LTSA / WOF / W**nkers

[manuboy]

Dropped our 1993 Toyota Sceptor off at the local garage this morning. Just had a ring to say we are not going to get a warrant, because there is a TV in the dash, that gets no reception, but will work (has power). There is also a tyre without required tread depth.

This car has been in NZ for 10 years now. Mechanic reckons he rang LTSA and they said "fail it". I just rang them to confirm - they guy said "I'd pass it". Great stuff.

This vehicle had a full pre-purchase inspection 3 weeks ago. The AA guy explained the concept of "point in time" to me. The tyre passed no worries then. 3 weeks (and less than 200km) later, it fails. Wow. 3 months i can understand.... 3 weeks?

Anybody know how to disconnect an import sceptor tv? can't see any wires to clip. Fuse diagram is jappa. Can't just smash screen (might look dodge for resale).

[Hitcher]

Those frontseat TVs are set so that they don't work when the car is in Drive. Not that this deters Japanese drivers who have developed to an artform the practice of watching TV whilst coasting in neutral.

Begs the question as to whether the LTNZ has a policy on the location and viewing of in-car DVDs (all the rage for the Pajero set for Christmas, I imagine)...

[Motu]

Tyres are day of issue,same as the whole WoF,always has been - you could park it up for 6 mths,or go to Dunedun the next day.I've had tyres I passed down to the steel belt the next day.TV can't work,except to show a rearward view in reverse,always been a rule - but it's due for a change with factory fit GPS coming in.

[Oscar]

Consumer G'Tees Act
The goods have to be fit for the purpose intended and of merchantable quality.

If you bought this car two weeks ago, it's the dealers problem.

[Biff]

Anybody know how to disconnect an import sceptor tv? can't see any wires to clip. Fuse diagram is jappa. Can't just smash screen (might look dodge for resale).

I used to be a vehicle electrician. If I can help in anyway dude let me know. I live in Rangiora. Feel free to pop in for a chat and I'll take a look for you.

[manuboy]

Tyres are day of issue,same as the whole WoF,always has been - you could park it up for 6 mths,or go to Dunedun the next day.I've had tyres I passed down to the steel belt the next day.TV can't work,except to show a rearward view in reverse,always been a rule - but it's due for a change with factory fit GPS coming in.

Like all "rules" - open to interpretation. Which is obvious to me, since the Sockburn Testing Station in Chch has passed it for warrant 6 years in a row.

The words "Can't work". As in can't get any watchable picture (static), or you can't even power it up? Interpretation.

As for the tyres, i understand, except these are in (practically) the same condition as the AA check 3 weeks ago. Less than 200km. In my books the guy has made a judgement call. We'll replace anyway since common sense says they must be close to buggered if two people can make two different judgements.

I'm more annoyed really at paying $100 for an AA check and three weeks later we can't get a warrant.

[manuboy]

I used to be a vehicle electrician. If I can help in anyway dude let me know. I live in Rangiora. Feel free to pop in for a chat and I'll take a look for you.

Cool man - my plan is to switch the car onto acc/on (or woteva) pull the fuses in the kickbox one by one until the tv stops goin. Then reset the clock, blah blah blah. Does that sound like a plan?

Will hook up at some stage anyway man - sounds like you were comin on a ride at some stage...

[Biff]

Cool man - my plan is to switch the car onto acc/on (or woteva) pull the fuses in the kickbox one by one until the tv stops goin. Then reset the clock, blah blah blah. Does that sound like a plan?

Will hook up at some stage anyway man - sounds like you were comin on a ride at some stage...

Yep that sounds like a plan. The only potential pitfall would be if the fuse that protected the TV also protected something else as well. Not likely as a tv tends to pull more current than most other vehicle circuits so is likely to be running on a stand alone circuit. Once you've found the right fuse make sure you check all you other electrical goodies in order to make sure they work. Including indicators, stop lights etc.

Coming on a ride - love to - where n when just let me know.

[Motu]

Your AA check was NOT a WoF check.And as I said - I've failed a vehicle for a WoF on tyres,then the very next day have the tyre guy say...''which tyre did you fail?''....'left rear,can't you read the check sheet?'....''well the left front is showing the steel belt'' It passes on the day of inspection,the very next day it can be illeagal,this can't be passed back onto the WoF inspector.

Those TV in cars were kinda ignored for a long time because they were just irelavent,but now they are becoming an issue and looked at - I get real sick of hearing ''but it passed the last 6 WoFs like that''....yeah,well it doesn't pass today mate.

[vifferman]

Cool man - my plan is to switch the car onto acc/on (or woteva) pull the fuses in the kickbox one by one until the tv stops goin. Then reset the clock, blah blah blah. Does that sound like a plan?That sounds like a plan. A plan so cunning, you could stick a tail on it, and call it a weasel...

So the maturbatorial folx at the LTSA won't go for it.
They'll say, "But wottif?"
"Wottif someone puts the fuse back in?"
"Wottif you've just turned it off somewhere and turn it back on when you drive outta here?"

And then you'll get so riled up at their misuse of the tiny bit of bureaucratic power they have, that you'll then go, "Wottif I stick my boot up your arse if you don't stop pissin' me around!?!?"

And then you'll be :buggerd:

And then you'll have to ditch the WeirdAndNotSoWunnerful Toymotor Septic with the It'sWorkingIt'sNotWorking TV set and buy a Proper Automobile. :Pokey:

[vifferman]

I get real sick of hearing ''but it passed the last 6 WoFs like that''....yeah,well it doesn't pass today mate.Uh-oh....
BadMotu is back.
That evil Santa has brought him out of the woodwork...:eek5:

[manuboy]

Your AA check was NOT a WoF check.And as I said - I've failed a vehicle for a WoF on tyres,then the very next day have the tyre guy say...''which tyre did you fail?''....'left rear,can't you read the check sheet?'....''well the left front is showing the steel belt'' It passes on the day of inspection,the very next day it can be illeagal,this can't be passed back onto the WoF inspector.

Those TV in cars were kinda ignored for a long time because they were just irelavent,but now they are becoming an issue and looked at - I get real sick of hearing ''but it passed the last 6 WoFs like that''....yeah,well it doesn't pass today mate.

Liek most things these days i have to ask where common sense applies and where the check sheet starts. How can we look at something that DOESN"T WORK? and it NEVER will?

And if it's so clear cut, why did the LTSA bloke who deals with these issues just recommend that i pass his number to the WOF guy so he could sort it out for us??????????????????????????????????

I'd be just as happy if the jappa's never stuck this SHIT in in thr first place.

And yeah, i realise the pre-purchase wasn't a WOF.

[vifferman]

I'd be just as happy if the jappa's never stuck this SHIT in in thr first place."But feel the quality. You get so much extra, so many doodads with these used Japanese imports."

Like I said - buy a Proper Automobile. :Pokey:

No, no; absolutely no need to thank me, Old Chap. My advice comes for free.

Hunkers down behind the wealth of bulletproofing afforded by the extra dooddads and gizmos of some "fine" Toymotor ED Exciting Version broken down at the side of the road, its puny engine overwhelmed by the strain of all the doodads and lack of maintenance and love...

[manuboy]

That sounds like a plan. A plan so cunning, you could stick a tail on it, and call it a weasel...

So the maturbatorial folx at the LTSA won't go for it.
They'll say, "But wottif?"
"Wottif someone puts the fuse back in?"


LTSA will never know. Just told Mr WOF man (who is just doin wot he's told i suppose) that's what i'd do, and he happily replied (arond the edge of a tasty lookin chicken sandwhich) "yup mate, that'll do it...".


And then you'll have to ditch the WeirdAndNotSoWunnerful Toymotor Septic with the It'sWorkingIt'sNotWorking TV set and buy a Proper Automobile. :Pokey:

Viffy viffy viffy. So many more posts than me... but you've (unusally) missed the point. It's HER car. SHE luvs it. She bought it. I MUST make it go, or she will be unhappy. Here's some qik math:

SHE's unhappy = I'M unhappy. Not because i wanna be, just because the secret school attended by all those of the female persuasion teaches that's how it MUST be. And the universe agrees wholeheartedly somehow. I thinks it's rule # 1, you know?

[manuboy]

My advice comes for free

So it should - it's Crap! :killingme

Ahhh.... Xmas. Beautiful time of year....

[vifferman]

It's HER car. SHE luvs it. She bought it. I MUST make it go, or she will be unhappy. Here's some qik math:

SHE's unhappy = I'M unhappy. Not because i wanna be, just because the secret school attended by all those of the female persuasion teaches that's how it MUST be. And the universe agrees wholeheartedly somehow. I thinks it's rule # 1, you know?Ah. Some sense is made.

And the secret school has been known to me for some time.

Y'know all those times when you were at the pub, before you got married (and probably after), and all the gurrrls went off to the 'powder room' together, and because you were too busy talking shit with your mates or too pissed to notice? Or to wonder why they all needed to take their handbags with them?

The secret school, Dude.
Council of war.
Plotting and planning, and sharing Evil Secrets, Special Weapons and Tactics, etc. :buggerd:

[Motu]

The LTSA is just playing a catch up game - applying regs out of Europe via Australia - but the cars we are using them on are from Japan where they seem to have no rules at all...so the LTSA slaps on patches to all the holes that keep appearing...but the obvious fuckwit in all this is the WoF inspector,who it appears doesn't have a fucking clue...blame it on him.

Another misconception is that the Wof is not FOR 6 mths,it's a check on the condition of a vehicle since it's LAST WoF,and the present time in checking it - no crystal balls are applied as to the future use of said vehicle....if a stop light fails the next day,then it no longer complies to the WoF standard,just because it passed a WoF yesterday has nothing to do with it's present condition....tyres included.

[Daisy Duke]

No, no; absolutely no need to thank me, Old Chap. My advice comes for free.
.[/size]

How do I get rid of green fly from my roses?

[vifferman]

How do I get rid of green fly from my roses?Flamethrower.

Or ladybirds.

Or paint 'em to look like ladybirds.

Or spray them with Maldison (or a detergent solution if you don't like gnarsty chemicules).

Why are you asking me, anyway? :spudwhat: Do I look like a freakin gardener? :eek:

Oh yeah - my spouting forth of crap comes for free.

Hope you got your money's worth.:stoogie:

[jrandom]

Do I look like a freakin gardener? :eek:

To be happy for a day, get drunk.

To be happy for a week, get a new car.

To be happy for a year, get married.

To be happy for the rest of your life, become a gardener.

[vifferman]

To be happy for a day, get drunk.

To be happy for a week, get a new car.

To be happy for a year, get married.

To be happy for the rest of your life, become a gardener.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[T.I.E]

AA checks be warned, i have seen some extremely shocking things that the AA checks have missed, break discs on vechiles that were broken with a huge chunks of steel missing. cracked wheel rims. cracked engine mounts. lose brake calipiers. faulty bearings. these were just some. so please never take their word on it. unfortunately some things could be missed but others not acceptable. so if you wish to use an AA person to do a check on your vechile, i hope you get a good one.

[Biff]

Do I look like a freakin gardener? :eek:


You know what they say about a man with green fingers, he picks his nose

[manuboy]

Another misconception is that the Wof is not FOR 6 mths,it's a check on the condition of a vehicle since it's LAST WoF,and the present time in checking it - no crystal balls are applied as to the future use of said vehicle....if a stop light fails the next day,then it no longer complies to the WoF standard,just because it passed a WoF yesterday has nothing to do with it's present condition....tyres included.

Sounds to me like the LTSA has the best of intentions, but needs to get it's shit together. Also, i wasn't aware the WOF thing. So this means if you have an accident and your insurance company found out a brake light failed and it was the day after the WOF you're fucked?



Do I look like a freakin gardener?

Nah Vifferman - you've got a good face for radio..... :bleh: :bleh: :banana:
(we've never met...)

[mangell6]

The LTSA is just playing a catch up game - applying regs out of Europe via Australia - but the cars we are using them on are from Japan where they seem to have no rules at all...so the LTSA slaps on patches to all the holes that keep appearing...but the obvious fuckwit in all this is the WoF inspector,who it appears doesn't have a fucking clue...blame it on him.
.

Can't do that Motu, single out an individual as being responsible, one has to generalise and blame an entity, like takiniteasy has, except he spoiled it by mentioning an individual at the end.


AA checks be warned, i have seen some extremely shocking things that the AA checks have missed, break discs on vechiles that were broken with a huge chunks of steel missing. cracked wheel rims. cracked engine mounts. lose brake calipiers. faulty bearings. these were just some. so please never take their word on it. unfortunately some things could be missed but others not acceptable. so if you wish to use an AA person to do a check on your vechile, i hope you get a good one.

:Pokey:

[カワサキキド]

I can read Japanese, so I can tell you what fuse is what. My shoulder is better and I will be riding again by the weekend, providing I can find the pry bar to bend the headlight/gauges assemblely back to shape.
I'm free any time so just let me know.

[Bounty]

Like with any rules it depends on who you get on the day, and how they are feeling. I bought a car in from Aussie 2 years ago, passed all the compliance shite that you go through, has had 1 other Wof and passed ok, but this time an inspector 'happened' to be at the garage where I take it and told me I had to remove a sticker on the windscreen (even though it didn't obscure the view), and was concerned about the tinted windows (even though they passed by 1%). What could I do I, I could argue the point, and don't get a warrant or remove the sticker. You will never win against beuracrecy (sp?).

[Motu]

You will never win against beuracrecy (sp?).

That's it in a nutshell - the rules can be applied in a beurocratic way,and if so 90% of vehicles will fail the test - but most of the inspectors are human and have their own version of the rules,based on their experiance and knowledge,this is how we get discrepancies between inspections - you can remove the humanity if you like,but it's a cold heartless fail....

[SPman]

- you can remove the humanity if you like, but it's a cold heartless fail....
Oh yes!......mya haha !!

[FROSTY]

Manu -A couple of suggestions for ya here.
The quick fix for the tv thing is to cover the screen.Provided the screen isnt multi use and used for your air conditioning. My suggestion would be to glue a picture of you and the lady concerned directly onto the screen so it can never be used.
A more permanent cure with toyotas is simply to pull the whole thing out of the dash. There are only 2 screws holding the soround in place and 4 holding the tv in. Its what is called a double din fitting and you could fit either a NZ sterio in the hole with a storage box under it or if you've got the money one of those fancy double din radio/cd/tape/mp3 players.
Regarding the AA inspection.
Motu has covered it pretty well. BUT
If you bought the car from a licenced dealer and it diddn't have a less than 28 day old WOF you can go back to them-It is a legal requirement to sell a motor vehicle with a new WOF (-28 days old)
The same applies to public to public sales -unless the vendor specificly sold the goods as is where is. -I don't rate ya chances tof gettin money from public though
If the AA inspector noted that there was for example 3.0mm of tread or more on that tyre then I'd give them a call --if he put down 2.0mm or less then basicly -you were told the tyre was borderline.

[manuboy]

Manu -A couple of suggestions for ya here.
The quick fix for the tv thing is to cover the screen.Provided the screen isnt multi use and used for your air conditioning. My suggestion would be to glue a picture of you and the lady concerned directly onto the screen so it can never be used.
A more permanent cure with toyotas is simply to pull the whole thing out of the dash. There are only 2 screws holding the soround in place and 4 holding the tv in. Its what is called a double din fitting and you could fit either a NZ sterio in the hole with a storage box under it or if you've got the money one of those fancy double din radio/cd/tape/mp3 players.
Regarding the AA inspection.

Hey Frosty - yeah thats sounds like a goer (pulling it out). Anything to get a warrant in a hurry really. And even i can hack stuff OUT.

The AA inspection was done cos we bought private. It's been a learning experience. Like Motu said. They aren't WOF checks. They just cost a LOT more..... :unsure:

[matthewt]

Our car had a dvd player with a screen in the dash. When it went to complaince the dealer altered it so the screen only came on if the handbrake was on (after talking to the complaince guys). They did however allow the screen to show the rear view camera when it was in reverse though.

[FROSTY]

Hey Frosty - yeah thats sounds like a goer (pulling it out). Anything to get a warrant in a hurry really. And even i can hack stuff OUT.

The AA inspection was done cos we bought private. It's been a learning experience. Like Motu said. They aren't WOF checks. They just cost a LOT more..... :unsure:
Ok manu --put the car into low ratio forwards. There are two screws in the dash center facing upwards, once ya take them out you'll be able to just pull the panel out--its held in by about 6 clips and it sometimes take a lil bit of force.
thinking about it the easy way would be just to undoo the screws holding the screen in and unplug the plugs in the back of the screen then just drop the screen back in.

[vifferman]

thinking about it the easy way would be just to undoo the screws holding the screen in and unplug the plugs in the back of the screen then just drop the screen back in.... or you could leave it out, and install a pie warmer. Or a mini beer fridge. Or one of those little "keep me safe shrines to the driving gods because my driving is shite" thingos.

[manuboy]

... or you could leave it out, and install a pie warmer. Or a mini beer fridge. Or one of those little "keep me safe shrines to the driving gods because my driving is shite" thingos.

I hearby nominate AKLD drugs as being the finest in the land?? :whistle:

And it's HER car. So it won't be a pie warmer - possibly a vege crisper or a rice cooker? My car would have the ManlinessReducingDevice^tm to make it safe for all the ladies out there... :sick:

[FROSTY]

A lil bit of advise for ya -If ya want M aximum cudos (sp) for minimum expense do what I said--Unplug the screen then get a picture of you two together and put it over the screen-Believe me -The lady will love it
if she doesn't --blame ol frosty

[manuboy]

A lil bit of advise for ya -If ya want M aximum cudos (sp) for minimum expense do what I said--Unplug the screen then get a picture of you two together and put it over the screen-Believe me -The lady will love it
if she doesn't --blame ol frosty

it'd be a nice surprise, but finding a photo of her she'll like is mission impossible "i look too white!, i look fat! my eye's don't look like that do they?".

Tell ya what - send me a photo of frosty and i'll stick that there... lol....