So how many of you bothered to get up and honour the ANZACs this morning?

[firefighter]

Just wondering how many of you used this day as a sleep in day instead of what it was intended for?

[Gubb]

I slept in, but I also read my Granddad's manuscript that he wrote before he died. Got all of his war stories in there. Pretty poignant read.

[firefighter]

I slept in, but I also read my Granddad's manuscript that he wrote before he died. Got all of his war stories in there. Pretty poignant read.

wow I imagine theres some interesting things in there!maybe if there's a short one in there and you dont mind you could share one?

[avgas]

i was haunted by ghosts - bastards set my alarm to 0430 and 0530 and my phone was in the other room of the house. So twice i got up turned off the phone and went back to sleep.
So in hindsight i should have gone to a ceremony - but its just too commercial these days. And it almost doesn't mean anything now.
When i was younger we used to get up at 4, go grab a 10kg river stone and carry it up to the top of the nearest hill.
Somehow getting up at 5am, driving (your Audi) to 'her majesty's local yacht club and sipping a starbucks doesn't seem to commemorate as well.

[Maha]

I did not sleep in, I instead had things to do before we ride off to Taupo this afternoon. However, Mom has gone out to Leigh to play the Last Post for the old boys out there, she does it every years for them and loves it when she sees tears in thiers eyes (in a good way) I guess the old boys momentarily feel the passion in that tune as they remember thier mates.

[Gubb]

His Gallipoli story was pretty..... moving. He spent some time in North Africa too.

I would share them, but I don't have a scanner, and it's a lot to type out. Saw his best mate from Wanganui (they joined, trained, fought together) die right beside him.

I've never been interested in joining the Armed Forces (my brother has though) but reading something like that certainly hit home with me about the sacrifice that was made for us.

[firefighter]

i was haunted by ghosts - bastards set my alarm to 0430 and 0530 and my phone was in the other room of the house. So twice i got up turned off the phone and went back to sleep.
So in hindsight i should have gone to a ceremony - but its just too commercial these days. And it almost doesn't mean anything now.
When i was younger we used to get up at 4, go grab a 10kg river stone and carry it up to the top of the nearest hill.
Somehow getting up at 5am, driving (your Audi) to 'her majesty's local yacht club and sipping a starbucks doesn't seem to commemorate as well.

erm, commercial?well all the old veterans i see crying and collapsing i'd have to say I would disagree with you........i think your mistaking commercialism with large numbers showing respect, i'm actually almost offended i'm in the defence force and to say it doesn't mean anything is bullshit.wtf?! oh yeah, go to an actual parade not startbucks?!

[Highlander]

Though would have gone to Dawn Service if I thought I could still get to work on time, or if I had the day off.

[SpeedyGirl]

Up at 5.30 this morning and went as I do every year! Would not miss it for anything.. its a small thing I can to to honour the memory of my Uncle.

[scumdog]

I've never been interested in joining the Armed Forces (my brother has though) but reading something like that certainly hit home with me about the sacrifice that was made for us.

A shame all the freedom saved is being wasted on the present generation (and others) who take it for granted....those who made the sacrifice will be spinning in their graves.

[Drew]

A shame all the freedom saved is being wasted on the present generation (and others) who take it for granted....those who made the sacrifice will be spinning in their graves.

I dont agree, those who fought for our freedom would be lying in peace knowing we have said freedom.

I dont have any reason for not going to the dawn parade, other than the fact that no war should ever have happened. We are one friggin species after all, race is irrelevent, why the need to fight over who is in charge?

Greed is pretty much the heart of it all, and although we are all driven by it to a degree, those with obvious lust for power at all cost should just be tagged as such and not let into positions of authority.

I know it aint quite so simple, but it doesn't have to be impossible.

[Gubb]

A shame all the freedom saved is being wasted on the present generation (and others) who take it for granted....those who made the sacrifice will be spinning in their graves.

I'm 24, and I certainly don't feel that way. Sure, I get complacent every now and then, but there's usually at least 4 different times a year (certain people's birthdays, Anzac Day etc) when it all comes crashing home. It makes me realise that if it wasn't for my grandparents, and their dedication, then I have no idea what kind of world I would e living in.

It's not the entire generation, just a few mis-guided souls. Some just lack the understanding of what really went on, and why.

[firefighter]

I dont agree, those who fought for our freedom would be lying in peace knowing we have said freedom.

I dont have any reason for not going to the dawn parade, other than the fact that no war should ever have happened. We are one friggin species after all, race is irrelevent, why the need to fight over who is in charge?

Greed is pretty much the heart of it all, and although we are all driven by it to a degree, those with obvious lust for power at all cost should just be tagged as such and not let into positions of authority.

I know it aint quite so simple, but it doesn't have to be impossible.

Hmmmm, I don't think greed had anything to do with WW1 and WW2...... you may be a little uneducated on what they were about? I won't comment on any after then as this thread is about ANZAC day remmeberance nothing else......it's about them so make sure you don't try and hiijack this thread with any anti-war stuff please.

[headlesschicken]

where's the "I didn't sleep in but had to be up well before the crack of dawn to milk cows anyway" option?:blink:

[Virago]

...but its just too commercial these days...Somehow getting up at 5am, driving (your Audi) to 'her majesty's local yacht club and sipping a starbucks doesn't seem to commemorate as well.

It's a shame that you choose to look at it that way. After all, the event is what you make it.

Commercialism may be there for those who seek it out. But by far the vast majority of attendees at the Dawn Services take no part in any commercial activity. As it should be.

[firefighter]

where's the "I didn't sleep in but had to be up well before the crack of dawn to milk cows anyway" option?:blink:

Yeah i'm at work too, in hind-sight i'd have chucked in a "couldn't due to work" bit but too late now!

[Marknz]

its just too commercial these days

WTF!!

The only commercialism I see is in you having to donate a single gold coin for a poppy to support those that have served and their families.

There was a hint of commercialism this morning at the Cenotaph in Wgtn, until I realised that Cafe L'Affare (sp?) were giving away free coffee to anyone and everyone that chose to partake. Good on them :2thumbsup:clap:

[firefighter]

WTF!!

The only commercialism I see is in you having to donate a single gold coin for a poppy to support those that have served and their families.

There was a hint of commercialism this morning at the Cenotaph in Wgtn, until I realised that Cafe L'Affare (sp?) were giving away free coffee to anyone and everyone that chose to partake. Good on them :2thumbsup:clap:

even so that coin goes to the RSA's anyway..

[Marknz]

even so that coin goes to the RSA's anyway..

for sure, and that is a good thing. I wasn't suggesting otherwise.

[Babelfish]

I respect my Grandfathers generation and their sacrifice, but anyone trying to tell me I'm a lesser person because they didnt see me at their Anzac parade can get fucked. Mightier than thou mo fos. I respect people in my way, and remember history in a fashion that fits my life, rather than hangin aobut with a bunch of dog food smelling pensioners (or aging grumpy policemen bringing out the bully boy part of their existence). :girlfight:

Nice day though eh? Might go fishing with my grandma :2thumbsup

[Taz]

Did the march to the cenotaph in Waiuku as we do every year. My girls scout group marches and we tag along.

[kburgess]

I respect my Grandfathers generation and their sacrifice, but anyone trying to tell me I'm a lesser person because they didnt see me at their Anzac parade can get fucked. Mightier than thou mo fos. I respect people in my way, and remember history in a fashion that fits my life, rather than hangin aobut with a bunch of dog food smelling pensioners (or aging grumpy policemen bringing out the bully boy part of their existence). :girlfight:...


Do you think it fitted there life to go to war and die? I certainly dont think so and how grown up of you to call people that have made the effort to get up and attend "mo fos" you have summed up the type of person you are in one post good one. one day you might be able to see past the end of your own nose and see the whole picture.:Oi:

[Babelfish]

Do you think it fitted there life to go to war and die? I certainly dont think so and how grown up of you to call people that have made the effort to get up and attend "mo fos" you have summed up the type of person you are in one post good one. one day you might be able to see past the end of your own nose and see the whole picture.:Oi:


Nice one :clap: Did that take a while to muster? Hang on while I take up my best black woman persona...."you dont know me!" (cue finger click from side to side)....and if you do know me in that one post, you're a genius...can you tell me where I left my keys?

How right of you to reply in such a fashion, well done you right and just person you. :drool:

[terbang]

Its all about boundaries, boundaries in ideals and culture rather than lines on maps. Its what makes people different. That's why they went to war, to keep the boundaries where they were and to keep those that had different ideals, and were wanting to impose them upon us, away. The preserverence of their way of life for themselves, and more importantly, for those yet to come.
Sitting in a cafe this morning in Tairua listening to the radio commemoration of the ANZACs, it was poignant though not important any more, to listen to a German couple sitting opposite us speaking very loudly and respectfully in Deutsch about the sacrifice that soldiers make.
Proof that over time, boundaries and ideals have changed. Whether the change is right or wrong is not what ANZAC is about. That is life. But lets not forget those who put their lives on the line, to give us the opportunity to manage our boundaries as we so wish...

[98tls]

Slept in and went to the 10 oclock service here.Fwiw i tend to agree with SD in that so many gave everything for our freedom and look at the place now.

[Highlander]

...
Sitting in a cafe this morning in Tairua listening to the radio commemoration of the ANZACs, it was poignant though not important any more, to listen to a German couple sitting opposite us speaking very loudly and respectfully in Deutsch about the sacrifice that soldiers make....

Also a reminder that there are at least two sides to any agument, and in this case suffering on both sides.

[Babelfish]

Its all about boundaries, boundaries in ideals and culture rather than lines on maps. Its what makes people different. That's why they went to war, to keep the boundaries where they were and to keep those that had different ideals, and were wanting to impose them upon us, away. The preserverence of their way of life for themselves, and more importantly, for those yet to come.
Sitting in a cafe this morning in Tairua listening to the radio commemoration of the ANZACs, it was poignant though not important any more, to listen to a German couple sitting opposite us speaking very loudly and respectfully in Deutsch about the sacrifice that soldiers make.
Proof that over time, boundaries and ideals have changed. Whether the change is right or wrong is not what ANZAC is about. That is life. But lets not forget those who put their lives on the line, to give us the opportunity to manage our boundaries as we so wish...


I actually just found out the next door neighbor's fence is 150mm on my side of the boundary...and they're Dutch...fucking coincidence or what?

It was just a war, time a build a bridge me thinks. I dont understand what went through my Grandads head as he enlisted, but I have spent many hours (actually probably days) trying to and asking less questions than he has answers for. It will happen again, and the same mentality will arise and many years from now another smart arse on a forum can be flamed for his perceived lack of respect for those fallen.

I used to attend the dawn parades passionately, and still hold silent on hearing the last post, reminiscing said stories of my grandfather. However views change, life goes on and we evolve....and some dutch cunt can't build a proper fence in the right place :crazy:

[98tls]

Fwiw one could resent the English as much as the Germans etc for the death of Anzacs in the first world war.

[Babelfish]

Fwiw one could resent the English as much as the Germans etc for the death of Anzacs in the first world war.

Yeah...rotten bastards for wanting to kill so many of their soldiers eh?

Although having read differing accounts, a large amount has been slung around about ignorant commanding officers. While some of the muck should stick, some should not.

And, all joking aside, how should such a time...neigh, such a forum abound with such resentment. Boo hiss.

[flyingcrocodile46]

I went to pay my respects and show appreciation (at a ceremony) for the first time in about 7 or 8 years... I didn't notice any commercialism but I did take exception to the religious content (I abhor religious hypocrisy and believe that religious institutions feed on the weakest sheep... I believe religion is a disease). The reverend preached understanding and acceptance of other races and creeds but as always.. no mention of the need to understand or be accepting of other religions. (which seems to me to be one of the main point of difference that is used by the unscrupulous to fuel wars).

I shall not go again and will find my own way to pay my respects to those brave and unselfish men who's lives were lost.

[98tls]

Yeah...rotten bastards for wanting to kill so many of their soldiers eh?

Although having read differing accounts, a large amount has been slung around about ignorant commanding officers. While some of the muck should stick, some should not.

And, all joking aside, how should such a time...neigh, such a forum abound with such resentment. Boo hiss. Theres many accounts been written on the British attitude to soldiers from the colonies and on such a day in such a thread it seems appropriate,ive sat in the odd RSA on Anzac day over the years and listened to a few of them talk of it.

[Babelfish]

I shall not go again and will find my own way to pay my respects to those brave and unselfish men who's lives were lost.

Here,here.

[Babelfish]

Theres many accounts been written on the British attitude to soldiers from the colonies and on such a day in such a thread it seems appropriate,ive sat in the odd RSA on Anzac day over the years and listened to a few of them talk of it.

I've sat in a few smoko rooms and listened to how much the boss is a wanker too.

You're right of course..;)..and wrong. Without understanding the ultimate strategy of historical moments, nor putting yourself in the position of, say, a 1916 soldier in the Somme, it's hard to take a harsh line against an entire race.

Were there blunders? Of course. Where there moments of utter stupidity? Of course. And there continues to be so. That's war...fucker isn't it.

[Grub]

A shame all the freedom saved is being wasted on the present generation (and others) .

Hmmm, not sure about that either. I have lived in a generation without war involving this country and its people. In part I believe that is as a result of lessons learned and the sacrifices made in WWI and WWII. It's a good reason to participate and honour them.

Yes we have officially participated in Korea and Vietnam and unofficially I'm sure that Afghanistan and Iraq have seen SAS actions but we have largely learned to stay away from other people's skirmishes, we have learned that the cost is too high.

[Slingshot]

A shame all the freedom saved is being wasted on the present generation (and others) who take it for granted....those who made the sacrifice will be spinning in their graves.
Thank you oh master of all things for telling us all (we're all the "present" generation) that we're wasting our freedom. Do tell us how we should be using our freedom oh mighty one.
***Why isn't there a "You're a COCK" smiley?***


Commercialism may be there for those who seek it out. But by far the vast majority of attendees at the Dawn Services take no part in any commercial activity. As it should be.If you want to see commercialism on ANZAC day, then look no further than the Turks at ANZAC cove.

[Disco Dan]

Was there something on today?

I just thought it was a public holiday that if worked gave me time and a half?

[98tls]

Thank you oh master of all things for telling us all (we're all the "present" generation) that we're wasting our freedom. Do tell us how we should be using our freedom oh mighty one.
***Why isn't there a "You're a COCK" smiley?***

Buy a paper or watch the news on any given day and you may understand what he means.

[Babelfish]

I'd agree with Slingshot...its a cocky comment encompassing too many people. Today is a day of self reflection, not flaming people because they seem to be wasting your own values.

And seriously, why isn't there a "You're a cock" smiley

[98tls]

I'd agree with Slingshot...its a cocky comment encompassing too many people. Today is a day of self reflection, not flaming people because they seem to be wasting your own values.

And seriously, why isn't there a "You're a cock" smiley Actually today has nothing to do with you at all nor is whatever your "self reflecting on relevant.

[Babelfish]

Actually today has nothing to do with you at all nor is whatever your "self reflecting on relevant.

Actually I think you'll find it is. Its all to do with me. Its my perception of the ANZACs, nobody else's and I'll spend the day the way in which I want to spend it. In doing so, I make future decisions based on my own contemplations of such events. If its to do with more than one person, its to do with all of us, and its bullshit comments about how some people are more worthy than others on a day like today that makes me not want to attend said dog food smelling gatherings.

[zaq]

i was haunted by ghosts - bastards set my alarm to 0430 and 0530 and my phone was in the other room of the house. So twice i got up turned off the phone and went back to sleep.
So in hindsight i should have gone to a ceremony - but its just too commercial these days. And it almost doesn't mean anything now.
When i was younger we used to get up at 4, go grab a 10kg river stone and carry it up to the top of the nearest hill.
Somehow getting up at 5am, driving (your Audi) to 'her majesty's local yacht club and sipping a starbucks doesn't seem to commemorate as well.

I attended the ceremony at the Auckland Museum. It was simple and to the point. The thousands of folks who attended, young and old, will agree.

You must be on another planet....

[98tls]

Actually I think you'll find it is. Its all to do with me. Its my perception of the ANZACs, nobody else's and I'll spend the day the way in which I want to spend it. In doing so, I make future decisions based on my own contemplations of such events. If its to do with more than one person, its to do with all of us, and its bullshit comments about how some people are more worthy than others on a day like today that makes me not want to attend said dog food smelling gatherings. By all means do want you want,for me perception has nothing to do with it,we all know what Anzac stands for and what they did.Your comments remind me of the gathering of "i want" brigade with there grandfathers medals who feel its there right to march alongside those that actually did something.

[Trudes]

I was awake at about 6am, lay in bed and honored the ANZACs and all the brave soldiers and other people who've done their duties during war time and also all the innocent victims of war, silently in my own thoughts. I also had a thoughtful and reflecting moment for my Granddad (Poppa), who was the most gentle kind soul, and whom I miss dearly. Then I got up at 7 and went for a ride with my hubby and enjoyed the chilly fresh air, the sun, the breeze and my freedom. And that's how I gave thanks and remembered.

[Babelfish]

Your comments remind me of the gathering of "i want" brigade with there grandfathers medals who feel its there right to march alongside those that actually did something.

Thanks for proving my point. Your comment might as well read "Only proper people need apply".

I wouldnt march. It isnt my place to. I dont have my grandfathers medals, but I do have his khukri. He is still alive, and he gave me this understanding that I respected his toils.

To my mind, if someone wants to head down and march alongside those that "did something" then they should. People should be able to spend this day in whatever fashion they like, be it an obvious show of passion, or quiet reflection, or not giving a toss.

The whole question of "what are you doing" to my mind either means "are you as just as I" or "I guilty for doing fuck all". Those that actually are just in their dealing with Anzac day would have no need to ask a question of someone else.

[Firefight]

had to work today,


we took time out this morning at our briefing to remember...



missed having breakfast at the RSA with my dad this year..



seems each year more and more young people at the dawn services..



F/F

[98tls]

Thanks for proving my point. Your comment might as well read "Only proper people need apply".

I wouldnt march. It isnt my place to. I dont have my grandfathers medals, but I do have his khukri. He is still alive, and he gave me this understanding that I respected his toils.

To my mind, if someone wants to head down and march alongside those that "did something" then they should. People should be able to spend this day in whatever fashion they like, be it an obvious show of passion, or quiet reflection, or not giving a toss.

The whole question of "what are you doing" to my mind either means "are you as just as I" or "I guilty for doing fuck all". Those that actually are just in their dealing with Anzac day would have no need to ask a question of someone else. OK fair call,i to have some personal stuff passed down although as my family is German its origins are from the other side of the fence,the results the same,my point was they feel they have every right to march alongside,the guys that were there have made there feelings on the subject plain enough and thats not what they want,why not respect what they want as as long as theres one alive that was actually there put those that want to honour there fallen family members (and good on them for doing so) behind them.Typical attitude of people today "iwant so i deserve it".

[scumdog]

where's the "I didn't sleep in but had to be up well before the crack of dawn to milk cows anyway" option?:blink:

Right there with the "I worked until midnight but got up at 6am for the ANZAC parade etc and then started work again at 1pm and have just now at 9:30 finished for another 8 hours until I go on call" option:devil2:

[rachprice]

Yep got up at 5am, did the walk/ceremony then had a mint breakfast at the rsa. Always go and continue to go for probably the rest of my life. Respect is undervalued these days!

[R6_kid]

Myself and Miss.L were up at 4.30am in order to get to the Cenotaph at Auckland Museum for ceremony there... will go earlier next year so we actually get to see the ceremony, but it's being there and showing you're respect that really counts.

[Timber020]

Its the one time of year I dont feel bad that my bike might wake the neighbours at 5.20 in the morning.

You get a whole day off for this and theres a 95% chance at least one member of your family served during one of the many wars in the last 100 years. Everything you have is because of there sacrifice.

It aint much to get up and go to dawn service, show the few vetrans left that all they went through and all they gave us is appreciated.

As I said, it aint much, but it means alot.

[howdamnhard]

I worked today as I have for every public holiday this year and last.Planes never rest.

[Babelfish]

OK fair call,i to have some personal stuff passed down although as my family is German its origins are from the other side of the fence,the results the same,my point was they feel they have every right to march alongside,the guys that were there have made there feelings on the subject plain enough and thats not what they want,why not respect what they want as as long as theres one alive that was actually there put those that want to honour there fallen family members (and good on them for doing so) behind them.Typical attitude of people today "iwant so i deserve it".
On this I agree.


Right there with the "I worked until midnight but got up at 6am for the ANZAC parade etc and then started work again at 1pm and have just now at 9:30 finished for another 8 hours until I go on call" option:devil2:

Not really work though is it? :Pokey:

[FJRider]

A shame all the freedom saved is being wasted on the present generation (and others) who take it for granted....those who made the sacrifice will be spinning in their graves.

FREEDOM is something that, untill we don't have it any more, NO ONE /FEW will realise its true value. Even sadder, the bill for said freedom is STILL being paid. Even sadder than THAT, those that wish to, have the freedom to waste it if they choose.

[Nagash]

Well I got up at 6am to go to work as a chef at a cafe to serve all the commomerators (sp?) breakfast.

Was a very busy day.. But was worth it!

Though i'm German so err.. I just sorta stepped back from the event.

[peasea]

Just wondering how many of you used this day as a sleep in day instead of what it was intended for?

I remember the fighters in my family every day, April 25 is no different. My grandfather was gassed in the trenches in WWI, my father was at Normandy, in the Pacific Fleet and on Russian convoys to Mermansk in WWII.

For the record we did go to a service.

One day a year is not enough. We should think about the sacrifices made in the past at every dawn.

[Skyryder]

I've just finished watching the Crusaders and Blues game. Nice touch those two poppies painted on the field...........showed respect for the day.

Skyryder

[FJRider]

I remember the fighters in my family every day, April 25 is no different. My grandfather was gassed in the trenches in WWI, my father was at Normandy, in the Pacific Fleet and on Russian convoys to Mermansk in WWII.

For the record we did go to a service.

One day a year is not enough. We should think about the sacrifices made in the past at every dawn.

I went to the local one too. Good thoughts, but MOST will vote for the sleep in though.

[FJRider]

I've just finished watching the Crusaders and Blues game. Nice touch those two poppies painted on the field...........showed respect for the day.

Skyryder

If they had showed respect for the day, they wouldn't have played. Just another day of work for them.

[Skyryder]

If they had showed respect for the day, they wouldn't have played. Just another day of work for them.

So your team lost??


Skyyrder

[scumdog]

Not really work though is it? :Pokey:

Gotta admit the parade isn't 'work'.
But the rest is.:(

But my post was in reponse to headlesschickens post.

[Babelfish]

Gotta admit the parade isn't 'work'.
But the rest is.:(

But my post was in reponse to headlesschickens post.

Yeah, pieced it all together eventually, my bad (and the unfortunate plight of a fast typing smart arse).

This has been quite a good post and raised a lot of thought...which I feel is the point of Anzac day. If everyone thinks about it, and what it means, and who it contains, then that is all that can be asked.

[FJRider]

So your team lost??


Skyyrder

We support TWO teams down here... OTAGO and anyone playing AUCKLAND.
Being a holiday, did they both get time and a half, and a day in leiu ???

[Skyryder]

We support TWO teams down here... OTAGO and anyone playing AUCKLAND.
Being a holiday, did they both get time and a half, and a day in leiu ???


Well we got something common but a different team. Interesting point you raise. Still I thought the poppies on the field said something.


Skyryder

[Rogue]

Got up at 4:30am and went hunting

Great to be able to have the freedom of choice isn"t it

[FJRider]

Got up at 4:30am and went hunting

Great to be able to have the freedom of choice isn"t it

It is. Just remember how you come to have it.

[young1]

Friday morning found me with 5 other Kiwi's and 4 Aussies in Phukding (this is on the trail to Everest Base Camp in Nepal).

We all gathered together before we started the walk for the day and read out the "Lest we forget poem" that we had all brainstormed the night before over cards to try and get the words right.

We will remember them.

[Lissa]

I woke up at 5am. I usually go to the dawn service with my dad, but as he is unwell my mum took his place. Watched the old and young solders lined up, and the drum beating as they made there way to the war memorial in the park. As someone read out 'Flanders Field' and other poems (which I must get the name of) two old vintage airplanes made two flybys over the crowd.

As we pasted the cemetery there was a lingering mist surrounding the old gravestones of the departed solders... might sound over dramatic, but it is always that way each Anzac Day. I have relatives who lost limbs and their lives in the war, my grandad was in the army during WW1. Even more distant I had relatives who were in the battle of Trafalgar (Captain), another who died during the Indian mutiny of 1857 in which I have copies of his letters to home. It is a day of mourning, the least I could do is get up early.

[HenryDorsetCase]

my personal view is that you should not be eligible to vote unless you own land, AND have either served the country (in a meaningful way) or attend the ANZAC day dawn service. Yes, I was there. No its not commercial. It is the one day a year when we can forget what divides us as New Zealanders, and remember what unites us.

[Lias]

I went, and took my 3 young ones with me (voluntarily, I didnt drag them kicking and screaming)

Was very proud of my girls as they sat quietly and silently during the service whilst some other kids were in dire need of whats been outlawed recently.

[glice]

I was riding, but was thinking about the anzacs