Heading back to the dirt, what bike?

[2_SL0]

Its been a while but after about a 5 year break Im looking at getting another dirt bike. The last bike I had was a KDX220, great woods bike, plenty of power for me. At this point in time this is going to be just a bit of a hobby, I may get a bit more serious and looking at doing the odd event. Ive had a look around but cant really decide, I want to spend 3 -5k, the lower the better the wife tells me. Options I have looked at as follows: KLX300r, WR250F, KTM 200EXC (If I could find one for the right price) Gas Gas 200EC.
I liked the KDX but been their done that and would prefer USD forks these days.

I really like the look of the KLX300, but not sure about the power (carb issue Ive read about etc?) or ability of the bike if I did do the odd event? Certainly appears I could get a late model one for my money.
Really like the WR, but for the money I would be looking 2000 -2003 model.
Ktm, pricey and hard to find.
GAS GAS hard to find and quality suspect (plastics)

[cheese]

Gas gas you will get a newish one for your coin, but that plastics thing would sure piss me off.

KTM or a 250 MX'r I'd say. Not a fan presonally of the KLX300. they are set up with low bars and funny shape.

[merv]

From 4 years of experience with my WR the one thing that still absolutely fascinates me is the engine. I've compromised my chassis and suspension because I shortened it to suit my short arse, but man I can't believe how that engine pulls like a long stroke tractor at low revs and then screams like a race engine at the top end.

My latest amount of fun was on the Capital Coast Adventure (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=72456) where I know 4skins kept telling people its going to be slippery put on a new set of sharp tyres. Well I didn't bother, left the old tyres on and I had great fun all day with no loss of traction. One of the longest challenge sections I think was called Hydro Road, and on that section of about 20km there were bikes strewn everywhere with riders coming to grief on the slippery clay. I just weaved my way through them on the WR with it slogging away in 2nd gear even on the sharpest corners and then a blip on the throttle and it was off like a shot probably showering mud behind it, but I wasn't looking back or stopping. The lightness of the bike helps too, it just makes it so easy to ride. No KLX300 would be like that. So a whole day riding was just easy on that bike and I never got close to decking it on the muck or anywhere else.

How can such a short stroke engine pull like that? I don't know, it must be the new world of electronics. Try a WR I'm sure you will love one even though you are about 20 years younger than I am.

[2_SL0]

Yeah the WR does interest me as they do seem to be the bees knees. How much for parts to do a top end on one of these.

[cowpoos]

From 4 years of experience with my WR the one thing that still absolutely fascinates me is the engine. I've compromised my chassis and suspension because I shortened it to suit my short arse, but man I can't believe how that engine pulls like a long stroke tractor at low revs and then screams like a race engine at the top end.

My latest amount of fun was on the Capital Coast Adventure (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=72456) where I know 4skins kept telling people its going to be slippery put on a new set of sharp tyres. Well I didn't bother, left the old tyres on and I had great fun all day with no loss of traction. One of the longest challenge sections I think was called Hydro Road, and on that section of about 20km there were bikes strewn everywhere with riders coming to grief on the slippery clay. I just weaved my way through them on the WR with it slogging away in 2nd gear even on the sharpest corners and then a blip on the throttle and it was off like a shot probably showering mud behind it, but I wasn't looking back or stopping. The lightness of the bike helps too, it just makes it so easy to ride. No KLX300 would be like that. So a whole day riding was just easy on that bike and I never got close to decking it on the muck or anywhere else.

How can such a short stroke engine pull like that? I don't know, it must be the new world of electronics. Try a WR I'm sure you will love one even though you are about 20 years younger than I am.
KLX300 is just as capable as a WR250 for most people...A hell of alot cheaper...long term more reliable...No carb issuse's I've ever heard of...I've abused the shit out of three of them so dam reliable it amazed me!! no fancy rebuilds needed ever XX amount of hours!! bang for buck you ani't going to get a better trail bike!! now...if you have the dosh!! get a wr250 :) other wise KLX300 :) and if you search the site...theres heaps of threads similar to this full of info about this very subject. including the bikes you mention :)

PS: Merv...u wanna race..u on ur WR and me on a KLX [that someone will lend me] sometime :)

[merv]

Yeah the WR does interest me as they do seem to be the bees knees. How much for parts to do a top end on one of these.

Dunno - seeing I'm only a weekend biker and share my riding across a few bikes I've not touched my engine at all other than oil and filters and on the advice from Brendan at Motorad (bought it off him when they had Sawyers shop as well) I've ignored the manual which would have you doing the top end every 1,000km (it says do the rings and check piston condition but I guess most would throw a piston in at the same time) and I'm not riding like Stefan Merriman.

[merv]

PS: Merv...u wanna race..u on ur WR and me on a KLX [that someone will lend me] sometime :)

Shit mate I'm an old c... now so racing isn't my thing, but riding nice trails is, hence my comment on the traction the things make. That coupled with the light weight makes for a very easy ride for us old guys. I've said on here many a time they weigh as little as and pull like an old XR200R at the bottom end but with the benefit of a massive top end with around another 4,500rpm and about another 15hp that goes with it.

Never tried a KLX so not able to comment on them and certainly not bagging them but what do they weigh? Comfort or otherwise depends on your own weight. I'm not a big guy so I don't like heavy dirt bikes.

We also talked a while back about the beauty of Michelin knobbly tyres and that comes into the equation too. Picking your bike up off the ground every few kms aint as much fun as just blasting past the fallen I reckon. I'm too old for that energetic shit. Just my 2c worth and it does get down to personal choice.

[cowpoos]

Shit mate I'm an old c... now so racing isn't my thing, but riding nice trails is, hence my comment on the traction the things make. That coupled with the light weight makes for a very easy ride for us old guys. I've said on here many a time they weigh as little as and pull like an old XR200R at the bottom end but with the benefit of a massive top end with around another 4,500rpm and about another 15hp that goes with it.

Never tried a KLX so not able to comment on them and certainly not bagging them but what do they weigh? Comfort or otherwise depends on your own weight. I'm not a big guy so I don't like heavy dirt bikes.

We also talked a while back about the beauty of Michelin knobbly tyres and that comes into the equation too. Picking your bike up off the ground every few kms aint as much fun as just blasting past the fallen I reckon. I'm too old for that energetic shit. Just my 2c worth and it does get down to personal choice.
Only winding you up as usual mate...lol I used to use the mc10 brillent alround tyres...sh12 are a league above again but not dot legal I don't think.

The Klx 300 is 107 kgs I think from memory...so not a heavy bike at all...and the engines are fantastic for trails!!pull from everywhere like a tractor...far better than the earilier KLX250's...But like I said..if you have the dosh..I'd get a wr250 too :)

[merv]

Only winding you up as usual mate...lol I used to use the mc10 brillent alround tyres...sh12 are a league above again but not dot legal I don't think.

The Klx 300 is 107 kgs I think from memory...so not a heavy bike at all...and the engines are fantastic for trails!!pull from everywhere like a tractor...far better than the earilier KLX250's...But like I said..if you have the dosh..I'd get a wr250 too :)

Mate no one can wind me up from relaxed.

Again depends on your need. If you want road legal there aren't many KLX300 around that are and if you kitted them the weight goes up. If you want to be trailer trash then it doesn't matter.

One more post and I'm on 5,000 again. What's Spank going to do this time to take our hard earned action service from us? Bugger is I should have been with my Boss in Canberra tonight but cancelled due to my bro' getting crook. Fingers crossed we can get him fixed.

[CRM]

I've compromised my chassis and suspension because I shortened it to suit my short arse, but man I can't believe how that engine pulls like a long stroke tractor at low revs and then screams like a race engine at the top end.

What did you do to it to shorten it? I rode one and loved the performance but needed to be a bit lower for me.

[merv]

What did you do to it to shorten it? I rode one and loved the performance but needed to be a bit lower for me.

Got Robert Taylor to make up a shorter Ohlins shock for it and Sawyers did something to the fork internals to respace them - I think it was Derek did it when he worked there though all my dealings were through Brendan. I think in the end I over did the lowering a bit but for adventure rides its perfect, you just wouldn't want to leap over jumps with it.

[jimmy 2006]

ride them both yourself, it is the only way to make the decision.
my vote goes for the klx300.
http://www.mrmotorcycles.co.nz/product_info.php?cPath=21_26&products_id=827
go see Mr motorcycles.

[camchain]

Hey there 2 slo,
I bought an '05 KLX300 a year ago to get back into it after over 20yrs off (A bit longer in hibernation than you!) It was an excellent choice but I'm ready for something better now. Bike was certainly capable enough for a bit of CC racing, the piece of meat on top of it being the biggest limiting factor.

CV Carb issue can be improved with Dynojet kit - $100. Bike realy needs bigger header pipe $200 (same size as old KLX250). Could do with stiffer fork springs. Point is, you can easily spend money you didn't originally intend to. Older WR250f should be ok if not abused, there are a few on Trademe. I'm just doing new rings and inlet valves on mine, and will be for sale shortly at a sensible price if interested. Bike is solid and well maintained. Think 4t top end valves/piston kit/gaskets etc generally run around $500 parts.

[SlowHand]

Well I found the thread.

Mr. 2_SL0_in_the_head,

It's been 3 days since the post. What do you want to do now? Go back to cars? or was that day 2 and you now want to fly to the moon?


:p

[2_SL0]

What is that thing in your avatar Slow hand, do you even own a bike anymore?

I was looking at a couple of KTM's on trade-me, 200cc 2002 year 2 stroke. But neither of them say EXC etc, what do you think they are? If I could pick up a EXC 200 for 3-4 k I would be happy. Not to worried if it needed a little work to tidy it up.

[camchain]

The other 200cc KTM is the SX Motocross version.

[2_SL0]

Thanks Camchain, thats what I thought. Im guessing the EXC has the headlight, unless it has been removed.

[fridayflash]

would you consider a 200sx? aparantly the same suspension valving as an exc but with better internals and more adjustment etc. sounds like the klx would bore you mate..great bike but a bit heavy and low-slung compared to say a wr etc

[Reckless]

A lot of the Ktm 200 exc's have had the headlight removed and the SX number board put on.. I got an 03 for my son. Bloody great bike, light, as much grunt as the CR250, better brakes, more flick-able. I liked it so much I sold the CR250 and am waiting for an 08 Ktm200 to come off lease for me. That's if it all works out????
I think you'll might find the KLX300 A bit of an elephant especially compared to the KTM200. The wr is more X country orientated in my opinion. You pretty much dont see them at the tracks anyway. Bit soft over the jumps. I would think the Ktm 200 would be the best bike to do both. But if your into a nice x country ride go for the KLX or the Wr. But you won't get the whack or the cheaper maintenance of the 200 2smoker!!

I'll shoot to the garage and attach a pic or 2 of the boys KTM200 all I've done to it is handgrips and the gripper seat cover spent about $30 bucks on it so far. Oh! and the Pipe guard? Bad pics but a great bike to ride!!

Oh and there's a couple of 06 Ktm200 execs on t/me at the mo, but 7K is far far to much money. A couple of months ago a really nice 07, done 50hrs sold for $6500. There's one down in Huntly he wants 7k for. I offered him 5500 before this 08 deal came along and he turned me down. I notice he still hadn't sold it last time it went around, his highest bid was $3500 and it looks a bit rough. So bide your time. To be honest the 200 doesn't seem to get snapped up quickly most seem people to be going for the bigger CC's, but I think its a very very underated bike.

My opinion only just giving you some feedback?

[2_SL0]

Hmmm, whats the power band hit like on a EXC, would I pick one up for 3-4k?

What are these two?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=156268925
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=156515920

[fridayflash]

p.s im just getting back into dirt after a similar lenght break,and am realy enjoying it,albeit on an '07 ttr250 which was lent to me indefinately
by a friend,its under powered and under suspended but hey..its free!
lol however 4my next purchase im deadset on a 200exc:Punk:

[NhuanH]

street magic or Nifty 50. Maybe still too much powah there...

[Reckless]

Hmmm, whats the power band hit like on a EXC, would I pick one up for 3-4k?

What are these two?
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=156268925
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=156515920

Its pretty good, as good as the 01 CR250 but smoother. But still with good torque in the tight stuff or on the hills. I'm just fooling around with the adjustable power valve on the 03, so still getting it right for me. Backing it off a bit actually.

[clint640]

Hmmm, whats the power band hit like on a EXC,


I've ridden my mate's (03 IIRC) 200EXC a couple of times, the power is really good, a bit more hit in the mid-top end than the KDX200 I rode a while back but it still tractored around pretty well. I'd say if you liked your KDX but want something with a bit better performance & suspension then the 200EXC is the obvious choice.

Cheers
Clint

[2_SL0]

Well its settled, a KTM 200EXC or 250EXC. Just got to find one, budget 3-4k.

[camchain]

OK, No more EXC200 recommendations thanks Reckless. Too much buyer competition! That one we saw a few months ago seems like a real bargain now. That one in Huntly might have sold. The one in Ashburton is starting to look like a pretty good buy but too damn far away. I've been searching bikepoint as well (dealers) and getting nothing coming up!

Your boys machine looks real tidy, but he might be better off on, say for instance a KLX300? I Recommend a swap.

[Reckless]

Cam I think there'll be more in the next short while as the new models come out soon. So some will be selling there old ones to update. Although times are a bit tighter this time around. I'm waiting for one to come off lease? That's if he still decides to get the 09 model, and its in good condition so still far from 100% sure as yet. Sharing the boys 03 at the moment.
And yeah that 07 for $6500 was a good buy, pity the Cr sold 2 weeks after it went rather than before. Oh well that's life!
Good luck with your searching.

[2_SL0]

I'm still very partial to a KTM 200, however I may widen my search, I rode a 04 kxf250 today, what a wonderful bike to ride, nothing like my old KX250 smoker. Hmmmm, I may have to look at kxf 250's and yz250f as well. The service side really doesn't worry me to much, I have read about the 04 models overheating, whats everyone thoughts on using either of these bikes for trail riding etc.

[dammad1]

I'm still very partial to a KTM 200, however I may widen my search, I rode a 04 kxf250 today, what a wonderful bike to ride, nothing like my old KX250 smoker. Hmmmm, I may have to look at kxf 250's and yz250f as well. The service side really doesn't worry me to much, I have read about the 04 models overheating, whats everyone thoughts on using either of these bikes for trail riding etc.

There was quite a few problems with the earlier kxf/rmz but they got better with each year I think from 06 on they were pretty good, my mate has the 07KXF250 and likes it alot.

[green machine]

I started riding last year........went from a 1995 DR350,(heavy old beast it was)month later on to a 2004 KDX200....which was heaps lighter and quicker(obviously)but with my limited riding skill i struggled with the 2 stroke power(don't laugh you 2 stroke lads)two months later got a 2008 KXF250 and man i love it.... plenty of power,nice and smooth and rider friendly and the bonus of great engine braking on the downhills.......

[2_SL0]

Ok, everywhere I read on the net they state overseas that a WR or similar is a better trail bike than say a YZF, however in NZ I think a large majority ride a YZF or similar as a trail bike. Is this because realistically our trails are more similar to a MX track landscape, or we just all really dumb? The majority of my riding will be done at say the Sandpit and the odd family day or trail day etc.
Im looking at the following, KXF250 (05 or 06) YZF 250 (05) WR250 (03-06) KTM 200 EXC (03+). My only concern with the YZF and KXF is overheating during trail riding, is this a problem here?
Off to ride a WR250 today.

[Wellyman]

I Ride an 03,Gas Gas EC250, And Its a great, torquey bike.
Ask rupecopp, he has a ec200 at the moment, but great bikes. I got some parts for mine from a shop in hellinsville, genuine too, so not too hard.
Cheers,
WM

P.S do replace the stock handguards if you do buy a gasser, I had a very highspeed off today and completley demolished mine:doh:.

[2_SL0]

Rode the WR, very very easy bike to ride. So Im thinking its down to WR 250, throw on MX plastics and away I go. Or KTM EXC200 and do similar.
Unless anyone can tell me that for say Sandpit etc a YZF/KXF 250 is going to be better.

[dammad1]

Big difference between the wr and the 200 exc, did you manage to try a 200 yet?

[2_SL0]

Yep I agree, its two very different approaches to the problem. But both appear to have the right credentials for me.

[Ktmboy]

Either or. Both very good bikes, its just now down to your personal preference.
You really can't go wrong with either. 2t of 4t??? Ahhh, the debate rages on.

[Wellyman]

2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke! 2 Stroke!
WM

[jimmy 2006]

just buy a bike and ride it......

[Buddy L]

your not going to overheat a modern 4t MXer unless your sitting in the mud reving the tits off it for a hand full full of minutes.
Been trail riding, MXing, stuck everywhere and never lost any water.
Installed a overflow bottle just incase the thing boils, but hasn't yet.

[camchain]

Get a piece of paper and write down your priorities. This can be revealing. Want and need are usually different

Some observations after recent Trademe and other Net digging.

1. A lot of 4 strokes MXers being sold by owners saying they are going to 2t

- I think regular racers finding 4t maintenance expense a bit tough to live with and the bills come in big hits.

3. 3 recent WR 250f for sale by owners willing to trade YZ 250f

- Possibly ridden MX version and loved the extra punch. CRF250x is about 9hp down on R (But x has much better bottom end (talking performance, not iffy CRF crank life!!!) How much time do you spend at full throttle at high revs?

Seems like it's horses for courses. MX versions less expensive to buy but dearer to run. Personally the different/lower state of tune in enduro version has some appeal. I reckon I can go faster (in most situations) with suspension rather than HP. MX suspension has to deal with big jumps, not carving around in rocks and tree roots. My ideal bike would be a 350 in a lower state of tune (like DRZ400) than current serious dirt bikes. I'd rather have a piston with a proper skirt that lasts a bit longer, and slightly larger engine oil capacities again.

My only 4 stroke choice for a serious dirt machine is a stressed out little 250 or a brute of a 450. 350's likely to come if AMA rule change happens.

[2_SL0]

Agreed Camchain, I would throw into that, a nice light weight option and we would have the perfect bike.

I appear to be swaying more and more to a MX bike. YZF 250 etc.

[crazyxr250rider]

Stay away from older KXF/RMZ250's they've had lots of valve issues ,Im shure a search of previous posts will enlighten you ive explained this way too many times.....:argue::wacko:

[2_SL0]

Been told to stay away from them and early Honda's I have read were not good. So that just leaves the YZF 250, WR 250, and the trusty EXC. The WR's seem to pricy for what they are, so that leaves the YZF and EXC.

[cheese]

its the old fuck one goat story again.

I think that the 04 and 05 KX and RMZ's had issues wiht over heating and some valve issues.

Personally any modern 4 stroke is going to require alot of maintenance so 2 strokes are gettign a bit more popular. The people that really win with the new 4s are teh bike shops cause they get to charge you $500 - $700 to fit a new piston and check your valves.

[cowpoos]

Been told to stay away from them and early Honda's I have read were not good. So that just leaves the YZF 250, WR 250, and the trusty EXC. The WR's seem to pricy for what they are, so that leaves the YZF and EXC.
I have a mint...07 RMZ250 low hours...still original tyres on it...for 6k
Nothing at all wrong with it...just need to sell it to get a new road race bike if your interested?

[crazyxr250rider]

its the old fuck one goat story again.

I think that the 04 and 05 KX and RMZ's had issues wiht over heating and some valve issues.

Personally any modern 4 stroke is going to require alot of maintenance so 2 strokes are gettign a bit more popular. The people that really win with the new 4s are teh bike shops cause they get to charge you $500 - $700 to fit a new piston and check your valves.
CRF's (05 onwards) and YZF's have a much better reliability record simple(although there has been cases of valve recesion in all of the modern 250F's)
Lol I can do all the work on my 4 stroke and i still hate what it costs in parts cant wait till the RM's finished!!! PS watch out for cowpoos he's a slipery bastard and hates hondas (Only fools hate a brand, because all brands produce the odd piece of crap!).

[tommorth]

how often do these modern fours strokes need rebuilding ?
a mate recenty did the piston and rings and adjusted 2 valves at 100 hours 07 yzf250 . But hear of the piston being done a 30 or full rebuilds at 60
Rekon a xr400 motor it a cr chassis would be a good toy

[crazyxr250rider]

30hrs sounds about right, however pistons can last longer in some bikes.
It depends on the use and maintence more than any thing....

[B0000M]

buy what you like, personally i prefer the 2 stroke, cheap and easy to maintain and fix, and im used to the 2 stroke power style,

[2_SL0]

Ok, no laughing, and before you all say it, yes I take ages to make up my mind.

I have ridden YZF250, WR250, KLX250, and owned a number of other bikes. I already own a sports bike which I plan on keeping. So I have the costs of running that as well. I have looked at the four stroke options but am starting to become suspicious of the amount people pay for maintaining them. I am a mechanic by trade so the labour is not an issue however the cost of the parts doesn't look to be cheap.
I still like the look of the KTM, but having trouble finding one, I have been told a 250 would be more suitable for me.
Here is the big question, I owned a 91 (not sure of the year) KX250, it was a very
harsh power band, a real kick from memory, not a great woods/trail bike. I was a bit young and inexperienced when I owned it. However what are the new KX 03 -07 like and I have read a little about adding a flywheel weight an gnarly pipe and a few other mods to make these bikes more woods orientated.
I know I'm taking ages but I don't want to buy the wrong bike.

[mattwood]

im pretty sure you can add a fly wheel weight to just about any bike these days, alot of enduro riders are doing it so it must tone them down, more torque etc.

[Reckless]

A fly wheel weight is the most underrated mod you can do to a 2 smoker. I heard even Damian King was uses one when he races the yz250.
In saying that though my Cr250 had one, along with the suspension mods, fat pipe and gearing changes its still an MX bike first. It will go well and be a lot better than the MX version but it is still a race bike made for jumping and sprint races. I reckon my Cr was the best it could be for what it was but getting on the Exc (even with the CR mods above) there was a lot of difference. I think as well because the 200exc is a 125 size frame with 200 horse power. I'm a big guy and they where recommending a 250 for me as well but the 200 is way enough. I still reckon a good rider on this bike would be hard to beat by anything else. So if you want a woods bike buy one.
IN saying all of the above a 2 smoker will always deliver its power like a 2 smoker they are not as linear as a 4 stroke. They can be closer but the development hasn't been put in yet. Although Ktm have come the closest so far with the exc range!

[marks]

its the old fuck one goat story again.

I aint heard this one - how does it go?

[Rupe]

I aint heard this one - how does it go?

Not sure, think cheese if from the south island or something!!


2 Slo, ment to say I saw a nice 250exc at tripple moto x last week. It's not on trade me but I think it was a 04 and just over $5k. Bit expensive but maybe you could get them to sharpen that price, or throw in some gear/service.


Also does anyone know how much it costs to run a 4stroke vs a 2stroke in parts and maintenance (not inc labour). As in a 06 kx250 vs a 06 kxf250, as most seem unclear what each other costs.

[crazyxr250rider]

YZ250F basic top end rebuild
Piston (oem) $155.00
Rings (oem) $130.00
Cam Chain (oem) $70.00
Head gasket (oem) $70.00
Base gasket (oem) $15-20.00 not quite shure about this one...
Which adds up to around $445-440.00
and that if your valves are ok and dont need re-shiming or replacement
If they do your lookin at around $240 for a set of aftermarket valves and $5.00 per valve for re shiming plus seat re cutting if necasary
so thats over $800

Now...RM250 basic top end
Pisto kit (Wiesco) $280.00
L.E bearing (oem) $40.00
Base Gasket (oem) $20.00
OMG its only $340 I have to get one......................wait a second!-I just did!!:pinch:

However with 4 strokes there is the option there to treat it like a XR and do 150+ hrs and not touch the thing as the reduction in power is not as noticeable as on 2stroke mx bikes however you take the risk of it chewing itself to bits and turning the inside of the engine into something that would look more at home at an abstract art exhibition than in a high perfomance MX bike.

[D dub]

Get a 250 exc, they have good usable power are made for the bush and you can do 100 hours between piston changes no problem!! Oh yeh and they are quiet compared to mx bikes especially those obnoxiously loud four strokes!!!!!!!!!!

[crazyxr250rider]

Yeh.. Fuck modern four strokes bring back the XR's, TT's,KLX's and DR's of old Lol!:laugh:

[2_SL0]

I had a DR 200 in the early days, the knobbly was basically a slick, (I was a poor broke apprentice). Decompression lever was broke, I cooked it at the bombing range up Woodhill. Bastard thing wouldn't start after that. Oh the fond memories. :(