Neck brace: Did it save me?

[Buddy L]

Well as you may have read i was at the Broxey training day on monday.
Only for the VIP:whistle:

And i had a rather heavy tumble.
(working on our corning at the time)

I was getting better and smoother with every pass.
So with James and Peter on the side of the track, watching and having a bit of a chin wag. I thought i would try the corner at high speed....
look at me, look at me,look at me

I was travelling at high speed (almost about to go back in time),
and i was extremly late on the breaks, so late that i went plowing into the 2 foot bearm of the corner.
(if i gassed it, i would have just jumped the bream):weep:

And go supermaning over the handle bars, landing head first on the grass.:crazy:
with my helmet taking the full impacked, and transfering the force onto the neck brace, which in return spread the force over the body armour and over my shoulders, i was able to stand up and shake off the crash.
Although a little dizzy at first, within a few minutes i was back on the bike and able to carring on with the rest of the day.
Only other damage was i smashed my helmet visior as well.

Two days on and my neck, shoulders and ribs are all stiff and sore.
Could bearly lift a sheet of 9mm MDF today:angry2:.

Before i go riding again, ill invest in another neck brace for sure.
Ill have a look at the eva's one, when they are in store.
I highly recomend one, if your into riding a off road motorcycle of any sort.

[R6_kid]

heh, you're pretty good at wrecking yourself bro! Good to see the gear worked and glad your all good apart from the muscle pain - might pay to get checked out anyway?

[FlangMasterJ]

Looks like it did the trick.

I'm sold.

[barty5]

i would be buying another helmet as well if it took the impact.

[jimmy 2006]

true, i didn't even think about the helmet impact.
it was into quite soft grass, but his head hit first then his feet went over his head. it looked really really nasty.

[cooneyr]

I've found out first hand what can happen if you don't have a neck brace. I went into a ditch after a hidden corner on the Rainbow Road and went over the handle bars. Left leg caught the handle bar which made me do a somersault and I whacked my head on the ground. When I came to a stop I was seriously winded (couldn't breath) but once I was over that wiggled the fingers and toes to make sure all was well. Long story short - got choppered out to Nelson Hospital and turns out I cracked my C1 vertebrae i.e. the very top vertebrae. Bloody lucky to be alive and had to spend the next 6 weeks 24/7 in a SOMI brace (only reason I didnt get a HALO was cause they thought I'd cracked my shoulder blade).

Cheers R

[DrewBroadley]

http://www.uihealthcare.com/topics/medicaldepartments/orthopaedics/somibrace/images/somi5.gif

It's like a leet neck brace for everyday life! No more worries when you trip over the cat...

[jimmy 2006]

so your ok now though buddyl?

i think i will go with the evs brace. looks the businness and a third of the price of the leatt. just waiting for them to come in.

[cooneyr]

http://www.uihealthcare.com/topics/medicaldepartments/orthopaedics/somibrace/images/somi5.gif

It's like a leet neck brace for everyday life! No more worries when you trip over the cat...

If you can see the fucken cat! Basted to sleep and eat in - soup and mashed spuds get boring very quickly! Still I shouldn't be complaining cause others have come away much worse.

Just wear the neck braces!

Cheers R

[Reckless]

Look at the neck brace thread buddy B4 you buy another one. Looks like Leat are coming out with an affordable model for the masses. $195-00 USD. I kinda don't like to support them after there other products where so over priced but now they have some competition it looks like sanity has prevailed. all in the long term marketing (ripoff) plan I suppose. Sell it for a grand till the opposition catches up them market the ordinary one cheaper than the rest.
But by the looks of it it still seems to be the best design!!! So safety first!

[jimmy 2006]

$250nzd for the EVS looks good to me. reviews will overload the internet as soon as they are released. all the sites in the states are waiting in eager anticipation to do a side by side comparison with the leatt.

[Pierce]

$250nzd for the EVS looks good to me. reviews will overload the internet as soon as they are released. all the sites in the states are waiting in eager anticipation to do a side by side comparison with the leatt.


Yeah mate defo gonna buy one of these. Need knee brace's more so though.

[jimmy 2006]

Ah..... the knee brace vs neck brace dilemma.

i have also had this debate with myself.

i came to the conclusion that..... if you break your neck your knees don't matter anymore. therefore neck brace first, knee braces second (when i win lotto)
:weep:

[dammad1]

Ah..... the knee brace vs neck brace dilemma.

i have also had this debate with myself.

i came to the conclusion that..... if you break your neck your knees don't matter anymore. therefore neck brace first, knee braces second (when i win lotto)
:weep:

Yeah i'm having the same debate at the moment, to late for the knee now though should be having surgery in the next two months i've just got to wait for a confirmed date. But I think i will have to splash out and buy both, just have to decide which is best.

[marks]

do you guys who have neck braces use them all the time (ie trail riding etc) or just when you are racing?

Are they uncomfortable or restrict movement?

cheers


Mark

[Buddy L]

Yeah i'm having the same debate at the moment, to late for the knee now though should be having surgery in the next two months i've just got to wait for a confirmed date. But I think i will have to splash out and buy both, just have to decide which is best.



I wear Knee and neck braces.

Neck first i would say. more important then the knees.

And also don't buy MXPod knee braces, at 600 a pop the are on par with others price wise,
But in 4 months i have taken then back for repair 3 times as the knee cap gaurd has come adrift, all 3 times.
Now they (colmens) are saying that they arn't covered under the warrenty
and ill have to start buying the part in question.
And they said refund is out of the question as well.

Not happy with them at all (MXPOD, not so much colmensas they are just the middle man).

1200 bucks down the drain.

[soundbeltfarm]

do you guys who have neck braces use them all the time (ie trail riding etc) or just when you are racing?

Are they uncomfortable or restrict movement?

cheers


Mark

wear mine and make kids wear theirs every time we on bike.
regardless where we are.
i find mine comfy as .
dont even bother me.

[4stroke]

i hated mine so i dont wear them anymore, used to wear holes in the side of the knee as they flex on the hinge. prefer no knee pads anyway.

[worm]

I wear Knee and neck braces.

Neck first i would say. more important then the knees.

And also don't buy MXPod knee braces, at 600 a pop the are on par with others price wise,
But in 4 months i have taken then back for repair 3 times as the knee cap gaurd has come adrift, all 3 times.
Now they (colmens) are saying that they arn't covered under the warrenty
and ill have to start buying the part in question.
And they said refund is out of the question as well.

Not happy with them at all (MXPOD, not so much colmensas they are just the middle man).

1200 bucks down the drain.

Did you ask if they would be happy paying $1200 for shit knee braces?? It is colemans problem buddyL.:mad:
Just had some more bad news.. Got to go in for more xrays on da shoulder, surgeon thinks its broken........ not happy:(:crybaby:

[xen]

I have a evs race collar, not very good really, just a neck roll. Think I'll get the cheaper Leatt when it comes out, the evs looks pretty bulky.


And also don't buy mxpod knee braces, at 600 a pop the are on par with others price wise,

Man that sux, they should keep repairing under warranty.. consumer guarantees act means they should last for a reasonable amount of time, maybe not standard 12months for appliances but surely more than 4.

One day I'll get the asterisk cell braces, got good reviews & look sturdy as.

[dammad1]

I wear Knee and neck braces.

Neck first i would say. more important then the knees.

And also don't buy MXPod knee braces, at 600 a pop the are on par with others price wise,
But in 4 months i have taken then back for repair 3 times as the knee cap gaurd has come adrift, all 3 times.
Now they (colmens) are saying that they arn't covered under the warrenty
and ill have to start buying the part in question.
And they said refund is out of the question as well.

Not happy with them at all (MXPOD, not so much colmensas they are just the middle man).

1200 bucks down the drain.

That sucks, I would be super pissed if i was you, maybe complain directly to the supplier?

[jimmy 2006]

go straight to PODMX. don't even bother arguing with colemans.
you should not have to suffer inferior product.

[Buddy L]

go straight to PODMX. don't even bother arguing with colemans.
you should not have to suffer inferior product.

http://www.podmx.com/en/pages/products/mx_brace.htm

Well they have sent the gaurds back to the guys/girls at Podmx.
its has been the same problem on the same right had gaurd.
First they said it might be my riding style. (gripping with my knees)

Ill keep you guys posted on what happeneds anyway.

I like the gaurds they feel good to wear, but becasue of this one problem ill never buy another Podmx product.

I wear pants that go over my boots, and after a ride i find that patella gaurd has come off and falling out. never to been seen again.

Sure i crash (most of the time), everybody does.
1200 bucks worth of knee gaurds should be able to handle a few knocks.
My $60 Fly knee gaurds are still going after 3 years, they have now have become hand me downs, to their new owner.

Anyway thats my late night rant.

[Simone Harrison]

Hey Buddy L, Just to let you know the Leatt Braces have come down in price.
The Club is $849 and the Sport is $1099. The protection is the same for both, the sport is 70gm lighter. The Leatt is designed by a neuro surgeon with BMW (in Germany) and KTM in on it as well, so its had pretty rigorous testing.
The way you crashed head first is one of the worst, so you were lucky. My son had a big off, he snapped his colar bone in half and they thought he had broken his neck. It was the worst time of my life looking at him all plugged in and waiting for the x-rays results. He was lucky also, nothing major seen as tho he didn't have any type of neck brace on. Hes a good looking guy (from mums side) with so much ahead of him and it could of been so different.
I decided then to do a bit of homework on saftey gear, I wanted the best protection I could get. Have a look around, cheap is not always better. Check out the Leatt web site, www.leatt-brace.com there is a video by David Bailey its worth a watch. I was so moved by what he said I now sell the leatt neck braces, & the Cti wrist and knee. I'm not trying to do a sales pitch, I sell a lot to people after they get toasted, they sell themselves.
Ride Hard, Be Safe.

[Reckless]

Simone any news on the price of the $195-00USD Leatt Adventure and when it may hit our shores???

http://www.vitalmx.com/news/news/Something-to-Look-for-New-Leatt-Adventure-Brace,2783.

or this add

http://www.mx1.co.uk/products-Leatt-Moto-GPX-Adventure-Brace_gpxadventure.htm

thanks

[charles23]

update GPX leatt Adventure Neck Brace

"The Adventure Brace will only be available towards the end of the year.
‘Watch this space’ on our website will keep you updated.

kind regards
Wendy Dixon
Distributor Relationship Manager, Leatt Corporation. (USA)"

[NordieBoy]

Ah..... the knee brace vs neck brace dilemma.

i have also had this debate with myself.

i came to the conclusion that..... if you break your neck your knees don't matter anymore. therefore neck brace first, knee braces second (when i win lotto)
:weep:

I'm using Thor Force knee brace type shin guards.
$150nz - Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

[jimmy 2006]

are they any good?

[NordieBoy]

are they any good?

Not up to the level of the others but not up to the price either.
Articulated kneecup, dual hinge pivots, side impact protection and some over-extension support.

I paid $150 2nd hand and now that's the new price.

[Reckless]

Post a pic or a shortcut be interested to see them please Nordie.

[tommorth]

140 bucks plus ten for postage not a brace but a hell of a lot better than some pads


http://www.mrmotorcycles.co.nz/product_info.php?cPath=47_37&products_id=714

[jimmy 2006]

sweet, they look like just the thing for me.
comfy? or do they rape your legs? blisters ect.

[DingoZ]

A bloody good investment....



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[soundbeltfarm]

140 bucks plus ten for postage not a brace but a hell of a lot better than some pads


http://www.mrmotorcycles.co.nz/product_info.php?cPath=47_37&products_id=714


i got them too and love them.
i found that they cut in a bit behind my knees but just put a piece of cloth behind them before velcro up.
they feel good support.
i rate them

[jimmy 2006]

would really like to be able to buy the leatt..... looks so much better than the evs... how to get the money,..... drugs? Hmmmmmm,,,,,...... 1000 bucks, even that is alot of $20 tinnies...hahaha

going to go get knee pads this weekend.

[Pierce]

Ah..... the knee brace vs neck brace dilemma.

i have also had this debate with myself.

i came to the conclusion that..... if you break your neck your knees don't matter anymore. therefore neck brace first, knee braces second (when i win lotto)
:weep:


Yeah but when you've just had reconstructive surgery on your knee you don't want another in that same year haha

[Buddy L]

ill check out the eva's but im going to save up and buy the leatt.
peace of mind and far more adjustments.

[NordieBoy]

These be them...

[charles23]

These be them...

where's the knee cap?

[NordieBoy]

where's the knee cap?

Covered in aramid fibre in the middle there.
Very solid.

[marks]

Covered in aramid fibre in the middle there.
Very solid.


Does pressure applied to the knee cap get absorbed by the top bottom bits or your knee?

[soundbeltfarm]

the pressure goes to the hinges on each side of the knee.

[NordieBoy]

Does pressure applied to the knee cap get absorbed by the top bottom bits or your knee?

It's floating but can only get as close to your kneecap as the side hinges.

The cup itself is plastic topped and hard foam behind and about 2cm thick and then encased in the material covering.

And as SBF said the only downside is the top of the calf neoprene gets you behind the knee a bit.

[camchain]

I tried on the PodMx braces and loved the feel of them 'till I got on a bike in the shop. Didn't like the feel when gripping the bike with legs. Tried Asterix ones and they were really bulky compared to the Podmx. Thought that 'tendon' thing in them was a gimmick, but I'm still thinking I'd really like some proper knee braces.

Read an Aus DB mag report on them. Had same prob with patella guard coming adrift.

Bought Fox Raptor knee guards instead ($140$). Better than nothing. Kept popping the little grommets that hold them together. (Apparently they all do this) until I araldited them in. Piss poor really. Look similar to Thor ones but have good knee cup on them.

In the future we'll have armour with little air bags all over the place that deploy when needed. A nice fat air bag around the neck would be lighter than a contraption that sits there all the time. Maybe dirt biker progeny will evolve exoskeletons (like insects) in half a million years.

[Buddy L]

Read an Aus DB mag report on them. Had same prob with patella guard coming adrift.

Bought Fox Raptor knee guards instead ($140$). Better than nothing. Kept popping the little grommets that hold them together. (Apparently they all do this) until I araldited them in. Piss poor really. Look similar to Thor ones but have good knee cup on them.
.

I also had the Fox raptor gaurds, same thing the little gromits would come appart all the time. Red Baron gave me a had full of the little buggers, so i glued them in place.
Only went to the knee braces after the fox gaurds got cut off me at summer cross:doctor:.

this is good to hear.

"Read an Aus DB mag report on them. Had same prob with patella guard coming adrift".

As i was told "in all good fairness this has only ever happened to you":oi-grr:
not realy something i wanted to hear.

[scott411]

its hard to say that the brace 'saved you', but it def looks like it did the job it was designed to, i liked the fact the fro brace was softer and could crumple under impact, (like a helmet is designed to, simlar to car crumple zones)

there is also the Alpinestar brace coming out this year, it is going to be about the same price as the LEatt Sport brace,

the EVS is not out in america yet so i presume it is still a few months away from here as well,

there is some interesting comments overseas about the braces, some say the leatt is two stiff and causing collarbone and sternium injuries, there has even been a report of it breaking and cutting the skin in extreme cases, its a really tuff call which one to choose, Leatt is also putting extreme pressure on other neck braces though the courts about patients, which is casuing delays in releasing other types which may or may not be better,

[Buddy L]

there has even been a report of it breaking and cutting the skin in extreme cases,

i can imagine, carbon fibre being so stiff. and if that stuff breaks
(as per Team New Zealand) it will just slice the skin wide open
nasty infected gashes.:sick:

[marks]

I'm using Thor Force knee brace type shin guards.
$150nz - Better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick.

sorry about all the questions but...

Do you use these for adventure riding or just your vintage mx/x country stuff?

Are they OK to wear all day in the saddle and walk around in?

Do they fit under ordinary over-trousers ok? (as opposed to the mx type pants)

thanks

Mark

[NordieBoy]

Look similar to Thor ones but have good knee cup on them.

The Thor knee cup is good, just not as visible.

[Reckless]

looks like Cycletreds are stocking the new EVS. They have it priced etc so looks like you can buy it now.
http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/content/catalogueViewEntry.aspx?profilePK=all&entryPK=2995
I haven't called about them, to late at the moment?
Looks OK though!! 249-00 incl is OK as well!

Hehe better get in and get one B4 Leatt takes them to court and puts a stop to it LOL!!

Have you got them Scott?

[Reckless]

OH shit delete that last post I just noticed the "available" column! And its not! One overseas ad I googled said released June 9th so sorry for the false start guys!

On second thought though? I wear Azonic armour under my shirt (no outer roost vest). Would you have to take your shirt and armour off everytime you had to put this on and off as it looks like it fits directly onto your shoulders. I usually don't take my armour off only the shirt to cool down. I wonder how this would go with the armour that includes, back protector, shoulder, albow and kidney belt??
The new Leat Adventure doesn't have that big shoulder bit and from the pics I've just googled the Leatt goes on the outside of your roost vest or armour.

Any thoughts? This might be a game breaker. For me and my kids anyway!

[soundbeltfarm]

the leatt is hinged on both sides so you can split in in half if you want when putting it on.
but i just open one side.
the thorax part down the back goes under your outer armour and the front piece that sits on your chest goes under armour too.
but it is easy to fit.
the leatt also comes with three different hinge sizes so you can make the neck opening smaller or larger which really does help when fitting it for the first time.

[Reckless]

yeh but looks like you could loosen the azonic enough to get the Leatt in. Not so sure about the EVS. Can't find any pics of it being worn. Here's one off the brochure no hinge by the looks of it.
Soundbelt sound like you have a leatt do wear Azonic type armour as well?

[Reckless]

ok it s late I mean this brochure here!

[Reckless]

won't let me attach it as its already posted http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=87230&d=1203885023

[scott411]

EVS is still not here, and it is not out in the USA yet, we are told mid next month, i am keen to have a look at the EVS brace, seems it may be a good alternative,

also the alpinestar brace is due in a couple of months

[soundbeltfarm]

yeh but looks like you could loosen the azonic enough to get the Leatt in. Not so sure about the EVS. Can't find any pics of it being worn. Here's one off the brochure no hinge by the looks of it.
Soundbelt sound like you have a leatt do wear Azonic type armour as well?


yeah i got a leatt,
got it off scott for a good price.
i have fox armour.
it fits easy.
although i did cut the foam out of the shoulders on the armour as it was pretty bulky. and it sort of pushed the leatt up a bit.
but i find it comfy as now.
and the leatt has so much adjustability.
the front and rear flaps can be raised or lowered,
the thorax part at the rear has 2 different angled pices to fit contour of your back.
three different hinges to make the neck cavity smaller and larger.

[noobi]

is it just me or does it look like these guys have some leatts for not very much 500 kiwi dollars plus about 120ish to get it here


http://www.locomx.com/Leatt-Neck-Brace-s/63.htm?gclid=CJ2RqpbwvpMCFScuagodSlXkDA

just saying