Arrogant SOBs

[The Joka]

:innocent:Just thought that I would point out something to everyone that commutes down the N.W. and Southern Motorway!

YOU ARE ARROGANT! :argue:

Due to a series of unfortunate circumstances I found myself in the flatmates car stuck on the motorway during rush hour last night. :mad:

Being the nice guy I am! :innocent:

I started moving over and giving bikes more room to get past.. Expecting to see a hand gesture of thanks, if not everytime from one or two of the riders.

More and more bikes came and I continued moving over further and further for them.

NOT ONE SINGLE THANKS - must have been 10+ bikes!

I got to the point I wanted to move over into your way, so just imagine how people that dont ride every other day to work feel!

A simple hand gesture would earn a lot more respect from the few drivers that do see us and get out of the way, you dont even have to take your hand off the handlebars.

As you have just gone past move your hand to a more upright position in a wave movement!

Surely the more cars we have moving out of way the better, would be nice not to piss them off! :2thumbsup

[ManDownUnder]

I know what you're saying, and agree but to say everyone on the NW is arrogant is a tad hypocritical - not to mention a circular reference...?

Back to the intended post - agreed. I say thanks to those I notice pulling over for me but suspect a combination of tunnel vision, concentration and riding into the sun (or after dusk) limits my abilities to see those that pull over.

I say this because I've been pulled over by our very own NodMan a couple of times and have no idea where he was sitting, despite him confirming he was plainly visible under an overpass or similar.

[Katman]

I agree to a point but lane splitting on a motorway is not the place to be lessening the control you have over your bike by waving every time a car driver moves over.

But I, for one, am sick and tired of constantly hearing on here the term "fucking cagers". It's an attitude that we need to loose in order to make the road a safer place for us all.

[Usarka]

fucking cagers

[timorang]

Good post.

Wherever possible if a driver makes a deliberate move to accommodate me or make room I will wave and/or toot. I also provide a wave to the car in the front of the queue that I have pushed in front of. The latter is not always appreciated but I also ensure I do not then impede their subsequent progress (an excuse to drag from the lights). On the open road most bikers seem to acknowledge if you make room, why does this not happen in the commuting traffic?

Suck in the attitude and acknowledge other road users. Courtesy can be contagious - try it.

[Guided_monkey]

I agree with Katman. I transit the NW morning and evening. I end up filtering most up until Lincoln Rd where then traffic suddenly opens up.

Putting my hand up in recognition would be nice but is not good whilst filtering.

[ghost]

Dude, I move over and let bikes have a wide berth to get passed, i get a few waves from people, thats cool, but if you had to wave to all people who pulled over and gave you room, you wouldnt need the motorway to get to work cos you would be flapping about 5 meters of the ground.......cool, flying bikes....

[Katman]

I agree with Katman.

People aren't going to like you now. :msn-wink:

[vifferman]

I actually agree with Katman too (the bit about not lessening control/concentration while lanesplitting). I don't lanesplit very often, but it takes a lot of concentration. If you're kind enough to move over, well, just bask in the warm fuzzies of knowing you've helped a fellow biker out. If you were hoping for more than that, too bad. You'll get over it. And maybe someone will extend the same courtesy to you when you're lanesplitting.

[Mikkel]

I would like to acknowledge each and every driver who goes out of his/her way to make traffic flow more efficiently - be it moving over so I can squeeze by on my bike or just not holding other people up... (the nap at the green lights, running the orange lights preventing people from turning right, etc.)

That said, it can be quite hard to distinguish between people who are actively moving over to give you room and those who just keep 'as far left as is safe' as they are supposed to. And as Katman said, taking your hands of the handlebars is not often prudent in heavy traffic.

On the other hand - unless people go out of their way to block you off there should be more than adequate space anyway.

[Metalor]

I tend to wave to people if they move over to give me a bit more space... then once I get home I have a big masty about how thoughtful that person was! Really gets me off...

[slick]

The other thing worth remembering is if you regularly commute on the same route at the same time you are probably going to be passing the same people every day. It can pay in the long term to acknowledge someone if they make an effort to get out the way.

[nodrog]

is this a waving thread?

[Big Dave]

But I, for one, am sick and tired of constantly hearing on here the term "fucking cagers". It's an attitude that we need to loose in order to make the road a safer place for us all.

Me too - I think it's a stupid term - I'll just say 'f*cking pricks in cars' from now on.

[Big Dave]

YOU ARE ARROGANT! :argue:

I always say thanks - if I can. More often with a bow of the hat.

[Luckylegs]

is this a waving thread?

No, It's a weaving thread. Since we will all be riding with no hands...

Seriously though, a wave can be difficult at times but I always try to "Gesticulate" in some way when I do notice someone intentionally move.

[nodrog]

No, It's a weaving thread. Since we will all be riding with no hands...

Seriously though, a wave can be difficult at times but I always try to "Gesticulate" in some way when I do notice someone intentionally move.

i usally stand on the seat and spank my arse to show my appriciation, giddy up :blink:

[fizbin]

I filter along the NW everyday.
While i do try and by try i mean to say when it is at all poss while not endangering my self, or other motorests, i do try to make some gesture of thanks.
However you have to take into account the amount of new riders that are about with the current gas prices. If a rider is like myself and not yet overly confident on the bike then it would be stupid to risk thanking people and de-stabalising the bike.
Also i agree with another poster on here it is oftern hard to tell who is pulling over and who is not.

[Luckylegs]

...it is oftern hard to tell who is pulling over and who is not.

Not directed you Fizzy, just occured to me when reading your post.

...Interesting that we arent always sure whether a car "moving away" from us is doing it on purpose and therefore whether they are worthy of thanks (if we agree we should thank em at all) yet, if a car is "moving towards" us we assume they are either a. doing it on purpose (Theyre wankers or f'in cagers) or b. They are incompenant..............

Just a thought, Im going back under my rock now

[Big Dave]

i usally stand on the seat and spank my arse to show my appriciation, giddy up :blink:

And what do you do when you are on a motorcycle?

[nodrog]

And what do you do when you are on a motorcycle?

complain about people in cars that dont wave when i let them past.

[Edbear]

No, It's a weaving thread. Since we will all be riding with no hands...

Seriously though, a wave can be difficult at times but I always try to "Gesticulate" in some way when I do notice someone intentionally move.

That's a big word for this time of day!:blink:


complain about people in cars that dont wave when i let them past.

Quick response!:clap:

I always try to give room to lanesplitters if in a car or truck. Never crossed my mind to notice whether they acknowledged me or not... I'd just say don't sweat the small stuff.:calm:

[Gwinch]

More often than not I'll not wave as I prefer to keep both hands on the handlebars for safety reasons.

I'm reluctant to take my right hand off the bar because a) engine braking as I have the bike at higher revs than I usually would for the speed to make my bike more audible and b) I want my front brake covered damnit. Call me sensible.

I'm a nodder.

[Luckylegs]

...I'm a nodder.

Im a screamer !

.... Oh damm, wrong forum :o:

[Disco Dan]

does it matter what kind of wave? :whistle:

[Swoop]

I try and show some appreciation to tin-top's if they move over. A quick left hand up into the air, but not too far from the grip.

[Morcs]

in tight traffic, at the rate I move I deem it a stupid idea to wave.

Of course If a cage gives me room, I usually think it must be by accident. Most cut us off.

I always wave or nod at bikes who get out of my way however.

And I always wave to cars on the open road that move over.

[CookMySock]

Due to a series of unfortunate circumstances I found myself in the flatmates car stuck on the motorway during rush hour last night. :mad:feeling a weee bit frustrated are we ? :baby: LOL


DB

[PrincessBandit]

I try and show some appreciation to tin-top's if they move over. A quick left hand up into the air, but not too far from the grip.

Yep, me too. While it's nice to be acknowledged when we're considerate to others, and a nice gesture to acknowledge their consideration, it's not always possible. Maybe we all need to grow up a bit and realise that riding/driving courteously should be a matter of course, not expecting thanks from others when we display our manners. Obviously if it's not endangering anyone by communicating our pleasure or appreciation then why not, but it's a tad precious to get knickers in a knot over it.
p.s. I always acknowledge car drivers who move across to let me pass on the open road, just a little lift of the open left hand. (Bikes never move over for me 'cos i'm slower than them!) And I've had other bikes lane split up to a set of lights beside me and show no acknowledgment at all that they've just invaded my space, then take off with a great hiss and roar. Bikers can be just as rude as the next person on the road.

[FROSTY]

in tight traffic, at the rate I move I deem it a stupid idea to wave.
But walking pace is plenty safe dude:shutup:

[FROSTY]

Actually a personal lil dream of mine was to get a bike like a RF900 and replace the HUUGE tailight with a red LED setup.
Then if someone does something cool ya hit a button-and Thank you comes up in LED's when ya fan the brakes. of course it also lets ya be less er--complimentary

[Ragingrob]

I wave when I can do so safely, which is a bit tough splitting on the motorway in Auckland... Doesn't take much for someone to change lanes in front of ya. I am actually very surprised at how many people purposely block me when I'm cruising slowly between the lanes, like full on just move over and sit in front of me!

[idb]

Shouldn't it be "Arrogant S'sOB's"?

[Morcs]

But walking pace is plenty safe dude:shutup:

Not through traffic. :2guns:

Though im walking pace compared to how i used to split...

[Maha]

Its just an Auckland thing, nothing out of the ordinary really...
As for the 'Cagers' term?.... even those with cars, go on and on about 'cagers'. I just dont get it...:crybaby:
Is it the caged in thing?.... why not just say 'fucking Sabaru drivers' as they cause all the grief dont they?

[Big Dave]

Actually a personal lil dream of mine was to get a bike like a RF900 and replace the HUUGE tailight with a red LED setup.
Then if someone does something cool ya hit a button-and Thank you comes up in LED's when ya fan the brakes. of course it also lets ya be less er--complimentary

http://www.allwaze.co.nz/text_buckles.htm

[mashman]

Actually a personal lil dream of mine was to get a bike like a RF900 and replace the HUUGE tailight with a red LED setup.
Then if someone does something cool ya hit a button-and Thank you comes up in LED's when ya fan the brakes. of course it also lets ya be less er--complimentary

When filtering/splitting i usually use my fingers to signal thanks or otherwise... whilst the purists of you may consider a thumb not to be a finger, please feel free to extend your middle finger and point it at yourself... from me to you ...:girlfight:, but I generally give a thumbs up (where i have control) and extend the "bird" (as the americans call it) when mightily miffed...

It is nice to be nice, but as so many have pointed out, it's not always possible, as any small gesture causes a shift in balance and that's pretty dangerous in a sea of metal...

[Dave_G]

So. How many of you who don't want to acknowledge someone who does move over for you coz "its not safe", find that it safe to "wave" when a driver does something to piss you off????

[Katman]

So. How many of you who don't want to acknowledge someone who does move over for you coz "its not safe", find that it safe to "wave" when a driver does something to piss you off????

Sshhh. It's not cool to point out hypocrisy on here. :msn-wink:

[Ragingrob]

So. How many of you who don't want to acknowledge someone who does move over for you coz "its not safe", find that it safe to "wave" when a driver does something to piss you off????

Maybe it'll teach them a lesson, so that they will not piss you off in the future, i.e. you are really making it safer for the biking community so it's worth it.

Either that, or the next biker they see they will run down oops! :innocent:

[Katman]

Either that, or the next biker they see they will run down oops! :innocent:

And there's always a good chance that this will be the opinion chosen.

[fizbin]

So. How many of you who don't want to acknowledge someone who does move over for you coz "its not safe", find that it safe to "wave" when a driver does something to piss you off????

hmm you raise a good point! haha guilty as charged:spanking:

[The Joka]

feeling a weee bit frustrated are we ? :baby: LOL

Hell yes! my usual 15-20min ride turned into 1hr+ saga!

Who said anything about taking your hands off the handlebars.. Lift your fingers (more than 1) on either side and it is more than noticable.

Think big picture people.. Wave today could keep that person moving out of the way, and not in the way.


So. How many of you who don't want to acknowledge someone who does move over for you coz "its not safe", find that it safe to "wave" when a driver does something to piss you off????

Enuf said! :2thumbsup

[jonbuoy]

Its a bit needy to expect people to wave at EVERY car that moves over for them on the motorway, filtering is dodgy in rush hour - best to keep both hands free for the bike. I just move over because it makes things easier for the biker - not for the wave.

[The Pastor]

:innocent:Just thought that I would point out something to everyone that commutes down the N.W. and Southern Motorway!

YOU ARE ARROGANT! :argue:

Due to a series of unfortunate circumstances I found myself in the flatmates car stuck on the motorway during rush hour last night. :mad:

Being the nice guy I am! :innocent:

I started moving over and giving bikes more room to get past.. Expecting to see a hand gesture of thanks, if not everytime from one or two of the riders.

More and more bikes came and I continued moving over further and further for them.

NOT ONE SINGLE THANKS - must have been 10+ bikes!

I got to the point I wanted to move over into your way, so just imagine how people that dont ride every other day to work feel!

A simple hand gesture would earn a lot more respect from the few drivers that do see us and get out of the way, you dont even have to take your hand off the handlebars.

As you have just gone past move your hand to a more upright position in a wave movement!

Surely the more cars we have moving out of way the better, would be nice not to piss them off! :2thumbsup
I lane split too fast to take my hand off the bars.

[buellbabe]

As for the 'Cagers' term?.... even those with cars, go on and on about 'cagers'. I just dont get it...:crybaby:
Is it the caged in thing?.... why not just say 'fucking Sabaru drivers' as they cause all the grief dont they?

OI! don't dis my choice of car! he he he
That reminds me of something I saw yesterday (involving a WRX and a coppa that didn'y have a shit show of catching it) but never mind...

Showing appreciation?
Yep! if a car driver is obviously creating space for me to cut thru heavy traffic then I will give them the 'biker nod' as I go past or if its safe to do so will give them a wave. Then everyone gets those warm fuzzy feelings and the world is a better place bla bla bla.

That said, when ever I am in my car I ALWAYS move over for bikes and very few of them have ever acknowledged it but so what? I know I made their journey home a bit easier/less stressful and maybe they will think more kindly about F**king Subaru drivers in future... he he he

[90s]

More often than not I'll not wave as I prefer to keep both hands on the handlebars for safety reasons.

I'm reluctant to take my right hand off the bar because a) engine braking as I have the bike at higher revs than I usually would for the speed to make my bike more audible and b) I want my front brake covered damnit. Call me sensible.

I'm a nodder.

+1 on the nodding when splitting.

There is no way I will take one hand off the bars when using the old 'fourth lane'.

[ambler]

I mostly agree with Katman too. I'm not going to wave for every car down the line that moves over a bit for me, especially surrounded by cars in rush hour with a narrow bit of road to use. It's not that I'm not grateful, I just don't think it's such a big deal, moving over a bit whoopdedoo.
On the other hand if someone clearly goes out of their way to help me out (ie. they inconvenience themselves when they didn't have to) I will make every effort to let them know I appreciated it.
Ideally this kind of trivial courtesy should be such a matter of course thing that we hardly mention it, but I guess NZ is not like that yet. Over the coming years I hope having more bikes on the roads will head us in that direction.

[The Joka]

I lane split too fast to take my hand off the bars.

Well you are what I like to call a temporary New Zealand!:bleh:

[Alive]

Dude you think you have it bad... giving way to 10 bikes and not getting a thank you....

What about those of us who travel the Gt Nth Rd, NW, Northern every day on a bike, overtaking hundreds of cars and being lucky if 1 a day actually moves over for them.

I give a nod to people who move over a little for me but to be honest I'm too busy looking for the cage drivers that I see everyday changing lanes without indicating or that 1 "fucking cage driver" a week that pulls out in front of me that I usually have to brake heavily or manoeuvre quickly to avoid hitting.

So to you I give my heart felt thanks for being that 1 cage driver a day to give me enough room to get past :rockon:

[Number One]

hmmm so what about the car drivers who purposely block. Lots of arseholes in Welly do...

I have only kicked in one car in my time and that was purely to stop him running me off the road (btw - I wasn't splitting I was in the right hand lane taking it easy and right beside him) but just lately there seems to be more of it happening....is this because we aren't acknowledging them when they do move over?

Dunno and don't really care but I'm considering going back to wearing my MX boots with the nasty metal toecaps again....

I always try to give a quick wave or salute for those that do move over....but then I ain't splitting at 100 miles an hour either so don't feel concerned about 'control' as I feel pretty capable of piloting my bike at low speed with one hand off the handle bar for what probably doesn't even amount to a full second to give acknowledgement where it's deserved.