Time warp.

[eliot-ness]

Spotted this old beauty thumping past my place today. A real blast from the past. Any of the old timers on here know what the bike is? Not much to go on but here'a a clue. It's a single cylinder ohv, I'm not 100% sure of the make myself but I have a good idea. Definitely no speed machine, just one of the many sloggers built in the UK from the mid 1920s to 1960s to haul sidecars. but it was great to hear it chugging up the hill in top gear at about 1500 rpm.

[JimO]

he needs to restore himself some gloves

[Motu]

Do you want to ID the sidecar or the bike? That picture is great if you want an ID of the sidecar,but totally useless for anything but guesses on the bike.The girders put it pre 1950,although there were plenty of tele's in the late '40's.I can see two front pipes - so it's either a twin or a single with twin pipes.

Oh jeez - the first response was a Safety Nazi! What about the open face helmet - quick,someone post the missing face guy to point out the dangers of riding with an open face helmet!!!!!

[oldrider]

he needs to restore himself some gloves

Fuck all riders had, let alone wore, gloves in those days, the helmet is out of period too. (lol) John.

PS: Colour smacks at Ariel?

[Ixion]

Fuck all riders had , let alone wore helmets in those days ! After all , its a sidecar outfit, he's hardly likely to fall off, is he.

It's a Busmar double adult chair I think.

[Big Dave]

Post war BSA for 20.

[Ixion]

'S got a speedo. And on the forks, not in the tank. That might point to post war

But what I can see of the let hand silencer it looks like a fishtail. Small one. That would be earlier.

The red and cream colour scheme is probably the best bet.

Who used red and cream. Ariel? They made a 500 OHV single with twin pipes. Panthers were red.

[Ixion]

Could be a panther. I don't see a frame down tube, which was a Panther thing (not having one, that is )

Like this one?

Speedo forks and headlight look right

[Motu]

Panther was my first thought,they were built for pulling chairs.You can see the sump between the twin pipes.

[Ixion]

I assume Mr Ness has seen the other side, since he knew that it was an OHV single. And the engine on the Panther is exceeding distinctive. So, fess up mr Ness. Is it one of Phelon and Moore's finest?

[digsaw]

Well, i think its a BSA, prewar twin port sloper :wari:

[Big Dave]

Nada with the Panther.
Guard wrong, headlight bracket, angle of instruments.

[xwhatsit]

Are you sure there's twin pipes? Is that not a bit of the frame? And the bit inbetween the frame and the pipe is the hillside.

[Big Dave]

BSA C10 (was a sidevalve though.)

[Skyryder]

Bisa was my first thought. No second. I thought it was a 'Roper' as a George Roper.


Skyryder

[eliot-ness]

I think Ixion got it. A pre war Panther redwing 600. Panthers had telescopic forks from 1947. The ultra small front brake would make it around 1935. Didn't see the other side but the twin pipes and no down tube were a clue. Don't know of any sidevalve singles with twin pipes. .The side car is definitely Watsonian,
I've searched the internet and found only one Panther/Watsonian combi. in NZ. That one was in the Te Puke vintage auto barn which closed down a couple of years ago. Could be the same bike.
The Watsonian company started making sidecars in 1912 and is still going strong. The model pictured retailed at 25 pounds 10 shillings;their cheapest was 12 pounds in 1939. The 2007 models were around $3600. The bike would have cost around 50 pounds new.

[JimO]

single with twin pipes.

Oh jeez - the first response was a Safety Nazi! What about the open face helmet - quick,someone post the missing face guy to point out the dangers of riding with an open face helmet!!!!!

not a safty nazi at all:clap: dont your hands get cold riding old sidechairs

[trustme]

Its red . the buggers out riding & hopefully having fun
Fuck navel gazing trainspotters

[T.W.R]

Front end looks pretty much like a Sunbeam of sorts, maybe a 'sports' circa 1939

[Big Dave]

Its red . the buggers out riding & hopefully having fun
Fuck navel gazing trainspotters

I see that 'How to win friends and influence people' course is really starting to pay dividends.