Sue Bradford

[ElCoyote]

Roll on the election

95635

[Pussy]

Too true... the woman(?) is a waste of space, with no concept of reality

[raftn]

Ummm........i am not sure if she is a women......but my kids know who she is....Fuckit!

[Chrislost]

so we can :spanking: her?

[klingon]

Crikey, you lot are a bit shallow aren't you? What's the matter with a politician writing a bill that removes the right to use "discipline" as a defence in child abuse cases?

And then you use insults about her femininity to somehow justify your argument?! You'd better find something that supports your case better than that! :girlfight:

Personally I think the bill was a good idea. That probably makes me a minority of one on this site. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

[Skyryder]

Crikey, you lot are a bit shallow aren't you? What's the matter with a politician writing a bill that removes the right to use "discipline" as a defence in child abuse cases?

And then you use insults about her femininity to somehow justify your argument?! You'd better find something that supports your case better than that! :girlfight:

Personally I think the bill was a good idea. That probably makes me a minority of one on this site. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Spent a bit of time defending her on this site myself. You're not alone.


Skyryder

[ynot slow]

The bill was supposed to be a kids saviour,re taking the use of(reasonable) force defense out of the crime.Most people know the diff between smack and bash,some don't,they should not be breeding.Unfortunately we were told ordinary folks will not be arrested for giving a small slap at supermarkets etc,tui anyone.

[awayatc]

New zealand is getting devastated by a major Suenami, and it/she is getting defended?
Sue and Helen are doing a great job at destroying the fabric of what was once New Zealands society......

[Coyote]

Sue and Helen are doing a great job at destroying the fabric of what was once New Zealands society......
Though they're not the only ones responsible. The fact is many people, especially the Mother's Against Everything, are quite keen bringing in more bureaucratic jargon and P.C. claptrap.

Michael Laws' last article was quite good. A good point he made among others was that our society is quite happy to have harsh punishments for disobedient children, but when it's someone's own child they are totally against the thought of their innocent darling baby being punished and blame everything but the child and themselves for their child's behaviour. The laws coming in now are really to protect the arses of politicians that don't want to get harassed by these mother's and become liable for some shit for some stupid reason.

[MisterD]

Crikey, you lot are a bit shallow aren't you? What's the matter with a politician writing a bill that removes the right to use "discipline" as a defence in child abuse cases?

And then you use insults about her femininity to somehow justify your argument?! You'd better find something that supports your case better than that! :girlfight:

Personally I think the bill was a good idea. That probably makes me a minority of one on this site. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

How can you not see that it is a completely ineffective waste of time in terms of preventing child abuse, whilst simultanously criminalising normal decent kiwi parents?

The bill is a good idea in the same league as micro-chipping dogs, history professors running the economy and members of parlianment unaccountable to any electorate.

[Skyryder]

How can you not see that it is a completely ineffective waste of time in terms of preventing child abuse, whilst simultanously criminalising normal decent kiwi parents?

The bill is a good idea in the same league as micro-chipping dogs, history professors running the economy and members of parlianment unaccountable to any electorate.

The bill 'was and can not' prevent child abuse any more than speed limits prevent speeding. Bradford's bill removes the 'defence' of resoanble force' becasue the public could not agree to what reasonable force is.

Most of New Zealand has moved on from this.


Skyryder

[MisterD]

The bill 'was and can not' prevent child abuse any more than speed limits prevent speeding. Bradford's bill removes the 'defence' of resoanble force' becasue the public could not agree to what reasonable force is.
Most of New Zealand has moved on from this.


Na. Because the do-gooder, milk-monitor bossy girls that we have running the show at the moment were unwilling to put the effort into defining reasonable force. (Like it's even difficult - open hand, doesn't leave a bruise).

"Most" of New Zealand will kick them out of government this year because of it and good f-ing riddance.

[smokeyging]

The very few spoil it for the many.
a friend of mine worked at ‘starship’ for years, just one of many cases was a boy was brought in one night, all he kept saying was ‘don’t hit me‘, my friend said that ‘you are in a hospital, we will not hurt you’, the injuries were so severe that the child did’nt survive. cases like this got too much for my friend , in the finish she eventually left . what do you do to get around a problem like this?

[Skyryder]

Na. Because the do-gooder, milk-monitor bossy girls that we have running the show at the moment were unwilling to put the effort into defining reasonable force. (Like it's even difficult - open hand, doesn't leave a bruise).

Pinched this off another KB thread.

So according to your defination this is reasonable force.

http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=ssnurt6tso


Skyryder

[Boob Johnson]

The very few spoil it for the many.
a friend of mine worked at ‘starship’ for years, just one of many cases was a boy was brought in one night, all he kept saying was ‘don’t hit me‘, my friend said that ‘you are in a hospital, we will not hurt you’, the injuries were so severe that the child did’nt survive. cases like this got too much for my friend , in the finish she eventually left . what do you do to get around a problem like this?
Get involved in the communities it is happening, in the schools, educate the kids about how to deal with it, talk to ministers at churches & get some education happening at grass roots level, that kind of thing. Some laws are ambulance's at the bottom of hills or similarly they miss the boat.

[RantyDave]

What's the matter with a politician writing a bill that removes the right to use "discipline" as a defence in child abuse cases?
I have no problem with that, but she has been going on about how the welfare system is hard on people. Like, come on? She should sit on welfare in the UK for a while.

Dave

[shafty]

She's a LOSER; Possibly feeling Guilty about the suicide of her own offspring - but NO reason to take it out on normal folk NZ; Bradford was a 'Dumby' (pun intended) for this bill, as Herr Helen has no kids and I'd suggest, is not in a relationship that would not provide any...

[awayatc]

Most of New Zealand has moved on from this.

Skyryder

How can we move on from something that has now been made Law, and therefor will remain with us and our children from here on?
Or should I say states's offspring?

Parents are made less and less responsible for childrens upbringing,
Teachers are powerless to discipline, the police are scrutinised and vilified for policing, turned into a revenue gathering collecting agency.
Ad the " underclass" is rapidly expanding thanks to
the state sponsored breeding program's, and various other aids.
The ever increasing number of benificiaries/state dependents is being paid by an ever diminishing group of working taxpayers.

And it is destroying our social fabric, we don' need just police.... we need to remove the sort of people that have created this insane madness.

Sue definitely belongs to that sorry lot.....:bash::spanking:

[MisterD]

Pinched this off another KB thread.

So according to your defination this is reasonable force.

http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=ssnurt6tso




If that didn't leave a bruise, I'll vote Green in the next election.

[Swoop]

A law that is designed to target a very small minority of society, but manages to make criminals out of the majority?

Good law-making - NOT!

The police are left with trying to make sense of this shit law. Poor sods.

[ghost]

The very few spoil it for the many.
a friend of mine worked at ‘starship’ for years, just one of many cases was a boy was brought in one night, all he kept saying was ‘don’t hit me‘, my friend said that ‘you are in a hospital, we will not hurt you’, the injuries were so severe that the child did’nt survive. cases like this got too much for my friend , in the finish she eventually left . what do you do to get around a problem like this?


repel section 59, that'll fix it.:bs:

[jrandom]

what do you do to get around a problem like this?

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[MSTRS]

Crikey, you lot are a bit shallow aren't you? Of course, safety in numbers
What's the matter with a politician writing a bill that removes the right to use "discipline" as a defence in child abuse cases? It actually removed the clause allowing 'reasonable force' without defining or introducing a viable alternative

And then you use insults about her femininity to somehow justify your argument?! You'd better find something that supports your case better than that! :girlfight: Women should stay in the kitchen/laundry/bedroom. Is/was there no-one brave enough to fit the right length of chain to MizBradford?

Personally I think the bill was a good idea. That probably makes me a minority of one on this site. Doesn't bother me in the slightest. Not all 'good' ideas should see the light of day. God knows I've had enough of them in this category.

:devil2::chase:

[Robert Taylor]

How can we move on from something that has now been made Law, and therefor will remain with us and our children from here on?
Or should I say states's offspring?

Parents are made less and less responsible for childrens upbringing,
Teachers are powerless to discipline, the police are scrutinised and vilified for policing, turned into a revenue gathering collecting agency.
Ad the " underclass" is rapidly expanding thanks to
the state sponsored breeding program's, and various other aids.
The ever increasing number of benificiaries/state dependents is being paid by an ever diminishing group of working taxpayers.

And it is destroying our social fabric, we don' need just police.... we need to remove the sort of people that have created this insane madness.

Sue definitely belongs to that sorry lot.....:bash::spanking:

Absolutely 100% correct. Now Im going to say something that is 100% chauvinistic and very politically incorrect............and frankly I dont give a damn about that.
3 women:
1) Bradford, probably shares the same hairdresser as Worzel Gummidge and has the dress sense of a sack of potatoes. Is a complete moron and frankly its an international embarrassment that our mickey mouse electoral system enables people like her to become MPs.
2) Clark, probably related to the Frankenstein family and is the most corrupt and scheming priminister in our history. Probably headed to the UN where she can feel comfortable with her communist mates and continue to spread her poison.
3) Jenny Shipley, well shes not exactly an oil painting either. But at least compared to the former two she had good manners and a sense of decorum. She also made reasonable attempt to dress / present herself with a degree of elegance. As a priminister way way ahead of Frankensteins relative.

If at some satge in the future we have another woman priminister please let it be a conservative politician with the success story of Margaret Thatcher or even Golda Meier.

[peasea]

Absolutely 100% correct. Now Im going to say something that is 100% chauvinistic and very politically incorrect............and frankly I dont give a damn about that.
3 women:
1) Bradford, probably shares the same hairdresser as Worzel Gummidge and has the dress sense of a sack of potatoes. Is a complete moron and frankly its an international embarrassment that our mickey mouse electoral system enables people like her to become MPs.
2) Clark, probably related to the Frankenstein family and is the most corrupt and scheming priminister in our history. Probably headed to the UN where she can feel comfortable with her communist mates and continue to spread her poison.
3) Jenny Shipley, well shes not exactly an oil painting either. But at least compared to the former two she had good manners and a sense of decorum. She also made reasonable attempt to dress / present herself with a degree of elegance. As a priminister way way ahead of Frankensteins relative.

If at some satge in the future we have another woman priminister please let it be a conservative politician with the success story of Margaret Thatcher or even Golda Meier.


Wonder Woman, now there's a gal!

[Trudes]

BUT... if a woman in politics WAS *gasp* attractive, do you think she would be taken seriously?
Hell NO!!!
She would just be eye-candy for the nation and the rumor/gossip mill would start in on how she's had plastic surgery or something, and nobody would be interested in her policies, only her boobies.
I don't believe people in NZ would/could respect a female politician who wasn't butt ugly. Maybe that's the reason why women in politics (especially in narrow minded NZ) are unattractive and almost manly, because the attractive ones don't get taken seriously, they are too feminine and there are too many chauvinists about who still believe women don't have any place in having anything to do with running our country.
Just remember, it's not a beauty contest!

awaiting the abuse for being beautiful... hahaha

[Usarka]

A hot prime minister could make any law she wanted.


mind you, it seems that helen can too..... :blank:

[awayatc]

I don't believe people in NZ would/could respect a female politician who wasn't butt ugly.




Lots of people must have thought what you you are saying, but plenty people have a face like Sue breadbox,....
except they have the decency to sit on theirs....:buggerd:

Respect however has to be earned, ugly or pretty......

[Manxman]

Crikey, you lot are a bit shallow aren't you? What's the matter with a politician writing a bill that removes the right to use "discipline" as a defence in child abuse cases?

And then you use insults about her femininity to somehow justify your argument?! You'd better find something that supports your case better than that! :girlfight:

Personally I think the bill was a good idea. That probably makes me a minority of one on this site. Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I was just about to press the button with a huge rant against everything that Sue Bradford stands for...but then I thought: life's to short to get stressed about dipshits. For that is what she is, and stands for.

So I deleted it all - cos she isn't worth it. Really.

It doesn't matter whether you're a minority, or a majority.

She is wrong. The country needs less of her. And that is that.

The End.

[Manxman]

Absolutely 100% correct. Now Im going to say something that is 100% chauvinistic and very politically incorrect............and frankly I dont give a damn about that.
3 women:
1) Bradford, probably shares the same hairdresser as Worzel Gummidge and has the dress sense of a sack of potatoes. Is a complete moron and frankly its an international embarrassment that our mickey mouse electoral system enables people like her to become MPs.
2) Clark, probably related to the Frankenstein family and is the most corrupt and scheming priminister in our history. Probably headed to the UN where she can feel comfortable with her communist mates and continue to spread her poison.
3) Jenny Shipley, well shes not exactly an oil painting either. But at least compared to the former two she had good manners and a sense of decorum. She also made reasonable attempt to dress / present herself with a degree of elegance. As a priminister way way ahead of Frankensteins relative.

If at some satge in the future we have another woman priminister please let it be a conservative politician with the success story of Margaret Thatcher or even Golda Meier.

Actually, my rant was going to be pretty much along these lines, plus what a complete waste of time, money and effort repealing s59 was. The only person to benefit from this will be...Sue Bradford and her CV (such as it is). Sure as hell won't stop the retard parents from beating their kids half to death. What part of that she can't understand is completely beyond me.

BTW Jenny Shipley's daughter is quite hot too (worked with her for a while...)

[Robbo]

She's just a lowlife piece of shit that has a chequered past that includes violence and civil disobedience. How she ever got into parlaiment is beyond me and she has the nerve to tell us how we should be raising our families when she can't even sort out her own.
This Nanny State is way beyond a joke and they still refuse to address the real issues of law and order. Hopefully the next elections will see the end of her and Herr Helen and her arogant cronies once and for all.

[awayatc]

Hopefully the next elections will see the end of her and Herr Helen and her arogant cronies once and for all.

Absolutely, however next elections to me are a bit like" which kneecap you want us to smash for you?"....
"or you want us to take out an elbow?..."
Some choices we have.....................:bye:

Stay in the pan? or jump into the fire?......

MMP More Morons Participating.....:yes:

[Robert Taylor]

BUT... if a woman in politics WAS *gasp* attractive, do you think she would be taken seriously?
Hell NO!!!
She would just be eye-candy for the nation and the rumor/gossip mill would start in on how she's had plastic surgery or something, and nobody would be interested in her policies, only her boobies.
I don't believe people in NZ would/could respect a female politician who wasn't butt ugly. Maybe that's the reason why women in politics (especially in narrow minded NZ) are unattractive and almost manly, because the attractive ones don't get taken seriously, they are too feminine and there are too many chauvinists about who still believe women don't have any place in having anything to do with running our country.
Just remember, it's not a beauty contest!

awaiting the abuse for being beautiful... hahaha

If indeed it was a beauty contest Rob Muldoon ( were he still alive ) would win hands down against the 2 aforementioned left wing hussies.

[Trudes]

If indeed it was a beauty contest Rob Muldoon ( were he still alive ) would win hands down against the 2 aforementioned left wing hussies.

haha, too true.... a man who can laugh like that is indeed a sexy man!:blink:

[The Joka]

Unreasonable force - anything that draws blood, causes abbrassions or bruising or any vigarous contact with any part of the body apart from the legs buttocks or hands!

Get rid of income tax and put up GST, then everyone has to pay not the just the suckers going to work every day.

Do you realise that the government take almost half your pay? 33% income tax, 12.5% GST.

Wasnt it supposed to be one or the other when income tax came in?

[Flatcap]

Do you realise that the government take almost half your pay? 33% income tax, 12.5% GST.


Only if you buy stuff

[Robert Taylor]

haha, too true.... a man who can laugh like that is indeed a sexy man!:blink:

Flawed though he was he was a hell of a lot more likable than the morons currently destroying this country. And there were better people that preceded him, Marshall, Holyoake, Talboys, Gordon, MacIntyre, Walker. All good solid and respectable kiwi blokes with a military background. I may be vilified for saying that, but even the Labour people of the time had some solid characters, not including that idiot Kirk.

[Manxman]

How can we move on from something that has now been made Law, and therefor will remain with us and our children from here on?
Or should I say states's offspring?

Parents are made less and less responsible for childrens upbringing,
Teachers are powerless to discipline, the police are scrutinised and vilified for policing, turned into a revenue gathering collecting agency.
Ad the " underclass" is rapidly expanding thanks to
the state sponsored breeding program's, and various other aids.
The ever increasing number of benificiaries/state dependents is being paid by an ever diminishing group of working taxpayers.

And it is destroying our social fabric, we don' need just police.... we need to remove the sort of people that have created this insane madness.

Sue definitely belongs to that sorry lot.....:bash::spanking:

Agree. Labour have an unabashed intent to 'redistribute wealth' from the rich - whatever rich means? Anyone who earns above the average wage if Michael Cullen - who's not short a bob or two himself - has his way.

Teachers spend the first 10 minutes of every 40 minute class getting kids to sit down and calm down, the next 5 to stop talking to their mates, another 5 to confiscate the cellphones, 15 minutes of teaching, and the last 5 giving out detentions - which no-one turns up to. Which then means paperwork and phone calls. Not to mention the wasted time of the teacher. Not to mention the social working role they play. Not to mention the parenting role they play. Not to mention the complete lack of respect - and personal abuse - and (yes it will come too) the physical abuse. Not to mention the lack of management support (cos they're too scared to fight back against the PC system). Not to mention the powerlessness to actually discipline kids (for that is what they really need - despite the B/S the apologists tell us to the contrary).

Boundaries. Consequences. Responsibility. Largely missing in worrying amounts of the next generation.

I imagine the Police suffer from comparable amounts of 'down time'.

Heck, I wouldn't be a teacher for $200k a year and the keys to an oil rig or two in Saudi...

So where do these kids end up...well guess what - on the benefit (the state's children). Well woop dee doo, there's a frikkin surprise.

God help the vast majority of kiwis if Labour are re-elected in any shape or form. There will be no stopping them from strangling the work generating element of NZ to death and then kicking the last breath out of it, but that's ok cos we'll still green and clean (can't we be anyway, without all that bollox?).

Has the ETS issue been debated here yet...? Now there's a little beauty that will knock Rogernomics into a cocked hat in terms of economic consequences).

Their mission will not be complete until everyone is the same, earns the same (whether you work, or don't) and thinks the same..or doesn't think at all.

NZ is still a country to be hugely proud of, despite the changes even I've seen over the past 11 years, but IMO it's really teetering on the edge of an rather large social engineering abyss right now.

Despite how it sounds, I'm not actually a fully paid up member of the National Party, or even ACT. What I am is a simple bloke who just doesn't want to have to continually subsidise a growing number of losers, theorists and apologists sitting at the bottom of the heap and putting down deep roots like it's going outta fashion, and pulling everyone else down to their pathetic standard.

Bugger, I fell into the trap and ranted. Bugger. It just hacks me off, eh?

Night, night.

[Flatcap]

Has the ETS issue been debated here yet...? Now there's a little beauty that will knock Rogernomics into a cocked hat in terms of economic consequences).
.

We need the ETS because the sea will boil before 2018 without it

[Pussy]

You must spread some reputation etc etc... You're right on the money, Manxman!!

[Boob Johnson]

You must spread some reputation etc etc... You're right on the money, Manxman!!
Ditto, out of bling, farkin spot on Manxman

[Trudes]

Flawed though he was he was a hell of a lot more likable than the morons currently destroying this country. And there were better people that preceded him, Marshall, Holyoake, Talboys, Gordon, MacIntyre, Walker. All good solid and respectable kiwi blokes with a military background. I may be vilified for saying that, but even the Labour people of the time had some solid characters, not including that idiot Kirk.

I agree. I good solid military backround is what a lot of people these days could do with, the people running the show especially. They should be leading by example, and not being a bunch of yobs running each other down, swearing and doing the finger at each other!

[awayatc]

I agree. I good solid military backround is what a lot of people these days could do with, the people running the show especially.

And I know just the place for shooting practice in Wellington.....:niceone:

[Delerium]

why are all members of parliament not forced to serve in the military or have succesfully run a buisiness before becoming an mp?

[ElCoyote]

why are all members of parliament not forced to serve in the military or have succesfully run a buisiness before becoming an mp?


They would fail, put simply, just as they fail as Politicians.

[Swoop]

why are all members of parliament not forced to serve in the military or have succesfully run a buisiness before becoming an mp?
Simply because they enjoy "going to university" for about, ohh say, 20years to "become educated" and enlightened.
Unfortunately they miss out on the real life.

sue badford avoided this trap, and became a professional protestor (unemployed rights movement, wasn't it?) and an unemployable bum.

[Manxman]

sue badford avoided this trap, and became a professional protestor (unemployed rights movement, wasn't it?) and an unemployable bum.

For a moment there, I thought you had intended to say "unemployable MUM"...but then realised that you were - of course - absolutely right in the first place...:niceone: How stupid of me.

[Special]

Yes as you say you'd be amoungst the minority of shallow thinkers yourself along with the likes of Ms Bradford. Kiwis do not like polititions interfering with their lives with legislation that can make criminals out of good law abiding productive NZers.

[oldrider]

Sue Bradford has her place, she is a Green and Green's are really good for "compost"!

I wish her well and hope she finds her place "soon"! :lol: John.

[Pussy]

Sue Bradford has her place, she is a Green and Green's are really good for "compost"!

I wish her well and hope she finds her place "soon"! :lol: John.

Yep, and the best way to get Jeanette Fitzsimons out of the shower? Turn it on!

[Owl]

I think if Sue was a motorcycle, she’d be a Harley. Heavy, not too quick, makes a lot of noise, doesn’t know how to stop and yet still has supporters despite the faults.

[Dafe]

As far as I'm concerned.....

Sue Bradford had her shot at parenthood and she failed when her child committed suicide!!!

She deserves NO SAY in the raising of others children, especially when she has proven she can't even raise her own.

What type of farken society lets a FAILURE take charge?????????? Let alone get involved.

Oh, Thats right - This labour led society!:Oops:

[smokeyging]

We should all have a go at politics ourselves, if sue bradford can get in, shit, we’ll shoo in. why, we could call ourselves something like the spankme serious party or something, if politicians can shout themselves BMWs, we can shout all of ourselves a new bike each....wouldn't cost a dime, and the best part is all we need to do in our job is make a lot of fuck-ups, should be a breeze.....

[Timber020]

Shes made a profession out being a leech. We should send her out to scare off the japanese whaling fleets.

[awayatc]

Shes made a profession out being a leech. We should send her out to scare off the japanese whaling fleets.

With the right outfit she may pass as a small minke whale ......

[Magua]

As far as I'm concerned.....

Sue Bradford had her shot at parenthood and she failed when her child committed suicide!!!

She deserves NO SAY in the raising of others children, especially when she has proven she can't even raise her own.

What type of farken society lets a FAILURE take charge?????????? Let alone get involved.

Oh, Thats right - This labour led society!:Oops:

So for every child that commits suicide, it's the parent's fault?

[Dafe]

So for every child that commits suicide, it's the parent's fault?

I'm saying I'd rather not have policy written for my childs upbringing by a parent that has undergone extreme mentally emotional scaring as a result of
their experiences with a failed child's upbringing. What suddenly makes them fit for the job? If anything, I would say they are less fit for the job because their perceptions on what should be a positively influenced issue would be continuously overshadowed by the negative events of their past. I believe those events would have been so traumatic that it would make it near impossible for a parent to look past those events.

[Skyryder]

I'm saying I'd rather not have policy written for my childs upbringing by a parent that has undergone extreme mentally emotional scaring as a result of
their experiences with a failed child's upbringing. What suddenly makes them fit for the job? If anything, I would say they are less fit for the job because their perceptions on what should be a positively influenced issue would be continuously overshadowed by the negative events of their past. I believe those events would have been so traumatic that it would make it near impossible for a parent to clearly look past those events without making decisions that would take into account their past personal experiences.


The very opposite of what you argue could in fact make a parent who has lost a child to suicide so much the wiser.


Skyryder

[ElCoyote]

The very opposite of what you argue could in fact make a parent who has lost a child to suicide so much the wiser.


Skyryder

It could, but in the case of Sue Bradford I think not. :zzzz:

[Dafe]

Some think it would, some think it wouldn't. Why risk it then?

Why not just leave the job to somebody whose in neither of those positions?

I hold my ground in stating that I don't believe Sue Bradford should have this responsibility or be risked with this responsibility.

[Dafe]

So for every child that commits suicide, it's the parent's fault?

So for every child that commits suicide, it's the parents success???

No and no. It's obvious that a parent has a degree of responsibility is it not?

[awayatc]

I"ve been told that Mr and Mrs Hitler were realy good solid citizens and model parents.......:bash::yes:

[Timber020]

The very opposite of what you argue could in fact make a parent who has lost a child to suicide so much the wiser.


Skyryder


Although suicide is an all to common tradgedy in today society, its is an extreme event which would change "normal" parenting behavior, possibly causing people to take overcompensationary measures.
I dont know what kind of mother Sue Bradford is or was, but when she pushes rules on every other parent in NZ, against what the majority of the population wants, its bullshit. Maybe theres a voice in her head saying that she couldnt save her own childs life but she would like to think by pushing in new laws shes making up for it by saving others.
But thats her demon, not ours.