its a sad end for western springs speedway

[WINJA]

JUST BECAUSE OF A FEW COMPLAINING BASTARDS THE SPEEDWAY IS GONIG TO END ITS 75 YEAR HISTORY. I LIVED IN THE AREA FOR YEARS AND EVEN THOUGH I THINK ITS BORING TO WATCH I STILL THINK THE PEOPLE THAT ENJOY IT HAVE A RIGHT TO CONTINUE TO DO SO.I LIVED REAL CLOSE TO THE TRACK AS A CHILD AND NONE OF MY FRIENDS OR I HAVE BEEN TRAUMATISED BY THE NOISE.THE WESTERN SPRINGS SPEEDWAY CROWD ARE GENERALLY A WELL BEHAVED BUNCH. OUR COUNTRYS GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION PANDERING TO THE VOCAL MINORITY :argh:

[Two Smoker]

Shit yes, i cant believe those fucking wankers wanting it, and getting it closed!!! :angry2: All they fucking want to do is increase their fucking property value :angry2: i can gauruntee that those fuckers havnt been there for 75 years either.....

[MSTRS]

JUST BECAUSE OF A FEW COMPLAINING BASTARDS THE SPEEDWAY IS GONIG TO END ITS 75 YEAR HISTORY. OUR COUNTRYS GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION PANDERING TO THE VOCAL MINORITY :argh:
Does anyone know where they live?????????

[RiderInBlack]

Bloody Awkward-land of cause. First is Puke with a 80db limit, then the V8 super car street race, and Westend Springs. They need to get their f*cken act together and f*cken well get over it. Go buy a place in the country if you cann't handle noise, not a house by a racing f*cken track:brick: Sorry but this really fucks me off:argh:

[WINJA]

Does anyone know where they live?????????

IM SURE IF SOME OF THOSE SPEEDWAY GUYS KNEW THEY WOULD HAVE VISITED THEM ALREADY.I HOPE THE SPEEDWAY GUYS DONT THINK ITS EVERY ONE IN THE AREA THAT DISAPROVES , AS I SAID I THINK THE CARS ARE BORING BUT THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BE THERE, 75 YEARS OF HISTORY IS ON THERE SIDE AND 95% OF THE LOCALS DONT MIND THE RACING, ITS ONLY 20 NIGHTS A YEAR .I FIND THE NEWER BUSES MORE DISTURBING THEY ARE REALLY LOUD , SO WHILE WERE AT IT BAN BUSES, RUGBY, CRICKET,AIR TRAVEL,TRAINS, OPERA IN THE PARK ,FIREWORKS AND ANYTHING OVER 85DB

[MSTRS]

But not motorcycles *please* They are ALL quiet as.........aren't they? I haven't figured out how to reply with two quotes but to that other member re "move to the country" - I was talking to some Masterton people earlier today about this very thing & they tell me Wgtn types move to Wairarapa lifestyle blocks & then complain about the cows being noisy & their shit on the roads. Go figure

[Jackrat]

Bloody Awkward-land of cause. First is Puke with a 80db limit, then the V8 super car street race, and Westend Springs. They need to get their f*cken act together and f*cken well get over it. Go buy a place in the country if you cann't handle noise, not a house by a racing f*cken track:brick: Sorry but this really fucks me off:argh:

Hey their not welcome out here.
They come here,bring their shity city attitudes with them and complain about every bloody thing from cow shit on the road to roosters crowing in the morning,plant huge hedges around their propertys,don't talk to their naibours and drive like fucking idiots.
Them city fuckers can just stay where they are thanks.

Pity about the springs but. :rolleyes:

[Skyryder]

No need to shout just change the font size.

Skyryder

[avgas]

"Now we dont want to see it close, why dont they consider sound deflectors etc?" - Fuck off, springs speedway doesnt make billlions of dollars to invest in that! :brick:
I say lets ban people who complain about stuff unrelated to them

[RiderInBlack]

Hey their not welcome out here.
They come here,bring their shity city attitudes with them and complain about every bloody thing from cow shit on the road to roosters crowing in the morning,plant huge hedges around their propertys,don't talk to their naibours and drive like fucking idiots.
Them city fuckers can just stay where they are thanks.Sorry, your right there Jackrat. I was not thinking (just pissed off). How about we line up all the whiners and:ar15: (sorry just a thought). A MotorX course got closed up here out in the country by one whining lawer who owned an old shed close to the course

[MSTRS]

I say lets ban people who complain about stuff unrelated to them
And politicians.............

[Skyryder]

I say lets ban people who complain about stuff unrelated to them

Good point but there would be no one left.

Skyryder

[guzzi_nz]

:mad: ONE FUCKING NIGHT A WEEK FOR SIX MONTHS :mad:
These guys need to piss offto aust ,the speedway being there 75 years the only one that can complain is any one that has live there 75 years
:mad: THE OTHERS SHUT THE FUCK UP U BOUGHT THE HOUSE KNOWING THE SPEEDWAY IS THERE
if you do get your way hope they PUT A DUMP ON THE SITE :moon:

[avgas]

Good point but there would be no one left.

Skyryder
OK then lets ban stupid complainers

[MSTRS]

Good point but there would be no one left.

Skyryder
I would be, but then I'm the world's only complete mongrel....related to everything (just trying to get my posts up, don't like being a moped rider)

[guzzi_nz]

I would be, but then I'm the world's only complete mongrel....related to everything (just trying to get my posts up, don't like being a moped rider)

:eek5: better than Scooter boy :argh:

[curious george]

Is the decision final then?
I thought it was still in talks...

[MSTRS]

:eek5: better than Scooter boy :argh:
Just (every post helps) :sneaky2:

[FROSTY]

guys just a thought. --Its 35 people that complained innit?
well it seems to me theres a simple solution
Why not offer to double glaze and otherwise sound proof their homes for em.
From the landlords (AC Council) point of view surely this is the economic solution. -dunno maybee im oversimplifying.
Also as I stated in a previous thread the drivers and organisersreally did fuck it for themselves -There was a 95 Dba limit that wasn't enforced or adhered to -sure yep first meeting scrutineering they might scrape bye--they back to the pits and out come most of the disks in the supertrapps
I challenge ANY serious racer to present his car midseason for a DBA check--directly after a race. -Im think more like 120-130DBa
Was Anyone EVER black flagged for excess noise?
BEFORE you lot get pissed at me --I love the springs racing but what I see is all motorsport getting the squeeze

[enigma51]

JUST BECAUSE OF A FEW COMPLAINING BASTARDS THE SPEEDWAY IS GONIG TO END ITS 75 YEAR HISTORY. I LIVED IN THE AREA FOR YEARS AND EVEN THOUGH I THINK ITS BORING TO WATCH I STILL THINK THE PEOPLE THAT ENJOY IT HAVE A RIGHT TO CONTINUE TO DO SO.I LIVED REAL CLOSE TO THE TRACK AS A CHILD AND NONE OF MY FRIENDS OR I HAVE BEEN TRAUMATISED BY THE NOISE.THE WESTERN SPRINGS SPEEDWAY CROWD ARE GENERALLY A WELL BEHAVED BUNCH. OUR COUNTRYS GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION PANDERING TO THE VOCAL MINORITY :argh:

No mate not the country thats going bad its Auckland. :brick:

[justsomeguy]

Don't forget the mucking fedia - these custards love to blow everything out of proportion. They know that NZ is a land of petrol heads and that anything related will get a good audience. Therefore I wonder how far things have progressed.

Anyway.....

Just saw the news at 6. Around FOUR THOUSAND supporters marched today down Gt North Rd - complete with police escort - banners, etc in SUPPORT of the speedway. This just shows how alive and well democracy is in this lovely country.

It's a crying shame that we have this old fart for a mayor - we wouldn't have had the same problems with John Banks aka Mr Ferrari driver. We probably would have even had the V8 street race.

--- And Frosty EXCELLENT suggestion. But it won't work - you see it uses common sense - and we can't have any of that now can we.

[Deano]

I would have thought the speedway would have had a good case for existing use rights, but Im sure they have engaged lawyers who have checked out this angle.

From my understanding, if you're complying with 95dBA and then the District Plan rules change to 85dBA, you should be able to continue making up to 95dBA.

The landowners should be made to donate any increase in their property values to the speedway for the fuck around they have caused.

[Bonez]

Hasn't 10 years past since the initial db restriction? Come on..............

[Deano]

Hasn't 10 years past since the initial db restriction? Come on..............

Can you elaborate on your point for us slower types ?

[Paul in NZ]

Well if it's closed it's closed. There is a stupid 85db law... Can't argue with that..

So lets close it...

Then.....

Lets build a drop in centre of sexual offenders, pedophiles and P addicts right next to the new prison we build on the site.... They are pretty quiet...

Then, we build a new speedway....

Paul N

[Deano]

No need to shout just change the font size.

Skyryder

Who is shouting ? I can't "hear" anything from messages the forum.

Fuck etiquette (oops I swore)

I can read WINJA's posts ok - if you can't you know what to do. Simple.

[savvy]

that sucks bout speedway, anyone whos brought a house behind the track mustv known what they were getting themselves into wit the noise and everytime im at the track i always notice the neighbours on their balconies watching too so its jus real dumb of them to kick up a fuss now. Anyway dont some charge people to come watch off their balconies!?! so they can hardly say theyr having to pay cos of the noise!

[Deano]

Why not offer to double glaze and otherwise sound proof their homes for em.


Nice idea, but this won't "protect" them when they are in the yard trying to enjoy a bbq or whatever.

Plus EVERYONE within earshot will want the mod's done to their house, esculating the costs.

How about the whingers just stick their heads back up their asses? That should block out a bit of noise.

[Bonez]

How about the whingers just stick their heads back up their asses? Hmmm, by LAW they are in the right. The Speedway has had 10 years to sort it's act out. Either the law changes or the speedway shuts down. Personnally I don't give a toss either way. They can all come down here and use our one :spudwave:

[Wellyman]

Does anyone know where they live?????????

The w****** live on a a road called 'old mill road'.


to all the losers who live on that road and are against the speedway all i have got to say to you is :finger:

[Deano]

Hmmm, by LAW they are in the right. The Speedway has had 10 years to sort it's act out. Either the law changes or the speedway shuts down. Personnally I don't give a toss either way. They can all come down here and use our one :spudwave:

Has the Council only just started receiving complaints or should they have been monitoring the noise levels long ago ?

The speedway organisers should have objected to the rule change and Im no lawyer but check this out from the RMA.

"Certain existing uses in relation to land protected—

[(1)Land may be used in a manner that contravenes a rule in a district plan or proposed district plan if—

(a)Either—

(i)The use was lawfully established before the rule became operative or the proposed plan was notified; and


(ii)The effects of the use are the same or similar in character, intensity, and scale to those which existed before the rule became operative or the proposed plan was notified: "

[Deano]

My partner just told me that the complainants have all been named and are getting hate mail etc.

Oh the poor whinging pricks - now they will know what it feels like to have your world turned upside down. You reap what you sow.

[thehollowmen]

I'm not from Western Springs, but I did stay there on call for work once...

It is noisy, and once a week is pretty bad if you've got off one shift and have only six or eight hours to sleep before you start another shift (for example off 8 pm then on at at 3 am) it can get a bit tiring week after week. I offered to work through 3 shifts like that because the noise was so bad and I couldn't sleep but there was no way they'd let me. And the pay wasn't good enough to hire a motel room.

After 3 weeks I was a wreck and had to find another place to stay.

I don't want it closed, but there must be a way to limit engine noise for the local events... I'm sure fitting standard restricters or something would work.

You might say once a week for six months is fine by you, but I really don't think it is. Ten events a year at full noise and the rest at reduced would be a lot better option but it hasn't happened.

Then again, has the speedway been telling the car owners that they've been having lots of noise complaints? :confused:

[Blakamin]

LIVED REAL CLOSE TO THE TRACK AS A CHILD AND NONE OF MY FRIENDS OR I HAVE BEEN TRAUMATISED BY THE NOISE.
I thought that was why you typed in caps...... :whistle:

[Deano]

It is noisy, and once a week is pretty bad if you've got off one shift and have only six or eight hours to sleep before you start another shift (for example off 8 pm then on at at 3 am) it can get a bit tiring week after week. I offered to work through 3 shifts like that because the noise was so bad and I couldn't sleep but there was no way they'd let me. And the pay wasn't good enough to hire a motel room.

After 3 weeks I was a wreck and had to find another place to stay.

I don't want it closed, but there must be a way to limit engine noise for the local events... I'm sure fitting standard restricters or something would work.

You might say once a week for six months is fine by you, but I really don't think it is. Ten events a year at full noise and the rest at reduced would be a lot better option but it hasn't happened.



Can see your point but the noise is part of the atmosphere that is motorsport. Also, 5dBA reduction to meet the noise limit is not much of a difference and unlikely to stop some people losing sleep, unless they change bedrooms (to far side of the house) or wear ear plugs.

What about people living in inner city apartments ? Unless the apartment was built with specific acoustic measures in mind, the residents are likely to receive noise levels of about 60-65dBA from bars and clubs (complying with their noise limit), and this goes on for at least 3 times per week, every week.

I know I couldn't sleep with that level of noise but I CHOOSE not to live in those areas.

Shift workers will always get a rougher deal as daytime noise limits (7.00am to 10.00pm generally) are always higher than those at night. Restricting the events to 10.00pm may help some but not all.

[Bonez]

My partner just told me that the complainants have all been named and are getting hate mail etc.

Oh the poor whinging pricks - now they will know what it feels like to have your world turned upside down. You reap what you sow.
Wow hate mail very mature indeed-why not just lynch them? Those whinging pricks took proactive action. Not like the tossers who've waited after the fact to act.

[thehollowmen]

Can see your point but the noise is part of the atmosphere that is motorsport. Also, 5dBA reduction to meet the noise limit is not much of a difference and unlikely to stop some people losing sleep, unless they change bedrooms (to far side of the house) or wear ear plugs.

What about people living in inner city apartments ? Unless the apartment was built with specific acoustic measures in mind, the residents are likely to receive noise levels of about 60-65dBA from bars and clubs (complying with their noise limit), and this goes on for at least 3 times per week, every week.

I know I couldn't sleep with that level of noise but I CHOOSE not to live in those areas.

Shift workers will always get a rougher deal as daytime noise limits (7.00am to 10.00pm generally) are always higher than those at night. Restricting the events to 10.00pm may help some but not all.

I undestand that people have choice, but when working there I didn't have much choice in the matter. that was where the free accomodation was...

I know that noise is some of the thrill of motorsport, which is why I tried to give some lee-way for the big events there, cause I didnt' want to appear like a motorsport nazi. Then again, it is better than proposing a giant double glased bubble-sphere around it :(

I AM sorry to see it go, it has been good to keep the kids out of trouble on a saturday night.

:crybaby:

[James Deuce]

Noise = HP. You couldn't put 26 standard road cars on the track at Western Springs and beat those noise limits. Everyone seems to be forgetting the the dBa scale is logrithmic, not linear. 5 points is not increments on a scale that adds a little bit of noise, 85dBa is many TIMES louder than 80.

I've crewed at Western Springs for two drivers and I also attempted to get graded so I could race there, but had an accident that wrote the midget off. I was running a 12a rotary with a tuned length exhaust, some major port work and ceramic tip rotors. In isolation it was really loud. Then Lindsay McKillop would start up his 13b and I wouldn't be able to tell if mine was running anymore. The VWs were louder still, and the odd Cosworth that was around then ('84) was louder than the VWs despite the water jacket.

There was only one old coot back then that used to complain about the noise, but the limit then was 95 or 98 dBa 500m from the stadium. It was an accepted hazard that if you bought along the hill above Western Springs it was loud on Wednesday night and Saturday night. Most of the people up there used to be fans, and on test nights they would have their NZ flags up along the fenceline. Just goes to show what adopting aspects of US culture will do to a country if you let it.

[sAsLEX]

For thoose complaining about the noise try sleep on a ship, ten feet from cavitating props as you turn at 20 knots!! While doing standing middle morning watches as well as daywork! Many people do this so whats a little 85dB?

If I recall correctly a 3dB drop in sound is half the sound so dropping the limit by 5 is a fair whack!

oh all the comlainints were named on closeup @ 7 or whatever holmes is called these days

[James Deuce]

If I recall correctly a 3dB drop in sound is half the sound so dropping the limit by 5 is a fair whack!

That is correct.

[Deano]

That is correct.

Not quite - a 10dBA increase is the equivalent to a doubling of the noise to the human ear. If you put two noise sources producing the same level side by side then you will get a 3dBA increase. Not quite the same thing.

So 90dBA is twice as loud as 80dBA. My point was that 5dBA is not a sufficient enough decrease to prevent sleep disturbance for some people, especially if it annoys them as they will become more sensitised to it.

I know of people who claim they can't sleep with 33dBA outside their house.

[Deano]

Wow hate mail very mature indeed-why not just lynch them? Those whinging pricks took proactive action. Not like the tossers who've waited after the fact to act.

Don't lynch em, drag em around the track a few times. That would be much more fun.

Those 'proactivists' moved into the area with their eyes and ears wide open. Now they have rallied together, formed a lobby group and exerted their pressure on the Council to do something about it.

I am not aware whether the Council consulted with the speedway about the rule change, but there is bugger all chance that the noise limit could be met.

When does the next proposed plan start being drafted and public make submissions - my bet is if the speedway does somehow manage to meet the noise limit and carry on operating, submissions from nearby neighbours will continue to seek a lower noise limit each time until the speedway is gone for ever.

[James Deuce]

Not quite - a 10dBA increase is the equivalent to a doubling of the noise to the human ear. If you put two noise sources producing the same level side by side then you will get a 3dBA increase. Not quite the same thing.

So 90dBA is twice as loud as 80dBA. My point was that 5dBA is not a sufficient enough decrease to prevent sleep disturbance for some people, especially if it annoys them as they will become more sensitised to it.

I know of people who claim they can't sleep with 33dBA outside their house.

Sorry Deano - I didn't understand the point you were trying to make. It is impossible to meet those noise limits. A large percentage of the sound is tyre and crowd noise, with the odd transitory peak provided by the PA system.

I think it's just low brow property speculation. Buy a house with a view of a lake, and then bitch about a generations old race track that gave you the house with the nice view at a cheap price until it goes away.

Rock Concerts at Western Springs make FAAR more noise than the racing. There was a convection layer over Auckland for the (I think) '87 ZZTOP concert and you could hear it on the Nth Shore. I left early to get some medical treatment after I got caught between the Mongrel Mob and the Police and took a few blows to the head. You could wind down the window in the car and still hear it going over Hubbub Ridge

[Deano]

I sometimes don't understand the point Im trying to make either.

The last Big Day Out I went to, you could hear the music from miles away too. That'll be the next fun thing to go.

I think the laid back kiwi attitude is fast fading away. People seem less tolerant of the actions of others, especially if it annoys them in some way. Although, on the other hand, maybe people are less considerate than they used to be also. Back in the 60's Council's were lucky to receive a few noise complaints a year - now its several every night.

You know what happens when you slowly introduce more and more rats into a confined area...

[Coyote]

Is there a replacement of western springs planned? Surely the can sort out another venue

[RiderInBlack]

Is there a replacement of western springs planned? Surely the can sort out another venueHave to put it down in Meremere, and zone Meremere as a Petrolhead only zone (no whingers allowed).

[FROSTY]

Hey Jim can we qualify this a bit.
The speedway had a 95 Dba limit --No question.
As I recall it was the same as the MNZ rule which is an individual
test carried out on each vehicle.
Why weren't the loud cars shut down ?
I bet it woulda only taken 1 meeting where the guys get black flagged off the track for em to come back with quieter cars.
I know all about the search for More Hp but a blanket rule.....

Hey another point -what has been done to improve the sound deadening around the springs.
Would it be possible to get an accustics expert to come in and sort something out there?
As I understand it the wingers aint in the place so why not contain/absorb the noise?

[guzzi_nz]

Hey Jim can we qualify this a bit.
The speedway had a 95 Dba limit --No question.
As I recall it was the same as the MNZ rule which is an individual
test carried out on each vehicle.
Why weren't the loud cars shut down ?
I bet it woulda only taken 1 meeting where the guys get black flagged off the track for em to come back with quieter cars.
I know all about the search for More Hp but a blanket rule.....

Hey another point -what has been done to improve the sound deadening around the springs.
Would it be possible to get an accustics expert to come in and sort something out there?
As I understand it the wingers aint in the place so why not contain/absorb the noise?


u do have some point when u get black flaged u do fix it :brick: ever if your not happly with it u finded they fix before next race also wif the new pipes around u still can get very good hp you got buy good pipes not cheap :cry:
Cars and bikes are all checked before they aloud on track so if they have a rule on nosice level and its gettting broken some one is not doing job right :argh: also wif sawmills we had to put up trees

[James Deuce]

Hey Jim can we qualify this a bit.
The speedway had a 95 Dba limit --No question.
As I recall it was the same as the MNZ rule which is an individual
test carried out on each vehicle.
Why weren't the loud cars shut down ?
I bet it woulda only taken 1 meeting where the guys get black flagged off the track for em to come back with quieter cars.
I know all about the search for More Hp but a blanket rule.....

Hey another point -what has been done to improve the sound deadening around the springs.
Would it be possible to get an accustics expert to come in and sort something out there?
As I understand it the wingers aint in the place so why not contain/absorb the noise?

Yup there used to be noise testing "in my day", and I'm sure it's more stringent now. The bikes were usually louder than the cars for some reason. Damn, some of the push trucks were louder than the race cars :) That's what the Wednesday nights used to be about mostly - scrutineering and driver briefings.

The problem with sound that travels is that it is usually of a low frequency and it travels through anything it can vibrate, i.e ground, walls, the little tiny brains of the local residents (oops, sorry that just slipped in). It's quite easy to stop anything from about 3kHz up, but a lot of stuff under that isn't just transported by the air.

[Deano]

Have to put it down in Meremere, and zone Meremere as a Petrolhead only zone (no whingers allowed).

The area would need a good buffer between the track and residential zones.

But having said that, with urban sprawl, it is probably only a matter of time before someone wants to develop land closer to the track, thereby reducing or eliminating the buffer zone.

This is where the track operators would need to object to any residential development on the basis of reverse sensitivity. Development may still go ahead, but with strict building design to reduce internal noise transmission. (Doesn't do anything for the outside of the property though)

If the track operators don't object, and despite having a noise limit on the designated land,(which they comply with) if enough people moving into the area complain about noise levels, there is a section of the RMA - s17, where there is an obligation to mitigate any adverse effects on the environment, in this scenario being lack of amenity for the residents.

This doesn't however seem to apply so much to "essential" activities such as Seaports, where I read a Judge once stated that noise levels could be expected to increase as more demands are placed on port activities, such as increase in the frequency of vessel visits.

Te Marua Speedway has it's own noise limit, but if residential development gets much closer, they too could face problems.

One option is for the track operators to own the buffer zone, thus precluding any residential development.

[WINJA]

Don't lynch em, drag em around the track a few times. That would be much more fun.

Those 'proactivists' moved into the area with their eyes and ears wide open. Now they have rallied together, formed a lobby group and exerted their pressure on the Council to do something about it.

I am not aware whether the Council consulted with the speedway about the rule change, but there is bugger all chance that the noise limit could be met.

When does the next proposed plan start being drafted and public make submissions - my bet is if the speedway does somehow manage to meet the noise limit and carry on operating, submissions from nearby neighbours will continue to seek a lower noise limit each time until the speedway is gone for ever.
YUP YOUR SOOOOOOOOO RIGHT. I THINK NOISE SUBMISSIONS CAN ONLY BE TAKEN FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE LIVED THERE 75 YEARS OR MORE, AND THOSE PEOPLE WILL ALL BE DEAF . MY UNCLE BOUGHT A CHEAP PLACE RIGHT UNDER THE FLIGHT PATH AT AIAL I WONDER IF HE HAS GROUNDS FOR COMPLAINTS , THEY COULD AT LEAST LIMIT THEIR NOISE TO 85 DB AND NO FLIGHTS AFTER 11PM DO YOU THINK HE HAS A CHANCE? :laugh:

[Coyote]

Te Marua Speedway has it's own noise limit, but if residential development gets much closer, they too could face problems.

This will no doubt happen :angry:. The Professionals will not rest till all green in Upper Hutt has been replaced with housing. Even my place, which was made by the Professionals, was built on an old dump! (This we found out after buying the house)

[Hitcher]

OUR COUNTRYS GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION PANDERING TO THE VOCAL MINORITY
I agree with you, oh Locked Caps one.

[Hitcher]

No need to shout just change the font size.
Funny how he can read everything the rest of us type, but needs the caps locked to persuse his own efforts...

But nevertheless he makes a valid point.

[pete376403]

So much for living in a democracy where the majority opinion rules. How can the complaint of 35 override the rights of thousands?

[James Deuce]

So much for living in a democracy where the majority opinion rules. How can the complaint of 35 override the rights of thousands?

It's the old lesson: Pick your fight.

Everyone hates noise, ergo we can't lose.

[Hitcher]

Kingsland and Western Springs residents can now sleep quietly.

[jrandom]

Kingsland and Western Springs residents can now sleep quietly.

Sniff.

I really did enjoy going to sleep to the roar of the speedway on Saturday nights, all those years ago. Never bothered me.

Ah, well. Roll on the Super Saloons at Waikaraka next weekend. Sigh.

[Drunken Monkey]

Ah, well. Roll on the Super Saloons at Waikaraka next weekend. Sigh.

Further proof of the hypochrisy. It's just rich wankers with friends in high places lobbying to get their own way (and so the net capital gain on their newly aquired 'Grey Lynn' home goes up a few more points). No complaints about Waikaraka park, because its in Onehunga. If speedway was was in Otara, no-one would give a flying fart what the residents thought about the noise...

[Coyote]

Found these on the rock's site :laugh:

[Coldkiwi]

fear not oh self appointed and omniscient acoustic experts! Western springs demise is not signed sealed and delivered just yet.

Rest assured, many people are working to see that the place can keep operating, and that includes at least 2 firms of acoustic engineers plus I don't know how many lawyers. Needless to say, half of what has been written here is bollocks (would take to long to pick thorugh it, but I'm not surprised given the abscence of any technical education from the media) and the other half should be qualified.

please also be aware that it is NOT a simple problem. 20 different high speed vehicles changing direction on a continually varying surface with different drivers, gearing, lines in varying wind conditions and ground absoprtion leads to a right big bloody mess that is not easily assessed, designed for, or understood by anyone.

Everything you hear in the media has been sensationalised, hyped and made to sound much more juicy than is the case but frankly, I don't have the energy to correct any of it anymore!

[Hitcher]

I don't have the energy to correct any of it anymore!
Oh. OK then.

[James Deuce]

fear not oh self appointed and omniscient acoustic experts! Western springs demise is not signed sealed and delivered just yet.

Rest assured, many people are working to see that the place can keep operating, and that includes at least 2 firms of acoustic engineers plus I don't know how many lawyers. Needless to say, half of what has been written here is bollocks (would take to long to pick thorugh it, but I'm not surprised given the abscence of any technical education from the media) and the other half should be qualified.

please also be aware that it is NOT a simple problem. 20 different high speed vehicles changing direction on a continually varying surface with different drivers, gearing, lines in varying wind conditions and ground absoprtion leads to a right big bloody mess that is not easily assessed, designed for, or understood by anyone.

Everything you hear in the media has been sensationalised, hyped and made to sound much more juicy than is the case but frankly, I don't have the energy to correct any of it anymore!


Gee thanks.

I'll just STFU then. Or not.

I've had enough of your sometimes friendly, sometimes pompous attitude. If you can't be bothered sharing then don't say anything.

If you accuse people of talking shit, then have the intestinal fortitude to accuse and instruct the excrement spreaders. Stop being a typical oblique Christian and say something for goodness sake. How's that for generalisation to go up against your potted generalisations?

YEs I got stuff wrong. I always do. I also admit when I do, but I would like to learn, not just be blown off by the "Guru". I've had a lot to do with the Western Springs facility as a Roady, a potential competitor, a drum tech, t-shirt sales, and years of paying to see speedway and concerts. For the reasons you mentioned it will be impossible to beat a 80dB sound limit. You just need the wind to blow the wrong way and you're screwed.

If you have an inside track then tell us, but quite frankly your opinion is worth squat to me. Founded as it is in arrogance and all.

[Indiana_Jones]

The Hell with them

-Indy

[Coyote]

On the Breakfast show this morning, they had the residents who were complaining, they had a few fairly valid points. In the last few years, the speedway has had new promoter pushing them to get more money, this meant more races, and they also up-graded their PA system to have louder than crap speakers. Before was bearable, but now its too much.

Maybe if they reverted to before...

[jrandom]

fear not...I've had enough...

Right now, I need there to be an 'eating popcorn' smiley.

[Hitcher]

Right now, I need there to be an 'eating popcorn' smiley.
And you could also use it while listening to the illiterati and ignorami on the "wheelie" thread...

[jrandom]

And you could also use it while listening to the illiterati and ignorami on the "wheelie" thread...

You know... if the conspiracy theories about the Illiteratus are true, there are probably coded instructions for world domination hidden in those downloadable Yamaha ignorami bike models!

Sorry.

I think I need a drink.

[Hitcher]

You know... if the conspiracy theories about the Illiteratus are true, there are probably coded instructions for world domination hidden in those downloadable Yamaha ignorami bike models!

Sorry.

I think I need a drink.
If they were to pose any credible thread they would have to be written in TXT-speak with no punctuation. But then those to whom they were targeted, with their average attention span of 16.41 nanoseconds, would be unlikely to decipher the instructions anyway.

"Duh, fuckitsa bike modl"
"Farout a wheelie! Cool"
"Woo hoo lok at the titson that"
"youse old cunstsa a buncha losrs. Cunt wheli for siht"
"Duh, fuckitsa bike modl..." (Repeat incessantly until your balls drop)

[magnum]

council should tell the residents to fuck off.all this pc is crazy. :crazy:

[Coldkiwi]

Gee thanks.

I'll just STFU then. Or not.

I've had enough of your sometimes friendly, sometimes pompous attitude. If you can't be bothered sharing then don't say anything.

If you accuse people of talking shit, then have the intestinal fortitude to accuse and instruct the excrement spreaders. Stop being a typical oblique Christian and say something for goodness sake. How's that for generalisation to go up against your potted generalisations?

YEs I got stuff wrong. I always do. I also admit when I do, but I would like to learn, not just be blown off by the "Guru". I've had a lot to do with the Western Springs facility as a Roady, a potential competitor, a drum tech, t-shirt sales, and years of paying to see speedway and concerts. For the reasons you mentioned it will be impossible to beat a 80dB sound limit. You just need the wind to blow the wrong way and you're screwed.

If you have an inside track then tell us, but quite frankly your opinion is worth squat to me. Founded as it is in arrogance and all.

my bad dude. Not the way i'd intended it to be taken. I just didn't feel like I had the time to go through and pull out what was wrong and what was right from 4 pages of threads but I get frustrated by all the misinformation that has been dished out over the subject as 'facts'. All I'm saying is take the media (where almost all of us get our info from) with a large grain of salt.

I thought I was sharing anyway... everyone seems to be saying that speedway is just going to roll over but isn't aware that lots of technical people are working hard to prevent that.

[Coldkiwi]

Stop being a typical oblique Christian and say something for goodness sake. How's that for generalisation to go up against your potted generalisations?


can't please all of the people all of the time I guess.
What are the options?
Come out and say something in black and white: get labelled judgemental swine
Come out and say something objective without bias(this is a typical christian thing to do??? REALLY!?): too oblique
Come out and say something with no facts, just an opion: talking BS

BTW- I'm actually working on the speedway issue myself so I'm not really allowed to say too much more or I my role in sorting it out. Sorry if that sounds pompous to anyone but its the way it is. If you really want more information, please do everyone a favor and call the papers/TV stations and tell THEM to stop being BS merchants and give some decent facts on the subject.

[merv]

Nah cut all the rubbish Jim's just got to get out biking again he's suffering withdrawal.

[vifferman]

Rest assured, many people are working to see that the place can keep operating, and that includes at least 2 firms of acoustic engineers plus I don't know how many lawyers. Yeah, the lawyers should make good sound-absorbing material.:whistle:

Seriously, does anyone know if there is a commercial noise-cancellation system that could be applied here, or is it just too complex with several moving noise sources?

http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Obnoxious_20Neighbor_20Active_20Noise_20Cancelling

[James Deuce]

my bad dude. Not the way i'd intended it to be taken. I just didn't feel like I had the time to go through and pull out what was wrong and what was right from 4 pages of threads but I get frustrated by all the misinformation that has been dished out over the subject as 'facts'. All I'm saying is take the media (where almost all of us get our info from) with a large grain of salt.

I thought I was sharing anyway... everyone seems to be saying that speedway is just going to roll over but isn't aware that lots of technical people are working hard to prevent that.
Aaargh I'm sorry. You DO realise that there is now a tremendous amount of stale popcorn throughout bikerdom thanks to your measured response?

I shall endeavour to hang loose, and stop being such a small minded pain in the neck.

[James Deuce]

can't please all of the people all of the time I guess.
What are the options?
Come out and say something in black and white: get labelled judgemental swine
Come out and say something objective without bias(this is a typical christian thing to do??? REALLY!?): too oblique
Come out and say something with no facts, just an opion: talking BS

BTW- I'm actually working on the speedway issue myself so I'm not really allowed to say too much more or I my role in sorting it out. Sorry if that sounds pompous to anyone but its the way it is. If you really want more information, please do everyone a favor and call the papers/TV stations and tell THEM to stop being BS merchants and give some decent facts on the subject.
Part 1 - Surely you know all that by now? :)

Part 2.

GOOD. Make sure you publish your part in the eventual victory of motorsport competition and tradition over post modern political correctness.

[avgas]

Kingsland and Western Springs residents can now sleep quietly.
not really my bikes back on the road this week, if i can hear it in balmoral - im sure kingsland will here it when i go past motat

[RiderInBlack]

Kingsland and Western Springs residents can now sleep quietly.Mmmm (evil thoughts start), sound like an ideal route to do on a weekly bais for the "Big As, Bad-Arse Bikers MC" weekly "Dawn To Dust" ride (that's if Westend Springs close of course).

[Krayy]

Appararently Murray Deaker has some "behind the scenes" story that he's going to break tonight on his ZB show after 7 about the Springs. Not sure what it will cover as he was very vague on it last night as they were still working out lawyer type stuff (which probably means the lawyer needs a new Audi TT so he's just ramping up the hours). Be interesting to see what it is.