Iron Mike Tyson fighting in NZ

[Deano]

Mike Tyson apprently fighting in NZ, 1st weeked in August.

It would be good to see him go up against the mountain warrior, Shane Cameron.


Jason 'psycho' Suttie is on the undercard and he is one tough MF.

Rugby what ?

[yod]

get yer earmuffs out

[oldrider]

A person with Mike Tyson's record could not enter the USA from here, how come he can enter NZ?

Same thing for Tame Iti going to Europe etc.

Some NZr's with minor charges cant get away with it, how do these guys get around it? :nono: John.

[NOMIS]

A person with Mike Tyson's record could not enter the USA from here, how come he can enter NZ?

Same thing for Tame Iti going to Europe etc.

Some NZr's with minor charges cant get away with it, how do these guys get around it? :nono: John.

Who gives a shit Iron mike an amazing ( Hard arse ) fighter. In His day even muhamad ali said he wouldnt have wanted to fight him. Id love to see him fight even if he isn't a great person.

[hang0ver]

Iron Mike? Mountain Warrior?

That I'd like to see!!

[oldrider]

Who gives a shit Iron mike an amazing ( Hard arse ) fighter. In His day even muhamad ali said he wouldnt have wanted to fight him. Id love to see him fight even if he isn't a great person.

I didn't crticise Tyson, I just asked the question! :confused:

I am a boxing enthusiast and will be watching of course. :niceone: John.

[TOTO]

I'd like to go se Mike tyson fight ay. hope he wins too. How old is he now ?

[Forest]

Shane Cameron better be careful.

He might be charged with abuse of an animal.

[mynameis]

Hmm is it this August or next year?? I recently went to the Cameron Vs Hagler fight it was awesome.

Shane did a good! Tyson is expired I rekon.

[Boob Johnson]

Tyson is expired I rekon.
He's got at least another ear in em :innocent:

[Tank]

A person with Mike Tyson's record could not enter the USA from here, how come he can enter NZ?

Simple - $$$$$$!


Who gives a shit Iron mike an amazing ( Hard arse ) fighter.

NOMIS - he WAS an amazing (Hard Arse fighter) - now hes just a 'has been' washed up also ran living off his name.

I was a huge fan (even tho' after reading so many books about him I knew what true scum he was) - Id probably go watch - but then again maybe not - its not like watching the same guy.

Bragging rights for Cameron (who I also like and have met a few times) about beating Tyson now is like saying he can beat Ali - you will be able to do it - but back in the day - not a chance.

[R6_kid]

get texmo in the ring, he'll kick tysons ass!

[Hitcher]

Mike Tyson is a has-been. As for that facial tattoo...

David Tua was never going to be heavyweight champion of the world. He is a competent boxer, but not a great one. He is short on both the necessary height and reach needed to succeed at that level.

I agree that a Cameron v Tua bout would be worth the cost of admission. Funny though that Tua's not interested in such a contest.

[Hoon]

Mike Tyson proved that height and reach aren't necessary.

[007XX]

I always find it extremely funny when Jason gets nicknamed "psycho". He used to teach boxing to a group of girls I belonged to back a few years ago, and he is one of the gentlest, truly sweet guys I know...

But yes, when he gets into that ring, he's one very scary man...the look in his eyes is just so damn focused.

[oldrider]

I agree that a Cameron v Tua bout would be worth the cost of admission. Funny though that Tua's not interested in such a contest.

Lennix Lewis summed up Tua before he fought him thus:

It takes more than a big punch and a bad hairdo to make champion of the world!

Tua was totally outclassed in every round and he never changed his tactics in any round either, a testimony to his intelligence.(IMHO)

A walk in the park for Lewis.

Cameron is a much more intelligent fighter but takes far too much punishment in his fight tactics!

Despite being a tough cookie, even if Cameron doesn't get cut up an equally good puncher should knock him out.

Cameron was completely out thought and out fought by black Friday recently.

I believe Tua would beat Cameron because he is just as tough as Cameron and can go the distance, Tua would probably get lucky and knock him out.

It would be worthy contest of brains courage and bash but not a spectacle worthy of the true science of boxing.

It appears Tua does not believe in himself anyway and will not even take the risk!

Just my humble opinion. :rolleyes: John.

[mynameis]

He's got at least another ear in em :innocent:

The game of boxing itself is a bit dead these days compared to the 60's and 70's. I love watching Ali's era fights. Entertaining, nothing better than that aye.

[mynameis]

Lennix Lewis summed up Tua before he fought him thus:

It takes more than a big punch and a bad hairdo to make champion of the world!

Tua was totally outclassed in every round and he never changed his tactics in any round either, a testimony to his intelligence.(IMHO)

A walk in the park for Lewis.

Cameron is a much more intelligent fighter but takes far too much punishment in his fight tactics!

Despite being a tough cookie, even if Cameron doesn't get cut up an equally good puncher should knock him out.

Cameron was completely out thought and out fought by black Friday recently.

I believe Tua would beat Cameron because he is just as tough as Cameron and can go the distance, Tua would probably get lucky and knock him out.

It would be worthy contest of brains courage and bash but not a spectacle worthy of the true science of boxing.

It appears Tua does not believe in himself anyway and will not even take the risk!

Just my humble opinion. :rolleyes: John.

+1 Very good summary agree 100% with you mate !

[Boob Johnson]

Lennix Lewis summed up Tua before he fought him thus:

It takes more than a big punch and a bad hairdo to make champion of the world!

Tua was totally outclassed in every round and he never changed his tactics in any round either, a testimony to his intelligence.(IMHO)

A walk in the park for Lewis.

Cameron is a much more intelligent fighter but takes far too much punishment in his fight tactics!

Despite being a tough cookie, even if Cameron doesn't get cut up an equally good puncher should knock him out.

Cameron was completely out thought and out fought by black Friday recently.

I believe Tua would beat Cameron because he is just as tough as Cameron and can go the distance, Tua would probably get lucky and knock him out.

It would be worthy contest of brains courage and bash but not a spectacle worthy of the true science of boxing.

It appears Tua does not believe in himself anyway and will not even take the risk!

Just my humble opinion. :rolleyes: John.
Nail on the head John :niceone:

Shane "Bleeder" Cameron is a tuff cookie but he is no world shaker that's for sure




The game of boxing itself is a bit dead these days compared to the 60's and 70's. I love watching Ali's era fights. Entertaining, nothing better than that aye.
Oh for sure, I have most of the great fights on file, watch them from time to time, bloody brilliant. Real boxing I say

[NOMIS]

Yes Shane Cameron is a very nice guy and I have spoken to him at a few amature kickboxing fights I have attended, But unfortunatly he is a big bleeder and because of that he will never be a true serious contender for the heavyweight title. He a damn good boxer and it's unforunate.

And in my eyes Mike Tyson was a animal boxer not as much skill as mohamad ali had but I't would be a hard one to tell who would have won while in their primes.

Iron mike was definatly just that " Iron " was only knocked down once and that was after he got out from jail against Holyfield. If Mike had a normal person's mentality Id say He would perhaps have gone further than " Ali ".

yes His hay day is over but he would still be one I would like to see fight,

The only real fighter N.Z really has atm would be Shane Chapman the kickboxer, sure there are other's but they seem to be tied down with injury's and problem's , Who has Tua fought thats worth the mention lately? Yeh He has a Fight coming up , And to be honest I rekon only because every one doubts he has any gas left in the tank. And I agree with them he is long over. ( hopefully he can prove his critics wrong but at the moment I side with them )

[NOMIS]

Another thing, If Mike tyson hadn't recieved a Ban on boxing in the States i wouldnt be surprised if he was still in there in the top 5, if not champion.

It is his own fault he is a has been but man he wa good, all big name fights at the ages of 18 - 20 all knock out's can't sneeze at that record.

Unfortuantly history won't be nice to Tyson.

[FlangMasterJ]

Awesome. Awesome to the max.

FozA0KrTY0A

[EJK]

Someone should start a thread. Mike Tyson vs The other guy.
Make it into a poll and we'll bet who will win! :lol:

[Grahameeboy]

I didn't crticise Tyson, I just asked the question! :confused:

I am a boxing enthusiast and will be watching of course. :niceone: John.

The problem was that Mike was a problem child taken under the wings of his first manager who died and he got in with that hairy guy which was bad company.

Harry Carpenter interviewed him years ago and he was a well spoken amiable guy...

The rape conviction. Well there are questions...why did she go upstairs with him in the first place...not saying right he ignored her saying "No" if that was the case but..well you know what I am saying.

He was undoubtably a ferocious boxer who fell from grace...shame

[99TLS]

shouldnt let the rapist in imho, what good is he going to bring ??

[FlangMasterJ]

shouldnt let the rapist in imho, what good is he going to bring ??

A bloody good fight that's what.

[mynameis]

Now this guy has class absolute class :

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9p8iJXUWLKw

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Bnz77QSu2HA

[Boob Johnson]

shouldn't let the rapist in imho, what good is he going to bring ??
Innocent OR guilty it matters not, the guy has served his time

[Tank]

The problem was that Mike was a problem child taken under the wings of his first manager who died and he got in with that hairy guy which was bad company.

Harry Carpenter interviewed him years ago and he was a well spoken amiable guy...

The rape conviction. Well there are questions...why did she go upstairs with him in the first place...not saying right he ignored her saying "No" if that was the case but..well you know what I am saying.

He was undoubtably a ferocious boxer who fell from grace...shame

Yes he was a problem child - but his manager (Cus D'Amato) trained him like the animal he was - he was more of the problem than King ever was.

Yes - he was a ferocious boxer - but he never fell from Grace - he was born scum, lived a scum life and will probally die scum.

The fact he could really knock heads off made no difference.

[Tank]

Innocent OR guilty it matters not, the guy has served his time

Ever tried getting into the US of A with prior convictions even if you have served your time?

It just doesn't happen.

No reason we should be any different. In fact IF we did that one could argue that the country would be better for it (not talking Tyson - but all convicted rapist, drug dealers etc)

[NOMIS]

Yes - he was a ferocious boxer - but he never fell from Grace - he was born scum, lived a scum life and will probally die scum.

The fact he could really knock heads off made no difference.

Totally agree with this, Like I said Iron mike doesn't think like your average person. Who Knows what must have gone through his head, If he didnt get into boxing He would be dead on the street for bashing the wrong druggy ect. People call him a animal for a reason he hasn't lost that instinct. He was brought up rough.

The home he stayed in.. at 14 he bashd the wardens and security gaurds at the orphanage, Broke a 6'4 250bs security gaurds jaw. what does that say.

The reason - He was denied a weekend pass for fighting.

[Grahameeboy]

Yes he was a problem child - but his manager (Cus D'Amato) trained him like the animal he was - he was more of the problem than King ever was.

Yes - he was a ferocious boxer - but he never fell from Grace - he was born scum, lived a scum life and will probally die scum.

The fact he could really knock heads off made no difference.

We are all born sinners...he was born in a tough area...he did not have a lot of choice.

Did you watch the Harry Carpenter interview?

[Tank]

We are all born sinners...he was born in a tough area...he did not have a lot of choice.

What a crock of shit.

1 - I dont believe that people are born sinners.

2 - Every one makes a choice - he chose to be a bad ass, raping animal - its not like he didnt know that rape (or any of the other shit he did) was illegal or indeed reprehensible, but still he made the conscious decision to do it.

To say he didnt have a lot of choice because he was born in a bad area is the kind of PC crap that lets people take the easy way out.

Yep - its harder - but if more of them chose to 'fight' to make it out of that area and improve themselves the world would be a better place.

[Grahameeboy]

What a crock of shit.

1 - I dont believe that people are born sinners.

2 - Every one makes a choice - he chose to be a bad ass, raping animal - its not like he didnt know that rape (or any of the other shit he did) was illegal or indeed reprehensible, but still he made the conscious decision to do it.

To say he didnt have a lot of choice because he was born in a bad area is the kind of PC crap that lets people take the easy way out.

Yep - its harder - but if more of them chose to 'fight' to make it out of that area and improve themselves the world would be a better place.

Sadly a very insular view...compare where he was born to South Auckland...South Auckland would be a holiday camp...sorry to South Aucklanders because I think it is an alright place but just basing on the general view that gets banded around...there are far worse places in the UK

And he did fight to improve himself didn't he earning $millions.

I really don't think you have any idea about poverty and America and the added hindrance of being black...

Watched a programme and not convinced about his jail sentence...going to jail would have been the worst place for him to go..

[awayatc]

I'll keep my ear to the ground!:scooter:

[Skyryder]

I' m not going to see him even if I did live in Auckland.


Skyryder

[Tank]

Sadly a very insular view...compare where he was born to South Auckland...South Auckland would be a holiday camp...sorry to South Aucklanders because I think it is an alright place but just basing on the general view that gets banded around...there are far worse places in the UK

And he did fight to improve himself didn't he earning $millions.

I really don't think you have any idea about poverty and America and the added hindrance of being black...

Watched a programme and not convinced about his jail sentence...going to jail would have been the worst place for him to go..


No - its still your PC nonsense.

As for me not having any idea about poverty and America and the added hindrance of being black...well - you are well wrong.

I got to the US a lot. I work in the South of the US - where there is a ton of poverty, and racism is at its worse. Some of my best friends over there (that I see several times a year) are black. I hired a black guy into a snr position and saw first hand the bigotry that he encountered.

So - dont go jumping to conclusions, that you know everything and that others are ignorant of the facts.

Ive been hanging out with folk having a meal in there trailers talking about it first hand - and you ?????


Speaking of insular views - your comment "And he did fight to improve himself didn't he earning $millions" - you are falling into the trap of thinking that $$$ = improving himself.

Some of the most fantastic people in the world have no $$$. The father working 3 jobs, driving a taxi etc to make sure that his kids have a better chance than him - He has no $$$ but he's improving himself, his children and society.

Just because someone comes from a poor area and ends up with millions (and remember btw that Tyson was such a idiot he has nothing left and OWES millions) - thats not improving themselves - it just means they made money. Look at guys like the ones from Bluechip - they made Money - but would you really call that improving themselves and being better people.

As for saying that Jail was the worst place for him - what do you suggest we do with Rapist?

[Grahameeboy]

No - its still your PC nonsense.

As for me not having any idea about poverty and America and the added hindrance of being black...well - you are well wrong.

I got to the US a lot. I work in the South of the US - where there is a ton of poverty, and racism is at its worse. Some of my best friends over there (that I see several times a year) are black. I hired a black guy into a snr position and saw first hand the bigotry that he encountered.

So - dont go jumping to conclusions, that you know everything and that others are ignorant of the facts.

Ive been hanging out with folk having a meal in there trailers talking about it first hand - and you ?????


Speaking of insular views - your comment "And he did fight to improve himself didn't he earning $millions" - you are falling into the trap of thinking that $$$ = improving himself.

Some of the most fantastic people in the world have no $$$. The father working 3 jobs, driving a taxi etc to make sure that his kids have a better chance than him - He has no $$$ but he's improving himself, his children and society.

Just because someone comes from a poor area and ends up with millions (and remember btw that Tyson was such a idiot he has nothing left and OWES millions) - thats not improving themselves - it just means they made money. Look at guys like the ones from Bluechip - they made Money - but would you really call that improving themselves and being better people.

As for saying that Jail was the worst place for him - what do you suggest we do with Rapist?

No probs, I don't know you and I appreciate your adding to this...so happy to be wrong.

Money and prooving oneself, I agree in principle, but to a lot of guys like Tyson they don't see it that way...they come from poverty...and as you say that is why they end up loosing it...

Tyson a rapist...she went up to his room with him...she got in over her head...realised that tyson was an animal and said "No"...Tyson ignored that, but he was not your typical rapist....how far she allowed him to go is ?? and I am not agreeing with what is alleged to have or did happen but doco I watched cast some doubts...

[oldrider]

No probs, I don't know you and I appreciate your adding to this...so happy to be wrong.

Money and prooving oneself, I agree in principle, but to a lot of guys like Tyson they don't see it that way...they come from poverty...and as you say that is why they end up loosing it...

Tyson a rapist...she went up to his room with him...she got in over her head...realised that tyson was an animal and said "No"...Tyson ignored that, but he was not your typical rapist....how far she allowed him to go is ?? and I am not agreeing with what is alleged to have or did happen but doco I watched cast some doubts...

Perhaps she just succeeded in her quest for notoriety, different strokes for different folks, maybe she found an easy sucker. :confused:

Who will ever really know, other than the two of them! :shifty: John.

[Grahameeboy]

Perhaps she just succeeded in her quest for notoriety, different strokes for different folks, maybe she found an easy sucker. :confused:

Who will ever really know, other than the two of them! :shifty: John.

A valid point, possibly not too far from the truth...

[NOMIS]

No probs, I don't know you and I appreciate your adding to this...so happy to be wrong.

Money and prooving oneself, I agree in principle, but to a lot of guys like Tyson they don't see it that way...they come from poverty...and as you say that is why they end up loosing it...

Tyson a rapist...she went up to his room with him...she got in over her head...realised that tyson was an animal and said "No"...Tyson ignored that, but he was not your typical rapist....how far she allowed him to go is ?? and I am not agreeing with what is alleged to have or did happen but doco I watched cast some doubts...

I think I have seen the same doco, He became a easy target for women trying to make a buck. he far from a nice guy. But there is alot of doubt in all of the acusers stories.

And tank - and in my eyes ( don't expect otheres to share this view nor am i trying to convince ) but everyone is born a sinner. From a Christians point of view any way. we carry the burden of sin for being a man thank good old adam and eve.( story that yes I no )

Any way love boxing as a sport and he was a great boxer

[Grahameeboy]

I think I have seen the same doco, He became a easy target for women trying to make a buck. he far from a nice guy. But there is alot of doubt in all of the acusers stories.

And tank - and in my eyes ( don't expect otheres to share this view nor am i trying to convince ) but everyone is born a sinner. From a Christians point of view any way. we carry the burden of sin for being a man thank good old adam and eve.( story that yes I no )

Any way love boxing as a sport and he was a great boxer

It ain't easy being a Christian eh....always wondered if Adam and Eve are one of the many metaphors in the bible...or that Adam and Eve were real with metaphors in story...but then the bible is in effect a Story of what is too come with an end...

[NOMIS]

It ain't easy being a Christian eh....always wondered if Adam and Eve are one of the many metaphors in the bible...or that Adam and Eve were real with metaphors in story...but then the bible is in effect a Story of what is too come with an end...

Mate its the hardest thing of my life. A constant struggle. Good to see there's others out there. are you with the Christian bikers?
pm me.

[EJK]

Arrested 38 times by the age of 13?
Charge of rape?
Canibalistic behaviour?
lol I wouldn't go near this guy

[Grahameeboy]

Mate its the hardest thing of my life. A constant struggle. Good to see there's others out there. are you with the Christian bikers?
pm me.

Nah...some of the parishioners are bad enough mate...lol...I used to go to Holy Trinity but tend to go to St Pauls now and take my Daughter to Holy Trinity...told Vicar at Holy Trinity the services were boring....St Puls has a vibe and listened to Dr Mark Strom yesterday at both am and pm services and "wow" what an amazing guy...

Plus oddly they do the pub thing on a Sunday I think when I am at church...but who knows

[Hitcher]

The usual stuff about the only approved location for religious discussions not being in this thread.

Yada yada yada.

[Tank]

I think I have seen the same doco, He became a easy target for women trying to make a buck. he far from a nice guy. But there is alot of doubt in all of the acusers stories.

I watched a doco once that said man didn't land on the moon.

And another that said the planes that hit the World Trade Center were US Air force remote controlled drones, and another .... so on and so on.

It never ceases to amaze me that people get their opinion from a TV documentary (that even if they wanted to be even handed and non biased STILL couldn't show all the evidence in a single hour) and believe that over and above a jury who listened to all the evidence, and unanimously voted him guilty !!!

Read his biography, he pretty much says hes raped numerous women in his life - although he phrased it "from memory" about being very primal and taking what he wanted.

Anyway - admire him as a boxer - but as a person, hes got less that 5% of the class of Lisa Lewis.

[NOMIS]

I watched a doco once that said man didn't land on the moon.

And another that said the planes that hit the World Trade Center were US Air force remote controlled drones, and another .... so on and so on.

It never ceases to amaze me that people get their opinion from a TV documentary (that even if they wanted to be even handed and non biased STILL couldn't show all the evidence in a single hour) and believe that over and above a jury who listened to all the evidence, and unanimously voted him guilty !!!

Read his biography, he pretty much says hes raped numerous women in his life - although he phrased it "from memory" about being very primal and taking what he wanted.

Anyway - admire him as a boxer - but as a person, hes got less that 5% of the class of Lisa Lewis.


thanks for telling me where i must get my opinions from, But again I don't agree with you. Yes sure He was found guilty and im not saying he isn't , im saying where all the acuser's genuine?

Do agree with Anyway - admire him as a boxer - but as a person, hes got less that 5% of the class of Lisa Lewis.[/QUOTE]

[Tank]

I think I have seen the same doco, He became a easy target for women trying to make a buck. he far from a nice guy. But there is alot of doubt in all of the acusers stories.




Yes sure He was found guilty and im not saying he isn't , im saying where all the acuser's genuine?


Throughout the thread we were talking about the rape of which he was found guilty. You say that there is a lot of doubt based on a tv show.

Casting aspersions on the victim (or victims if we are covering other attacks) I think is disgusting - esp - when he has been found guilty of the crime.

Would you let your daughter date him?

How do you think you would feel if your daughter was raped and everyone goes "pfft - she just a money grabbing bitch after some $$$"

[NOMIS]

Throughout the thread we were talking about the rape of which he was found guilty. You say that there is a lot of doubt based on a tv show.

Casting aspersions on the victim (or victims if we are covering other attacks) I think is disgusting - esp - when he has been found guilty of the crime.

Would you let your daughter date him?

How do you think you would feel if your daughter was raped and everyone goes "pfft - she just a money grabbing bitch after some $$$"

Of course not. Im not saying all of the "victims" where money grabbing people. All I am saying he was accused of 6 diff sexual harrasment and rape charges a court found him guilty of 1, and a case of touching a stripper on the arse he was convicted with no charge. 3 of the accusers sold there stories to magazines for lot's of $$$$, That is fact. Not a t.v doco

[Reckless]

Its very simple for me and it has nothing to do with the typical KB debate you guys always get into. I don't think you even have to consider his past, his convictions or anything he did outside the ring, for me its about boxing.

The bloody animal bought boxing into extreme disrepute by biting the ear. Even if he's only held accountable for what he did in the ring. He should never be able to enter a ring again. That was just to much! Simple!

I'm not going either!

[Skyryder]

A person with Mike Tyson's record could not enter the USA from here, how come he can enter NZ?

Same thing for Tame Iti going to Europe etc.

Some NZr's with minor charges cant get away with it, how do these guys get around it? :nono: John.


Now we know the reason Iti's going to Europe................get out of the country before Tyson comes looking:woohoo::woohoo:


Skyryder

[Skyryder]

Some NZr's with minor charges cant get away with it, how do these guys get around it? :nono: John.


Tyson's probably got a 'Cuz' in Immigration.


Skyyrder