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James Deuce
18th December 2004, 07:16
http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/4005020/detail.html

jrandom
18th December 2004, 07:24
Not the first time that's happened in the good ol' USA. Don't remember precise details of other cases, but this one's no precedent.

Skunk
18th December 2004, 07:41
America - land of the free.

"I have my rights"

:kick:

mangell6
18th December 2004, 12:18
America - land of the free.

"I have my rights"

:kick:

And absolutely NO RESPONSIBILITIES!!!!

MSTRS
18th December 2004, 15:43
And absolutely NO RESPONSIBILITIES!!!!
And the stats used to say we were 30yrs behind the States. God help us if that's what's coming here :eek5: cos we got some pretty bad shit happening now

Blakamin
19th December 2004, 08:42
words fail me

Ms Piggy
19th December 2004, 09:04
I read this when you 1st posted it and have had it flitting through my head on and off. The thought that came to mind was - how can a baby stolen in such a revolting act of violence be with people capable of loving??

James Deuce
19th December 2004, 09:07
I read this when you 1st posted it and have had it flitting through my head on and off. The thought that came to mind was - how can a baby stolen in such a revolting act of violence be with people capable of loving??

It'll be sold to people that will love it.

avgas
19th December 2004, 10:04
even death penalty is not suvicient justice.
i just dont know what else to say. If i could kill them 1000 times i might feel happier. Mabey remove anything they care about, anything they have loved - piece by piece. Till they are crushed, then remove all theyre limbs. Then leave them to bleed slowly to death telling them that after they die nothing good will happen to them.
Then i might feel happy

MSTRS
19th December 2004, 10:07
even death penalty is not suvicient justice.
i just dont know what else to say. If i could kill them 1000 times i might feel happier. Mabey remove anything they care about, anything they have loved - piece by piece. Till they are crushed, then remove all theyre limbs. Then leave them to bleed slowly to death telling them that after they die nothing good will happen to them.
Then i might feel happy
Are you not into retribution? That's too kind by half.

Joni
19th December 2004, 10:17
Jim when you wrote this thread I decided not to read it as I knew it would upset me.... but no... ass hole had to go against her decision and read it anyway today!!... And yes it did upset me, I dont even know what to say, in fact there is nothing to say, if I did I would have to edit it later.

Coyote
19th December 2004, 10:23
USA! USA! USA!

Join in Madcat

USA! USA! USA!

Paul in NZ
19th December 2004, 10:51
If this story is true (sorry - but an alarming number of these turn out to be slightly less than true) I don't think that it's fair to lay this at the feet of the USA as a country.

Given a sufficient population there will be enough sickos to do anything and everything you can dream of.... And we are not talking nice dreams here ok! We are talking dark ones....

Remember the guy in Russia that killed and ate scores of people? Yikes!

If it happens in the USA there will be a reporter there in 5 seconds, a news camera in 10 and it will probably appear on the internet before it happened.

I also cannot wonder if we are all a little to blame or if there is a dark little place inside us all that has a wierd desire to read about this stuff and it's just some people cannot draw the lines between fantasy and reality. I don't know the details but is there somew movie called SAW out there at the moment that is pretty disturbing. What about 'The Bone Collector' and all the slasher flicks??

Anyway... Quote of the article was delivered by officer Espey who said...

"Someone was wanting a baby awful bad,"

Fark!

If it's true - Find them and exterminate them and their blood relatives.

James Deuce
19th December 2004, 11:14
If this story is true (sorry - but an alarming number of these turn out to be slightly less than true) I don't think that it's fair to lay this at the feet of the USA as a country.



It unfortunately is, and has been in the mainstream press for a few days now. They had pictures of the woman and her husband on telly last night.

Had to turn it off.

Sorry Joni.

Ms Piggy
19th December 2004, 14:18
It'll be sold to people that will love it.
Oh yeah - of course :(

sels1
19th December 2004, 14:44
If it's true - Find them and exterminate them and their blood relatives.

Thats certainly one gene pool that could do with more clorine

Ghost Lemur
19th December 2004, 15:31
Are you guys seriously suggesting that Murder is genetic?

Shit, nobody told me we were in the 17th century.

"Build the bonfire ma, we's having a bbq tonight, round 'em all up, one of 'em did it so they's all can pay".

Would seriously laugh if one of you turned out to be a distant relative of the perpertrator. Would you commit suicide then? Kill you wife/husband and kids? Remember gotta take out the whole lot...

Jackrat
19th December 2004, 15:39
If this story is true (sorry - but an alarming number of these turn out to be slightly less than true) I don't think that it's fair to lay this at the feet of the USA as a country.

Given a sufficient population there will be enough sickos to do anything and everything you can dream of.... And we are not talking nice dreams here ok! We are talking dark ones....

Remember the guy in Russia that killed and ate scores of people? Yikes!

If it happens in the USA there will be a reporter there in 5 seconds, a news camera in 10 and it will probably appear on the internet before it happened.

I also cannot wonder if we are all a little to blame or if there is a dark little place inside us all that has a wierd desire to read about this stuff and it's just some people cannot draw the lines between fantasy and reality. I don't know the details but is there somew movie called SAW out there at the moment that is pretty disturbing. What about 'The Bone Collector' and all the slasher flicks??

Anyway... Quote of the article was delivered by officer Espey who said...

"Someone was wanting a baby awful bad,"

Fark!

If it's true - Find them and exterminate them and their blood relatives.

Have to agree with your comment about laying it at the feet of the USA.
We've had a few here that people probably don't like to talk about.
Lizzie Borden comes to mind,then that sick fuck in Palmy a while back that did his wife an dauther with an axe,then gets on national TV doing the whole crying act,not to mention some P freak killing his step dauther because she didn't want to go to school.
Humans have been doing this shit from year dot.
People that live in glass houses aye!! :rolleyes:

James Deuce
19th December 2004, 15:46
Have to agree with your comment about laying it at the feet of the USA.
We've had a few here that people probably don't like to talk about.
Lizzie Borden comes to mind,then that sick fuck in Palmy a while back that did his wife an dauther with an axe,then gets on national TV doing the whole crying act,not to mention some P freak killing his step dauther because she didn't want to go to school.
Humans have been doing this shit from year dot.
People that live in glass houses aye!! :rolleyes:

I'm talking about the attitude that Mangell is talking about.

Hitcher
19th December 2004, 15:47
Thats certainly one gene pool that could do with more clorine
And piranha.

SPORK
19th December 2004, 23:37
That's just really sick. Some people are so messed up, they don't know what is reality any more. I refuse to play really twisted games such as Manhunt because of what I fear they may turn me into. I do play plenty of violent games, but some things just go far beyond the line.

How can one human do that to another? Surely their inbuilt Don'tKillAnyone senses must work, even a little! There is a reason people are naturally squemish to blood, guts and whatnot. All I know is that I sure as hell don't want to be immune to that sort of stuff, coz when you are, you, and everyone around you is in trouble...

Oh, and Daniel:

USA! USA! USA!

And PS: Watch "Outfoxed". It's a documentry about how Fox News isn't a news station , it's a properganda machine.

jrandom
20th December 2004, 06:14
That's just really sick. Some people are so messed up, they don't know what is reality any more. I refuse to play really twisted games such as Manhunt because of what I fear they may turn me into. I do play plenty of violent games, but some things just go far beyond the line.

Mmmph. I've been known to play violent video games, and I've never hurt another person in my life. Not since intermediate school or so, anyway.

I realise that proves nothing, but I think that adults have the capability to distinguish between reality and fantasy, and make choices about their actions. Children, less so.

Although I should admit to regularly winning the "most likely to snap and shoot all the project managers on a Monday morning" award at work. But I'm quite aware of the reality of that choice ;)


Surely their inbuilt Don'tKillAnyone senses must work, even a little!

No such thing. Altruism and squeamishness are entirely the result of social conditioning, and can be conditioned right back out of people with the appropriate inputs.

And most children, before their mid-teens or so, have not completed their conditioning. Hence the observable fact that in unsupervised groups they very rarely exhibit those qualities, and rather degenerate into very primal behaviour.

Ref. Lord of the Flies, etc.

Paul in NZ
20th December 2004, 07:46
Bloody Nora... This just gets worse...

"Agents who made the arrest said Montgomery had told her husband, Kevin, that she had unexpectedly given birth.

"She had ... called her husband, we allege in the complaint, and told him that she had a baby in Topeka," Todd Graves, US District Attorney for Western Missouri, told ABC's "Good Morning America.

"She was at Long John Silver's (restaurant) in Topeka, he should come and meet her. He went to meet her; there was a baby; they took it home."

For goodnes sake! He believed her?? Far out! Make some more room in the gas chamber guys. We got a live one.....

Paul N

Paul in NZ
20th December 2004, 08:10
Ah yes...

Then she showed the baby to her Pastor.... Hmmmm!

Paul N

Ghost Lemur
20th December 2004, 12:46
Read the article too.

Paul would you believe Vicky?

I hear you saying "but Vicky wouldn't do something like this..."

Bet her husband (in a state of shock) is saying the same thing. At this stage it looks like she was pregnant at sometime (or at least everyone thought she was), and the baby was due in December.

Going back to my question which none of you "kill 'em all" advocates have yet answered. Even better illustrated with what we now know. Sould the husband and teenage children be exterminated, to help clense this precious gene pool you mention?

Biff
20th December 2004, 13:35
Sould the husband and teenage children be exterminated, to help clense this precious gene pool you mention?

If they're anything like as ugly as their mom - hell yeah!

Hitcher
20th December 2004, 13:48
Should the husband and teenage children be exterminated, to help cleanse this precious gene pool you mention?
No. They're probably some lost hominid species that is entitled to protection.

Paul in NZ
20th December 2004, 14:09
I think you are taking my words far too seriously...

In general I'm not all that keen on capital punishment. True, there are some people alive that would be better off dead (hell, we all would be in this case) but there are a lot more people dead that deserve to be alive. When we can do that, perhaps we can consider the other...

However....

I'm sorry but I doubt I would be fooled because I would go to the specialist etc with Vicki etc etc.

However (2)

I once worked with a couple of good ole' boys from the misty hills of Kentucky and.... Yup, I reckons I could have fooled them... Sheesh! A real eye opener...

However (3)

This is not a normal crime... This person is a sick puppy... No, scratch that, this person is the bubonic plagued Ridgeback of sick puppies.. The investigation ought to include those around her. Of course that might infringe on their rights so we can't can we... However, perhaps we can help them?

I dunno....

Don't care... Maybe we could rehabilitate her and relesase her back into society eh? You got a spare bedroom?

Paul N