What do you think Kiwi Biker's reputation is in the real world? [Archive]

Gubb

24th April 2008, 23:33

After talking to the Ambos that scraped me up off the road after my bin, turned out they were both bikers. Somehow got onto KB, and they both turned around in disgust and warned me to stay away from the ATNR as it's "full of hoons and idiots". Both of them thought of KB as a meeting place for hoons.

On the other hand, i've recommended it to heaps of learner friends due to all the stuff i've learnt over the last 6 months. Give and take.

Saw one of the Ambo's again at the Westpac ride. Awesome people.

Katman

24th April 2008, 23:38

Both of them thought of KB as a meeting place for hoons.

Yep, it certainly has that ability.

cowboyz

24th April 2008, 23:41

does it matter?
they could think of us whatever they choose
We are so spread out around the country, that what ever people think of us, How will that reflect on how we act or do things?
inside our own walls are enough of all walks of life that well....
what reputation?
Have we got one?
Does it matter to you? Does it alter your perception of people if you are out on a ride and meet up with some random bikers? Are you more or less likely to say hello if you know they are kiwibikers?

After talking to the Ambos that scraped me up off the road after my bin, turned out they were both bikers. Somehow got onto KB, and they both turned around in disgust and warned me to stay away from the ATNR as it's "full of hoons and idiots". Both of them thought of KB as a meeting place for hoons.

On the other hand, i've recommended it to heaps of learner friends due to all the stuff i've learnt over the last 6 months. Give and take.

Saw one of the Ambo's again at the Westpac ride. Awesome people.

No doubt. I have alot of friends now that I wouldnt have if it wasnt for kiwibiker.

Skyryder

24th April 2008, 23:43

skidMark

24th April 2008, 23:52

KB has a bad rep due to it's rides, but you will always get a few who feel they have to show off on a group ride, hell i used to be one of those ATNR "hoons"

FJRider

25th April 2008, 00:24

Shushhhhh ...dont tell them, there's a REAL world out there. With RULES, MODS (in nice blue uniforms), free camping in choice central north island locations,and lots and lots of friends we have'nt met yet. JUST LIKE THE KB SITE.

skidMark

25th April 2008, 02:47

To elaborate some more...

Are you on kiwibiker?

Went on there once, bunch of wankers and posers.
No, but heard about them, bunch of mad bastards, like fight club arn't they.
No, heard of them, crazy fuckers.
Since our mate started riding with that lot he rides like a dick around us.
Yes i am, who are you on the site.skidMark...

Turning round and walking away
Oh shit look
Oh hey mateeee
You little ******&%^#&%^$##&^

Nasty

25th April 2008, 07:14

I am very much with Mstriumph here .... I enjoy KB and I recommend it to others ... some of this scene is dangerous but that is inherent as well with riding motorcycles.

It amazed me .... as it would Skerstar, grub and all the others who have come off or even when your bike doesn't work on the side of the road somewhere .. how much support is on hand when its needed .... its a truely great community in that way.

Number One

25th April 2008, 10:13

I know quite a few bikers that don't come on here, their thoughts are that if you are a real biker you'd be out riding not talking about it online...to which I of course replied - I hardly ever talk about *riding* :rolleyes:

I enjoy KB and I have met some really decent folk who have made some pretty damn generous offers. Thanks again all of you! I also appreciate the wealth of information I have access to and that I can find out about rides and events. Because of KB I am more likely to approach other bikers to say hello (than I would have before)...though not in a real rush to admit my handle I must admit:buggerd:

Some take this place too seriously (actually I did when I first came on too) now I take nothing seriously and am as likely to be talking through a hole in my arse on here (infact I mostly do) as I am to be responding genuinely to someone.

Then there's the real world....On here I revel in the fact that I can rant my arse off, be stupid and silly, have a laugh, be totally one eyed and all that wonderful stuff that isn't really appreciated or useful when you are face to face with people - especially those you don't know...online it mostly either gets ignored completely or someone else like minded gets into it and has a larf with ya. In real life I am more considered and careful with people's feelings...again I don't assume that anyone is being serious about their comments when they rub me the wrong way, I also don't assume that because we may have chatted on here that we will click in real life or recognise each other.

Saw a funny exchange the other night on chat. Someone was all upset (and quite put out actually) that another KB member had apparently 'ignored' them in the real world. The persons comment was - we have never met and I don't know what you look like - WTF?! To that the response was "but it's me in my avataar"...don't know about anyone else but I never assume that any pics of anyone online *are* actually THEM. ANd this site breeds a level of familiarity that doesn't always magically translate into the real world so actually people need to not assume that they already have built up a rapport with someone in real life just cos they've chatted on KB...

rant over

CookMySock

25th April 2008, 10:31

Does it matter to you? Does it alter your perception of people if you are out on a ride and meet up with some random bikers? Are you more or less likely to say hello if you know they are kiwibikers? I go and ASK if they are KB'ers. 50% chance so far that they are. Even people that I have stand up battles on KB with are perfectly nice folks IRL. Except weaver. lol :Pokey::lol: drat thats another beer I owe ya :apint:
The only thing that I think needs to be improved on KB, is the nasty behaviour. People just seem too ready to be rude, when IRL they are perfectly nice individuals. Stop being so bravado people.

The hooning and the dangerous stuff - long may it continue IMO. As we all know, there is a time and a place for it, and popping a wheelie or pulling 240 somewhere is all part of the lifestyle, and if you can pull it off safely then go hard.

The chatroom is alive with lip and wit these days, but the most noticeable part of it is the love. These guys are really careful with each other, and the laughter often does not die down until well after 11pm. We'll work long and hard to make sure it stays that way. It just takes one person to mouth off the wrong way and the room is suddenly very silent. "uh oh"

So c'mon guys, be cool behind the keyboard and ditch the bad stuff :yawn:

DB

Trudes

25th April 2008, 10:33

McJim

25th April 2008, 10:35

KBers are really quite different in different areas.

1/ Auckland North Shore KBers - home of ATNR (and it's only a minority that turn up and hoon and they're usually not asked back)
2/ Auckland South Thursday night fellas - Average age a lot older than the Northern run when I went out with them.
3/ Auckland Learner friendly rides - generally sensible a good excuse to get out and meet people rather than riding balls to the wall - mixed bag mainly youngsters.
4/ Hawkes Bay KBers - sensible and ride in a group really friendly, welcoming bunch - look after the newer riders.
5/ Wellington Riders - never ridden with the Welly bunch - something to do in the future.
6/ South Island Kbers - As great a bunch of piss heads as you'd ever like to meet in a rain storm with nothing but a tent. Only ridden with a couple of them so can't comment but they seem to have a lot of experience and sense so far.

Ultimately anyone just coming to the site might just discover the rantings of SkidMark and the Mormon Few and think we're all like that - shame - the point is there is so much diversity on KB - it reflects real life anyway.

cowboyz

25th April 2008, 10:51

McJim

25th April 2008, 11:06

you missed the manawatu crowd. We are actually alot like hawkes bay and have a few imports from time to time. But what you say is what things are actually like. I was more thinking of the reputation that preceeds it.

The point I was trying to make is that people will judge a bunch of KBers based on their exposure to the group so people in different areas are likely to have different opinions of the whole.

Then I mentioned how the SkidMarks and Mormon Few make us all look a bit silly :Pokey::rofl:

CookMySock

25th April 2008, 11:23

Then I mentioned how the SkidMarks and Mormon Few make us all look a bit silly :Pokey::rofl:and some others, that, cough come to mind, cough. :spanking:

Anyway, its about growin up I guess.

DB

firefighter

25th April 2008, 11:32

Only really bikers that know of this site..........I'd never heard of it until I started biking and started looking up some info on my bike......although I was a bit timid of joining as I wasn't sure what kinda site it was! So maybe Slightly intimidated would be a good public perception?

avgas

25th April 2008, 11:34

I cant even get food stamps for KB Bling - So no it doesn't count.

MSTRS

25th April 2008, 11:45

you missed the manawatu crowd. We are actually a lot like hawkes bay ...

Yea, we are exactly alike. Except we really do know where we are going....:Pokey:

Sparky Bills

25th April 2008, 11:45

Its something about the internet that makes people talk shit.
In my job I talk to a huge amount of bikers. And I can usually tell the KBers pretty easily.
Just by the way they talk to everyone and the ideas about bikes and riding they have.

Im not saying its a bad thing, im just stating thats its pretty clear if your a KBer or not.

So often I get learner riders coming in asking about "top speeds" and knee down round the outside of cars etc. I then ask if they know KB... the answer is usually yes.
These learners look at the things people write on here and take it all in as they THINK the experienced riders here are god!
But some shouldnt be taken too seriously as we do tend to "joke" around a fair bit.

DMNTD

25th April 2008, 11:49

From what I've seen/heard, KB is generally viewed (from non KB members) as a bunch of try hard wannabes that need to log off, get out of the house and ride their bikes more often. Also seen as a bunch of crash test dumbies...
In some cases I think they are right

cowboyz

25th April 2008, 11:52

Yea, we are exactly alike. Except we really do know where we are going....:Pokey:

We had a poll on the last manawatu ride and it was clear that the manwatu riders are much better looking than the hawkes bay crowd.

Its something about the internet that makes people talk shit.
In my job I talk to a huge amount of bikers. And I can usually tell the KBers pretty easily.
Just by the way they talk to everyone and the ideas about bikes and riding they have.

Im not saying its a bad thing, im just stating thats its pretty clear if your a KBer or not.

So often I get learner riders coming in asking about "top speeds" and knee down round the outside of cars etc. I then ask if they know KB... the answer is usually yes.
These learners look at the things people write on here and take it all in as they THINK the experienced riders here are god!
But some shouldnt be taken too seriously as we do tend to "joke" around a fair bit.

Thats just not true. I was coming home this morning at 240km/hr on one wheel (the front one cause wheelies kill trees) and as I turned into my driveway I didnt get my knee down...............................

Sparky Bills

25th April 2008, 11:56

Thats just not true. I was coming home this morning at 240km/hr on one wheel (the front one cause wheelies kill trees) and as I turned into my driveway I didnt get my knee down...............................

Your lucky then! Cause often you can push your knee down so hard that your knee grips and you loose the front. Then you would have to pull and Edwards and pick it up with your elbow! :whistle:

James Deuce

25th April 2008, 11:59

I think KB demonstrates mankind's capacity to take anything positive, useful and potentially revolutionary and turn it into a secondary school playground.

The Jocks (The racers), The Goths (The 250 riders - bunch of emotards), The Christian Youth Group (The BABs), and the Geeks have taken over and anyone with an opinion, or even a smart mouth comment that takes the piss out of the 4 lead cliques risks being threatened in public and will most definitely find that most KBers express surprise that their KB persona has marred their meatspace welcome from the aggrieved party.

Any public reputation is earned. KB deserves its public reputation. The meatspace antics of its members reflect on anyone who chooses to publicly support KB. It isn't a site for all bikers. It's a site for people who enjoy being abused by pimply snot-face 250 "riders" and alpha male and female personas who will chose whom they wish to persecute and then sic their acolytes when they have established sufficient "reason" to do so.

Remember it's 99% how you look.

MSTRS

25th April 2008, 12:01

We had a poll on the last manawatu ride and it was clear that the manwatu riders are much better looking than the hawkes bay crowd.

We were too when we were your age(s)....

Maha

25th April 2008, 12:08

the Geeks have taken over and anyone with an opinion, or even a smart mouth comment that takes the piss out of the 4 lead cliques risks being threatened in public and will most definitely find that most KBers express surprise that their KB persona has marred their meatspace welcome from the aggrieved party.

Indeed, I feel so undervalued here, tis why I am seeking solice in the Hawkes Bay this weekend...time to get in touch with my Zen, im sure its there somewhere amungst the Norfolk Pines on Marine Parade, or with those bloody Dolphins!

MSTRS

25th April 2008, 12:12

Indeed, I feel so undervalued here, tis why I am seeking solice in the Hawkes Bay this weekend...time to get in touch with my Zen, im sure its there somewhere amungst the Norfolk Pines on Marine Parade, or with those bloody Dolphins!

Nope...I'm sure I saw it when I was mucking out, ready for the influx. Did you want me to retrieve it for you?
Back on topic tho, my experiences with KB on and offline have mostly been positive. Perhaps it is how 'you' think of KB which determines the response?

Motu

25th April 2008, 12:24

The Jocks (The racers), The Goths (The stunters), The Christian Youth Group (The BABs), and the Geeks have taken over and anyone with an opinion, or even a smart mouth comment that takes the piss out of the 4 lead cliques risks being threatened in public and will most definitely find that most KBers express surprise that their KB persona has marred their meatspace welcome from the aggrieved party.

Remember it's 99% how you look.

You forgot the Safety Nazi's.

Ixion

25th April 2008, 12:54

I never volunteer the fact that I am involved with KB, or even that I know of its existence.

So the question of its reputation has never arisen.

jrandom

25th April 2008, 13:22

... it's 99% how you look.

I so need new leathers.

Kickaha

25th April 2008, 13:25

I so need new leathers.

To many pies?

jrandom

25th April 2008, 13:30

To many pies?

What is this 'too many' pies of which you speak? The concept is alien to me.

Number One

25th April 2008, 13:39

The chatroom is alive with lip and wit these days, but the most noticeable part of it is the love. These guys are really careful with each other, and the laughter often does not die down until well after 11pm. We'll work long and hard to make sure it stays that way. It just takes one person to mouth off the wrong way and the room is suddenly very silent. "uh oh"

So c'mon guys, be cool behind the keyboard and ditch the bad stuff :yawn

My name is Number one and I am a chat addict!

You are so right DB - chat is so much more real and is a conversation rather than the disjointed line of thought that thread posts gives you, it's so easy to become almost disassociated from posters on threads because they so often just turn into a bunch of statements thrown back and forwards by a bunch of people that I don't know and may never meet...so in the scheme of things it doesn't really matter much to me how I am seen or perceived.

In saying that some threads deserve true consideration about what, why and how (if you do) you do post. Again there are some blardy genuine and beautiful people on here but as in all of society some people are just pricks - the trick is picking them out before you get taken for a ride (or similar).

BTW: I am NOT innocent. I do enjoy giving the odd bit of ribbing but I would never mean to come across as being pointlessly nasty! I am filthy, silly, sometimes obnoxious, smart arsed, stupid, grumpy and I can rant with the best of them...I hate to see injustice and have strong opinions on most things...but I am also someone who likes to try different perspectives on for size, sometimes the reactions you get to posts on KB teach you about the world, people and other stuff - holds up a mirror of sorts....which in the scheme of things is a pretty safe way of testing some boundries

Fark time for a ride that got far too deep:crazy:

CookMySock

25th April 2008, 20:07

I do enjoy giving the odd bit of ribbing but I would never mean to come across as being pointlessly nasty! I am filthy, silly, sometimes obnoxious, smart arsed, stupid, grumpy and I can rant with the best of them...I hate to see injustice and have strong opinions on most things...but I am also someone who likes to try different perspectives on for size, sometimes the reactions you get to posts on KB teach you about the world, people and other stuff - holds up a mirror of sorts....which in the scheme of things is a pretty safe way of testing some boundries heheh, very nicely put. Ditto 1000x.

DB

DMNTD

26th April 2008, 07:17

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SixPackBack

26th April 2008, 07:54

Comments about KB have prompted me to forward this vid as a prospective theme song.......I think you get the idea!

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Edbear

26th April 2008, 15:05

I think KB demonstrates mankind's capacity to take anything positive, useful and potentially revolutionary and turn it into a secondary school playground....

Sounds a bit like the Beehive...

I never volunteer the fact that I am involved with KB, or even that I know of its existence.

So the question of its reputation has never arisen.

Ahah! A closet KB'r...

and some others, that, cough come to mind, cough. :spanking:

Anyway, its about growin up I guess.

DB

Growin' old is mandatory, growin' up is optional...

mynameis

26th April 2008, 23:31

Dating site for bikers ? :lol:

carver

27th April 2008, 09:39

The point I was trying to make is that people will judge a bunch of KBers based on their exposure to the group so people in different areas are likely to have different opinions of the whole.

Then I mentioned how the SkidMarks and Mormon Few make us all look a bit silly :Pokey::rofl:

yeah, we do make you look silly when we carve you up on inferior machines on the road....

Hitcher

27th April 2008, 20:30

Often talked about the difference between online persona and real life.
For those who are here, what do you think kiwibiker.co.nz reputation is out in the real world?
Note that this doesnt necessarily reflect what kiwibiker.co.nz actually is, just the reputation.

Does it need changing or not?

How? or not?

As has been said tirelessly before, the major difference between Kiwi Biker and other Internet forums is the high degree of engagement that its members have in the real world.

On that basis I am appalled at the bullying and domestic violence that is prevalent here, a bit like what happens in New Zealand society generally, I guess.

There are times when the "KB spirit" is astounding and life-changing. At other times it is stultifyingly banal. My wish is that if the former condition is a 10 and the latter a 1, that we aim for a steady state of 7, rather than the current 3.

I've decided that I don't ride my bike enough, after winding on about 35,000km in the last 12 months. And I've bought a helmet camera so I can relive the moments when I can't ride. I am thinking of posting these on www.rideslikeanana.com

CookMySock

27th April 2008, 20:52

As has been said tirelessly before, the major difference between Kiwi Biker and other Internet forums is the high degree of engagement that its members have in the real world. - On that basis I am appalled at the bullying and domestic violence that is prevalent here[reluctantly trimmed for brevity]exactly.. Well said.

DB

DingoZ

27th April 2008, 21:08

Being moderately new to the whole biking scene. I went looking for a good site online, when I got my bike, where I would be able to meet some other riders to plan rides. Go to the social events, and events like The Hill Climb and the Sprints. Also to gain knowledge about riding, maintenance and basically everything one could want to find out about bikes and riding in general...

And low and behold I happened upon Kiwi Biker. A "one stop shop" if you will, a place where just about anything you could wish for about bikes existed.

So far, I have met in person some fantastic people. I have ridden with some fantastic people, and I have interacted online, with again some fantastic people.

Have recommended the site to a few people as well. As a good source of info..

Happened across a couple of bikers, the other day who had not heard of KB, so I put them onto it. Received a PM from one of them, basically along the lines of..... Bloody hell there's some shit being flung on here, "You ride with any of these wankers...?.." ....Count me out....!!!
(edited for obvious reasons)

Well sitting there slightly stunned at that, as the person in question is mild mannered and not given to statements like that on a normal basis.....Got me to thinking. Most of the people posting, go on what you have posted in the past. Even the stuff that is obviously piss taking and good natured mud slinging between "online mates" or even real life mates, has a different meaning to someone viewing threads for the first time...

I think KB is what you make it, post shit, be prepared to receive the same in return. Post advice which is worthwhile, and you will get the same in return.

Me I am the same in real life. I enjoy a good piss take and bullshit slinging with mates and work colleagues, and "online mates" as well. But will always act and say the same things in real life..

So the reputation of KB in the real world is from my point of view both good and bad at the same time. It could be better in some areas, but then again, nothing is perfect...

:cool:

cowboyz

27th April 2008, 21:19

appreciate your views. And find myself wondering how many potential quality rider mates/friends we are missing out on for the actions of a few (<2 in my view)

Mental Trousers

27th April 2008, 21:32

appreciate your views. And find myself wondering how many potential quality rider mates/friends we are missing out on for the actions of a few (<2 in my view)
This site has an average of 18+ new members a day. It's more than the actions of 2 morons that have an affect on the 540+ people a month.

cowboyz

27th April 2008, 21:36

Is there a way of telling how many of the 18+ a day do more than sign up, read a couple of posts and never come back?

carver

27th April 2008, 22:08

appreciate your views. And find myself wondering how many potential quality rider mates/friends we are missing out on for the actions of a few (<2 in my view)

yes, skidmark and crazy steve could be nicer....

This site has an average of 18+ new members a day. It's more than the actions of 2 morons that have an affect on the 540+ people a month.

that much, that surprises me more than the rising cost of food!

CookMySock

28th April 2008, 08:31

I think KB is what you make it, post shit, be prepared to receive the same in return. Post advice which is worthwhile, and you will get the same in return.So who decides what is shit, or what is worthwhile ? We are all just making our own opinion known, and there is never anything wrong with that, except to the few who are judge, jury, and executioner and who are prepared to give shit "back" and just don't know when or perhaps how to stop.

DB

DingoZ

28th April 2008, 17:30

So who decides what is shit, or what is worthwhile ? We are all just making our own opinion known, and there is never anything wrong with that, except to the few who are judge, jury, and executioner and who are prepared to give shit "back" and just don't know when or perhaps how to stop.

DB

Could not agree more, on who decides a post is shit. But sometimes it is blaringly obvious, that the post has absolutely no merit whatsoever. As a figure of speech, I guess you could call it shit, or varying other names, drivel, worthless waste of characters on a screen, etc, etc. But in the end it is certainly down to individual interpretation, and each of us has our own unique tolerance for these things... Some just have their bullshitometer set to a different level to others. And then some don't even care. Which is all good, as you can never please everyone. Just some of them some of the time...:)

Mikkel

28th April 2008, 18:09

Comments about KB have prompted me to forward this vid as a prospective theme song.......I think you get the idea!

Wanking beats rape any day of the week :yes:
And when you get bored of that you can always spank the monkey (http://www.joecartoon.com/cartoons/147-monkey_looker).

Could not agree more, on who decides a post is shit. But sometimes it is blaringly obvious, that the post has absolutely no merit whatsoever. As a figure of speech, I guess you could call it shit, or varying other names, drivel, worthless waste of characters on a screen, etc, etc. But in the end it is certainly down to individual interpretation, and each of us has our own unique tolerance for these things... Some just have their bullshitometer set to a different level to others. And then some don't even care. Which is all good, as you can never please everyone. Just some of them some of the time...:)

A lot of the pointless drivel - while not helpful or even meaningful sometimes - adds character to the site IMHO. Alas, we can not possibly all provide helpful advice and great insights all the time.
I'm happy to settle for friendly bullshit and pointless drivel 50% of the time. :yes:

DingoZ

28th April 2008, 18:20

Wanking beats rape any day of the week :yes:
And when you get bored of that you can always spank the monkey (http://www.joecartoon.com/cartoons/147-monkey_looker).

A lot of the pointless drivel - while not helpful or even meaningful sometimes - adds character to the site IMHO. Alas, we can not possibly all provide helpful advice and great insights all the time.
I'm happy to settle for friendly bullshit and pointless drivel 50% of the time. :yes:

And that is what makes it a good site. You can hang shite on ya mates. You can help others out with advice. You can have a good old rant and rave about just about anything you like. And you said it above "FRIENDLY BULLSHIT", it's when it starts getting personal and nasty and crosses a line in the internet sand that brings the tone down a bit...

mowgli

28th April 2008, 18:25

The Stranger

28th April 2008, 18:35

they both turned around in disgust and warned me to stay away from the ATNR as it's "full of hoons and idiots".

Ah, my reputation preceeds me.

The Stranger

28th April 2008, 18:39

ATNR Asymmetrical Tonic Neck Reflex. :argue: Yep I'd stay away too. Sounds dangerouse

Skyryder

Best you do stay away, I'm sure you would find it very scarey.

Edbear

28th April 2008, 18:43

I'm always surprised how many bikers have never heard of kiwibiker.co.nz. I every case I recommend that individual checks it out. Haven't had anyone come back to tell me I'd wasted their time. Don't expect to either :)

Perzackly my experience too! I always ask the question, (as innocently and tactfully as I can..:rolleyes:), but rarely find a biker from KB! Always recommend they check it out, though!
:niceone:

Mikkel

28th April 2008, 19:09

And you said it above "FRIENDLY BULLSHIT", it's when it starts getting personal and nasty and crosses a line in the internet sand that brings the tone down a bit...

:yes: Exactemon! :yes:
Which was also the kinda the point behind the "wanking beats rape" comment btw.

nivram

30th April 2008, 10:27

Whats Kiwibiker?

Str8 Jacket

30th April 2008, 10:31

Whats Kiwibiker?

Well it's definately not a democracy, or a club or a gang.

For the record I really dont give a toss what people think about KB. Like in the "real" world there are good people and there are dickheads. If it werent for KB I wouldnt be where I am today and I dont think I would be so happy. I dont tell everyone about KB but I certainly dont diss it either.

Trudes

30th April 2008, 14:57

cowboyz

30th April 2008, 17:27

Well it's definately not a democracy, or a club or a gang.

For the record I really dont give a toss what people think about KB. Like in the "real" world there are good people and there are dickheads. If it werent for KB I wouldnt be where I am today and I dont think I would be so happy. I dont tell everyone about KB but I certainly dont diss it either.

I agree about the democracy and gang, but not club.

I do see the forum as a club. It has been said that the main difference between this forum and other internet forums is how this one spills out into real world experiences. That is what makes it so interesting. I wouldnt have alot of the friends I have today if it wasnt for kiwibiker. Wouldnt have as many enemies either BTW.

Str8 Jacket

30th April 2008, 18:24

I agree about the democracy and gang, but not club.

I do see the forum as a club. It has been said that the main difference between this forum and other internet forums is how this one spills out into real world experiences. That is what makes it so interesting. I wouldnt have alot of the friends I have today if it wasnt for kiwibiker. Wouldnt have as many enemies either BTW.

Im just quoting what Spankme says.

As for the enemies, I say, if you're not my mate and/or if you dont have a positive impact on my life then I really dont give a flying f*ck what people think of me. Worry, hatred, negativity etc are all a waste of time and breathe. Id rather be riding!