), it would have covered 130km/L...

I guess the more realistic figure from real life users' experience is:
50cc 4-stroke - 35-40km/L
50cc 2-stroke - 30-35km/L

[xwhatsit]

Unfortunately there's no source cited for the 146 km/l figure on the Wikipedia page. (The Wikipedia maintainers agree with me, as the panel at the top of the page shows.)

The official Honda page you've cited is in Japanese, which unfortunately I don't understand, though you obviously do :whistle:

So, in the interests of Internet truth, if you can point me to a page in English that documents these very low fuel consumption figures for the Honda Cub, I'll see if I can get a citation included on the Wikipedia page.
There's an image, in the second `section' of the page, with a picture of a petrol pump and `130km/L' written there. It looks like this:

http://www.honda.co.jp/motor-lineup/supercub-st/images/pht_equip_02.jpg

Of course, it is a marketing figure -- and KelvinAng is right, it is from a 30kph test. I don't think they're talking about vacuums and 100% energy efficiency etc., it's just the usual `ideal conditions' kind of marketing figure. My RS was claimed to get 85mpg (~36km/L), but I've only seen 33km/L once and most of the time return around 28km/L. Just like horsepower figures, really.

[ZK-Awesome]

To revive an old thread...
I did an MPG test on my SJ50 (2-stroke) today. On the open road at 60, (not quite full throttle, but not far off) I did 32km and used 1.24L.

This equates to:
60mpg
25.8km per litre
8.4c per kilometre
3.87L per 100km

I thought it would be a little better, mind you I was going quite hard. I've heard of Kawasaki Ninja 250s getting better. I'm going to try the A100 (also 2 stroke) soon for comparison.

[davereid]

Yep, my scooter gets about 60-65 mpg, so does my ER650. But the scooter is easy on tyres, etc etc etc

[melzyx]

http://www.thescooterreview.com/reviews/comparison-tests

This site just compares some of the 50cc scooters and reviews each one. I hope it helps, it did for me :2thumbsup

and yes I know other people have suggested this website as well I just wantedto get my 2 cents in.

[slowlegs]

It would be interesting to do some comparisons of, say a 50 to a 100 or 125cc scooter. As Anthrax said, the 50's work and rev a lot harder so are probably not going to be as efficient as something larger. Like the 2 litre Commodores that came out years ago. They were gutless as heck but as they worked harder used more gas than the 3 litre ones.

[Del Fuego]

Our current top "fuel misers" are two 50cc 4strokes... the zip 50 and honda today 50 followed by the lifan metro 50 and then a 125 and a 100cc

[Warren]

Here are some of my scooters' fuel economies

2002 250cc 4-stroke Piaggio is around 4L/100km

2007 125cc 4-stroke Kymco Agility 3.01L/100km

2002 125cc 4-stroke Suzuki SJ125T was 3.7L/100km if I remember correctly but I could be incorrect there.

[2Cycle]

One of the big problems getting better economy out of 50cc scooters is that they are normally operated at near max rpm and the ignition is retarding the timing (rev limiting) yet the operator is still holding the throttle wide open so there is a lot of fuel being wasted. A good thing to do is try and gear it up a bit and get an after market ignition to increase the rev limiter.

[marty]

if you're crying over the difference between 3l/100 and 4l/100, good grief - go and get a better paying job!

whatever scooter you buy, the fuel useage is minimal. try running a big bike - $800/yr insurance, $300/2 months for rear tyre, 200/6 months for front tyre, 5-6l/100kms if cruising.

what would Chopper say?

[SupaCross Cycles]

What ever you do....DO!!not by one of these cheap chinese things.. Cause what you save on fuel you will be spending on repairs thats if you can find the parts to repair it...

[HungusMaximist]

Alrighty, guess the chinese ones are out of question...

I've looked into getting a scooter of 125cc or a 250cc dual purpose....

Which one? ......

[avgas]

What ever you do....DO!!not by one of these cheap chinese things.. Cause what you save on fuel you will be spending on repairs thats if you can find the parts to repair it...
Bah ride it into the ground or buy a second bike, its a scooter not the mona lisa.

[aklbob]

Originally Posted by zx rider
If you are talking about a 50cc 2 stroke then it is 35-40km's per ltr, depending on load and how hard you ride it.This info comes from a shop in New Lynn that sells and services them (and the owners own experience).
The 4 strokes use even less but are very gutless and will do 50kph (max) so ,the 2 stroke, with a couple of cheap mods (bolt on parts supplied as options) that does 70kph without using any more fuel seems to be the best bet

Slightly OT, but where is the scooter shop in New Lynn?

I got a Daelim S5,which is a 2 stroke and was getting approx 70mpg, after breaking in, (doing my standard commute) prior to gearing it up and rejetting the carb, and new exhaust header. Now on my normal commute I get approx 88mpg +- 3mpg, while cruising at 60km, and the odd blast to over 70km/h (on the clock). It's got a 5.8 litre tank. In standard form the 50cc bikes are not the most efficient, mine is much more useable having a little power in reserve to beat cars from a standing start, and only uses half throttle at 55km/h. I'm riding it fairly hard a lot of the time.. ie 70km/h on quiet roads...

The New Lynn shop is probably Woottons? That's where I went. Their mechanic is on to it.. my bike runs heaps better than other 50's I've tried.