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Livvy
5th May 2008, 21:54
If Men Could Menstruate

by Gloria Steinem

A white minority of the world has spent centuries conning us into thinking that a white skin makes people superior - even though the only thing it really does is make the more subject to ultraviolet rays and to wrinkles. Male human beings have built whole cultures around the idea that penis envy is "natural" to women - though having such an unprotected organ might be said to make men vulnerable, and the power to give birth makes womb envy at least as logical.
In short, the characteristics of the powerful, whatever they may be, are thought to be better than the characteristics of the powerless - and logic has nothing to do with it.
What would happen, for instance, if suddenly, magically, men could menstruate and women could not?
The answer is clear - menstruation would become an enviable, boast-worthy, masculine event:
Men would brag about how long and how much.
Boys would mark the onset of menses, that longed-for proof of manhood, with religious ritual and stag parties.
Congress would fund a National Institute of Dysmenorrhea to help stamp out monthly discomforts.
Sanitary supplies would be federally funded and free. (Of course, some men would still pay for the prestige of commercial brands such as John Wayne Tampons, Muhammad Ali's Rope-a-dope Pads, Joe Namath Jock Shields - "For Those Light Bachelor Days," and Robert "Baretta" Blake Maxi-Pads.)
Military men, right-wing politicians, and religious fundamentalists would cite menstruation ("men-struation") as proof that only men could serve in the Army ("you have to give blood to take blood"), occupy political office ("can women be aggressive without that steadfast cycle governed by the planet Mars?"), be priest and ministers ("how could a woman give her blood for our sins?") or rabbis ("without the monthly loss of impurities, women remain unclean").
Male radicals, left-wing politicians, mystics, however, would insist that women are equal, just different, and that any woman could enter their ranks if she were willing to self-inflict a major wound every month ("you MUST give blood for the revolution"), recognize the preeminence of menstrual issues, or subordinate her selfness to all men in their Cycle of Enlightenment. Street guys would brag ("I'm a three pad man") or answer praise from a buddy ("Man, you lookin' good!") by giving fives and saying, "Yeah, man, I'm on the rag!" TV shows would treat the subject at length. ("Happy Days": Richie and Potsie try to convince Fonzie that he is still "The Fonz," though he has missed two periods in a row.) So would newspapers. (SHARK SCARE THREATENS MENSTRUATING MEN. JUDGE CITES MONTHLY STRESS IN PARDONING RAPIST.) And movies. (Newman and Redford in "Blood Brothers"!)
Men would convince women that intercourse was more pleasurable at "that time of the month." Lesbians would be said to fear blood and therefore life itself - though probably only because they needed a good menstruating man.
Of course, male intellectuals would offer the most moral and logical arguments. How could a woman master any discipline that demanded a sense of time, space, mathematics, or measurement, for instance, without that in-built gift for measuring the cycles of the moon and planets - and thus for measuring anything at all? In the rarefied fields of philosophy and religion, could women compensate for missing the rhythm of the universe? Or for their lack of symbolic death-and-resurrection every month?
Liberal males in every field would try to be kind: the fact that "these people" have no gift for measuring life or connecting to the universe, the liberals would explain, should be punishment enough.
And how would women be trained to react? One can imagine traditional women agreeing to all arguments with a staunch and smiling masochism. ("The ERA would force housewives to wound themselves every month": Phyllis Schlafly. "Your husband's blood is as sacred as that of Jesus - and so sexy, too!": Marabel Morgan.) Reformers and Queen Bees would try to imitate men, and pretend to have a monthly cycle. All feminists would explain endlessly that men, too, needed to be liberated from the false idea of Martian aggressiveness, just as women needed to escape the bonds of menses envy. Radical feminist would add that the oppression of the nonmenstrual was the pattern for all other oppressions ("Vampires were our first freedom fighters!") Cultural feminists would develop a bloodless imagery in art and literature. Socialist feminists would insist that only under capitalism would men be able to monopolize menstrual blood . . . .
In fact, if men could menstruate, the power justifications could probably go on forever.
If we let them.

Something for the girls, but I'm sure some guys could find this pretty funny. :devil2:

riffer
5th May 2008, 22:01
What a lot of complete crap.


:wacko:

sugilite
5th May 2008, 22:16
Obviously tongue in cheek for the most part...but tell me how this penis envy justification thingie is any different from woman (stand by for gross generalization here) who constantly strive for that media approved body, clothes, shoes yadda, yadda, yadda? My observation is they do not do it to impress men, but rather their fellow woman peers. Clitoris envy anyone? Or merely human nature?????

yod
5th May 2008, 22:27
Obviously tongue in cheek for the most part...but tell me how this penis envy justification thingie is any different from woman (stand by for gross generalization here) who constantly strive for that media approved body, clothes, shoes yadda, yadda, yadda? My observation is they do not do it to impress men, but rather their fellow woman peers. Clitoris envy anyone? Or merely human nature?????

to compete, not so much impress

Hitcher
6th May 2008, 08:49
Why isn't this phenomenum known as "Womanstruation"? Seems like a breach of the Fair Trading Act to me.

jrandom
6th May 2008, 08:51
I trust anything that bleeds for a week without dying only slightly more than I trust anything that I can blindfold with a shoelace.

inlinefour
6th May 2008, 08:52
What a lot of complete crap.


:wacko:

I agree with this statement and really appreciate seeing it before I read the first post fully. I got through the first paragraph and was wondering if she was on the rag when it was written.:jerry::devil2:

Swoop
6th May 2008, 09:04
...commercial brands such as John Wayne Tampons, Muhammad Ali's Rope-a-dope Pads, Joe Namath Jock Shields - "For Those Light Bachelor Days," and Robert "Baretta" Blake Maxi-Pads.)

Never happen. Where are the Smith & Wesson or Colt products?

avgas
6th May 2008, 09:19
I think the opposite would happen, not seen or heard off.
Like all the other mens problems out there........there is no voice.
What gets me is that while eating dinner (on this occasion a nice chunky tomatoe soup), watching the news, it seems perfectly ok for there to be a advert about "Pads" that "have wings for extra heavy flows".
WTF - thats unfair, and sickening.
So my revenge is this ladies, next time you sip nice and hard on that latte' at starbucks - just know that someone somewhere is wacking off into a cup and won't stop until it looks like steamy broth cum cup.
Oh and dont get me started on your moisturizer.

sinfull
6th May 2008, 09:31
Made it to the end of the first paragraph before i realised this woman is hurting !!!
Must be PMS
Never made it to the second !

Mully
6th May 2008, 10:32
Why isn't this phenomenum known as "Womanstruation"? Seems like a breach of the Fair Trading Act to me.

Not at all. Just something else they can blame on "men"

MIXONE
6th May 2008, 10:41
Not at all. Just something else they can blame on "men"

Well it is our fault!If we kept them barefoot and pregnant it wouldn't be happening.

Maha
6th May 2008, 10:46
I can do that!!!
Not out my dick of cause but wheres the rules that say thats the only way?

idb
6th May 2008, 10:53
As a middle-class white male I'm permanently wracked with guilt anyway.
I know it's all my fault ok???!!!

Skyryder
6th May 2008, 11:04
No one in this day and age realy belives that woman 'suffer' from penis envy.'

This is Fruedian theory and his ideas are so out of whack that no one in the field of phsycology takes his views serioully anymore.


Skysryder

007XX
6th May 2008, 11:14
This usual feminist finger pointing bores me tremenduously...regardless of whether it is tongue in cheek or not.

Disguising a "chip on the shoulder" by saying it is humour is one of the saddest attempts at a smart form of criticism in my views.

Bottom line is: we women have menses, men don't...Nature made it that way, so let's stop bitching about it. It sucks yes, but that's just how it is.

I wonder if I'm PMSing yet? :whistle:

Livvy
6th May 2008, 19:20
This usual feminist finger pointing bores me tremenduously...regardless of whether it is tongue in cheek or not.

Disguising a "chip on the shoulder" by saying it is humour is one of the saddest attempts at a smart form of criticism in my views.

Bottom line is: we women have menses, men don't...Nature made it that way, so let's stop bitching about it. It sucks yes, but that's just how it is.

I wonder if I'm PMSing yet? :whistle:
I'm not bitching, honest. I found it and thought it was funny - not because I believe it, I doubt it's meant to be taken seriously (but then again, this Gloria chick was a femininst personage), but thought it could raise some interesting ideas with the boys here!

Not my views, boys, I swear. Though I could imagine a few guys who might be like she describes if it did happen...

Oh and SixPack? No, I'm not lesbian. :bleh:

SixPackBack
6th May 2008, 20:32
I'm not bitching, honest. I found it and thought it was funny - not because I believe it, I doubt it's meant to be taken seriously (but then again, this Gloria chick was a femininst personage), but thought it could raise some interesting ideas with the boys here!

Not my views, boys, I swear. Though I could imagine a few guys who might be like she describes if it did happen...

Oh and SixPack? No, I'm not lesbian. :bleh:

Sorry sweetheart I just didn't get it??....the article came across as bitter and not particularly funny, a whiff of man hate was sensed hence the lesbian comment.

Livvy
7th May 2008, 07:39
Sorry sweetheart I just didn't get it??....the article came across as bitter and not particularly funny, a whiff of man hate was sensed hence the lesbian comment.
Eh, all good. I'm not a feminist, not a man hater, but yet still found this a funny sort of an idea. Not so much the whole thing, but some of the specific ideas I could relate to my guy friends who do boast, or do pay extra for brands - that sort of thing.

Let's face it, if I was a man hater, why would I be on this site? And come on, in all fairness, someone else posted up a link to that Dick Masterson or whatever his name is, the really anti-female guy, and I remember posts saying it was funny I'm sure where other girls found his views incredibly insultive.

It's all in the sense people take it. I'm sorry you found it bitter, I didn't post it up thinking it'd come across as so because to me, the message was a funny one. I can see why it's not funny now to some guys here, but I hear jokes all the time that take the piss out of girls (and me specifically frequently) and I don't find that offensive because I know it's not the view of the teller and it is meant purely as a joke which is how I meant this.

Men and women will always make jibes at each other... But it's not always serious.

Sofa
7th May 2008, 08:00
Eh, all good. I'm not a feminist, .

Really? There must be something that causes you to have a feminist view, even if just to a small extent..? I think that to an extent all women have feminist streaks in them... If it weren't for feminist views you probably wouldn't be able to vote today among other things.

I'm not saying that I'm a hard out feminist, but I think I definitely have a feminist streak when it comes to certain issues... :bleh:

Otherwise I thought tat is was pretty funny, but complete crap. And I'm sure she must have been being serious...:p

Livvy
7th May 2008, 08:10
Hmm, good point, you're probably right on the feminist view thing. Mine is not a strong one, which is why I thought this more of a pisstake than an attack really.

I mean, I'm looking at it from the view of a girl who's been attending a girls' only high school for the past four years and is in her fifth, and I was in the hostel of the school for the first three (so lots of jokes where men are the punchline, and lots of girls crying over their supposed broken hearts), but I am friends with many more guys than girls. I am also comparing what she says, not to guys the age here, but to my own age - 16 to 18 or 20, the ones who are trying to be impressive, showing off for girls.

Make a comparision of this to something like the Killer Beez... I could see them boasting to the TV about it IF it were something new. Women have dealt with it since forever so it's not something special, but were it to happen magically overnight, you might think that the younger generation might make it something to boast about.

But that's my thinking still.

CookMySock
7th May 2008, 08:43
That is one of the poorest-written pieces of persuasive writing I have ever read. It is completely littered with almost every type useless and glaringly obvious persuasion technique as to be laughable. Too bad the writer couldn't back up even ONE of the pieces of opinion that they mistakenly present as fact. Good grief.

If opinion is going to be voiced strongly, it should at least have some grounding in fact or logic, or else it's just a sad revelation revealing only what some poor crooked soul believes. Poor thing.

Yes it would be funny if it were not so tragic.

DB

SixPackBack
7th May 2008, 10:04
Eh, all good. I'm not a feminist, not a man hater, but yet still found this a funny sort of an idea. Not so much the whole thing, but some of the specific ideas I could relate to my guy friends who do boast, or do pay extra for brands - that sort of thing.

Let's face it, if I was a man hater, why would I be on this site? And come on, in all fairness, someone else posted up a link to that Dick Masterson or whatever his name is, the really anti-female guy, and I remember posts saying it was funny I'm sure where other girls found his views incredibly insultive.

It's all in the sense people take it. I'm sorry you found it bitter, I didn't post it up thinking it'd come across as so because to me, the message was a funny one. I can see why it's not funny now to some guys here, but I hear jokes all the time that take the piss out of girls (and me specifically frequently) and I don't find that offensive because I know it's not the view of the teller and it is meant purely as a joke which is how I meant this.

Men and women will always make jibes at each other... But it's not always serious.

No offence taken Livvy. We are all good:sunny::yes:

007XX
7th May 2008, 13:11
I'm not bitching, honest. I found it and thought it was funny - not because I believe it, I doubt it's meant to be taken seriously (but then again, this Gloria chick was a femininst personage), but thought it could raise some interesting ideas with the boys here!

Not my views, boys, I swear. Though I could imagine a few guys who might be like she describes if it did happen...

Oh and SixPack? No, I'm not lesbian. :bleh:

:laugh: My answer was completely tongue in cheek mate...read the last line of my post again.

And from the posts of yours I read in the past, I am quite certain you only thought it was funny. I guess my pisstakes can get a little obscure sometimes :o

Oh and SPB wishes every girl was a lesbian :innocent: :laugh:

idb
7th May 2008, 14:57
Even if we can't actually do it, I demand that it be acknowledged that we have the right to menstruate!!!

Maha
7th May 2008, 15:06
Oh and SPB wishes every girl was a lesbian :innocent: :laugh:

And I have the picture to prove it......;)
But its in my secret vault!

Edbear
7th May 2008, 15:17
And I have the picture to prove it......;)
But its in my secret volt!

You have a secret volt..? Are you secretly studying an alternative power source...? Will you let us in on it..?:cool:

Maha
7th May 2008, 15:20
You have a secret volt..? Are you secretly studying an alternative power source...? Will you let us in on it..?:cool:


Bling to you Ed ma' boy......picking up on that era....
I ment VAULT

Edbear
7th May 2008, 15:23
Bling to you Ed ma' boy......picking up on that era....
I ment VAULT


Ha ha! I could be horribly pedantic, but I'll leave that to Hitcher! I love the English language!:2thumbsup

Anyways, (just to tease the said Hitcher!), aren't you supposed to be at work..?;)

Maha
7th May 2008, 15:26
Ha ha! I could be horribly pedantic, but I'll leave that to Hitcher! I love the English language!:2thumbsup

Anyways, (just to tease the said Hitcher!), aren't you supposed to be at work..?;)

Well yes, and no.
Yes I should be at work, and no, because I have finished.
I will be working solo come the end of the month.....

SixPackBack
7th May 2008, 16:28
And I have the picture to prove it......;)
But its in my secret volt!

YES!....I am one sexy bitch:drool:

007XX
7th May 2008, 16:44
YES!....I am one sexy bitch:drool:

Nothing beats a bit of self love every now and then, eh? :D

Coyote
7th May 2008, 16:53
Oh and SPB wishes every girl was a lesbian :innocent: :laugh:
So all the guys have to turn gay to get any action?

I am also comparing what she says, not to guys the age here, but to my own age - 16 to 18 or 20, the ones who are trying to be impressive, showing off for girls.

If it wasn't for the uncontrollable need to impress girls, we'd all be sitting around waiting to die.

007XX
7th May 2008, 17:08
So all the guys have to turn gay to get any action?

Not sure...but you could try and see what happens! :rofl:


If it wasn't for the uncontrollable need to impress girls, we'd all be sitting around waiting to die.

That's so cuuute!!!! You'll grow out of it, don't worry! ;)

SixPackBack
7th May 2008, 17:14
Nothing beats a bit of self love every now and then, eh? :D

True. Jackie loves my self regularly and who can blame her?.....I am one sexy bitch:shit: