Chris Kahui not guilty

[Mully]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4556708a10.html

Didn't take them long to decide

[jrandom]

Based on the media coverage of the case evidence, I'd say that the jury returned a sensible verdict.

[Dooly]

Will the mother be charged........hmm.

The more stuff that was coming out, it looked like he might be in the clear.

[Mully]

I always thought the mother had something to do with it. She lawyered up far too quickly for my liking.

Before it was announced as a murder investigation she had a lawyer.

[Hitcher]

The mother won't be charged, on the basis that she will not get a fair trial, given the outpouring of evidence and emotion in the Chris Kahui case.

I think that the jury returned the only sensible verdict, given the evidence.

The whole whanau should be locked up for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.

[Forest]

The whole whanau should be locked up for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.

This would not be unreasonable.

RIP Chris and Cru.

[Lias]

Send them both to jail imho, mummy and daddy.

Some absolutely bullshit verdicts coming out lately. First them jailing those guys down the west coast for "stealing" jade, then letting the zimbabwean daughter fucker off, and finding the guy who put his _dying_ mother out of her guilty of murder.

I'm looking forward to reversing this trend when I do jury service in a few weeks. Hopefully I'll get a nice juicy case :-)

[Crasherfromwayback]

The mother won't be charged, on the basis that she will not get a fair trial, given the outpouring of evidence and emotion in the Chris Kahui case.

I think that the jury returned the only sensible verdict, given the evidence.

The whole whanau should be locked up for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.

Am I not right in saying that the police couldn't try her anyway?

I thought once the person on trial was found not guilty you couldn't then rush off and try someone else?

And I agree with your last part 100%

[Badjelly]

I'm looking forward to reversing this trend when I do jury service in a few weeks. Hopefully I'll get a nice juicy case :-)

Be careful what you wish for. It's no picnic.

[Dooly]

letting the zimbabwean daughter fucker off

I read that they even found his tadpoles in her undies!
And the reason for that was said that they must of been in his and rubbed onto her undies when they were thrown in the clothes basket for fucks sake!

[Mully]

I thought once the person on trial was found not guilty you couldn't then rush off and try someone else?


No, once the person you have tried is found not guilty, you can't re try that person.

Theorectically, they should be trying someone else. But Hitcher is right, it wont happen.

RIP Babies.


I read that they even found his tadpoles in her undies!
And the reason for that was said that they must of been in his and rubbed onto her undies when they were thrown in the clothes basket for fucks sake!

Without commenting on his guilt (I think he did it), I read that the amount they found was consistant with them being washed together. Apparently, they found very little.

[awayatc]

The whole whanau should be locked up for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.

Or at least be taken off the variety of social benefits they enjoy......If they don't wish to share in the values of our society, they shouldn't reap the benefits either....

[SPman]

Or at least be taken off the variety of social benefits they enjoy......If they don't wish to share in the values of our society, they shouldn't reap the benefits either....
Perhaps they should partake of Maori justice?

I think Maori tribal law held an even harsher view of infanticide, than European law.......

[oldrider]

Perhaps they should partake of Maori justice?

I think Maori tribal law held an even harsher view of infanticide, than European law.......

Justice in this country! Pffft not very likely! :oi-grr:

The bleeding hearts won't allow it in any shape or form. :doh: John.

[Steam]

It's time to take the law into our own hands.
Now, I'm a freakin green-voting hippy, and even I reckon it's time to clean out the trash.

[Katman]

So if Chris Kahui rode a motorcycle, he'd be your 'brother'? Gimme a break!

Whoops! Egg on my face. :whistle:


:msn-wink:

[jrandom]

Whoops! Egg on my face. :whistle:

If I'm laden at all
I'm laden with sadness
That everyone's heart
Isn't filled with the gladness
Of love for one another...

:msn-wink:

[Headbanger]

RIP Chris and Cru.


Tragic and shameful.

String up everyone involved, Send em to hell.

[peasea]

The mother won't be charged, on the basis that she will not get a fair trial, given the outpouring of evidence and emotion in the Chris Kahui case.

I think that the jury returned the only sensible verdict, given the evidence.

The whole whanau should be locked up for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.

Quite right, take a bow!
I don't like Christine Rankin but she said (and forgive me if I don't have it word for word) "We played the politically correct game and now we're paying the price" (Or words to that effect.) If the police had gone in looking hard on day one things MIGHT have been different.

Sympathies to the little ones. So innocent, so vulnerable, so dead.

[Hitcher]

If the police had gone in looking hard on day one things MIGHT have been different.

I doubt it. The Police had inordinate difficulty trying to understand exactly what had happened here. You may remember the media coverage at the time that went on for weeks, with Maori Party MPs and others trying to broker a way through the wall of resistance the Police encountered. The family's collegial silence, stupidity and conspiracy to conceal the truth would have made any investigator's job unenviable. Remember that the case against Chris Kahui was the best they could do, and the outcome of the Court case was largely inevitable from the beginning.

This whole thing is a tragedy on so many levels. I have no doubt that the Kahui/King families know full well who was responsible.

It may sound heartless, but the late Chris and Cru have probably escaped a life of torment that no child deserves.

[Grahameeboy]

Quite right, take a bow!
I don't like Christine Rankin but she said (and forgive me if I don't have it word for word) "We played the politically correct game and now we're paying the price" (Or words to that effect.) If the police had gone in looking hard on day one things MIGHT have been different.

Sympathies to the little ones. So innocent, so vulnerable, so dead.

I agree...even if a so called silly Law saves a few lives it has to be worth it.

This to me shows that the Law makes sense.

RIP little ones

[Katman]

I agree...even if a so called silly Law saves a few lives it has to be worth it.

This to me shows that the Law makes sense.

RIP little ones

If you're talking about the 'Anti-smacking' bill, believe me, that wouldn't have changed a thing in this case.

[Grahameeboy]

I doubt it. The Police had inordinate difficulty trying to understand exactly what had happened here. You may remember the media coverage at the time that went on for weeks, with Maori Party MPs and others trying to broker a way through the wall of resistance the Police encountered. The family's collegial silence, stupidity and conspiracy to conceal the truth would have made any investigator's job unenviable. Remember that the case against Chris Kahui was the best they could do, and the outcome of the Court case was largely inevitable from the beginning.

This whole thing is a tragedy on so many levels. I have no doubt that the Kahui/King families know full well who was responsible.

It may sound heartless, but the late Chris and Cru have probably escaped a life of torment that no child deserves.

What makes me wonder is that Maori's want the Treaty to be a part of our society to give in effect Maori extra considerations...read any dhb website and it's values...and then they conceal the truth as in the case and others before...hypocrites...

[Grahameeboy]

If you're talking about the 'Anti-smacking' bill, believe me, that wouldn't have changed a thing in this case.

I didn't know you had a crystal ball Mr K and could tell the future...

[peasea]

I doubt it. The Police had inordinate difficulty trying to understand exactly what had happened here. You may remember the media coverage at the time that went on for weeks, with Maori Party MPs and others trying to broker a way through the wall of resistance the Police encountered. The family's collegial silence, stupidity and conspiracy to conceal the truth would have made any investigator's job unenviable. Remember that the case against Chris Kahui was the best they could do, and the outcome of the Court case was largely inevitable from the beginning.

This whole thing is a tragedy on so many levels. I have no doubt that the Kahui/King families know full well who was responsible.

It may sound heartless, but the late Chris and Cru have probably escaped a life of torment that no child deserves.


Sorry, I meant "if the police had gone in unhindered". And yes, sad as it may be, they (the twins) are probably are in a better place.

[jrandom]

I didn't know you had a crystal ball Mr K and could tell the future...

He can't, but on the balance of probability, he's quite right.

Legally, the injuries to those babies constituted a heinous and easily-prosecutable crime well before the 'Anti-Smacking Bill' was ever conceived. It achieved nothing relevant to this case.

[Katman]

I didn't know you had a crystal ball Mr K and could tell the future...

You're not seriously telling us you think it would have made a difference in this case, are you????? :shit:

What fucking planet are you on?

[awayatc]

I didn't know you had a crystal ball Mr K and could tell the future...

Ouch, that must have been painfull..... I know that with just a glass eye I just manage to tell the time...
:(

[Grahameeboy]

He can't, but on the balance of probability, he's quite right.

Legally, the injuries to those babies constituted a heinous and easily-prosecutable crime well before the 'Anti-Smacking Bill' was ever conceived. It achieved nothing relevant to this case.

Who knows to be honest...however, if the AS Law in time can stop this, and time will tell, then I am all for it.

Oh evening by the way...

[Katman]

He can't,

Shush! I can actually, but don't tell anyone. :msn-wink:

[Grahameeboy]

Ouch, that must have been painfull..... I know that with just a glass eye I just manage to tell the time...
:(

Those with glass balls eh...and I though it was only your balls that were glass, didn't realise you had an extreme makeover and had an eye done as well....guess as you were an accident you were covered by ACC....:bleh:

[jrandom]

What makes me wonder is that Maori's want the Treaty to be a part of our society to give in effect Maori extra considerations...read any dhb website and it's values...and then they conceal the truth as in the case and others before...hypocrites...

You need to be careful not to simply equate Maori as an ethnicity and a sociopolitical group with Maori as an over-represented proportion of this country's criminal underclass.

In many cases, yes, that overlap is a sad fact, but if you and I speak in the way you just wrote, there, taking the actions of a single criminal (or a single family) to be representative of the entire ethnicity, we paint ourselves as blinkered, small-minded colonials.

[Grahameeboy]

Shhhush. I can, but don't tell anyone. :msn-wink:

Oh...you have 'shattered' my illusions

[Hitcher]

What makes me wonder is that Maori's want the Treaty to be a part of our society to give in effect Maori extra considerations...read any dhb website and it's values...and then they conceal the truth as in the case and others before...hypocrites...

That's a particularly harsh generalisation. There are lots of Maori families making a pretty damned-fine job of raising their kids.

[jrandom]

if the AS Law in time can stop this, and time will tell

Time will undoubtedly tell that it will make no difference whatsoever to these cases.

Laws making it easier for the Police to prosecute borderline situations of child abuse do nothing to address the underlying problem.

The fix for that lies in these children breaking free from the cycle of poverty and violence, and then raising their children differently. One achieves that, over time, via high-quality education and health services, and a strong economy.

Not via legislative band-aids.

[Grahameeboy]

You need to be careful not to simply equate Maori as an ethnicity and a sociopolitical group with Maori as an over-represented proportion of this country's criminal underclass.

In many cases, yes, that overlap is a sad fact, but if you and I speak in the way you just wrote, there, taking the actions of a single criminal (or a single family) to be representative of the entire ethnicity, we paint ourselves as blinkered, small-minded colonials.

I must take after my old man then

[Grahameeboy]

Time will undoubtedly tell that it will make no difference whatsoever to these cases.

Laws making it easier for the Police to prosecute borderline situations of child abuse do nothing to address the underlying problem.

The fix for that lies in these children breaking free from the cycle of poverty and violence, and then raising their children differently. One achieves that, over time, via high-quality education and health services, and a strong economy.

Not via legislative band-aids.

Agree but Laws are often buffers during the interim and the passing of laws is a way towards this...

[peasea]

That's a particularly harsh generalisation. There are lots of Maori families making a pretty damned-fine job of raising their kids.

I can name some.

[Grahameeboy]

That's a particularly harsh generalisation. There are lots of Maori families making a pretty damned-fine job of raising their kids.

I agree and was not saying that...I was just looking at one aspect..in no way do I associate Maori with poverty and although my post did not say that I realise with PC and all that that some will have more sensitivity and I apologise for any perception of my ignorance....just I come from a non-PC culture...and sometimes to move forward we need to get over too much PC stuff sometimes...

I work with a lot of Maori and they are often calling me "Colonial".."White Boy" and I take no offence...it's just micky taking

[peasea]

I must take after my old man then

So, you look like a girl in a scarf?

[Grahameeboy]

So, you look like a girl in a scarf?

Yep just scarf darling.....

[slimjim]

I agree and was not saying that...I was just looking at one aspect..in no way do I associate Maori with poverty and although my post did not say that I realise with PC and all that that some will have more sensitivity and I apologise for any perception of my ignorance....just I come from a non-PC culture...and sometimes to move forward we need to get over too much PC stuff sometimes...

I work with a lot of Maori and they are often calling me "Colonial".."White Boy" and I take no offence...it's just micky taking

really strange that huh ...colonial .... and you blow it off as taking the whiteness out of you sorry are from oversea's,,,, humm so you have spent alot of time listening or just blowing them of as brownies , yea you spoke of some having more sensitivity than of what ? read between what you where in need of thought while in looking back now you realise some will take it differently is that what you were wanting ?

[El Dopa]

The Police had inordinate difficulty trying to understand exactly what had happened here.

Would you care to comment on the bloke (mothers boyfriend?) that out of the blue phoned up the police and told them the mother confessed and he had a recording of it?

This was during the investigation - i.e. well before the court proceedings.

Of course, by the time the police followed this up, it was something like six months (six fucking months!) later, and the bloke had deleted the recording as he (quite reasonably) assumed the police weren't interested.

What exactly is so 'inordinately difficult' about following up leads handed to you on a plate?

And yes, I may have some of the details incorrect, but I believe I have the general gist of things correct.

[peasea]

really strange that huh ...colonial .... and you blow it off as taking the whiteness out of you sorry are from oversea's,,,, humm so you have spent alot of time listening or just blowing them of as brownies , yea you spoke of some having more sensitivity than of what ? read between what you where in need of thought while in looking back now you realise some will take it differently is that what you were wanting ?


Could you please re-write that, slow down and sort the grammar. I'm prepared to listen, if you can make it understandable.

[devnull]

Time will undoubtedly tell that it will make no difference whatsoever to these cases.

Laws making it easier for the Police to prosecute borderline situations of child abuse do nothing to address the underlying problem.

The fix for that lies in these children breaking free from the cycle of poverty and violence, and then raising their children differently. One achieves that, over time, via high-quality education and health services, and a strong economy.

Not via legislative band-aids.

Spot on!!

The whole anti-smacking thing was complete and utter bullshit.
If the example of Sweden wasn't enough, the huge amount of psych research should've raised big red warning flags that social engineering like that brreds more violence...

As for Kahui, the prick deserves a bullet.

Whether he inflicted the injuries or not, he has blood on his hands.
He refused to call an ambulance, and to take the kids to hospital.

King deserves the same - why the hell are these deadbeats even allowed to breed? Who the hell wants to live in a socialist society when it breeds scum like those two....

[peasea]

Would you care to comment on the bloke (mothers boyfriend?) that out of the blue phoned up the police and told them the mother confessed and he had a recording of it?

This was during the investigation - i.e. well before the court proceedings.

Of course, by the time the police followed this up, it was something like six months (six fucking months!) later, and the bloke had deleted the recording as he (quite reasonably) assumed the police weren't interested.

What exactly is so 'inordinately difficult' about following up leads handed to you on a plate?

And yes, I may have some of the details incorrect, but I believe I have the general gist of things correct.

So much, probably too much, sensitivity was given to 'racial' placations. Sorry, but for anyone else (European, Chinese, South African) I doubt the delays would have taken place. Just an observation.

[Maki]

The police screwed up bigtime. Given the evidence Kahui should never have been prosecuted in the first place and our precious taxpayer money could have been saved instead of being flushed down the toilet in that ridiculous trial. Heads in the police should roll for this.

[Grahameeboy]

really strange that huh ...colonial .... and you blow it off as taking the whiteness out of you sorry are from oversea's,,,, humm so you have spent alot of time listening or just blowing them of as brownies , yea you spoke of some having more sensitivity than of what ? read between what you where in need of thought while in looking back now you realise some will take it differently is that what you were wanting ?

Not sure what you are saying...jrandom explained hence my explanation...

[doc]

...just I come from a non-PC culture...and sometimes to move forward we need to get over too much PC stuff sometimes...

Not blaming you but doesn't this PC Crap come from the EU, and the frigging Westminster legal system we adopted and further developed.

The fact the police have said they are not going to further investigate this case. Is the traversty of justice IMOA.

[Manxman]

I doubt it. The Police had inordinate difficulty trying to understand exactly what had happened here. You may remember the media coverage at the time that went on for weeks, with Maori Party MPs and others trying to broker a way through the wall of resistance the Police encountered. The family's collegial silence, stupidity and conspiracy to conceal the truth would have made any investigator's job unenviable. Remember that the case against Chris Kahui was the best they could do, and the outcome of the Court case was largely inevitable from the beginning.

This whole thing is a tragedy on so many levels. I have no doubt that the Kahui/King families know full well who was responsible.

It may sound heartless, but the late Chris and Cru have probably escaped a life of torment that no child deserves.

Know what?...You're absolutely right mate.

What were the police to do? Totally inevitable that it would end like this - darn, we could see this more or less from Day 1...or at least no later than when the "mother" (and I use the term in its loosest possible way) opened her mouth.

Trouble is, now every other loser now knows how to get away with murdering children...and the cops will get another unwarranted hammering from the media.

[Grahameeboy]

Not blaming you but doesn't this PC Crap come from the EU, and the frigging Westminster legal system we adopted and further developed.

The fact the police have said they are not going to further investigate this case. Is the traversty of justice IMOA.

More EU really which is why I don't consider myself European and I don't think most Brits give too much to PC...but then maybe it was where, how I grew up...

I just think that these days we are suppose to think before we speak to extremes and that we take offence too easily rather than perhaps saying why one is offended so the other person understand etc

[doc]

Dont wait until the 11th hour to repent - you may die at 10.30.

Is all I can say about the Kahui's

[Grahameeboy]

Dont wait until the 11th hour to repent - you may die at 10.30.

Is all I can say about the Kahui's

Indeed..................

[MyGSXF]

R.I.P precious innocent little ones... :weep:

[doc]

The Police are going to need the might of HD Marketing to turn this around. The public are not satisfied with ; The Marlbourgh Sounds Case, Clint Rickard taint, Now this . And these are just the recent ones. Goes right back to The Crewe murders.

Forget about Speed Cameras, thats just public revenue by civilians in vans.

[Thunder 8]

The whole whanau should be locked up for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.
Right on totally agree.

[Tank]

Dont wait until the 11th hour to repent - you may die at 10.30.

Is all I can say about the Kahui's

its 8.36 now - Id be happy if they put a bullet in the bastards by 9.

As for repenting - scum like that don't deserve any forgiveness - eternal hell (or whatever there is) for people like them.

[Hitcher]

I work with a lot of Maori and they are often calling me "Colonial".."White Boy" and I take no offence...it's just micky taking

Perhaps. As long as it doesn't become habitual or institutionalised. I know how irritating it can get at times being the brunt of ginga comments, and my beloved riding companion is equally irked at incessant blonde jokes. After the 10th one, the humour pales.

I would have hoped that a parent with a disabled child would have been more tolerant of diversity in our community.

[McDuck]

Am i the only one that is a little fucked off that despite all the evidence that he didnt do it they still had a go at the farther because 'hes the dad it must have been him?'

[Phurrball]

Perhaps they should partake of Maori justice?

I think Maori tribal law held an even harsher view of infanticide, than European law.......

(Haven't had time to read the whole thread, so I hope I'm not repeating)

Quite right, based on what I learned in Jurisprudence a couple of years back -

Maori tikanga dictates a strict liability solution - SOMEONE has done the crime, so SOMEONE/several people will be held to account.

Failure of duty of care on the Whanau's part = probable consequences for all the babies' immediate family.

Nothing soft about it.

Not surprised by on the verdict - cops were expecting it too (At least the ones I went out with on SCOPE a few weeks back)

IMHO, the right verdict based on evidence/lack of definitive evidence - too much reasonable doubt. Criminal standard of liability is a very high threshold to reach, an dthe burden is on the prosecution to reach that high bar.

[Grahameeboy]

Perhaps. As long as it doesn't become habitual or institutionalised. I know how irritating it can get at times being the brunt of ginga comments, and my beloved riding companion is equally irked at incessant blonde jokes. After the 10th one, the humour pales.

I would have hoped that a parent with a disabled child would have been more tolerant of diversity in our community.

I enjoy the diversity in our community...are you saying I am not....Londoners thrive on micky taking..I guess it is not taking life too seriously.

Sadly in my experience (KB excluded) I find that disability still is not considered by many people as it still seems to be a barrier...my job is to change that.

I guess we are all different...when I was young I was accused of being gay and it never bothered me (and No I wasn't) because as far as I was concerned they had the problem...

[moT]

WOW This case has given hope to all murderors and wannabe murderors out there.. That they can infact get away with murder

[bull]

Well the jury of peers ahs decided and even with all the media hype they have found him not guilty. Yet still we all think he did it.

And McDuck i totally agree with you, pick out the Dad as he must have done it(surely the loving motehr couldnt have been responsible TUI) whereas if we believe the media hype miss King has alot of explaining to do. Sadly it would seem that noone is made responsible for this murder but i truly believe that the evidence supported the not guilty result.

What i want to know is what compensation doe this man get for 2yrs of remand prison time? if found guilty it would have come off his total sentence but as not guilty now what?

[McDuck]

What i want to know is what compensation doe this man get for 2yrs of remand prison time? if found guilty it would have come off his total sentence but as not guilty now what?

The hint that he hangs around with hunks of shit that dont deserve to live.

[bull]

Was serious question - you look at a couple of other ex-prisoners whom served time then were aquitted and got big payouts what does this innocent man get for his 2yrs on remand?

[Ixion]

Does this show that it is time to bring back the Grand Jury?

[Indoo]

Was serious question - you look at a couple of other ex-prisoners whom served time then were aquitted and got big payouts what does this innocent man get for his 2yrs on remand?

What makes you think he is innocent and that he didn't kill his children? There is a huge difference between being found 'not guilty' and being innocent.

He wasn't held in remand for 2 years either, he was given bail.

[McDuck]

What makes you think he is innocent and that he didn't kill his children? There is a huge difference between being found 'not guilty' and being innocent.

He wasn't held in remand for 2 years either, he was given bail.

which he broke many times.

[Mom]

This whole thing is a travesty. So incredibly sad. Two innocent little lives wiped out by someone.

This family are to be pitied! Seriously pitied! They have no idea of what is decent and morally correct.

The dance they led our increasingly PC police force in the investigation was a joke, the toothless way the police appeared to investigate was pathetic to the public eye. Watching reporting of the trial left the jurors no other option than a not guilty verdict, I did not hear all the eveidence of course, but what was reported made it fairly cut and dried IMO.

Lets not forget two little boys are dead here. Most sadly of all though for me, deep down I am happy that they are not here to be brought up in a family that can behave like this, to continue the gene pool that is this family.

Very sad indeed.

[Ixion]

After the last time I served on a jury, I concluded the the "jury as judge of fact" process has passed its use by date.

It is after all a relatively recent invention. We've given it a fair test, but I'm not convinced that it has worked out. The commonwealth might be better served by reverting to the older inquistitorial system.

[riffer]

I tend to agree with you there Ixion. The average person on the street lacks the intellectual capacity or legal knowledge to cope with the slimey tricks that can be pulled by defence teams nowadays, no matter how much Boston Legal they watch.

I note with interest that the two young fellows who pleaded guilty in the Jiha murder case have no applied to have their pleas set aside and go to jury trial. (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4558079a10.html)

I wonder if there's any coincidence here? I predict a large amount of new defences based on the he/she did it - no he/she did it defence in order to introduce enough reasonable doubt in the juries mind.

[McDuck]

Both perents need to be held evenly reponcibal. If one dosnt want to go away then they need to PROVE they had nothing to do with it.

[fire eyes]

:weep: Iv been listening to the radio most of the day and the case has come over so many times. I am not really sure how I feel about the verdict. According to a Court of Law .. Chris Kahui is an innocent man. Regardless of any opinion we have.

Two darling babies died a horrific death. They were neglected by the ones who were ment to love them, they have been neglected by a Justice System that is ment to protect them. They have been neglected by a Nation who weeps momentarily.

If anything, this case is a national example of where we are at. Reflecting upon the excessive abuse in this country, the dettachment ... when did we become so violent, selfish & self absorbed? Or has it always been so to a lesser extent but now exposure is purging the consequences therein inherited.

We sit back so easily and point the finger and give energy to the already disintergrating values we have as individuals, as a community and as a nation. But do little to focus energy into positive resolutions.

When is a tragedy not a tragedy? When it happens to someone else but not you right? No. The tragedy is when it passes and is repeated continuously.

We live in an extrodinary age. We have choices. We have the ability to end cycles and initiate new beginnings. Our potential is limitless. So lets use it. :hug:

[El Dopa]

The public are not satisfied with; The Marlbourgh Sounds Case, Clint Rickard taint, Now this . And these are just the recent ones. Goes right back to The Crewe murders.

You forgot the 'oh, was there a body in the back of that car that's been sitting outside the house we've been investigating for the last week? Sorry, didn't have time to open the boot and have a look - too busy'.

I don't particularly want to cop-bash, becuase they do do a very difficult job under dificult circumstances - a job that I couldn't do.

But for fucks sake......

[El Dopa]

What makes you think he is innocent and that he didn't kill his children? There is a huge difference between being found 'not guilty' and being innocent.

The difference is generally that it takes the jury longer than the time it takes to walk down the corridor to the jury room, turn around and come back again.

[LilSel]

Its very sad... whatever happened... two little boys got taken too soon.

My sister is a nurse... a neonatal nurse... she looked after those boys in hopsital before they went home... she'd told me how gorgeous they were etc

I do hope that someone is held accountable for their deaths

[Katman]

I tend to imagine they're better off where they are now.

[Winston001]

Great discussion and pretty typical of the outrage most New Zealanders feel about this case.

Don't blame the police. Don't blame the justice system. Don't blame the welfare system.

At the core of this, a child is completely defenceless and the two people who will do anything to protect that child from harm are - the mother and the father. Chris Kahui and Macksyna King failed these children abysmally. And worse, at different times, abused and neglected these babies until they were dead.

Outside that, there is a whole family here who ignored the way these children were treated and did nothing. So much for the vaunted "whanau".

[Winston001]

There will not be a further trial. The police had to prosecute someone because two babies were dead from unexplained violence. The best guess they could make was Chris Kahui because he had the time and opportunity. But it was always going to be a hard case to prove beyond reasonable doubt.

The basis of the Crown case was that Ms King wasn't anywhere near the children around the time of the injuries - they'd have a damned hard job reversing that if they tried to prosecute her now, and they won't.

[candor]

And now the female the "mother" stays with tells the Herald she knows who did it, and it wasn't the parents (is she for real). Which leaves the 1 year old Kahui first accused or his Dad right? She should be put on the stand then jailed indefinitely for perjury if she refuses to give an ay or nay.

To me its not about accountability. The one thing our society can give those kids tho is the dignity of having had their killer identified. In silence they were abused, and still no end to that silence. It seems to be a family with no concept of a conscience. How well they played the media (defense lawyer included - has she been conned) with red herrings, diversions, and presenting the accused as a good bloke and the non accused as a witch.

But surely all of them can not be full fledged psychopaths.... someone will crack oneday. Maybe it was both parents. I know houses where families abuse (they think disciplin) the kids in the same ways eg heads through gib. Why could not 2 people have done this in the same way to 2 kids. Sometimes abusers like to make others into co-offenders as insurance too. Makes the truth real hard to find.