Have your say on motorbike safety in Queensland

[Ms Piggy]

Received this from a friend who rides in Aussie.

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Minister for Transport, Trade, Employment and Industrial Relations
The Honourable John Mickel
06/05/2008
Have your say on motorbike safety in Queensland
A consultation paper is being launched seeking public input into ways to
improve motorbike rider safety on the roads.

Minister for Transport John Mickel said 75 people died as a result of
motorbike crashes last year. He said Queensland Transport had launched the
paper to gather information on road safety issues facing riders.

"While motorbike riders are a relatively small proportion of road users,
they are over-represented in injury and fatal crashes,'' Mr Mickel said.

"Motorbike riders are four and half times more likely to be involved in a
crash and are 30 times more likely to be killed than other vehicle
drivers,'' he said.

The consultation paper outlines a number of proposals and gives the
community the chance to suggest ways to improve motorbike safety.

The consultation process will close on Friday, May 30.

Proposals in the consultation paper include:

introducing practical pre-learner training, requiring a person to complete
an off-road basic motorbike handling course before being granted a
learner licence

introducing a separate moped licence


improving rider safety through protective clothing or clothing to
increase visibility to other road users


reducing the number of dormant licence holders


improving road conditions for motorbike riders.


Copies of the consultation paper can be obtained at

www.transport.qld.gov.au/motorbike_safety or by phoning 3253 4910.

Ministerial contacts: Shannon Mackay 3237 1125

May 5, 2008

[BadCompany]

If you drive a car, your aware of the risks. If you ride a bike, your aware of the risks.

Whats the difference?
Am I missing something?

Maybe the thing we should be focusing on, is the car drivers awareness? How many times have you been cut off? How many times has someone indicated and immediatly changed lanes in front of you?

[dangerous]

75 people died as a result of
motorbike crashes last year. He said Queensland Transport had launched the
paper to gather information on road safety issues facing riders.

Having lived there I would have thought that 75 was kinda low... hell Mt Glorious takes out a 1/4 of that on its own.

Id like to know the stats on the sort of bikes that they are diying on ie: scooters, tourers, sports... in town or on the open rd.

[dipshit]

Am I missing something?

Yes,

"While motorbike riders are a relatively small proportion of road users,
they are over-represented in injury and fatal crashes,''





Maybe the thing we should be focusing on, is the car drivers awareness? How many times have you been cut off? How many times has someone indicated and immediatly changed lanes in front of you?

BS.. The the single biggest killer of motorcyclists, is motorcyclists losing control of their bikes and failing to take corners etc.

The longer motorcyclists keep denying this simple fact and continue to blame "fucking changes" or the "stupid roads", the longer the carnage and poor statistics will continue... until inevitably the authorities will do something about it to save us from ourselves.

[dipshit]

Id like to know the stats on the sort of bikes that they are diying on ie: scooters, tourers, sports... in town or on the open rd.

Doesn't "hell Mt Glorious takes out a 1/4 of that on its own." give you some clue ? :sherlock:

[dangerous]

BS.. The the single biggest killer of motorcyclists, is motorcyclists losing control of their bikes and failing to take corners etc.


Na... I dont believe that, check out the stats... most are killed by colision other cars etc, mostly cars pulling out. But yes the biker may have been speeding... Id say SFA deaths are due to "motorcyclists losing control of their bikes and failing to take corners" they usually just get a hell of a hiding.
This is why I said Id like to see the QLD stats.

[onearmedbandit]

Yes,




BS.. The the single biggest killer of motorcyclists, is motorcyclists losing control of their bikes and failing to take corners etc.

The longer motorcyclists keep denying this simple fact and continue to blame "fucking changes" or the "stupid roads", the longer the carnage and poor statistics will continue... until inevitably the authorities will do something about it to save us from ourselves.



Na... I dont believe that, check out the stats... most are killed by colision other cars etc, mostly cars pulling out. But yes the biker may have been speeding... Id say SFA deaths are due to "motorcyclists losing control of their bikes and failing to take corners" they usually just get a hell of a hiding.
This is why I said Id like to see the QLD stats.


:corn::corn::corn::corn::corn::corn::corn::corn:

[BadCompany]

Yes,
BS.. The the single biggest killer of motorcyclists, is motorcyclists losing control of their bikes and failing to take corners etc.

The longer motorcyclists keep denying this simple fact and continue to blame "fucking changes" or the "stupid roads", the longer the carnage and poor statistics will continue... until inevitably the authorities will do something about it to save us from ourselves.

How often are we in the position to be taking a corner fast enough to cock it up?

I've been cut off, or hit by more cars then corners I've cocked up. And I use my bike as sole transport and for weekend rides.

Why do we need to save us from ourselves? If we are losing control of our bikes, we must be giving it a bit off stick. So we know we are taking a risk in the first place, so In the end don't we just have our selfs to blame?

[dipshit]

Na... I dont believe that, check out the stats... most are killed by colision other cars etc, mostly cars pulling out. But yes the biker may have been speeding... Id say SFA deaths are due to "motorcyclists losing control of their bikes and failing to take corners" they usually just get a hell of a hiding.

See...
http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/NewPDFs/Motorcycle-Crash-Factsheet-July-07.pdf


Particularly this bit...
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86444&d=1203415414

Between 2002 and 2006 165 motorcyclists were killed on NZ roads.

The biggest killer was... Lost control / run off road, 50.

Next was Intersections with 42.

Then Head ons with 41.

Australian stats have been very similar to NZ's

[dipshit]

How often are we in the position to be taking a corner fast enough to cock it up?

You will find when you move up from your 250, that it can be as often as you like. :msn-wink:

[Big Dave]

clothing to
increase visibility to other road users


Compulsory dress like a lollipop is on the way.

[dangerous]

Between 2002 and 2006 165 motorcyclists were killed on NZ roads.

The biggest killer was... Lost control / run off road, 50.

Next was Intersections with 42.

Then Head ons with 41.

Australian stats have been very similar to NZ's

Thats Dorkland stats mate... we know beter down here :devil2:


Compulsory dress like a lollipop is on the way. Like fuk it is...

[dipshit]

Thats Dorkland stats mate... we know beter down here

I think you'll find they are New Zealand stats.

[BadCompany]

See...
http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/NewPDFs/Motorcycle-Crash-Factsheet-July-07.pdf


Particularly this bit...
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86444&d=1203415414

Between 2002 and 2006 165 motorcyclists were killed on NZ roads.

The biggest killer was... Lost control / run off road, 50.

Next was Intersections with 42.

Then Head ons with 41.

Australian stats have been very similar to NZ's

Well I stand corrected then.


You will find when you move up from your 250, that it can be as often as you like. :msn-wink:

It can be as often as I like now, but traffic doesn't always allow it when riding to and from work. Which was sort of the point I was trying to make. But I see statistics have me beat.


Compulsory dress like a lollipop is on the way.

Then not only will I have to dress like a lollipop at work, I'll have to do it while going to and from work? Fuck that.

[dipshit]

It can be as often as I like now, but traffic doesn't always allow it when riding to and from work.

But not everybody in New Zealand lives in Auckland or Wellington.

[BadCompany]

But not everybody in New Zealand lives in Auckland or Wellington.

Not everyone, but a lot do.

[dangerous]

I think you'll find they are New Zealand stats.

I know... I was once again taking the micky out of the Dorkland mob, they love it ;)

[twotyred]

Compulsory dress like a lollipop is on the way.

If the fascists make a barbi dress code compulsary here then thats it for my road riding...

[PirateJafa]

The biggest killer was... Lost control / run off road, 50.

Next was Intersections with 42.

Then Head ons with 41.

If I read that right, wouldn't that would be 83 killed by cars and 50 killed by themselves?

I haven't heard of any motorcyclists killed at intersections by other motorcyclists, and motorcyclist vs. motorcyclist head-on collisions are, thankfully, quite rare.

[dipshit]

If I read that right, wouldn't that would be 83 killed by cars and 50 killed by themselves?

If you run wide on a left-hand corner and clip/run smack into an oncoming car, it isn't the car's fault.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86444&d=1203415414

Overall, 75% of fatal motorcycle accidents are the fault of the motorcyclist.

[PirateJafa]

Statistics. At the end of the day, they are damn near always inaccurate to some degree, and can be twisted to suit any point of view.

[Boob Johnson]

If you run wide on a left-hand corner and clip/run smack into an oncoming car, it isn't the car's fault.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86623&d=1203488144

Overall, 75% of fatal motorcycle accidents are the fault of the motorcyclist.
Mods do an IP search on this clown, I bet it matches Katman's PC :bash:



Statistics. At the end of the day, they are damn near always inaccurate to some degree, and can be twisted to suit any point of view.
Exactly

[dipshit]

Statistics. At the end of the day, they are damn near always inaccurate to some degree, and can be twisted to suit any point of view.

You mean like what you tried to do just before?

[Boob Johnson]

You mean like what you tried to do just before?
No what YOU did before ;-)




ps: pull ya head in clown :girlfight:

[dipshit]

No what YOU did before ;-)


Just proves that your average motorcyclist is as thick as shit.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=86444&d=1203415414

Where it says... "As well as those shown in the “Lost control / run off road” category in the table above, about one third of head on crashes are result from a rider losing control of their motorcycle."... ends up being interpreted in thick as shit Johnny motorcyclist's brain as "accident with car... cars are bad :weird: ... there should be better education for car drivers".

[scumdog]

How often are we in the position to be taking a corner fast enough to cock it up?

I've been cut off, or hit by more cars then corners I've cocked up. And I use my bike as sole transport and for weekend rides.

Why do we need to save us from ourselves? If we are losing control of our bikes, we must be giving it a bit off stick. So we know we are taking a risk in the first place, so In the end don't we just have our selfs to blame?

Gotta admit most of my arse-puckering riding moments were self created.

And bugger all of the fatal crashes I've been two have involved more than the bike that crashed.

But hey, no doubt there are a few crashes totally caused by inept/blind/stupid/drunk drivers, we all know that - and sadly some of them take out more than one biker with a single crash.:weep:

[scumdog]

motorcyclist vs. motorcyclist head-on collisions are, thankfully, quite rare.[/SIZE]

We had at least two in the South Island in the last 6-7 months that I know of so they can't be THAT rare.

[dangerous]

motorcyclist head-on collisions are, thankfully, quite rare.

We had at least two in the South Island in the last 6-7 months that I know of so they can't be THAT rare.

Now why is that?

[McDuck]

Now why is that?

Because scumdog asked work, he cheated.

[scumdog]

Because scumdog asked work, he cheated.

Read about those two in the papers :nya:- (so there could have been others I never noticed)

And Dangerous probably heard of them too.

[Swoop]

"A licence to ride a moped"...

Hmmm.

[mazz1972]

Back to the Queensland stats etc....

We just spent two weeks on the Gold Coast and Sunshine Coast.

At least half of the bikers we saw were wearing shorts, t shirts and shoes. Almost no bikers wore gloves, and didn't see anyone with fluoro vest. So I wouldn't be at all surprised if many of the deaths would have been avoided if the rider was wearing adequate safety gear.

Overall I was very surprised at how few people we saw riding bikes considering the size of the population.

It was awesome to visit the bike shops over there though, heaps more bikes than here, far more demo models available, and they really really really want you to go for a test ride (as they get to ride with you). This is the biggest bike shop I've ever seen www.sunstatemotorcycles.com.au

[dangerous]

Now why is that?


Because scumdog asked work, he cheated.

No.. I meant "why are bikers hitting head on" it bafles me cos the roads generaly 8m wide a bike at 1m wide x 2 means 6 bloody meters left... and besides that thers a thing called a center line.






"A licence to ride a moped"...

Hmmm.
a good idea.. even them bloody stupid day glow electric scoots get along at speed, I watch school kids on them and they have no idea, death traps waiting to happen.

[Laxi]

hate to resurect an old thread, but its interesting that since may 2008 queensland changed its lisencing rules, you can no longer get a learners 1 day, do a q-ride course the next and get your full, but so far this year there have been 17 motorcyclists killed on north queensland roads alone, when you look at where these happen (5 kuranda ranges, 7 cook highway, both near cairns) you have to realise a patern, they are tourist areas and a lot of accidents are caused by people un familiar with the roads (both bikers and cagers) I had 2 close calls on the cook highway myself with cars on the wrong side of the road, it happens a lot, there is also a culture with bikers there of "keeping up with the jonses" the kurandas are the local race track on weekends (sound familiar?) queensland still has a long way to go on motorcycle safety

[scumdog]

Having lived there I would have thought that 75 was kinda low... hell Mt Glorious takes out a 1/4 of that on its own.

Id like to know the stats on the sort of bikes that they are diying on ie: scooters, tourers, sports... in town or on the open rd.

And what sort of protective gear they wore - apart from the usual sneakers, shorts and singlet of course...:pinch:

[Pixie]

I don't ride in Queersland:crazy:

[CookMySock]

Apologies quoting an old post;


The biggest killer was... Lost control / run off road, 50.Can't steer? brain locks up?


Next was Intersections with 42.What percentage was bike fails to give way, and what percentage was the car? It's easy to say it was all the cars' fault.


Then Head ons with 41.Can't steer? brain locks up?

First is either too fast, or rider inexperience. Second is, well, a crash - thats how crashes happen. Last is, again, too fast or rider inexperience.

The way I see it is, it's just too damn tempting for a newbie to speed on a bike. The immediate rewards are enough for many to ignore the consequences.

So what to do? Government sponsored training and trackdays for restricted license holders, larger (exorbitant) fines for speeding on learner and restricted licenses, "steer or die" messages for bikers ?

Steve