Flatmate trouble

[MGST]

This is a bit of a read, but have a laugh at my expense on this Sunday morning, and then vote and add comments.

I live by myself, and I've got a big mortgage, work 7 days a week, so I thought I'd rent out the spare bedroom to help the cash flow. Add on TM, some sheila rings up, comes to look ( turned up late - I should have known then that she was trouble ) and says ok. Turns out she's Brazilian ( don't get carried away, she got a real good dose of the ugly stick ), and you can't even have a reasonable conversation with her cos her English is piss poor. Anyway, we move all her gear in ( 15 April 2008 ), and I ask her to sign the standard rental / tenancy papers ( off the Government website ), pay bond etc, THEN she tells me she is here on visitors permit and that runs out 25 May 2008, so if she doesn't get a job by then and a work permit, she will have to leave the country, so she doesn't want to sign etc until she knows what she is doing. I nearly told her to fuck off right there and then.

Anyway, things go reasonable for the first week. I go shopping every Saturday morning straight from work ( 8am ). I tell her on Friday night if she wants to go shopping this is when I go, she is welcome to come and I can come home from work and pick her up and go to the shops. Shes says yes, and 8am is no problem. So I get home 8am, shes eating some vegan bird seed shit and drinking Christ knows what, no where near ready. 15 minutes later she wanders out, no sorry for keeping you waiting or anything.

She washes ( in cold water I find out later on ) her daytime dishes ( shes unemployed remember ) after lunch sometime, but leaves my 1 breakfast bowl and 1 spoon. WTF? Then she leave the dishes out on the bench and fucks off. I come home from work to find a bench full of allegidly ( sp? ) clean ( you can't hygenically clean dishes in cold water ) dishes all over the bench. So I put them all away so I can use the bench to start on dinner ( small benches, its a 2 bedroom unit ). I told her that night when she got home if she is going to wash the dishes, dry them and put them away straight away.

One day I get home from work and put the washing on, and sit down for a few minutes before I have to start on dinner, and start watching World Sper Bikes from Assen. The washing machine starts doing its thing, and then empties the water, and I think "that doesn't sound right". Sure enough, 1 inch of water all over the floor and increasing fast, cos the stupid bitch has, for some reason she couldn't even explain later when I blew the fuck out of her, moved to drain out of the sink and left it hanging down the back of the machine!! Fuck I was SSSSSOOOOO WWWWWIIIILLLLDDDDILD!!!! :angry2: :angry2: :angry2:

Just before she came, I had spent every Saturday and Sunday for a month rotary hoeing my lawn, pulling out the tree roots, skredding it, and levelling it. After she had moved in, I was still levelling the last bit and then planted grass seed. She has seen my doing it and even commented on it a few times. On Tuesday just gone, some lowlife drops her home at 6:30pm and she steps out of the car and proceeds to stand there and watch him start to drive on it to turn around. I was doing the dishes ( properly, in hot water ) at the time and the kitchen looks out onto the driveway. Well I started shouting and screaming and swearing out the window to "get the fuck off my lawn NOW!!!" :angry2: :angry2: So theres 2 tire tracks for about a metre in my nice new lawn, and cos it has been raining the last 2 weeks the ground is soft and the car has squashed it down about 4 inches. Fuck I was SSSSSOOOOO WWWWWIIIIILLLLLDDDDD :angry2: :angry2: :angry2:
She comes in the door and I say "Who is that moron?" She says " don't worry, life is too short to worry about things like that" That floored me, and I was so wild I didn't know what to say.

She was not born in a tent, rather I think she was born in a cave, cos in the whole time she has ben here ( too fucken long!! ) she has never opened a window. Thankfully she is out for most of everday, I don't know hwere and I don't care where. So I open the house windows, and the windows in her bedroom so the place can air out. When it get dark at night I go around the house and shut the windows and shut the curtains, her room included. Most nights she doesn't come home until well after dark, around 6:30 or 7pm. Sometimes if the washing is not quite dry by the next time I need the line, I put the clothes in the dryer to finish off. Once her shirts etc were still damp too so I just threw the whole lot ( mine, hers, towles etc ) in the dryer. She also has a habit of leaving her towel folded up on the towel rail. It will never dry when it is folded up so I open it out so it can dry. I provide the linen BTW.

Anyway the point of this thread is: this morning I get home from work and there's a note on the floor in the hallway. It reads exactly:

"Andrew
Please, don't open the windows, or close the curtain in the room I have rented. Even, don't touch in my belongings ( clothes...) and the towel I have used. Even, don't open the door of the room I have rented ( if I leave it closed ). Please, don't put the chain if I go out ( I never know if I will come back or not ).
Thanks, Valeria."

Well FUCK THAT. Who the fuck owns the house here? Nobody, but NOBODY, especially some worthless immigrant, tells me what to do in my own house!!:mad:

I don't want the house to go moldy (sp? ) and stale, so I open the windows. When she doesn't come home till all hours, I close the curtains. I have never touched any of her stuff. I put her clothes in the dryer once. What the fuck is the problem with me touching the towel? I open the door for the same reason as the windows, and I always have my bedroom door open so it's not like I'm asking het to do things I don't. I can understand the chain on the door, but it would be nice it she told me when she goes out if she at lest thinks she might or might not be coming home before daylight the next morning. She doesn't want me to go into her room even to shut the curtains, but she expects me to let her use my computer in my room. Well that just finished! I'm getting fucking aggrevated!!:angry2:

So, please vote on what you think I should do. She is out now ( again ) so I can't blow her up right now. Incase I can't get the pole to work, here are the options;

1: Lay the law down, and then tell her to FUCK OFF, effective within 48 hours
2: Lay the lay down, but let her stay until the 25th when she has to leave the country
3: Let it go, but then tell her to FUCK OFF anyway, effective within 48 hours
4: Let it go, and let her stay, its only another 14 days.

[ynot slow]

Ithink you've answered your question,it's YOUR home,YOUR rules,YOUR OUT.

[Virago]

Mate, I'll be brutally honest here.

I think you're just a bit too set in your ways (borderline anal), to take in a stranger as a flatmate like this.

Get her out as soon as you can, and try to find someone that you know (and can trust) to flat with you.

[kiwifruit]

You're just not cut out for the flatting thing :lol: (neither am i B.T.W)

[MIXONE]

Until you have owned a house of your own you just do not appreciate things the same.I have oicked option 2 but would resort to option 1 the next time she steps out of line.
Even if she hit every branch on the way down after falling out of the ugly tree there are still plenty of kbers who would come around and hit it for you.:lol:Invite a few of them round to give her the once over and it might encourage her to fuck off all on her own.

[kevfromcoro]

well if its worying you...chuck the cunt out...
i got the same thing here.......asain shellia..wont wash my dishes..and yet i do hers....bla bla...
wish we could do something about these immigrants...
BTW... my problem is a bit more serious......
like $$$$$$$$$$$$$...

[Mikkel]

I'd say kick her arse out today...

Alas, if she has paid her bond and signed the lease you're stuck with her under the NZ tenancy laws. :(

Crappy flatmates suck!

[jonbuoy]

Your too uptight to have flatmates, no flatmates ever treat the place like it "theirs". FWIT so am I these days. Only time flatting is good is in a big old house when everyone signs the tenancy agreement, everyone around the same age and all sociable. Flatting in a small unit like that with a stranger will never work. You do sound like the landlady from hell, going into someones room to open a window is an invasion of their privacy. She's probably bitching to all her mates about the psyco from hell ranting on at her for being 15minutes late to go shopping and not unfolding her towel on the towel rail - seriously??!! You haven't had a flatmate from hell yet trust me! Just a girl fresh out of home and not used to doing things around the house. No wonder she doesn't come home till its dark - too scared you'll chew her out for leaving crumbs in the butter or something equally petty.

[timaruIP]

Everyone knows what you should do, you knew before you spent half an hour on the internet bitching. I doubt you will kick her out. An if you do summon up the courage one drunken afternoon it would be a polite email.

Harden the fuck up.

[MGST]

Well I'd like to agree with most of you here.

Virago, I probably am too set in my ways. I have been living bemyself for the last 2 1/2 years, but I knew I would have to make some allowances, but this is just ridiclous.

Kevfrocoro, I'm only doing it for the $$$ too. I was quite happy by myself, and after this, I doubt I ever have another flatmate, the extra $$ isn't worth the hassle.

Mikkel, Not signing the papers was the first thing that pissed me off, and I pointed out to her that if she doesn't sign I could throw her out with no warning. So I can throw her out now and she has got no comeback

Jonboy, she isn't rough with the place, and she's not fresh from home either. She's travelled all over the world, and has been flatting with kiwis her for the last 5 months. Shes in her late 20's early 30's, so should be able to grasp the concept tha a wet towle will not dry if left folded up. That's basic shit that you would expect ( maybe ) to have to tell a teenager whose Mum has wiped their arse their whole life, not an adult. I don't want a shitfight with you, but how the hell is going into the room and opening the window or closing the curtains, an invasion of her privacy??

[owner]

lawn:clap: towel:clap:15mins:clap:dishes:clap:
Dude have you ever lived with anyone?

[Virago]

Best thing to do is treat this as a failed experiment. Not her fault, not yours.

Get rid of her and move on.

Good luck.

[Mikkel]

In that case - have a chat and let her know that if she doesn't sort her shit out (effective immediately) she'll have to do it somewhere else.

As she said - life's too short for this kinda shit!

[MGST]

lawn:clap: towel:clap:15mins:clap:dishes:clap:
Dude have you ever lived with anyone?

Dude, the lawn thing is a total lack of respect for other people's property
the towel thing is just plain think
the 15 mins thing is a total lack of respect for other people
and the dishes thing is just thick too.

The way I see it, she's thick and got no respect.

And no I haven't lived with people other than my family, and after this I won't be ever again either! Bacholar for life!

[SlashWylde]

1: Lay the law down, and then tell her to FUCK OFF, effective within 48 hours


It's your house bro, therefore your rules. She's a space cadet and she aint gonna improve so you might as well cut your losses and get rid of her ASAP.

You have the benefit of being in the position of choosing your flatmates, so choose wisely and don't be so accomodating - trust your instincts about a candidates character.

[McJim]

Where's the option or sell the house and buy one you can actualy afford?

[MGST]

Where's the option or sell the house and buy one you can actualy afford?


I can get by working 2 jobs 7 days a week. I can't get by with 1 job 5 days a week. It was going to be some extra cash to save up to make a lump sum payments now and again.

I didn't initally have this big a motgage, the house was leasehold when I bought it cos that's all the $$ the bank will lend a single person. The crowd that owns the freehold dicided to give everyone who had a leasehold section the option to freehold it, and those that weren't sold were listed on the open market. So I had to by it cos who knows what kind of investment shark would buy it and then jack up the ground rent price or tell me to "please remove your house from our section". My half of the section cost 50% more than the house, so that adds up to over $350K mortgage, on one income cos there's just me, no girlfriend, wife etc.

[MGST]

It's your house bro, therefore your rules. She's a space cadet and she aint gonna improve so you might as well cut your losses and get rid of her ASAP.

Thank you very much. My sentiments exactly.

[k14]

Sorry to tell ya mate but first sign you had of anything semi uncomfortable you should have told her to pack her bags. I've already had 2 bad run ins with flatmates. Don't ever give them the benefit of the doubt. One wrong move and kick them as far as they can go. Even if its a gut feeling, just do it. You won't regret it.

[Qkchk]

You sound like your very well domesticated :love:- Why hasn't any woman scored you? Not many men out there like that :dodge:


If she hasnt signed anything, kick her out! Next she will be doin a 'bonds worth of damage' to your house then what?

[Pussy]

Just trying to think of a nice PC bit of advice.... found it!! Fuck her off out of it

[scumdog]

the towel thing is just plain think!

Lighten up a tad - have YOU ever flatted??

A bit of direct communication both ways would go a long way.

And who suffers if her towel is left folded and damp?
You?
Her?

[Livvy]

MGST - I'm a 17 year old girl going flatting and I know exactly how frustrating flatmates can be. My first flat, when I was 16, I was treated like shit by the people I lived with (who were all about 30), even though I did my very best to keep them happy. Now, I'm living with a family friend, whom has some Asian students as well - she and I get along great, but the Asian students piss me off no end with the little things they do (eg, never open THEIR curtains, don't clean their hair off the bathroom bench) and I understand why people can be calling you anal, but I understand!

But however law states you have to give her at least a month or something notice to find a new flat, but I do agree with you - she's pissing you off, tell her to get out.

[scracha]

Get a dishwasher and a heatpump :2thumbsup

Seriously, you need to either lighten up or find a flatmate who's better suited to living with you.

Not signing the tenancy agreement thing is a good thing for you as she basically has no rights so you can give her the boot anytime you like.

[stify]

funny the things that piss ya off bout flatmates....finding myself in a flatting situation after many many years of having house's and mortages... for me it's a HUGE culture shock getting used to other peeps habits etc... get another flattie and try again...good luck

[jonbuoy]

Flatting is wierd - you meet people for half an hour or so next minute your living with them. I wouldn't move in with my best mate - we wouldn't be best mates for long if we did flat. If your the landlord you'll always end up being the "dad".

[Trudes]

There's a reason I don't have flatmates... I'm so anal about how I like my living space and unless I can train someone to live with me, they can't!

It's fair enough that you like to have your house fresh smelling, your lawn nice and your towels not dank and stinky, good on you for having some pride in your things. Tell her that this is why you do these things and if she doesn't like it she can hit the road. Oh and as for her washing only her dishes (in cold water...ewwww!) and leaving your bowl and spoon... WTF!!! My hubby's ex-flatmate used to do that too, geezus, how petty!

[Biggles2000]

Does she pay her rent on time? If yes then she is a good tennent.

You have to grow some hair on your ass and accept that not everyone can live by your standards. I bet if you asked her she would also not be happy with the situation, her note is a bit of a give away of this.

If you have a formal tennancy contract with her you will probably have to give her 3 months notice, otherwise she can take you to the tennancy tribunal. If she is just a flatmate you can give her the boot whenever. Check what the 'out' clauses in the contract says. You will find that she is entitled to somthing called "undisturbed tennancy" as the landlord if you even go into her room uninvited you are probably in breach of the contract.

[FROSTY]

so that adds up to over $350K mortgage, on one income cos there's just me, no girlfriend, wife etc.
Bro I'll be blunt -$350k morgage on a 2 beddy --thats just rediculous.
My morgage is $300k and my house is 3 beddy double gargre and a semi self contained flat.
If ya need to work 7 days to cover the morgage maybee its time to look elsewhere.
Oh and I answer -just ask her to leave. It aint worth the agro carrying on

[Spuds1234]

If she didnt sign any papers, put her stuff on the driveway/footpath, change the locks, and say what Ive never seen you before in my life when she shows up.

Hell put her stuff infront of the neibours house just to really confuse things. Then you can say "Are you sure you didnt live over there?"

[Owl]

It seems to me that you both have completely different expectations. You want someone to pay the rent and live by your rules, while she wants to pay rent with an expectation of privacy and independance. You should have pointed out your expectations to her before she moved in. I wouldn't like a stranger going into my room whenever they felt like it and that is effectively what you are. Your house or not! You may have completely legitimate and innocent motives, but from her perspective "It's not normal" and it isn't.
On the other side, I actually agree with you in terms of respect. I'd be highly pissed over the lawn incident too.
My advice would be to tell her you've read her note, can see where she's coming from, but that's not going to work for you because blah blah blah and may be a good idea if she finds another place to live.
Then don't get another one!

[Toaster]

Sounds like having a brazilian is a hairy experience.

[jonbuoy]

If she didnt sign any papers, put her stuff on the driveway/footpath, change the locks, and say what Ive never seen you before in my life when she shows up.

Hell put her stuff infront of the neibours house just to really confuse things. Then you can say "Are you sure you didnt live over there?"

Yeah that'll learn her to go traveling and see what NZ and NZ'ers are like. If you kick her out when she's only got three weeks to go just for telling you politely to stay clear of her underwear draw, you really will be king of the :tugger:'s And this "worthless immigrant" probably speaks one more language than you.

[Spuds1234]

Yeah that'll learn her to go traveling and see what NZ and NZ'ers are like. If you kick her out when she's only got three weeks to go just for telling you politely to stay clear of her underwear draw, you really will be king of the :tugger:'s And this "worthless immigrant" probably speaks one more language than you.

You do have a point.

Personally I would lay down the hard word. Tell her to shape up or ship out. Regardless of whether or not she has 14 days left.

I would rather my sanity than 14 days living in perceived hell.

[CM2005]

Well FUCK THAT. NOBODY, especially some worthless immigrant, tells me what to do

right on. sounds like a problem alrite.

[Steam]

Yeah, MGST, sorry, but you sound like you've never had flatmates before. If what she is doing is getting your goat then you should count you blessings you never went flatting!

I could tell you some hair-raising stories about my old flatmates and places I've lived, crazy crazy times....
Stories I could tell include:
Suicide attempts, drugs, baths full of blood, police, dogs, dirt, babies, rooms full of rotting food, sinks full of mouldy dishes, illegal free electricity and gas, sex-workers, hippies, asbestos, people living in the shed and attic, and heaps more.

[Colapop]

Your house, your rules. She's out. Effectively right now. She has not signed any agreement, is not pulling her weight or effectively contributing. She gets two words (I'm being generous) "Fuck off" You could even help her by leaving her shit outside. Because someone is a flatmate that does not give them the right to be a cunt (even though they may have one)

[crazefox]

Your house, your rules. She's out. Effectively right now. She has not signed any agreement, is not pulling her weight or effectively contributing. She gets two words (I'm being generous) "Fuck off" You could even help her by leaving her shit outside. Because someone is a flatmate that does not give them the right to be a cunt (even though they may have one)

yeah you tell her col:bash:

[MGST]

You sound like your very well domesticated :love:- Why hasn't any woman scored you?

Probably because I work too much and am too tired to ever go out to somewhere where I may meet a lady :(

I like my house tidy, a place for everything, and everything in it's place. That's why I got a female rather than a bloke, I thought more chance of them being domesticated, or at least half way there! But sadly no....

[MGST]

Not signing the tenancy agreement thing is a good thing for you as she basically has no rights so you can give her the boot anytime you like.


Yeah, that is about the only thing she has done right!!

[MGST]

There's a reason I don't have flatmates... I'm so anal about how I like my living space and unless I can train someone to live with me, they can't!

It's fair enough that you like to have your house fresh smelling, your lawn nice and your towels not dank and stinky, good on you for having some pride in your things. Tell her that this is why you do these things and if she doesn't like it she can hit the road. Oh and as for her washing only her dishes (in cold water...ewwww!) and leaving your bowl and spoon... WTF!!! My hubby's ex-flatmate used to do that too, geezus, how petty!

I tried to tell her this afternoon when she came in, and explain why I open the windows etc etc, but she just walked off. So, she made the decision for me, shes GONE. Told her out by Tuesday evening, no ifs, ands, buts, or maybes.

[Nasty]

I have not taken the time to read all the responses .. mainly cos I am a landlord and know the rules. Rental agreement or not there is a minimum .. but if she agrees to move out earlier that is her choice. Personally I would have killed her after the first week .. but that is me ...

About going into her rented room .. that is where I think you did cross the line ... I try not to unless it is essential ... and in our case that means i need access to under the house ...

Good points for looking for a housemate ... ask the right questions .. do you open windows, when you live here these are the jobs you need to help with ... that sorta shit ... do you wash to hot water ... get on the same wavelength .. also ask for references ... the first question to ask someone else is would you live you them again!

[GIXser]

good way to get rid of her..... get barred up in the morning and knock on her door, and ask her if she would mind giving ya a bit of head, before ya nosey of to work.... by the time ya get home shell be long gone..:)
just make sure you have a mate staying , for the day so she wont take of with all ya shit,

either way the story will be good---
good luck

[Dafe]

Bin her. Surely you could find a KB'er keen for a flat.

[MIXONE]

Yeah, MGST, sorry, but you sound like you've never had flatmates before. If what she is doing is getting your goat then you should count you blessings you never went flatting!

I could tell you some hair-raising stories about my old flatmates and places I've lived, crazy crazy times....
Stories I could tell include:
Suicide attempts, drugs, baths full of blood, police, dogs, dirt, babies, rooms full of rotting food, sinks full of mouldy dishes, illegal free electricity and gas, sex-workers, hippies, asbestos, people living in the shed and attic, and heaps more.

Did we use to flat together?:blink:

[Forest]

I tried to tell her this afternoon when she came in, and explain why I open the windows etc etc, but she just walked off. So, she made the decision for me, shes GONE. Told her out by Tuesday evening, no ifs, ands, buts, or maybes.

Be careful. In my experience there's a good chance that you're going to get ripped off.

If I was you I would change the locks. So that when she moves out, she does so under your supervision.

[Curious_AJ]

I'm anal about people touching my stuff.. but clothes and towels etc are fine. just as long as it's not personal stuff or my books without my permission.. in saying that, she's one bloody weird chick... and you're well within your rights to be pissed off. stick it to the girl and if she doesn't pick up her act, then kick her out!!

[Weaver]

The fucken nerve of the bitch telling you to stay out of a room in YOUR house. Tell her to fuck off

[Mikkel]

If she didnt sign any papers, put her stuff on the driveway/footpath, change the locks, and say what Ive never seen you before in my life when she shows up.

Hell put her stuff infront of the neibours house just to really confuse things. Then you can say "Are you sure you didnt live over there?"

Or you could just sell your own "new stuff" on TM ;)


Yeah, MGST, sorry, but you sound like you've never had flatmates before. If what she is doing is getting your goat then you should count you blessings you never went flatting!

I could tell you some hair-raising stories about my old flatmates and places I've lived, crazy crazy times....
Stories I could tell include:
Suicide attempts, drugs, baths full of blood, police, dogs, dirt, babies, rooms full of rotting food, sinks full of mouldy dishes, illegal free electricity and gas, sex-workers, hippies, asbestos, people living in the shed and attic, and heaps more.

Yes, I agree with the sentiment that if this was a student flat MGST would be an anal and intolerant flatmate. However, this is a slightly different situation.
He's renting out a room in HIS OWN HOUSE - not sharing the cheapest accomodation available with likeminded fellows. I think it is entirely reasonable to have higher expectations than that!

On the other hand, I agree that he should have picked up on his gut feeling from square one and never let his current tenant move in... Your gut feeling is almost always right - and it's usually worth being wrong whenever it isn't...


Be careful. In my experience there's a good chance that you're going to get ripped off.

If I was you I would change the locks. So that when she moves out, she does so under your supervision.

Paranoia - it's just a word THEY invented! :rolleyes:

[Owl]

The fucken nerve of the bitch telling you to stay out of a room in YOUR house. Tell her to fuck off

So if you rented a house, you'd be quite happy if the landlord let themselves in anytime they liked and had a wander around? After all, it's their house!

[Steam]

So if you rented a house, you'd be quite happy if the landlord let themselves in anytime they liked and had a wander around? After all, it's their house!

I was going to say the same thing. And the fact that there was no lease is immaterial. Money is being paid for a room. It's called an implied contract, and that kind of contract is often tested and found to be valid in court in tenancy disputes.

If the hairy Brazilan wanted to push her rights in the tenancy tribunal or courts she might have a case. Of course, she won't, and good riddance to her, but she could if she wanted.

[crazybigal]

kick the bithch out!
and tell he in her own words "life is too short to wory about things like that"
She is going to be an overstayer soon is she not? so who cares about all the legal crap.
I have had overseas flatmates when we lived in queenstown, its just the way they are, their culture.

[karla]

..........Anyway, we move all her gear in ( 15 April 2008 ), and I ask her to sign the standard rental / tenancy papers ( off the Government website ), pay bond etc, THEN she tells me she is here on visitors permit and that runs out 25 May 2008, so if she doesn't get a job by then and a work permit, she will have to leave the country, so she doesn't want to sign etc until she knows what she is doing. I nearly told her to fuck off right there and then. .....


Pray that she is telling the truth about leaving on 25th May. Seems to me that she very well may not be .... you may find it a bit hard to get rid of her.

Good luck, I dislike flatmates, I don't even like living with anyone except my family actually, I'm far too anal retentive (and I don't like damp towels either, or un-pulled curtains for that matter). Never settle for less! ~ Short term guests are far more fun, maybe you could offer the room to a travelling salesman or something like that?

[Sparky Bills]

So if you rented a house, you'd be quite happy if the landlord let themselves in anytime they liked and had a wander around? After all, it's their house!


Was thinking the same thing.
Its a tough one alright. But as people have said. You sound very set in your ways. Why would you let a complete stranger move in when im sure you know your the way you are??
Im not saying theres anything wrong with the way you are, but come on...!

[eviltwin]

walk around the house naked...

situation (a) she blows you... now even if she isn't the prettiest thang on the planet, you get to shoot her in the eye and you don't go to jail

situation (b) she fucks off in disguist at the sight of your wobbly bits

it's a win win situation.

[Tank]

Id get her drunk, shag her 10 ways to Sunday.

I know that won't help with the flatting issues you are having, but you sound a little uptight and I think a lay will do you the world of good.

Your welcome!

Uncle Tank.

[DingoZ]

No signed agreement, means she has no comeback to you, unless everything was explained in the first instance verbally.

Out the door she goes...:)

Ask her to leave, if she refuses, trespass is an option

[inlinefour]

Id get her drunk, shag her 10 ways to Sunday.

I know that won't help with the flatting issues you are having, but you sound a little uptight and I think a lay will do you the world of good.

Your welcome!

Uncle Tank.

I'd say that he needs to get pissed also if she is a brazillian bushpig or is it packing something else between the legs?

NEVER GONE TO BED WITH AN UGLY WOMAN, BUT IVE WOKEN UP WITH A FEW. :argh:

Sad but true, most of them didnt even mind that I couldnt remember their name. Although some quick thinking while hungover was required if they started talking about coming back again...:whistle:

[Nasty]

No signed agreement, means she has no comeback to you, unless everything was explained in the first instance verbally.

Out the door she goes...:)

Ask her to leave, if she refuses, trespass is an option

No signed contract means that she is covered by the law under an implied contract ... which means the minimum cover normally.

[DingoZ]

No signed contract means that she is covered by the law under an implied contract ... which means the minimum cover normally.

Not necessarily. Similar situation happened in Aucks to a mate. No tennancy agreement was signed, and nothing was verbally agreed upon except for the amount of the money per week and expenses. The (renter),does not have the right to refuse any resonable request from the person who owns the property. If the home owner requests the person to leave, for whatever reason then they can stipulate a time frame that they wish them to be gone by, and then if no compliance, the other person can then be trespassed. In this situation the home owner, has access to any and all areas of their property at any time, for whatever reason.

If upon first moving in, or in the period immediately following the verbal acceptance, and condidtions are verbally imposed, such as splitting costs for maintenance, or a standard of cleanliness is requested, and the person then does not comply. Then it can become a matter for civil dispute...Not a tenancy tribunal, they do not handle disputes between flatmates (or between shared accomadaters)...

You are only protected by the tenancy laws if you have signed an agreement. Anything else is a matter for civil dispute

[jonbuoy]

kick the bithch out!
and tell he in her own words "life is too short to wory about things like that"
She is going to be an overstayer soon is she not? so who cares about all the legal crap.
I have had overseas flatmates when we lived in queenstown, its just the way they are, their culture.

:rofl: Damn you guys crack me up - fucking red neck self superior hillbillies. The two worst flatmates I ever had were kiwis. Shes leaving the country in two weeks so obviously no plans to be an overstayer.

[MGST]

So if you rented a house, you'd be quite happy if the landlord let themselves in anytime they liked and had a wander around? After all, it's their house!


If the roles were reversed I wouldn't have a problem with them coming in and opening windows when they're home and I'm out, or closing curtains etc. As long as they don't touch my stuff, no worries. It is their house, and their rules, and if I didn't like it, I can either put up with it or leave. Simple as that. And if I didn't keep the place tidy etc I would expect a rocket.

She doesn't want me to go into her room to open 2 miserable windows, but expects me to let her use my computer in my room. Take take take, but no give?

I don't touch any of her stuff. I am not doing or expecting anything of her that I would not be prepared to accept myself. Do unto others as you would like them to do to you.

Anyway, I told her yesterday to hit the road by Tuesday night, so hopefully I can sleep in clean fresh tidy peace on Tuesday.

[scumdog]

Anyway, I told her yesterday to hit the road by Tuesday night, so hopefully I can sleep in clean fresh tidy peace on Tuesday.

Did you explain to her WHY?

[Usarka]

Exactly the reason that if i go flatting again it wont be with the house owner.

You can't think "my house my rules" AND expect to have a flatmate.

They are called boarders. Perhaps you should advertise as such.....

[Joni]

Exactly the reason that if i go flatting again it wont be with the house owner.

You can't think "my house my rules" AND expect to have a flatmate.

They are called boarders. Perhaps you should advertise as such.....I kind of agree with you on this one!


especially some worthless immigrantGood God...Maybe you should also stipulate "No worthless immigrants welcome".... in that advertisement as well.

Some open and honest communication with your next boarder should be had, so you both know where you stand and what the expectations are...

This thread is a nice friendly reminder of why I have never "flatted" before... I would sincerely suggest you think about your ability to share your home with another before you go out looking into again.

[Forest]

Paranoia - it's just a word THEY invented! :rolleyes:

I'm not paranoid.

I've just learned that hell hath no fury like a woman scorned

[MGST]

Did you explain to her WHY?

When she came in on Sunday afternoon, I started to try and expain to her why I do things like open windows etc etc, and I did it with an open mind and to see what her reply was. I had barely even got started and she just turned around and walked off!! So that was it, she made the decision on whether she stays or goes for me, and hence I implemented it.

I didn't just throw her out cos I'm a mean bastard, I gave her a chance, and looked past a few things that pissed me off, but everybody's got a limit, and she found mine.

[MGST]

This thread is a nice friendly reminder of why I have never "flatted" before... I would sincerely suggest you think about your ability to share your home with another before you go out looking into again.

Same here, but never imagined it would be this bad. I don't think I will be inviting anyone to share my home again, unless I know them well and its only short term cos they're in a jamb.

[Owl]

If the roles were reversed I wouldn't have a problem with them coming in and opening windows when they're home and I'm out, or closing curtains etc. As long as they don't touch my stuff, no worries. It is their house, and their rules, and if I didn't like it, I can either put up with it or leave. Simple as that. And if I didn't keep the place tidy etc I would expect a rocket.

She doesn't want me to go into her room to open 2 miserable windows, but expects me to let her use my computer in my room. Take take take, but no give?

I don't touch any of her stuff. I am not doing or expecting anything of her that I would not be prepared to accept myself. Do unto others as you would like them to do to you.

Anyway, I told her yesterday to hit the road by Tuesday night, so hopefully I can sleep in clean fresh tidy peace on Tuesday.

My comment was not a dig at you dude! I hope it all goes well and you get a satisfactory outcome.

[MGST]

My comment was not a dig at you dude! I hope it all goes well and you get a satisfactory outcome.

Don't worry I didn't take it as you having a go.

I just wanted to make it clear that I am not some kind of wierd freak who expects things of someone that I wouldn't except myself. I am just treating her as I would expect someone else to treat me in these circumstances.

[Owl]

It's Tuesday. Has she gone?

[peasea]

Get a gun and shoot the fuck.

[gijoe1313]

Burn her! Burn her and the donkey she rode into town on! Run her up a tree and make like a Pinata! Roll her in tar and then feathers!

[MGST]

She's gone alright. 3:30 yesterday afternoon ( Tuesday ). Didn't try and rip me off, probably thought better of it ( I took the day off work to make sure, and to make sure she left ). So it's back to domestic bliss by myself. The experience didn't kill me, so I guess it will make me stronger, and certainly more wise and careful. But alas, there will not be a next time, for me it is just not worth the hassle. Live and learn.

[karla]

She's gone alright. 3:30 yesterday afternoon ( Tuesday ). Didn't try and rip me off, probably thought better of it ( I took the day off work to make sure, and to make sure she left ). So it's back to domestic bliss by myself. The experience didn't kill me, so I guess it will make me stronger, and certainly more wise and careful. But alas, there will not be a next time, for me it is just not worth the hassle. Live and learn.

Good time to give an unwanted cat a home, they like spare rooms. :)

[McDuck]

I would not have picked that outcome, you seemed to have done well in geting her out. She must have knowen that she was on her last step...

[gunrunner]

Since she hasnt signed an agreement anyways and you can prove what she has and hasnt done you could just ask her to leave:bash: