Wave brakes for VTR250?

[humphrt]

Hey there,

i was wondering if anyone knew what new(ish) sports bikes which you can get wave discs for had 296mm disc size? I was originally going to fit a twin disc set-up from a CBR250RR but figured why add extra weight. And of course nobody makes wave discs for a VTR250 so i was wondering what bikes parts may be interchangeable.

[FilthyLuka]

Hey there,

i was wondering if anyone knew what new(ish) sports bikes which you can get wave discs for had 296mm disc size? I was originally going to fit a twin disc set-up from a CBR250RR but figured why add extra weight. And of course nobody makes wave discs for a VTR250 so i was wondering what bikes parts may be interchangeable.

Could you post your disk dimensions up? Total Diameter, Carrier Diameter, Disk Diameter (this one doesn't really mater, you can make an adapter for more meat), Number of Mounting Bolt Holes, Diameter Between Bolt holes (center to center)

Is it full floating?

[Katman]

According to my brake catalogue the only other bike that shares that same disc is the 250 Hornet.

[humphrt]

Could you post your disk dimensions up? Total Diameter, Carrier Diameter, Disk Diameter (this one doesn't really mater, you can make an adapter for more meat), Number of Mounting Bolt Holes, Diameter Between Bolt holes (center to center)

Sorry im new to motorbikes. How do i measure this stuff?

If there arnt any discs which match perfectly diameter-wise then is it possible to fit different sized discs?

[NOMIS]

ive been told hornets and vtr disk size is the same not to sure on that so don't quote me.

I want a twin disk set up I don't like the brakes on my bike compared to other bikes I have ridden, Any one no the exact effect braided lines would have on them?

[humphrt]

Yeah but you can't get wave discs for a Honda Hornet 250 or VTR250 because they are the same discs.

If you want to got with a twin disc set-up then steal the front wheel off a CBR250RR and a second caliper. But then you are adding weight which is why i'm trying to get the same effect while reducing the weight by adding a wave disc and braided line and sintered pads.

[JimO]

if you want to save weight stop eating pies....MMMMMMMMMpies

[RantyDave]

And of course nobody makes wave discs for a VTR250
Yyyyyyyeah. Tell me again why you want them? Have you considered braided lines?

Dave

[humphrt]

I wanna stop faster(without the use of a brick wall).
How much difference does braided lines make?

[xwhatsit]

I wanna stop faster(without the use of a brick wall).
How much difference does braided lines make?
Will wavy discs help that? I thought it was just for looks?

Replacing standard rubber lines with braided lines reduces that classic `hydraulic-y' feel of hydraulic disc brakes. You know, that spongy disconnected feel. Cable drums are much nicer in feel, but apparently they're no good :bleh:

Braided lines improve the feel and make your WoFs living hell :P

[Sully60]

Will wavy discs help that? I thought it was just for looks?

Replacing standard rubber lines with braided lines reduces that classic `hydraulic-y' feel of hydraulic disc brakes. You know, that spongy disconnected feel. Cable drums are much nicer in feel, but apparently they're no good :bleh:

Braided lines improve the feel and make your WoFs living hell :P

Wavy disc actually dissipate heat in a more efficient manner than round ones and much less likely to warp when they are hot like the garden variety round ones, but if you're braking hard enough to do that on the road you really need to check your style.

The braided line thing can be a hassle if you don't use the factory made dot approved ones, the bikeshops should only sell you the right things if you say it's for a roadbike.

My suggestion humphrt is that you first get the calipers serviced so you know they not holding back the brake pistons then you experiment with different pads once you get the braided lines, sometimes this can be all it takes to get a really good increase in braking performance.

[humphrt]

Wicked, thanks for the advise guys.


Now off topic, how do you harden suspension, does it just need a service too? It just seems a little spongy for a "sports"bike.

[imdying]

Any one no the exact effect braided lines would have on them?Just change the feel.

if you want to save weight stop eating pies....MMMMMMMMMpiesGood advice :yes: (no offence to any fatties reading this)

I wanna stop faster(without the use of a brick wall).
How much difference does braided lines make?Won't stop you faster... unless you're more confident in applying the brakes because of teh change in feel.

Will wavy discs help that? I thought it was just for looks?Yep, just for looks.

Replacing standard rubber lines with braided lines reduces that classic `hydraulic-y' feel of hydraulic disc brakes. You know, that spongy disconnected feel. Cable drums are much nicer in feel, but apparently they're no good :bleh:Yep, can do, although new oem rubber lines feel very similar, as do the low expansion rubber ones.

Braided lines improve the feel and make your WoFs living hell :PImprove, that's subjective. I prefer the feel of a rubber line to a braided line, YMMV.

Wavy disc actually dissipate heat in a more efficient manner than round ones and much less likely to warp when they are hot like the garden variety round onesNot true.

My suggestion humphrt is that you first get the calipers serviced so you know they not holding back the brake pistons then you experiment with different pads once you get the braided lines, sometimes this can be all it takes to get a really good increase in braking performance.But this is. Service the brakes, I would put money on the fact that they're neglected. Strip and rebuild the caliper, new pads, fresh fluid, will make a world of difference.

/edit: You should add some more information to your profile (age etc), somebody might offer to help you service your braking system if they've some idea of who they'd be dealing with.

[Cajun]

i can concur with imdying about braided lines i personally don't like them either

I have made low expansion rubber hoses made up by local brake/clutch store.

Brake lines should be replaced every 4-5 years according to manual anyway.

[humphrt]

/edit: You should add some more information to your profile (age etc), somebody might offer to help you service your braking system if they've some idea of who they'd be dealing with.

As long as people dont automatically say oh look he's only 21 he cant be a real biker he'll only be a hoon :spanking:

That seems to be the general reception that alot of us youngn's recieve, not saying thats what your doing but whether by our own fault or not its wat seems to happen.

Notice im trying to get the brakes/suspension working properly not build a turbocharged/nitrous/boyracer heap of s**t

[007XX]

I wanna stop faster(without the use of a brick wall).
How much difference does braided lines make?

My VTR's got braided lines, had them when I bought her. I like how they make the braking feel, especially on the track. But I think it would really come down to a personal preference on that one. Try bikes with and without, maybe?




Braided lines improve the feel and make your WoFs living hell :P

Sorry, but I've never been given any grief at all for my WOFs.


As long as people dont automatically say oh look he's only 21 he cant be a real biker he'll only be a hoon :spanking:

That seems to be the general reception that alot of us youngn's recieve, not saying thats what your doing but whether by our own fault or not its wat seems to happen.

Notice im trying to get the brakes/suspension working properly not build a turbocharged/nitrous/boyracer heap of s**t

We've all been 21 at least once (some chicks apparently are 21 for a good 10 or so years :p).

So, relax...most people on here are pretty cool. Just ignore those who aren't.

[humphrt]

Ok well it looks like i'll get my brakes serviced and then i may look into braided lines just to see how they go. And maybe sintered pads if i feel the need for more stopping power. Wicked thanks for all the input.


We've all been 21 at least once (some chicks apparently are 21 for a good 10 or so years ).

So, relax...most people on here are pretty cool. Just ignore those who aren't.

Cool thanx.

[imdying]

As long as people dont automatically say oh look he's only 21 he cant be a real biker he'll only be a hoon :spanking:That will happen, but don't worry, that just makes it easier to spot the people to ignore :)

But I think it would really come down to a personal preference on that one.:yes:

Sorry, but I've never been given any grief at all for my WOFs.You shouldn't do with the correct lines, the WOF manual is clear enough on what is acceptable and what isn't.

Ok well it looks like i'll get my brakes serviced and then i may look into braided lines just to see how they go. And maybe sintered pads if i feel the need for more stopping power. Wicked thanks for all the input.Just start with servicing them, not need to spend money if you don't need to :)

Best place to start is removing the caliper and stripping it down. Once that is the way it should be, you'll have a good base to start from :)

[007XX]

:yes:
You shouldn't do with the correct lines, the WOF manual is clear enough on what is acceptable and what isn't.
Just start with servicing them, not need to spend money if you don't need to :)


Aaaaahhh, ok...cheers for that! :niceone: And yes, I do have nice lines, thank you! :innocent:

[xwhatsit]

You shouldn't do with the correct lines, the WOF manual is clear enough on what is acceptable and what isn't.

Every few weeks here you hear people whinging about how they've changed the requirements yet again and now they have to do their lines again.

Nevertheless I second the rebuilding/unseizing of calipers; marked increase in efficiency after doing that. Given a winter or two, they seem to own themselves pretty quickly.

[imdying]

Every few weeks here you hear people whinging about how they've changed the requirements yet again and now they have to do their lines again.About 18 months a go they changed the rules twice in a year. Once with the new rules, then once again to make them clearer. You really should have no trouble, especially if you're using a bike shop.

[FilthyLuka]

And yes, I do have nice lines, thank you! :innocent:

#mumble mumble# Not to do with technical stuff #mumble mumble# too amused by the comment to bin the post #mumble mumble#

Huh? wuh?! As you were!

:third:

[geoffc]

Hi. I have fitted wavey discs on the front to my VTR1000 recently. They are good and look cool but I would only recommend a change if you have an issue with the old ones as I did, (warped). In the past have spent money on the fitting of braided lines (very little difference)and recently have quality brake pads. Of the above it was the sintered pads that made the real difference. Highly recommend that. Makes a huge difference. Also changing your brake fluid every 2 or 3 years prevents brake fade and general spongyness so don't overlook that. Cheers.