Ardmore in the news... [Archive]

green machine

19th May 2008, 17:35

I was there and she(and many others) were watching about were you drop on to the track on practice days......the bike ended up in the ditch that runs parallel to the metal road that goes to the start gate....it was awful to see her and the rider laying prone and the distress of her family around her.I really hope things turn out for the best and my thoughts and sympathies go out to all impacted by this....

arj127

19th May 2008, 18:01

How can the SCU get involved when it is not a public road or a registered vehicle.

All the best to injured riders and the AMA club.

scott411

19th May 2008, 19:17

the SCU will investaigate all serious injury accidents, i have had the misfortune of having to deal with them,

Reckless

20th May 2008, 18:51

I hope a few things here:

That the girl gets better and there's no lasting effects.

Coming from a Karting background, I thought that things where a bit less controlled around mx. When I first started I was amazed at how little flag control there was. How guys on practice days seemed to be able to wander off and on the tracks anywhere. I saw a prang at one of the major events where one guy had an off, then about 4-5 other guys landed on him after a blind jump over about 30+ secs until a official came running from another part of the track and started waving his arms at the top of the jump.
Coming from the strict flags on every corner, never mix juniors and seniors, hand up and only ever depart at one track point, atmosphere, this seemed a little loose to me and I considered not letting my kids do MX. It was only for the genuine and obvious, help, carefulness and consideration on the track you get from other riders. I saw riders stop to help kids, stop and run down the track to warn other riders, stop and park on an angle to warn others and protect the fallen, this made the difference. This is really just an observation I'm not going to criticize any track or organisation but compared to Karting there is quite a bit less control and track etiquette.

The Final thing is, I hope to hell this doesn't give the people Against Ardmore enough ammo to shut it down. Its a great place to go and the very last MX track remotely close to the city.

Thoughts are with the poor kid that got clobbered it ain't a good place to stand down there after those jumps. Poor old John might be in a bit of trouble?

B0000M

20th May 2008, 19:37

i wouldve thought as a rider, she would know that where she was standing couldve been particularly dangerous, i also wouldve thought that if in fact she was paying attention, she whould know what a dude about to crash looks like and move accordingly.

i feel sorry for the guy riding if anyone has been questioning him or whatever, he was just there riding his bike, he cocked up, thats motorsport.
MOTOR RACING IS DANGEROUS, SPECTATORS ATTENDING DO SO ENTIRELY AT THEIR OWN RISK yadda yadda yadda

edited husky125

green machine

20th May 2008, 19:57

That's a bit harsh Boooom,it happened so fast i doubt anyone would have time to react and move....agreed nobody can blame the rider but as i said earlier she was one of many people watching from there..... she was just a kid enjoying the sport she obviously loves and she was just the very unlucky person who was hit.......by the way does anybody know how she's doing ?

scott411

20th May 2008, 19:59

That's a bit harsh Boooom,it happened so fast i doubt anyone would have time to react and move....agreed nobody can blame the rider but as i said earlier she was one of many people watching from there.....silly woman? she was just a kid enjoying the sport she obviously loves and she was just the very unlucky person who was hit......

X 2

agreed Steve, this is not the time or the place to be blaming anyone

B0000M

20th May 2008, 20:40

telliman

20th May 2008, 21:04

i dont really think its anyones fault, the fact of the matter is shit happens from time to time, and incidents like this sure as shit dont need media coverage or police investigation.

the only time you ever see anything mx related in the news is when 'some poor innocent person' gets run down by a bike

not a good image.

your a hard man!

iv gone off that corner before,luckly it was at the end of a practice night and not the start, cause i flew out of the berm right where all the juniors would have been waiting to go out.
i think i got more of a fright than the flag martial i just missed.
that corners been an accident waiting to happen me says.

green machine

20th May 2008, 21:10

i dont really think its anyones fault, the fact of the matter is shit happens from time to time, and incidents like this sure as shit dont need media coverage or police investigation.

the only time you ever see anything mx related in the news is when 'some poor innocent person' gets run down by a bike

not a good image.

I agree it's not a good image but unfortunatly bad media coverage and Police investigations are just a sign of the times.I work in an industry where safety regulations are suffocating and OSH say..... there is no such thing as an accident....and when they happen organisations like OSH and the Police want to hold someone accountable,unfortunatly this way of thinking has filtered into our personal lives.........like a woman who's kids were killed when she had a car crash last year....she was charged with manslaugther......i hope everything ends well for the rider,the AMA and the girl who was hit

Goonrider

21st May 2008, 08:29

Your a dick BOOOM. Maybe you should use my username.

jimmy 2006

21st May 2008, 08:57

i agree with the fact that the corner is an accident waiting to happen.
i have seen so many people cock it up. they come in way to fast (trying to impress all the spectators on the containers) then over shoot it or fly off the berm.
last time i was there they had 2 guys with busted wrists sitting just above the berm being treated by the ambo's. maybe not the best place to be treating injuries?

could a simple solution be to build up the outside of the berm with tyres?
then get people waiting behind the gate before the next session starts?

cheese

21st May 2008, 09:10

Hmm I kind of a agree with Booom to be honnest. Not a nice accident, but you shouldn't stand next to the track. They have a veiwing platform built to watch the people ride. I think of it like all those nutty people who watch the rally at teh side of the road. Worst thing is that if she was probably not watching from a corner she would probably be fine and the rider would be the only person hurt.

Its one of those nasty accidents that will probably change things at ardmore so you can't stand around the track now, or there will be designated veiwing/photo spots.

Hope everyone gets well soon.

Husky125

21st May 2008, 12:02

Booom your a dickhead, i saw the whole thing happen. No one could of got out of the way it happened so fast i almost couldn't believe what i saw. its no one fault just a really unfortunate accident I hope the girl gets better.

Goonrider

21st May 2008, 12:03

Hey yeh all motorcross tracks should be fenced by now thats a great idea see ya Ardmore, Harrisville, Ken Fells and just about any other motox track in New Zealand except Taupo and Whakatane. Yeah i agree not the best place to stand but got to admit we probably all have stood at that corner at some stage. I just had an issue of calling her a silly women.

Husky125

21st May 2008, 12:14

Its proli not a bad idea to put some kind of fence up. And i would say pretty well everyone down there has stood on that corner i know i have. I didn't really think something like that could happen.

camchain

21st May 2008, 12:22

This is just a forum for us dirt bike jokers, I certainly don't want to criticise Boom, I'm sure he wasn't intending to be nasty in any way, but it might be worth doing a bit of a re-write on some of our comments, because after Scott has sent the emails, her family are quite likely to visit this site and read the posts. There's just no point in upsetting these poor folks... I'll re-write this to adjust for any changes to posts above

ricey

21st May 2008, 13:06

I was there that day and it was just a freak accident, I have never been a fan of the safety aspects of Ardmore period, but these things do happen and will continue to happen in the future, go to stock cars and you will see from time to time that cars go through fences and over them.

The chances of a bike cartwheeling over the safety fence at Ardmore after loosing it it up the face of the container jump is possible, keep that in mind.

I feel vulnerable standing on the side of the tracks myself taking pics with the PRO riders and know it is just a matter of time before I am hit, I can only hope it wont be as bad as this case. I see so many people standing on the sides of tracks not concerned about there backs at all, A prime example I see all to often is Champion Straight at Puke, those bike are hauling and when you are standing at the track edge and have your back to them, you have no idea what is coming through be it in or out of control, unfortunately these things wake us all up for a while.

Boom, your comment was totally uncalled for, it could have been your wife/sister/mother watching you, she had no time to move!

Teava

21st May 2008, 14:25

Boom, your comment was totally uncalled for, it could have been your wife/sister/mother watching you, she had no time to move!

Right on Ricey

chop

21st May 2008, 14:26

I agree with shane sorry. She is a young talented rider and it could of happened to anyone of us..

charles23

21st May 2008, 15:02

booom, your comment was totally out of line. I have sat at that corner many a time on my bike waiting to get on the track and it could have easily been me or any other rider for that fact that got collected.

Hope she makes a full recovery and gets back on her bike before too long.

charles23

21st May 2008, 15:04

nice edit 'husky125'

DrewBroadley

21st May 2008, 16:03

I feel vulnerable standing on the side of the tracks myself taking pics with the PRO riders and know it is just a matter of time before I am hit, I can only hope it wont be as bad as this case.

Don't worry, I'll save you!

B0000M

21st May 2008, 18:06

arent i just mr popular today....

it still boils down to the fact that it wasnt a safe place to be standing

Reckless

21st May 2008, 20:49

arent i just mr popular today....

it still boils down to the fact that it wasnt a safe place to be standing
ye but we've all stood there B000M but your probably right as well. I think the others have deemed your comments a bit harsh because she's still bloody sick and her parents would be very worried. So I think the timing was a bit off on your part. Its John Cobb that's probably gonna get it from officialdom for letting people stand there anyway, especially if she was just spectating rather than entering the track on her bike. I would guess they may see this as preventable, but who knows??? I go back to my earlier comments comparing MX to karting. You would never be able to spectate or enter a track on the outside of a corner, period.

From the other thread Scott posted for support letters it looks like the poor kids in a bad way. So lets move on and wish her and her family all the luck in the world!!!

B0000M

21st May 2008, 21:01

ye but we've all stood there B000M but your probably right as well. I think the others have deemed your comments a bit harsh because she's still bloody sick and her parents would be very worried. So I think the timing was a bit off on your part. Its John Cobb that's probably gonna get it from officialdom for letting people stand there anyway, especially if she was just spectating rather than entering the track on her bike. I would guess they may see this as preventable, but who knows??? I go back to my earlier comments comparing MX to karting. You would never be able to spectate or enter a track on the outside of a corner, period.

From the other thread Scott posted for support letters it looks like the poor kids in a bad way. So lets move on and wish her and her family all the luck in the world!!!

ill drink to that.

somehow reckless has a way of putting everything nicely...

Reckless

21st May 2008, 21:31

Shit can you come around and convince the wife of that LOL!!!

B0000M

21st May 2008, 21:36

you pay the diesel and a bit of gas for the bike and ill tell anyone anything you like mate!

its a 5 hour drive tho so ill need a bit of notice

Danger

22nd May 2008, 08:22

ill drink to that.

somehow reckless has a way of putting everything nicely...

Comes with age. I must be alot younger than reckless cause I can never get it right!:Oops:

B0000M

22nd May 2008, 13:22

and im younger than both of you (by quite a lot :Pokey: )
and i always get it wrong

camchain

22nd May 2008, 22:29

Noticed the lady Scott is in touch with re: the injured girl was online and reading this thread last night.

green machine

23rd May 2008, 19:35

Thought that might happen.....was gonna suggest deleteing the whole thread the other day

DrewBroadley

23rd May 2008, 19:59

Thought that might happen.....was gonna suggest deleteing the whole thread the other day

Could you cotton candy coat all the bad things in the world while you're at it ?

Forums are for discussions, and people to express their opinions. Some people say things the way they want, just becuase you disagree with it doesn't mean it shouldn't be said.

I'm not defending anyone, I'm not attacking anyone, I'm just saying people have opinions which make others your friends or your enemies.

arj127

23rd May 2008, 20:04

Noticed the lady Scott is in touch with re: the injured girl was online and reading this thread last night.

Hang on, if the injured girl was online and reading this post, then she must be on the road to recovery! Awesome

Like Drew says, its a freedom of speech forum. You can't bag Boom for his crued way of thinking. I'm sure what he really mean't was that some control should be placed on where spectators should be able to view a race. I would be one of the worst for wanting to get right in there and view the action, and thats the risk i take because nobody is stopping me from doing it.

I can only hope for the best for the young injured girl, and hope she makes a full recovery, but it sounds to me like she is in quite a bad way.

Anyone got an update on the girls condition?

charles23

23rd May 2008, 21:13

oh yeah free speech alright, dumb people get to say stupid things......

camchain

23rd May 2008, 21:14

(copied Drew: Could you cotton candy coat all the bad things in the world while you're at it ?)

Yeah, I know what you mean, but you wouldn't want everything in bad the world to be coated in gorse and barbed wire either, especially under these particular circumstances. A bit of social lubricant on opinions goes a long way as the gears go round. When you put words out in the wild (Interweb) it's always good to be aware that they can have unintended consequences. I know I often struggle composing the most basic emails in case tone is misunderstood. Curse of the written word.

I'm sure the girl was 100% aware that she was not standing in a good position just before the bike hit her - as are her family and us too. (I reckon the SCU will spend a thou or two of taxpayer $ to reach the same conclusion.) I think it was just the description of the girl that raised a few hackles. Boom did a good edit on it. I was just fretting a bit about her family. Scott is sending 'get well soon' emails from us (KBers) to the family, it seemed likely they would go online to try and cheer themselves up and end up on this thread. I actually woke up the other night thinking about this (mea culpa - unbloke-like Nanna factor) and I thought her parents were probably awake as well.

(copied arj127: the injured girl was online and reading this thread last night?)

No, (my bad communication skill). It was the lady who Scott is in touch with who was online. The injured girl must still be in a very bad state as Scott would have updated. I think in this case no news is bad news, but we can all hope for the best.

green machine

23rd May 2008, 21:56

Could you cotton candy coat all the bad things in the world while you're at it ?

Forums are for discussions, and people to express their opinions. Some people say things the way they want, just becuase you disagree with it doesn't mean it shouldn't be said.

I'm not defending anyone, I'm not attacking anyone, I'm just saying people have opinions which make others your friends or your enemies.

I'm not trying to cotton candy coat bad things,i'm well aware forums are for disscussion and if you read back i've voiced my opinions,as have alot of us,i know we are all entitled to our opinions and we won't always agree but a bit of tact is needed sometimes...........i was just thinking about her family and some aspects of some comments.........that's all

scott411

24th May 2008, 10:05

i see both sides of the argument here, both Steve and Drew both have valid points,

my veiw is that you should always post thinking that the family of the people can read it, and if you are not willing to say things to there face its not worth writing on the internet,

Wellyman

24th May 2008, 13:30

Shit Happens. Spectating And Or Riding Anykind Of Motorsport is dangerous,Just gotta read the small print.. signs up at the tracks say this. just a risk. that guy shouldnt be held responsible for circumstances outta his control, as it can happen anytime to anyone.
WM

Reckless

24th May 2008, 14:50

if you are not willing to say things to there face its not worth writing on the internet,

You got my vote on that one Scott! Behind you 100%.
In fact I'll even give some bling for that as bling doesn't happen to much in the off road forums.

Now I'm gonna go do some work on the Z1R, that, that cute blond knocked me off on new years day! Grrrrr