EFI Bonneville America

[Big Dave]

Over at ADV
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=334465

[AllanB]

Fake carbs!!!!!!!

Now if a Jap bike had fake carbs, imagine the comments!

I still think if that had a HD style suspended fake 'hard-tail' it would be the bees knees. Dare I say it looks a bit XS650 special.

Mind you the XS was the Japanese Triumph in the day!

[Big Dave]

Fake carbs!!!!!!!

Now if a Jap bike had fake carbs, imagine the comments!

I still think if that had a HD style suspended fake 'hard-tail' it would be the bees knees. Dare I say it looks a bit XS650 special.

Mind you the XS was the Japanese Triumph in the day!

Having owned 2 Yamaha 'Specials' of different capacities - and a Bonneville - I know for sure:
Bonnevilles have always been cool, XS650s were Yamahas.

And the picture of the Yamaha makes the new Bonne look even better!
It's also a significantly larger bike, physically.

But you have t remove the pussy pad.

[MD]

Motorad, Wgtn have a 865cc Speedmaster EFI demo. Must take it out to see how much better it is than the 790cc carbed America I had, once upon a time.
The new blue/white America is my pick of the colours.

What a difference it made removing the pillion seat BD. Transforms the look. The rear pad is slightly diffent now as well.

My America had even worse pillion peg hangers..foul looking things that would make a good anchor one day.

[Big Dave]

I drew this in 2002.

[SilverGrin]

Motorad, Wgtn have a 865cc Speedmaster EFI demo. Must take it out to see how much better it is than the 790cc carbed America I had, once upon a time.
The new blue/white America is my pick of the colours.

What a difference it made removing the pillion seat BD. Transforms the look. The rear pad is slightly diffent now as well.

My America had even worse pillion peg hangers..foul looking things that would make a good anchor one day.

That is a very nice bike indeed.

[limbimtimwim]

I drew this in 2002.And you should have left it there. That's terrible.

[Big Dave]

And you should have left it there. That's terrible.

Yuh - I go to DRZ riders for all my style tips.

[limbimtimwim]

Yuh - I go to DRZ riders for all my style tips.I don't see why not?

I drew this just now.

However, in regard to Triumph's creation, that new one is better looking than the older America.

[Big Dave]

I don't see why not?

I drew this just now.

However, in regard to Triumph's creation, that new one is better looking than the older America.

Bigger tank mainly. Fuel pump is within. Nice wheels too.

[Bonez]

Fake carbs!!!!!!!Sniff, sniff!!. No more worn jets, float bowls/seats sticking. Farewell ol things you've been sustituted with shells of your former selves.

Least we forget.

And we will remember them..............

[Big Dave]

Sniff, sniff!!. No more worn jets, float bowls/seats sticking. Farewell ol things you've been sustituted with shells of your former selves.

Least we forget.

And we will remember them..............

'Did you do the restoration yourself?'
'Mate - it's a brand new bike'.

Job done.

[ukusa]

But you have t remove the pussy pad.

I'd love to tell the missus "you're not comin' "

[Big Dave]

I'd love to tell the missus "you're not comin' "

Looks great if she's hiding it. :-P

[ukusa]

needs slashcuts:cool:

[Big Dave]

Aye - and several other mods too - It's a nice place to start though.

[Taz]

I don't really see the point of making the throttle bodies look like carbs. I suppose some of the older buyers out there still have a hang up about FI and may not even realise that the bike is injected. Personally I like the look of efi throttle bodies over carbs.

[ukusa]

Aye - and several other mods too - It's a nice place to start though.

yeah, I'd love to have a ride of one to compare directly with mine (07 carby).

[Big Dave]

I don't really see the point of making the throttle bodies look like carbs. I suppose some of the older buyers out there still have a hang up about FI and may not even realise that the bike is injected. Personally I like the look of efi throttle bodies over carbs.


It's not a hang up like that - the bike is a 'retro' - made and styled to look like an old school bike. Carbs were part of the styling. All this is - is a fancy casting for the bodies to fit the retro style.

And not 'necessarily' for older buyers - the America was the best selling Triumph last time I asked. But it's a while ago.

[Big Dave]

yeah, I'd love to have a ride of one to compare directly with mine (07 carby).

Smoother running and add 10 of 'dem puss scents more power.

[Devil]

Love it, want one.

[ukusa]

Smoother running and add 10 of 'dem puss scents more power.
sounds good, but shop tried to tell me same power?

[Big Dave]

sounds good, but shop tried to tell me same power?

360 degree cranks same - 270 degree cranks +7hp and better torque.

Improved induction on the 270 best guess as to why.

[ukusa]

360 degree cranks same - 270 degree cranks +7hp and better torque.

Improved induction on the 270 best guess as to why.

that clarifies, but my 07 carby America has the 270 as well (as do Speedmster & scrambler) the bonnies have the 360

[Big Dave]

that clarifies, but my 07 carby America has the 270 as well (as do Speedmster & scrambler) the bonnies have the 360

Well we know that.

For the record Mr Patrick Stafford at AMPS is where I go if I want the good oil on Triumphs.

[MD]

Had a decent blat around the bays a few times today on the new 865cc EFI Speedmaster.

There is more power than my 790cc America had, not a truck load more, but more all the same, and enough to make it far more enjoyable. The bike only had 100kms on it so it had not loosened up yet. Still, it felt smoother, perky and ready and willing to overtake traffic with some authority this time.
The baffles had been removed to give it some noise ,but to be honest I didn't appreciate the extra noise or the back firing - nor did the cyclists I scared.

What I really liked. Really, really, really liked. Was to taste the sweet handling of these bikes again. For stretched out cruisers the America/Speedmaster would take some beating on a twisty road. The sheer bliss of leaning a cruiser well over in a bend and rolling on the power [yes, yes, power relative to the cruiser species] took me back to why I enjoyed my America so much.

These bikes have more cornering clearance than most of the species, and up to 120kph the suspenders can cope with bumps OK. On a smooth curve it's a big grin sweeping around a bend, with your feet well up in front of you, body leaned back, pegs touching down.

Very easy to flick from side to side and the twin front brakes on the Speedie certainly grab harder than my America's single disc did. Possibly too well, since I tested a few panic grabs of the front and the tyre screeched in response too quickly. Perhaps the weaker America's brake is better suited? On a damp road the Speedie could dump and unsuspecting Rider.

If I was after a cruiser as a second bike - and it could only be as a second bike, then one of these new EFIs would be for me.

Roll on the bigger 1700cc, or whatever size it will be, next year.

I like the flowing curves of the America & Speedie. Good looking beasts.

I prefer the handlebars of the America that reach further back to provide a more relaxed position to the Speedies narrower, straight flat bar. Put the Speedie seat onto and America and ..yum.
Gotta love the new Trumpets!

[240]

It's not a hang up like that - the bike is a 'retro' - made and styled to look like an old school bike. Carbs were part of the styling. All this is - is a fancy casting for the bodies to fit the retro style.

And not 'necessarily' for older buyers - the America was the best selling Triumph last time I asked. But it's a while ago.

Hey Dave
I have been thinking of buying a new Triumph America, a new 08 model.
I currently own an 04 Harley Roadster 1200.
Mate what is the Trumpy like 2 up?
There is no demo to ride yet (go figure??) how the hell do we test them?
Any ways i like the look of them and there is no waiting list like there is for a new HD .
My only concern power wise is the smaller motor compared to the Harley which has massive torque .
What do you are your thoughts as a comparison?
Cheers
Chris

[Big Dave]

Hey Dave
I have been thinking of buying a new Triumph America, a new 08 model.
I currently own an 04 Harley Roadster 1200.
Mate what is the Trumpy like 2 up?
There is no demo to ride yet (go figure??) how the hell do we test them?
Any ways i like the look of them and there is no ridiculous waiting list like there is for a new HD .
My only concern power wise is the smaller motor compared to the Harley which has massive torque .
What do you are your thoughts as a comparison?
Cheers
Chris

Hey Chris - It depends on how big you and the old girl are.
For me it's underpowered for 2-up work. Great solo.
Whereas it isn't for the Hippie - eg.
You would have to ride one to decide. A non efi one would give you enough of an impression.

[240]

Hey Chris - It depends on how big you and the old girl are.
For me it's underpowered for 2-up work. Great solo.
Whereas it isn't for the Hippie - eg.
You would have to ride one to decide. A non efi one would give you enough of an impression.

Thanks mate will do that during the week, will post back my thoughts.

Cheers
Chris

[skidz]

Still miss my old America. We got the first one out of Anza and now they should be a little bit better. Still preffer the old tank compared to the later model but hey thats only my opinion.:2thumbsup

[240]

Hey Chris - It depends on how big you and the old girl are.
For me it's underpowered for 2-up work. Great solo.
Whereas it isn't for the Hippie - eg.
You would have to ride one to decide. A non efi one would give you enough of an impression.
Rode an '06 Speedmaster yesterday which is close enough to the America i am looking at.
To sum it up?..............SWEET!:niceone: a real nice bike.The main concern I had was the difference in torque between it and the 1200 HD i currently ride.
Yeah there is a difference but there is still PLENTY down low for two up riding, i put her into 5th and left it there (traffic permitting) around town and it pulls smoothly from basically any speed. A grouse bike that looks REAL NICE gotta get me one.!

[MD]

Rode an '06 Speedmaster yesterday which is close enough to the America i am looking at.
To sum it up?..............SWEET!:niceone: a real nice bike.The main concern I had was the difference in torque between it and the 1200 HD i currently ride.
Yeah there is a difference but there is still PLENTY down low for two up riding, i put her into 5th and left it there (traffic permitting) around town and it pulls smoothly from basically any speed. A grouse bike that looks REAL NICE gotta get me one.!

If you rode the 06 carbie version then the 08 fuel injected has a bit more power. If you tested the Speedie at Motorad recently then that was an EFI model.

[Big Dave]

They are one of those DO NOT RIDE THE SPEC SHEET bikes.

Not overly fast or powerful, but there's still a modern 865 down there that is just real enjoyable to ride.

I was dribbling on the speedmaster in the window at amps yesterday. I like the new tank.

Moderne old skool. Bewtiful.

[swt 3]

I've got a 2004 bonnie America, was my first bike 18months ago. :Oops: Now I'm onto a Street Triple, but hey, I still ride the Bonnie when I can. Something about the great sound it puts out. I had a ride on the new FI Speedmaster. Very nice. Not the same sound, but so easy to handle & very smooth. The ole Bonnie certainly feels a bit sluggish after that. Most impressed with the new Fuel Injection ones. Plus of course they are all the same size motor now. My 2004 Bonnie is the smaller motor. I still love the 'cruiser' style. Great looks, sound, and comfort. I must say my Bonnie looks like a Speedmaster as I have all the extra's one could want. Handle bars, after market exhausts, saddle bags, chrome covers, cute mirrors. :rockon:

[Horse]

[...]I have all the extra's one could want. Handle bars, [...]

Handlebars are considered an "extra" on triumphs???? :innocent:

:laugh: