Calling all Burgman owners

[johnD]

I have been a Burgman owner for over 3 years ( an400 ) and have always had the feeling I don't "belong" within the established riding clubs. We don't belong to the "true" motorcycle fraternity and are avoided by the scooter (Vespa) enthusiasts.
Too big for one, too whoosey by the other.
Do you "suffer" with the same complex !, well you are not alone. I am interested in forming a big bore scooter group within the Auckland/ upper nth.Is. area to include any make of scooter, 250 and above that is capable of travelling reasonable distances at a reasonable speed.
There are scooter clubs and m/c clubs but nothing in between. If you feel this could be of interest to you or your "scene" , add your comment and name below and we will see what interest it generates. johnD

[insane1]

well bout time for this one im in.david w.

[Pogo2]

Hi John
Yes we seem to fall in to a void in between the two groups. Glad to hear that you are getting the ball rolling.

Keep us posted!

Cheers

Mark

[oldrider]

I don't own a Burgman but I sure as hell rate them as equal to any motorcycle, or anything else on two wheels. :niceone:

I have been contemplating a 650 Burgman as a possible steed in the future, mainly because of their user friendliness and our advancing age!

Getting on and off tall heavy bikes coupled with increasing Arthritic pain means we have to plan ahead for options or stop riding completely.

I test rode a 650 a while back and was really impressed by it.

There is an interesting GP 800cc V twin Gilera super scooter mentioned in BRM this month, and that has caught my attention as well.

I see Triumph NZ is bringing two of them in to the country for evaluation, ooh I would love that job. :banana: So very very me!

I worry a little that if anything should happen to me, my wife can not ride the tall bikes home with me on the back, whereas the scooter style would allow us to return to sharing the riding duties again.

We ride a lot on gravel too so I would like to hear any of your experiences/opinions on how your Burgers handle gravel roads etc.

All of you must have at least had to ride your bikes on road works etc sometime, somewhere!

Ride tall and feel proud of your bike no matter what other dumb-arses say, it's just so much better than first class walking. :ride: Cheers John.

[insane1]

there not to bad on gravel as long as it"s the hard packed stuff but if it's the real deep stuff watch out it can cause problems other than that find a dealer that will let you borrow one for quite a while and have fun.

[DougB]

Interested in a "club"

Perhaps we could meet first in Hamilton, there is a "watering hole, food place" that the Hamilton KBers use for local meetings. Good parking for bikes and good food. Central for the Tauranga Burgman owner.

I have been a member of the Ulysses club for near 20 years, member 192, they dont care what set of two wheels you ride. I created alot of interest and recieved many positive comments when I turned up at a meet on my Burgman. One of their organising members used to go on runs etc on a 200cc Vespa. She has a bigger machine now.

[carver]

well, i have ridden the 250 and 650

they are boring to ride, and gay

unless your old

then they would be excelent!

[insane1]

carver young son us older riders are not so young anymore been there done that and survived it all .now being older and wiser like to ride at a pace that dosent mean warp speed everywhere, these burgmans suit us lot to a tee .you wait and see when you get to our age if your lucky and find out you cant ride like you used to these bikes will make sense ,if i had a lot of money i"d have a 400 as well .when this ride going to happen?.

[oldrider]

well, i have ridden the 250 and 650

they are boring to ride, and gay

unless your old

then they would be excelent!

That's probably it in a nutshell carver, they are extremely user friendly and easy to ride, just what we need to keep us on the road these days! :ride:

I didn't get any gay inspiration though, you must be a bit different to me. :eek:

I don't handle rejection well either, kind-of hey, whats wrong with me? syndrome! :weep:

However, I did find it used a "lot of gas"...! :shifty:

But in defense of the 650cc Burger and if you have ridden one as you say, you will know.

Mainly hard on gas because I was like an out of control teenager, racing everything I could away from lights and burning cars off on the motorway etc. :spanking:

They can really move it away from a standing start, most fun I have had in a long time. :banana: (lol) Cheers John.

[carver]

yeah, i agree with both of you, a super scooter dont do it for a 23 y/o red blooded male!

[MisterD]

capable of travelling reasonable distances at a reasonable speed.

...and stopping all the time to take photos and sight-see and such? :dodge:

[wannabusa]

hello =)

i'd really be interested in forming a club.

but ive only been riding for just under two years so i dont really know what happens in these kinda clubs.

would be awesome if you could keep me posted.


thank you

[johnD]

Carver, at 23 you have a long way to go before you reach maturity of the average Burgman owner, those gay old farts, who have been around well before you were thought of. We've been there done.. Make contact in 10 years from now. It could be interesting. johnD

[insane1]

johnD couldn't have said it better myself, only one thing you think carver and the other smart arse young ones will be around long enough to find out what us older and wiser ones allready know, that these burgers are the best thing that hasn"'t been discovered by a lot of people.

[johnD]

DougB... What is a "good" meeting place in Hamilton. ie. easy to find from both north and south routes, close to food and fuel and some form of cover if the weather is dodgy.. johnD

[Maha]

Claudlands Showgrounds?
Ya'll gonna need somewhere expansive to park those Bad Boys...:yes:

[Pogo2]

going to the "Members list", then social groups. We could create a Burgers social group as our own forum. I also belong to the aviator one, so why not one for burgers. Can post photos etc and is a handy meeting point.

OTY

Cheers

Mark

[Pogo2]

Claudlands Showgrounds?
Ya'll gonna need somewhere expansive to park those Bad Boys...:yes:

I can land my plane in a smaller area than those "bad boys" take to park!

Surely there is no inference that burgers are circus rides - is there??:spanking:

[johnD]

How about we start the "ball rolling". An invitation to the " Big bore scooters" to include "L" plates and m/c of 250 capacity.
I have been a member of the Ulysses club for 3 years and join in their rides regulary if "suitable". Few of their outings unfortunately keep to the speed limits and often end up in a race... Sorry ,not my scene. I also ride 6 other motorcycles ( ex police bikes) when the feeling takes me!.

Join me from Auckland at the Bombay Autobahn at 0900hrs Sunday 25th. of May, weather permitting. (ph. 096265048 if adverse) for a back road ride to Hamilton? then to Waharoa to see a war birds air show if that's of interest to you, then back home. Any other suggestions please advise...!! johnD

[Maha]

Surely there is no inference that burgers are circus rides - is there??:spanking:


One would have to 'pay' for a circus ride yes?.....:confused:

[insane1]

maha man as iv'e offered bfore you can take my burger for a spin and see what you thinkof it then .im in for sunday

[carver]

johnD couldn't have said it better myself, only one thing you think carver and the other smart arse young ones will be around long enough to find out what us older and wiser ones allready know, that these burgers are the best thing that hasn"'t been discovered by a lot of people.

one thing dude is that i have discovered the burgman's and done a few thou k's on the 250!
they aint that great, but they do have a place, they are slow, and easy to deck out.
but they do have good storage, and weather protection.

the honda silver wing is so boring it almost put me to sleep

[insane1]

that i will give you carver the 250 burgers are slow and stable but if you move to the 400/650 things get more interesting and a lot quicker espically on the 650 as johnd found out when he took my burger or a ride on sat morning .

[johnD]

Carver..Hospital beds can be boring to..johnD

[DougB]

Kiwi Bikers meet bi-monthly, it seems, at a "Watering hole" and restaurant called 'The Riv'. It would be easy to give directions from North, would have to think about Southern Burgmasters. Plenty of bike parking right outside.

Last time I went I had a steak with Carvers brother as a table mate. Havent met Carver yet. I came out and found an Aprillia and a MV Augusta parked one each side of my Burgman.

[carver]

that i will give you carver the 250 burgers are slow and stable but if you move to the 400/650 things get more interesting and a lot quicker espically on the 650 as johnd found out when he took my burger or a ride on sat morning .

ridden it, and i think its worse.
for the pure reason that its more big and boring, but the sliverwing is the ultimate in boring!


Carver..Hospital beds can be boring to..johnD

true, but whats the point in riding a admittedly boring bike, to get from a to b?


Kiwi Bikers meet bi-monthly, it seems, at a "Watering hole" and restaurant called 'The Riv'. It would be easy to give directions from North, would have to think about Southern Burgmasters. Plenty of bike parking right outside.

Last time I went I had a steak with Carvers brother as a table mate. Havent met Carver yet. I came out and found an Aprillia and a MV Augusta parked one each side of my Burgman.

i saw ya there, i had the Black Kawasaki ER6n in the car park

[xgnr]

Sorry but it cracks me up to read your sig as I take it is a put down on "noobs".

Carver, you are the noob compared to the years/miles most of these guys have done on bikes.

Don't take the piss out of your elders and betters junior.

Ride safe and have respect for others bikes and, well... other people.

Stu

[carver]

Sorry but it cracks me up to read your sig as I take it is a put down on "noobs".

Carver, you are the noob compared to the years/miles most of these guys have done on bikes.

Don't take the piss out of your elders and betters junior.

Ride safe and have respect for others bikes and, well... other people.

Stu

dont take it too seriously dude, just my 2c

im no noob....

[timorang]

dont take it too seriously dude, just my 2c

im no noob....

Good wind up Carver. You got some bites. Got myself a 4burger a couple of months ago. It took a while but I have gotten to like riding it. But now it is in the shop cos I binned it (don't ask) and I miss it. It does not replace my other bikes. Burgers have a place.

[PrincessBandit]

well, i have ridden the 250 and 650

they are boring to ride, and gay

unless your old

then they would be excelent!

Feeding time at the troll park eh Carver? Your little troll tummy rumbling cos you haven't been fed for a while?
If you really have such a dislike for Burgmans (or scooters in general) what's your beak doing in this forum? Stick to where you're best recognised - in Pointless Drivel. :msn-wink:

[Balu]

Definitely interested

[Pogo2]

Feeding time at the troll park eh Carver? Your little troll tummy rumbling cos you haven't been fed for a while?
If you really have such a dislike for Burgmans (or scooters in general) what's your beak doing in this forum? Stick to where you're best recognised - in Pointless Drivel. :msn-wink:

It often makes me wonder why the piss takers are attracted to forums that they don't like. Maybe so sort of self flagulation perhaps?

[Pogo2]

Good wind up Carver. You got some bites. Got myself a 4burger a couple of months ago. It took a while but I have gotten to like riding it. But now it is in the shop cos I binned it (don't ask) and I miss it. It does not replace my other bikes. Burgers have a place.

Could be a lessons learnt for the rest of it. Thats of course if it was self inflicted.

Come on , your amongst friends!

[insane1]

the way carvers going he may not make it to our age and yes pb good post that"s were he belongs in pd .

[insane1]

everyone that owns a burger have a look in members list it"s under social groups and finally we have a group of our own and remember it"s the burg resistance is futile you will be asimilated into the collective.

[timorang]

Could be a lessons learnt for the rest of it. Thats of course if it was self inflicted.

Come on , your amongst friends!

The lesson learnt is be VERY careful on the road at school drop off and pick up time. All their attention is on "their precious" and not the driving task at hand.

Awaiting parts from japan. i will report on Vero's performance when all is done and dusted.

[johnD]

Calling all BURGMAN owners, our 1st. ride is going to happen this Sunday 25th. For Auckland, dept. Bombay at 0900 am for Claudelands carpark Hamilton, cnr Heapy/Brookland rd, Calling all Hamilton Burgman riders, see you there around 10.30-1100.. Then decide in which direction we take: a ride to Raglan or Waharoa, depending on weather or how the mood takes us.
We are all talking about it, taking the piss, now lets see if you are physically up to it.. Tauranga riders, see you in Hamilton.
A few showers are forecast, which is typical for this time of year. In the event of a wash out, I will notify all on Sat night via this site.. See you there, Go to it..JohnD

[Pogo2]

I have to work as I'm on call. Hope those showers stay away for y'all

[Pogo2]

The lesson learnt is be VERY careful on the road at school drop off and pick up time. All their attention is on "their precious" and not the driving task at hand.


Awaiting parts from japan. i will report on Vero's performance when all is done and dusted.


Might have to get bull bars on that burger huh for some protection!

[timorang]

Did the ride happen last weekend. i assume not???

[insane1]

it did only johnd and myself went on it till we joined up with dougb at hams .would have been a good ride till johnd's tire decided to have a fit.

[UberRhys]

johnd's tire decided to have a fit.

What happened? Puncture or did it warp out of shape? I have had one that warped out of shape recently... (this was to replace one that punctured and split big time. :baby: tyres ehh...)

[insane1]

no just had a lot of bubbles on right side of tire and didnt want to handle at all ,john said it was getting worse, as the day wore on. lucky we didnt go to far at all may have been a major disaster like a exploding rear tire not good.

[johnD]

The first b/man trip to Hamilton last weekend got off as planned. We could have seen more riders considering it was a near perfect day, but chose to hang out around Ham.. I had to flag away any ride that day due to tyre problems. See BUSA site under pre K7400 forum.. Its a long w/end so all you burgers get out there and have fun ,be safe.. There is an Army bay ride coming up soon in conjunction with the Magnetos for Akd riders put that on your calendar... JohnD

[timorang]

Well done you two for doing it. if you go again..... hopefully my 4burger will be on the road.

[insane1]

here's a question for you burger riders how would a full yoshi system+p/commander go on one of these scoots ,just an idea iv'e had or a while ,cost is another thing too.

[johnD]

A good trip on the Akd scooter calender. Sunday 29th. June. Scoots of all makes will be leaving Honeywell, Mt.Eden @ 0900 for Raglan via Tuakau and route 22. Home via route 39 to Rangariri.
Calling all Burgman riders both Akd and Hamilton, meeting at Raglan 1200 onwards. Weather lousey, will reply night before run.. See you there. johnD

[johnD]

A great ride to the Awhitu lighthouse via Waiuku, leaving Papakura Service Centre on motorway south at 1000am, Sunday 15th. June.. johnD

[johnD]

Please note that the run on Sunday 29th. will depart from BP Bombay instead of from Honeywell still at o900am. (Will save at least on hour) Will post note nite before if weather is or will be crap. johnD

[johnD]

That fickle finger has struck again, hopeless this time of year. The planned Raglan run for both Sat and Sunday has been cancelled... johnD

[oldrider]

Whats wrong with you Bergermen, the weather shouldn't stop you!

Hey, that Gilera GP800 V-twin has caught my attention, have any of you guys had a look at it? :eek: No chance from down here! :mellow: John.

[Pogo2]

Then you can do a review and tell us how good it is, make us jealous etc, etc........

[insane1]

nah oldrider the crappy weather didnt stop me did the rrrs course on sun in the pissing rain.

[MarkH]

Anyone tried out the older Burg's? I am looking at the idea of getting one, but am on a tight budget - I might have to start out on a 1998 400cc Skywave with low kms. I think it would be a fun alternative to the cage, especially in nice weather.
:scooter:

[UberRhys]

on a tight budget - I might have to start out on a 1998 400cc Skywave with low kms.:scooter:

Or perhaps a Honda Silver Wing, TradeMe carries a few of these at reasonable prices. (But I'm bias towards Honda though...) :shutup:

[Pogo2]

Anyone tried out the older Burg's? I am looking at the idea of getting one, but am on a tight budget - I might have to start out on a 1998 400cc Skywave with low kms. I think it would be a fun alternative to the cage, especially in nice weather.
:scooter:

I have a work collegue that is going to sell his Skywave 250 shortly. Not to sure of price, but is in good condition. If you are keen I can get the details/specs for you. Just let us know.

Cheers

Mark

[MarkH]

I have a work collegue that is going to sell his Skywave 250 shortly. Not to sure of price, but is in good condition. If you are keen I can get the details/specs for you. Just let us know.

So far every 250 I have seen on Trade Me or from Suzuki dealers is as dear as the 400cc scooters - there is probably a lot of demand from riders that don't have their full license. I really want to do some touring around the country and think a 400 is more what would suit my needs. I am sure the 250 would run happily at 110kph - but the 400 would do that speed with less effort.

But if anyone knows of a 400 Burgman/Skywave going cheap then let me know.

[MarkH]

Or perhaps a Honda Silver Wing, TradeMe carries a few of these at reasonable prices. (But I'm bias towards Honda though...) :shutup:

By a few do you mean none at all? I have been looking at all scooters over 250cc on Trade Me and have seen no Silver Wings at all over the last few weeks.

[Dave Lobster]

Might be worth stretching to a new one. Even the old dogs on Trademe are only a couple of grand cheaper.

[MarkH]

Might be worth stretching to a new one. Even the old dogs on Trademe are only a couple of grand cheaper.

You might be right - I might have to save my pennies for a new burg 400 - I was watching a ten year old one on Trade Me but with a week left to run it went from 3k to 4.5k. If it is going to cost more than $5K for a ten year old scooter than I would prefer to spend $10K and get the latest model with full warranty and no kms on the clock. They also did improvements on the '07 model including a new motor and improved storage.

So I guess that unless I can find a good 2nd hand Burg 400 at a good price I am now saving up for a new one.

Maybe I'll win the GSR 750 from the doco channel and then I could sell that and buy a burg. I wouldn't mind keeping the 750, but it would cost me too much in speeding tickets.

[Dave Lobster]

The K7 is also fuel injection, has decent lights.. and the right amount of discs on the front.
There's a K7 left in Coleman's, I think. Got to be a deal to had there, considering how long the K8 has been out now.

[1 Free Man]

Feeding time at the troll park eh Carver? Your little troll tummy rumbling cos you haven't been fed for a while?
If you really have such a dislike for Burgmans (or scooters in general) what's your beak doing in this forum? Stick to where you're best recognised - in Pointless Drivel. :msn-wink:
:clap::clap:Give 'im heaps Princess. The young upstart!!:2thumbsup

[UberRhys]

Or perhaps a Honda Silver Wing, TradeMe carries a few of these at reasonable prices. (But I'm bias towards Honda though...) :shutup:


By a few do you mean none at all? I have been looking at all scooters over 250cc on Trade Me and have seen no Silver Wings at all over the last few weeks.



True, but there is this one up for auction (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Toys-models/Die-casts/Other-die-casts/auction-169792074.htm) on TradeMe... Doesn't really count though...

[insane1]

colemans has a silverwing in atm might be worth a look at,or even my old burger still goes good ?.

[Pogo2]

True, but there is this one up for auction (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Toys-models/Die-casts/Other-die-casts/auction-169792074.htm) on TradeMe... Doesn't really count though...

I wonder if they have a burger as well!

[MarkH]

colemans has a silverwing in atm might be worth a look at,or even my old burger still goes good ?.

Looking at the Silverwing & Burger 650 I kinda think that for the sort of money they are selling for I would prefer to just save up the $10K I would need and buy a new Burger 400. Unless I can find a good 2nd hand one at a decent price in the mean time.

[carver]

a silverwing is the most boring bike i have ever ridden

[Maha]

a silverwing is the most boring bike i have ever ridden

I thought sidewinder was????

[carver]

I thought sidewinder was????

nothing wrong with predictable man

[MarkH]

a silverwing is the most boring bike i have ever ridden

So what made it so boring?

[MarkH]

Pics of my new AN400K7 are already available on the internet:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=170828284
I can't wait to meet her in person, only seen her on the internet so far, but I am already in love :scooter: :love:

[MarkH]

If anyone is looking for a practically new Burgy 400 K8 take a look at this:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Scooters//auction-162433244.htm
It is only about 3 months old and has under 1000 kms on the clock - someone bought it, rode it for a couple of months then traded it in on a 600cc Silverwing. I took it for a test ride yesterday and it went great - truly mint as and only asking $9k ride away price (new is $10k + onroad costs). Since I have gone for a cheaper bike (but year and a half old and 4000kms on the clock) this one that I test rode is still available. Maybe someone is keen to get a K8 at a saving of over a thou under the new price - make Grant at Cyclespot an offer.

[UberRhys]

Some days you look outside and say "fuck the car, where's my helmet!"

Just noticed this in your signature and have to say that IMHO the cage takes second place all the time. Mind you, with the weather recently it is more like "fuck the scoot, where's my car keys!" :baby:

[MarkH]

Just noticed this in your signature and have to say that IMHO the cage takes second place all the time. Mind you, with the weather recently it is more like "fuck the scoot, where's my car keys!" :baby:

Yeah - shitty weather ATM, but in 3 weeks It'll be Springtime!

I'm hoping for lots of nice riding weather and I can leave the car in the garage 9 days out of 10!

I bought some wet weather gear today so I stay dry on the ride home, I can store that stuff under the seat with all the fine weather I trust we will be seeing soon. Now is probably the best time to buy a bike/scoot because we have the shitty weather so next up is the nice weather :yes::cool::sunny:

[Dave Lobster]

Pics of my new AN400K7 are already available on the internet:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=170828284
I can't wait to meet her in person, only seen her on the internet so far, but I am already in love :scooter: :love:

That's a bargain.

[MarkH]

That's a bargain.

That's what I thought - especially when other older models sell for more than that price. And the colour matched top box must be worth a few hundy as well.

Anyway I should get to Mt Maunganui around midday tomorrow and hopefully the weather wont be too bad for the ride home.

[MarkH]

I had my trip to Mt Maunganui today and me and the scoot arrive home safely. Rego is due next month, but it has a new 12 WoF. It did have a reasonably full tank of gas, but after 210kms it is looking a little low - at least unlike my car I don't have to spend $70 to fill it up :niceone: (and my car is a little 1500cc Cynos, so it is better than lots of cars for petrol cost)

The windy & rainy weather was a bit of a downer, but then I came into bumper to bumper traffic on the motorway - I had to try out filtering through traffic sometime and boy does it bring on a happy feeling to cruise :scooter: past all those near stationary cages on my Burgy. Saved me a ton of time! :2thumbsup

The forecast is pretty depressing for the next few days - but it has to fine up soon, right . . . right? Well I am now ready for it so bring on the fine weather.

[insane1]

another burgman to welcome to the collective ,you have been assimilated by the burg.

[johnD]

Hey all you Burgman riders, the Magnetos scooter club have interesting rides starting from the 30th of Aug. Dont sit there and rot. I know it's been a very wet 2 months. Get out there for a blast. Come join us... johnD

[Dave Lobster]

From latte shop to latte shop? I'm struggling to think of anything more mind numbing.

edit.. yes I can. Having to invite 50cc mopeds along..

[MarkH]

From latte shop to latte shop? I'm struggling to think of anything more mind numbing.

edit.. yes I can. Having to invite 50cc mopeds along..

I would have to agree.

In my opinion there are many categories of bikers and we don't all have the same views on what a good bike is. There are the sports bike riders, the tourer bike riders, the cruiser riders, the little scooter riders, the classic scooter riders and the maxi scooter riders.

Burgmans are maxi scooters and the fans of such things can appreciate them for the great machines they are. If we get together we can compliment each other on our rides and don't tend to use words like 'ghey' or 'ugly'.

We need to form a maxi scooter group for owners of these scooters and any other similar ones:
Aprillia Atlantic 500
Honda Silverwing 400
Honda Silverwing 600
Piaggio X9
Suzuki Burgman 250
Suzuki Burgman 400
Suzuki Burgman 650
Yamaha Majesty 250
Yamaha T-Max

I think that there might be quite a few other scooters that fit the category too. A quick google finds this site: www.maxi-scoots.com which is quite a good idea - there is a lot of common ground between all riders of maxi scooters. If we organise a get together for the Burgman owners I vote we make it for any maxi scooter owners and happily mix with the Silverwing & Majesty riders.

[Dave Lobster]

If we get together we can compliment each other on our rides and don't tend to use words like 'ghey' or 'ugly'.


OMG.. I stand corrected..

[UberRhys]

we can compliment each other on our rides and don't tend to use words like 'ghey' or 'ugly'.


OMG.. I stand corrected..



:rofl: :rofl: :killingme :killingme

[johnD]

Not all Magnetos rides revolve around the latte set. Rides to suit everyone is impossible. The club will be having "extended" rides to suit 250cc riders.
Hey dont knock em, at least they are getting out, and the more "big" bikes that come along the better. Maybe then we can establish a sub ride group.
So far there has been little happening on the Burgman scene. All talk and no action. Think about it.

[Dave Lobster]

Hey dont knock em, at least they are getting out, and the more "big" bikes that come along the better. Maybe then we can establish a sub ride group.

All talk and no action. Think about it.

I think I just tasted vomit in the back of my throat.



Hey dont knock em, at least they are getting out, and the more "big" bikes that come along the better.

I get out every day, going to work and back. If I feel like 'getting out' in the evenings, or at the weekend, I'll just do it. I wouldn't want to 'get out' with other people sitting in front like mobile chicanes.

[MarkH]

Not all Magnetos rides revolve around the latte set. Rides to suit everyone is impossible. The club will be having "extended" rides to suit 250cc riders.
Hey dont knock em, at least they are getting out, and the more "big" bikes that come along the better. Maybe then we can establish a sub ride group.
So far there has been little happening on the Burgman scene. All talk and no action. Think about it.

From what I can see on the pics on the Magnetos site there are a lot of members that like the classic Vespa stylings of scooters. While some may have no objection to the modern Japanese maxi scooter designs, I suspect many don't like the modern style - to each his own, no problem there. But do I want to hang out with guys that turn up their nose at the type of scoot I ride?

Maybe the "extended" rides for bigger scoots would be OK, but I doubt the maxi scoots would fit in well with their regular meets.

As I mentioned in an earlier post - a get together for all maxi scoots makes more sense - Burgmans, Silver Wings, Majestys and similar scoots would mix well together. Obviously what I prefer is superior, but really how hard is it to see that the Majesty 400 or Silver Wing 400 is reasonably comparable to my Burgan 400 in capability. The sorts of things other maxi scooter riders appreciate in their scoots is going to be similar to what I like in mine. The similar views on scoots is likely to make for a more friendly meet.

We probably need a maxi scooter thread to find out how many of us there are on this forum. This Burgman thread is OK, but it may not be so inviting for owners of other brands of maxis. It seems that there are a few Burgman 400 & 650 owners as well as a Silver Wing owner or 2. Any easy way of getting a head count?

[MarkH]

So far there has been little happening on the Burgman scene. All talk and no action. Think about it.

One obvious thing here - maybe we could get together once the weather improves - Spring will be here in just over a week and I am keen to get out more in the fine weather. Why be so negative - just cause not much has happened during a miserable wet winter doesn't mean we wont get keen when the fine weather hits.

[Pogo2]

MarkH

Tried the meet up thing before - never happened and died a natural death. Maybe better weather would help - lets see. Why not nominate a date , time and place?

Re Magnetos ride. On the last 'cafe cruise' there were 3 burgers and whilst not everyones cup of tea I enjoy the occaisional run now and again as time and life permit. Yes there are a few die hard Vespa fans, but I have found everyone to be pleasant and not really too concerned about what you ride.

Prior to have a burger I had a BMW and that club consisted of runs 200+ km distance. I never had the time to do that and in 10 years membership I never did a run! In saying that I never went so maybe I got the wrong idea. Why not come on a Magnetos run some time.

If there is a meet, the weather good and I'm not working maybe we can catch up.

[Pogo2]

Under "Members list" the go "Social groups" there is one for Burgman owners.

Last posted yonks ago, no activity so I pulled the pin on it as few contributors. Maybe we can resurrect it

[carver]

discvovered? i have ridden:
the burgman 650
the silverwing 600
The burgman 250
the Piaggo MP3
the suzuki SJ 125
The honda Dylan 150
the Honda lead 100
the piaggo PX200
The Piaggo liberty

i have owned a few of those.
and the big ones are all boring and dull

burgmans and gravel are a handfull, i would not rate them, the susp and small wheels cant take it

[insane1]

big burgmans are not that dull ,there designed to do a job and do it quite well,iv'e had 2 of them and in nearly 30,000kms no real problems.

[carver]

big burgmans are not that dull ,there designed to do a job and do it quite well,iv'e had 2 of them and in nearly 30,000kms no real problems.

no problems, just a boring bike, thats all im saying.

[insane1]

for us older more responsable riders there good for what they are and iv'e had 2 650 burgers and 2 250 burgers all up for the best part of 50,000kms .

[carver]

good on ya, its not about being responsiblr or mature, they are just not stimulating to ride

[MarkH]

no problems, just a boring bike, thats all im saying.

It might be what you're saying - but that doesn't make it true.
If you were saying "I don't personally find them exciting" then no one could say that you are wrong. But other people have different opinions like: "fun to ride", "plenty of power to do the job", "great little tourer", "ease of use makes this more enjoyable to ride", etc.

The fact is that the Burgman 650 scooters are very capable tourers and the CVT makes them fun in the traffic - so easy to open the throttle and surge past almost any car and quite a number of other bikes too.
When you read various different reviews on the maxi scooters you find that many reviewers are surprised by just how great these scooters are and very few find them "boring".

If you don't like these maxi scooters then why are you even posting in this thread?

[carver]

It might be what you're saying - but that doesn't make it true.
If you were saying "I don't personally find them exciting" then no one could say that you are wrong. But other people have different opinions like: "fun to ride", "plenty of power to do the job", "great little tourer", "ease of use makes this more enjoyable to ride", etc.

The fact is that the Burgman 650 scooters are very capable tourers and the CVT makes them fun in the traffic - so easy to open the throttle and surge past almost any car and quite a number of other bikes too.
When you read various different reviews on the maxi scooters you find that many reviewers are surprised by just how great these scooters are and very few find them "boring".

If you don't like these maxi scooters then why are you even posting in this thread?

because insane1 dragged me into it!

they are boring, and slow!
my DRZ400 will smoke a 650 burg anyday!

[MarkH]

because insane1 dragged me into it!

they are boring, and slow!
my DRZ400 will smoke a 650 burg anyday!

Wow - that's pretty crappy arguing right there!

Surely you would have to agree that your DRZ400 is boring and slow too? After all a Hayabusa would smoke that slow bike any day without even needing top gear! (would a Hayabusa even need 4th?) In fact the list of bikes that can EASILY smoke a DRZ400 would be fairly long. If this is your criteria for what makes an interesting bike then you would appear to have purchased the wrong one!

It still seems obvious that what you find interesting in a bike is different to what Burgman owners find interesting and YOUR OPINION of what is boring is not the same as everyone else in the world.

TBH
If I made a list of bikes that I would personally like to own - like a list of 20 bikes, or even 30 bikes - the DRZ400 would not be on that list. Do you think that makes your bike an undesirable one, or just a bike that is not to MY tastes?

[carver]

wow - that's pretty crappy arguing right there!

Surely you would have to agree that your drz400 is boring and slow too? After all a hayabusa would smoke that slow bike any day without even needing top gear! (would a hayabusa even need 4th?) in fact the list of bikes that can easily smoke a drz400 would be fairly long. If this is your criteria for what makes an interesting bike then you would appear to have purchased the wrong one!

It still seems obvious that what you find interesting in a bike is different to what burgman owners find interesting and your opinion of what is boring is not the same as everyone else in the world.

Tbh
if i made a list of bikes that i would personally like to own - like a list of 20 bikes, or even 30 bikes - the drz400 would not be on that list. Do you think that makes your bike an undesirable one, or just a bike that is not to my tastes?

good point
its just my point of view....
The drz could never be considered boring, well, nit my one anyway.
Standard ones are a bit bland

[Dave Lobster]

Funnily enough.. A DRz was second on my list of bikes to buy to commute on. If I didn't have to take a passenger, there'd be one in the garage now.

[insane1]

bullshit carver i never dragged you into anything you put your nose where it wasnt wanted so fuck off.

[carver]

bullshit carver i never dragged you into anything you put your nose where it wasnt wanted so fuck off.

no.......

ten char

[MarkH]

Today my new Givi windscreen arrived, I bought a new helmet and I went for a ride with my GPS cell phone giving me an accurate speed reading. I also filled up for the second time.

The Givi windscreen:
Yeah - anyone with the same scooter as me should buy one! Riding into the city I was doing 100kph (no faster, cause that would be illegal) and I had my visor UP, I didn't really feel the need to pull the visor down. With the old windscreen I used to flip the visor up at intersections and down above 40kph. I tried riding a little without my right glove - not much wind hitting my hands, I didn't try this above 50kph though cause I don't really like riding without all my safety gear. But I couldn't feel a lot of wind on my gloves at 100kph. I have read about cutting off 2 - 4 inches from this screen to allow a view over rather than through this screen - I don't think I will be doing that. I can sit up taller and look over the screen if I have to, this is probably an important safety thing. I am around 5'11" to 6' and the height of the screen is pretty much exactly what I want it to be. Maybe the more vertically challenged would want to cut some off so they could look over the screen when they need to.

My new Nolan 103 flip face helmet:
Very nice helmet, on my head it is comfortable. I love the internal sun visor that I can raise or lower while riding. I will have to wait until I can get the correct wire for my cell phone before I can test how easily I can take a call while riding. Music comes through OK with the multimedia wire connected to my phone.

GPS vs speedo test:
At 50kph my speedo reads about 55, at 100 it reads about 110 and at 125 it reads about 137ish. Fairly consistant at 10% over. I have managed about 155kph indicated on the flat prevously - I would guess that means 140kph actual. At 120 indicated I am doing 108-109kph actual - I will look at trying to keep at 120 or below on the open road to save me money on tickets. The handy thing is that this speedo inaccuracy is almost identical to my car's - not hard then for me to remember what the indicated speed really means.

2nd Petrol fill:
I had zeroed my 'trip meter A; when I first filled my scoot. I filled again to the same level and it took 10.34 Litres. Before resetting the trip meter I noted that it read 262kms and 25.0 km/litre. If the trip meter was correct then I would have needed 10.48 Litres - that's pretty damn close. I would have managed better than 25km/l but I did quite a bit of city riding with sitting at red lights and start/stop riding in traffic and so forth.

[timorang]

Today my new Givi windscreen arrived, I bought a new helmet and I went for a ride with my GPS cell phone giving me an accurate speed reading. I also filled up for the second time.

The Givi windscreen:
Yeah - anyone with the same scooter as me should buy one! Riding into the city I was doing 100kph (no faster, cause that would be illegal) and I had my visor UP, I didn't really feel the need to pull the visor down. With the old windscreen I used to flip the visor up at intersections and down above 40kph. I tried riding a little without my right glove - not much wind hitting my hands, I didn't try this above 50kph though cause I don't really like riding without all my safety gear. But I couldn't feel a lot of wind on my gloves at 100kph. I have read about cutting off 2 - 4 inches from this screen to allow a view over rather than through this screen - I don't think I will be doing that. I can sit up taller and look over the screen if I have to, this is probably an important safety thing. I am around 5'11" to 6' and the height of the screen is pretty much exactly what I want it to be. Maybe the more vertically challenged would want to cut some off so they could look over the screen when they need to.

My new Nolan 103 flip face helmet:
Very nice helmet, on my head it is comfortable. I love the internal sun visor that I can raise or lower while riding. I will have to wait until I can get the correct wire for my cell phone before I can test how easily I can take a call while riding. Music comes through OK with the multimedia wire connected to my phone.

GPS vs speedo test:
At 50kph my speedo reads about 55, at 100 it reads about 110 and at 125 it reads about 137ish. Fairly consistant at 10% over. I have managed about 155kph indicated on the flat prevously - I would guess that means 140kph actual. At 120 indicated I am doing 108-109kph actual - I will look at trying to keep at 120 or below on the open road to save me money on tickets. The handy thing is that this speedo inaccuracy is almost identical to my car's - not hard then for me to remember what the indicated speed really means.

2nd Petrol fill:
I had zeroed my 'trip meter A; when I first filled my scoot. I filled again to the same level and it took 10.34 Litres. Before resetting the trip meter I noted that it read 262kms and 25.0 km/litre. If the trip meter was correct then I would have needed 10.48 Litres - that's pretty damn close. I would have managed better than 25km/l but I did quite a bit of city riding with sitting at red lights and start/stop riding in traffic and so forth.

Good write up and my experience is exactly the same as yours regarding the screen (I am your height) and economy. The weather protection is great, and in the past few months i have not ridden my other bike at all. But once the weather improves the Burgman wil have to take more of a back seat. Its a neat bike.

[johnD]

Todate, there are 5 riders keen to do a 6 day trip from Akd around East Cape, Gisbourne, Napier, Wgtn, Wanganui, Taumaranui and home.
Plan to do it in 6 days 5 nights, either the 1st or 2nd week of Oct, depending on the weather. Ideal for any big bore scooter. Join part way through.
If interested add a reply to this thread. johnD

[MarkH]

So I am now noticing an occasional clutch squeal and I don't think I really want to bother with the Suzuki replacement. I am thinking about getting a Malossi Maxi Fly Clutch and while I am about it the J. Costa Variator.

I read up about the variator here: http://burgmanusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=23549
It seems that with standard configuration the 0-100kph time would drop from 10.5s to 8.5s and that by removing some weights it could be improved even more. The Malossi clutch should engage and disengage better (more smoothly). For the sort of riding I am currently doing this could be quite a big improvement - after riding between 2 rows of cars to get to the front at the lights I want to get away pretty quick when the lights turn green. I don't think I will change the belt at the same time though - I am only up to about 5000kms on the clock, probably won't need a new belt till around the 24000km mark.

Does anyone have any experience with this kind of work on a scooter? I think I would rather do most of my own work if possible which would save some considerable $ compared to taking it in to a workshop to have it done. I managed to change my windscreen OK. I might need to buy some sockets for my rattle gun though.

[insane1]

mark h give me a pm get a service manual and the bits you need and when you want to do this change.

[johnD]

If the clutch on your K7 is making noises, don't worry. Brakes squeal. My K4 clutch makes the odd howl if I hammer the clutch on quick take offs.
Don't waste your money on new clutch parts until the bike has 50/60,000kms on the clock. Quicker take offs mean lower top speed. You can't have it both ways. johnD

[Dave Lobster]

Yes you can. The J Costa variator works differently to the standard one. It improves take off, and lowers revs at higher speeds.

[MarkH]

I have been thinking about what I have spent so far on my scooter and realised that even if I buy a Malossi clutch and a J Costa variator - the total spend will still be more than $2K less than a new scooter that doesn't have a Givi windscreen or top box would have cost me, and that is comparing it to the deal Coleman's offered me on the new K7 on the floor (about $1K off).

From what I have read the clutch + variator parts will improve the way the scooter drive train works to what a lot of people think Suzuki should have done in the first place. It will still be a 400 and wont have the power & torque of the 650 but will have noticeably improved acceleration and 'on power' 'off power' feel - if you understand what I mean. They say that when cruising with traffic you can open the throttle and the power comes through better for good acceleration with no 'dead spots'. It really sounds like the scooter will feel like a new improved machine.

I just need to make sure I can afford to be spending the money to import these parts. But I have been getting a good flow of work recently, so within a month or so my money flow should be fairly good. I will at least wait until after the closing date for this month on my credit card before I put the order through.

[MarkH]

At the moment I am busy on Saturday, but have no plans for Sunday . . . . . weather forecast is for fine weather . . . . . so, are we going to meet up and go for a ride or what?

Who's in?

[johnD]

There is ride through the Ulysses club that will be departing Sun 14th. at 1000am from The Warehouse car park, Albany. It is designed for slower bikes and cruisers. I'll be on it on my an400. No problem keeping up. Come and join us as my guest, see if you like it.. johnD

[Badjelly]

So I am now noticing an occasional clutch squeal and I don't think I really want to bother with the Suzuki replacement. I am thinking about getting a Malossi Maxi Fly Clutch and while I am about it the J. Costa Variator...

It didn't take you long to become dissatisfied with your new toy!

[johnD]

Come on all you B/man and big scooter operaters, the ride for you.
Sat 18th. OCT. Dept Burger King, Mt. Well, at 0900am, for Waihi and Whangamata. It's organised through the Magnetos club. Many members have other bikes as well as Vespas and "wosey" scooters. It wont be a race or who can burn the most rubber, so could be quite BORING. All welcome. johnD

[MarkH]

It didn't take you long to become dissatisfied with your new toy!

Actually I was thinking that if my scooter is this much fun now - imagine how big my smile would be if some after market parts could make it even better. I am also mindful of the fact that since getting the scooter I have only used my car when I have needed to transport gear that wont fit on my scooter. So the scooter is my primary transport - therefore I would look to prioritise spending money on the scooter ahead of the car.

I am also thinking about what I would need to go camping on my scooter - I have a tent, but my sleeping bag is too big. I would probably need one of those goose down sleeping bags that rolls up really small + a bed roll that is OK for comfort, but doesn't take up much space. Apparently a Kermit chair is a popular choice for bike campers for a chair that can fit in most luggage.

Just because I am thinking of buying more stuff it doesn't mean I don't like the stuff I have. If I was dissatisfied with my scooter I would not be so keen on spending money on it, rather than buying it lots of after market goodies.

[MarkH]

Come on all you B/man and big scooter operaters, the ride for you.
Sat 18th. OCT. Dept Burger King, Mt. Well, at 0900am, for Waihi and Whangamata. It's organised through the Magnetos club. Many members have other bikes as well as Vespas and "wosey" scooters. It wont be a race or who can burn the most rubber, so could be quite BORING. All welcome. johnD

I might be up for that if I can keep that day clear.

If I found it Boring riding at a cruisey speed and only liked to burn rubber and race then I would have bought a fast crotch rocket rather than a maxi scooter.

[MarkH]

There is ride through the Ulysses club that will be departing Sun 14th. at 1000am from The Warehouse car park, Albany. It is designed for slower bikes and cruisers. I'll be on it on my an400. No problem keeping up. Come and join us as my guest, see if you like it.. johnD

That might be worth considering. Looking at the Ulysses website it seems I am old enough (just) to join even. The weather forecast looks good for Sunday so I definitely want to get out on the scooter and ride somewhere. So far it is a choice of joining you on the Ulysses ride or the MAHA 400.

[Swoop]

:doh::doh::doh:

[carver]

Come on all you B/man and big scooter operaters, the ride for you.
Sat 18th. OCT. Dept Burger King, Mt. Well, at 0900am, for Waihi and Whangamata. It's organised through the Magnetos club. Many members have other bikes as well as Vespas and "wosey" scooters. It wont be a race or who can burn the most rubber, so could be quite BORING. All welcome. johnD

cool, might see you on the MP3

[UberRhys]

"wosey" scooters

hmmm... :confused:

[MarkH]

There is ride through the Ulysses club that will be departing Sun 14th. at 1000am from The Warehouse car park, Albany. It is designed for slower bikes and cruisers. I'll be on it on my an400. No problem keeping up. Come and join us as my guest, see if you like it.. johnD

I think I'll take you up on this offer John. It'll be good to meet you and see what the Ulysses club guys are like.

[johnD]

There seems to be a lot of interest generated so far for this ride. The main group will leave Mt. Well at 0900am and should be at Paeroa around 1000 onwards. That would be an ideal time and place to meet the Hamilton "Chapta", so they can join us over the hill as planned. Put it on your calender as a must do . First of many I hope.. johnD

[maybe]

I was born and bred in NZ my last bike there was a suzuki LC1500. We shifted to Brisbane just on a year ago, I bought a yamaha XVS1100A when we arrived.
A couple of weeks ago I rode a 650 Bergman, it is now in my garage in place of the 1100.
I have joined a club here called MaxiTaggers the web page is www.maxitag.org/index.html it is well worth a look

[johnD]

Mark, from the Magnetos club, will be leading a ride from Burger King, Mt. Well, 0900 sharp. for Paeroa.
To save me and other riders living in the south of Akd doubling back to Mt. Well, I'll be leaving from BP Bombay at 0900, so as to get to Paeroa around 1000.
Those riders from the south, come and join me from this departure point in Akd.
There could be a number of Hamilton and districts riders joining us at Paeroa.
Hope to be in Paeroa early to " welcome " them to the ride.
The masses ( we hope ),from Akd. should be arriving from 1030 onwards. Time for a quick break before the gorge. Now it's all up to the weather gods. johnD

[MarkH]

Mark, from the Magnetos club, will be leading a ride from Burger King, Mt. Well, 0900 sharp. for Paeroa.

I am planning on being there - I am in Onehunga so Mt Wellington BK is only about 10 minutes away. Hopefully the weather will be reasonable, but I'll probably go on the ride regardless.

[MarkH]

I am planning on being there - I am in Onehunga so Mt Wellington BK is only about 10 minutes away. Hopefully the weather will be reasonable, but I'll probably go on the ride regardless.

I will be going on the ride tomorrow. The forecast is for fine periods and some showers - I don't think it will be too bad at all. I have wet weather gear anyway (over-trousers, over-jacket & over-gloves) which I keep under the seat. It should be a good ride & I am looking forward to it.

[PrincessBandit]

Great ride, nice to meet so many new people. :scooter::wavey:

[MarkH]

I too enjoyed the ride - nice meeting lots of new people including a princess :wavey: :2thumbsup

I especially liked the corners from Waihi to Whangamata & Whangamata to Kopu, lots of fun. Got to show some people on motorbikes how capable the Burgy 400 (the guy on the Harley seemed surprised at how easily I could keep up with him) is, truly a scoot that is capable of over 300kms of open road touring any day. Averaged better than 25kms per litre too.

[UberRhys]

Great ride, nice to meet so many new people. :scooter::wavey:

Was good to meet you as well and your burger riding fella.

[johnD]

I am taking a ride to Waiuku and districts this Sunday the 9th Nov. If you can cruise comfortably at 80-90 k/hr your on.
Join me at the Jolly Farmer at 1000am. Bring your own lunch or take your chances at Waiuku. Trip should take around 5 hrs. Back home by 3.30pm.
See you then.... johnD

[Dave Lobster]

80 or 90km/h?

A 125 would struggle to get left behind, wouldn't it?

Wouldn't 120/130 be more in line with a Burgman's performance, and keep it from getting boring?

[PrincessBandit]

80 or 90km/h? ...
Wouldn't 120/130 be more in line with a Burgman's performance, and keep it from getting boring?

Short answer = yes. But then Balu rides his Burgman differently from how I ride it (:whistle:). The run out to somewhere like Port Waikato might be more in the vicinity of 80-90 kph though, especially towards the last stretch before the beach.....

[Dave Lobster]

The run out to somewhere like Port Waikato might be more in the vicinity of 80-90 kph though, especially towards the last stretch before the beach.....

Wouldn't last one there buys the round be more fun?

It must be a risk (considering the age burgman riders on here appear to act) going on a long ride, in case you don't make it to the end.

[UberRhys]

Wouldn't last one there buys the round be more fun?


Hehehe... :lol: :lol:
Have to agree, thats one of the best ideas I have heard.
Anything else and it's just being a :baby:

[maybe]

Good one john hope the idea takes off, it certainly works in Brisbane to the extent that we have such fun rides there is now a few cruisers that tag along, and yes with the 650 Burgman they somtimes have trouble keeping up :woohoo::devil2:

[Dave Lobster]

Anything else and it's just being a :baby:

Isn't that what this thread is all about?

[KiwiKat]

I went for a quiet cruise with a mate last night. me on a Katana and him on a 250 Burgman. I was really surprised at how well the 250 went. Accelerated quite quickly, cruised easily at 120k, sufficient power to overtake and topped 130k.

Part way through the ride we changed bikes. A lot of fun. Firstly I had trouble pulling out from the gutter as I didn't have enough revs and didn't want to over rev it. A slight push off and I was happy. Once it was going it was definitely like a scooter to ride, a very upright riding position. After riding the Katana it seemed strange to have the feet in front with no thigh support and the handlebar seemed very close. The small tyres were very noticeable (a little bit of movement) but the smoothness and quietness blew me away. This must surely be what an electric bike is like ride, speed just continually increasing past 100k at a reasonable rate. Awesome wind / weather protection with just a little bit of fairing noise. A very low centre of gravity so probably very stable when used the rider is more used to it.

Riding the Burgman was a lot of fun and I am sure I would enjoy one of these in the stable. I must try out a 400 or 650. I'll keep the Katana as my preference but this is definitely on my to do list. I think the wife would also be happy with this.

[Dave Lobster]

The 400 is much nicer to ride. Not half as thirsty either as the 250. The 250 we had briefly, while our 400 was in for a new clutch, was as thirsty as a 650.
The 400 isn't half as upright either, making it a lot more comfortable.

[Pogo2]

The 400 is much nicer to ride. Not half as thirsty either as the 250.

The 400 is good on the gas. Took mine through the Northern Gateway last week and the display showed 71 miles/US gallon equating to 84 MPG or over 31km/litre. Based on a 85 mile ride start to finish. Around town I get 60-65 miles/USG.

[Dave Lobster]

The 400 is good on the gas. Took mine through the Northern Gateway last week and the display showed 71 miles/US gallon equating to 84 MPG or over 31km/litre. Based on a 85 mile ride start to finish. Around town I get 60-65 miles/USG.

Nanna. :whistle:

[MarkH]

The 400 is good on the gas. Took mine through the Northern Gateway last week and the display showed 71 miles/US gallon equating to 84 MPG or over 31km/litre. Based on a 85 mile ride start to finish. Around town I get 60-65 miles/USG.

The best I have done on mine is 31.4 km/l for 15kms, that was as long as I could take riding 80-90kph (indicated) and then I had to give it some more throttle and pass the van. Normally I only get around 25-26 km/l because I like to move at a reasonable speed.

[Pogo2]

Nanna. :whistle:

I was on annual leave so no need to hurry:bleh:

[insane1]

the 650,s arent to bad on fuel did 1095 kms or 22.3 km/lt cost me $82 palmy and back so not too bad.

[MarkH]

the 650,s arent to bad on fuel did 1095 kms or 22.3 km/lt cost me $82 palmy and back so not too bad.

I think that would compare well to pretty much any 650cc motorcycle, I've talked to guys riding fast sports bikes and they mention figures like 17km/l - compared to that 22km/l is pretty decent. You also need to consider that it is a 650cc machine capable of exceeding 160kph (actual speed with is much better than the overly optimistic indicated speed, the speedo will probably get up to 180kph), you can't really expect it to be more economical than a 250.

BTW
I also ran up over 1000kms this weekend - now I will have to do my 18,000km oil & filter change. That is over 14000kms run up in less than 6 months, I hope I don't wear the poor thing out.

[Dave Lobster]

My 400 does 26km/l, two up, with enough of the missus' shit to fill under the seat and a 46l top box. Steady 120/130 up and down the motorway.

At a similar speed and load, the 650 we had did about 16km/l. Now, this is probably fine if you only use it for nipping around. But we do 2000km a month, and that's a huge amount of extra cash on fuel, for no real gain.

For the none euro types amongst us, that's 71mpg on the 400 and about 45 (50 once) on the 650.

[johnD]

Sunday the 1st of March the Ulysses club will be riding from Akd. to Cambridge for the Hamilton toy run. Leaves Autobahn Cafe, bombay, 0830 sharp.
Lets see how many Burgs can turn up as it will be an easy run down route
1A to Cambridge. Then at 1100am main gathering will depart Cam to Ham.
Last year over 900 bikes of all shapes and sizes turned up. Great stuff. johnD see you there.

[johnD]

OK all you big bore scooterists here's a good run coming up very soon.
Departing from the old Drury pub, 5kms south of Papakura, at 1000am for the Whangamata Beach Hop. March 28th.
It's a gathering for hot rods mostly. Will be passing through Paeroa for a stop, at around 11.15 onwards, join us there. johnD

[johnD]

The town of Whitianga is hosting a "Festival of Speed" ; www.whitiangafos.co.nz Apl. 4th and 5th
For those interested in joining me for a day trip to this venue I will be departing Papakura Service Centre, at 8.00am Sat 4th for Whitianga via Tairua and back after the "show". Weather dependant.
Akd to Whitianga, 2.5 hrs. johnD

[Gizzit]

well, i have ridden the 250 and 650

they are boring to ride, and gay

unless your old

then they would be excelent!

Carver ..... "you're a c unt" :D (and excelent ..... is "spelt" excellent, K ?)

[Gizzit]

yeah, i agree with both of you, a super scooter dont do it for a 23 y/o red blooded male!

Mate , like a lot of riders here, ..... I've been 23 more than twice ... and have still got big balls ..... and plenty of red blood !!

The thing is ..... you don't know, what you don't know !! :whistle: :D

[carmad]

Hi there, I've only just joined Kiwibiker, and was wondering if you formed this club, and when you meet for runs etc? Thanks, Mike