I know you are all sick of this topic (fuel prices) but...

[blossomsowner]

yes fuel prices are crazy high but i am interested if anyone knows the bonafide figures of what the petrol stations pay for it and exactly what taxes and how much the stupid moronic greedy bastard government takes

[Mom]

Sadly, the on the ground petrol station owners make but a few cents a litre. The petrol company owned stations obviously do a bit better.

The fuel companies are the ones that raise my ire. They react to crude oil going up in value within hours. I used to work in international banking. Any company worth its salt has forward cover in an attempt to slow the effects of currency movement on their profits.

Bottom line, we pay what we have to to get around.

Thankfully 2 wheels cost much less in petrol than other forms of transport!

[AllanB]

Never seen a poor petrol station owner. Never.

Don't even start me on the taxes on taxes relating to fuel. Oh sorry Helen calls some a 'levy' - definition of Levy - "to impose or collect a TAX by the use of authority or force".

I am in the very lucky position of having a company fuel card. However I can foresee the time coming when a weekly or monthly dollar value is placed on this.

[homer]

use it to the max while you can m8

[blossomsowner]

Never seen a poor petrol station owner. Never.

Don't even start me on the taxes on taxes relating to fuel. Oh sorry Helen calls some a 'levy' - definition of Levy - "to impose or collect a TAX by the use of authority or force".





yes but are you able to clarify a little more these taxes on taxes and so called levies

[rainman]

yes fuel prices are crazy high but i am interested if anyone knows the bonafide figures of what the petrol stations pay for it and exactly what taxes and how much the stupid moronic greedy bastard government takes

Have a look here (http://www.med.govt.nz/templates/Page____12961.aspx).

Think it's still current info.

This (http://www.med.govt.nz/upload/35799/Graph%20-%20International%20-%202007-12.pdf) pdf is also worth a look. Apparently our "stupid moronic greedy bastard government" takes less tax per litre than 22 of the 27 OECD countries.

[MacD]

Have a look here (http://www.med.govt.nz/templates/Page____12961.aspx).

Think it's still current info.

This (http://www.med.govt.nz/upload/35799/Graph%20-%20International%20-%202007-12.pdf) pdf is also worth a look. Apparently our "stupid moronic greedy bastard government" takes less tax per litre than 22 of the 27 OECD countries.

Oh come on, don't try to confuse us with facts. Everybody knows it's the government's fault!

[DingoZ]

Still it is somewhat of a laughing matter. (cause otherwise you'd be broken down crying somewhere through frustration)

I can still remember when petrol was .60cents a litre, when it was proposed to jump up to .75c a litre people said "yeah right". Then it jumped to .75c a litre. People complained for a little while, then there was talk of it going to .80c a litre, well the public outrage was enourmous, how can the fuel companies do this to the ordinary people. Then sure enough .80c was commonplace, then .85 then .90c a litre, and people were spouting doom and gloom at the looming spectre of $1.00 a litre.

Well tickle me sideways and call me a duster if the price of petrol didn't hit a $1.00 a litre, and what good did all the posturing and complaining and the public demonstrations do. Nada, bubkis, zip, zero. Even the so called blockades of petrol stations in Aus, did not have even the smallest ripple on the impact of the pricing.

So get ready, bend over, apply a liberal coat of vaseline, cause the price of petrol is just going to keep going up and up, to match the rest of the world.

Ho fuckin Ho merry christmas, Santa brings you a present of $3.00 a litre. While the politicians sit back on their $100.000.00 + salaries and chauffered driven chrysler 300c company cars, do they have to fork out for any petrol they use, NOPE. Do they have to try and budget with a mortgage, kids, fuel. Don't fucken think so. How about they take a pay cut down to the ordinary average wage in NZ, and have to pay a mortgage, and fuel like everyone else, then maybe then they might understand..... But then again highly unlikely really...

[Disco Dan]

Once upon a time it was possible to obtain 'old' company fuel cards and tape them back together and use them for a few weeks... but alas, companies became smarter and stopped giving them to lower down 'dodgy' employees to dispose off... :whistle:

I reckon fish and chip shops will be the winners... what with all that veggy oil... :jerry:

at least I can nip down the road to work and 'borrow' the car for an hour here and there and not worry about petrol... I should start timing my bike petrol stops with that of the company cars... :whistle: ..skwurt for you.. skwurt for me...

[yod]

yeah cos they're not real people like you and me and they dont deserve their pay, they dont earn it, they just had their jobs handed to them on a platter....




feel free to go out there and do better....anyone

[skidMark]

Who cares even if it was $5 a litre we still have to buy it.

Put it in, get on with life.

No point getting upset about things you have no control over.

[skidMark]

Once upon a time it was possible to obtain 'old' company fuel cards and tape them back together and use them for a few weeks... but alas, companies became smarter and stopped giving them to lower down 'dodgy' employees to dispose off... :whistle:

I reckon fish and chip shops will be the winners... what with all that veggy oil... :jerry:

at least I can nip down the road to work and 'borrow' the car for an hour here and there and not worry about petrol... I should start timing my bike petrol stops with that of the company cars... :whistle: ..skwurt for you.. skwurt for me...


Well it is a work VAN.... :msn-wink: :devil2:

[DingoZ]

Who cares even if it was $5 a litre we still have to buy it.

Tell that to the struggling families out there, who are having a tough enough time making ends meet as it is now. When the difference between food on the table versus petrol in the car to get to work to be able to put food on the table gets to be a riduculous amount.


Put it in, get on with life. Yup for shortly, it will be too expensive to enjoy like we do now.

No point getting upset about things you have no control over. Absolutely correct, thats why I don't care....



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[Virago]

Never seen a poor petrol station owner. Never...

You're obviously not looking hard enough.

I'm guessing the owners of all the smaller suburban stations that gave up the struggle and closed down, are now living in off-shore tax havens?

[homer]

stupid question , but if it works for cars why not use LPG in a bike

[blossomsowner]

they dont earn it, they just had their jobs handed to them on a platter....




feel free to go out there and do better....anyone




saw another thread earlier.........seems that "tank" is in the running.

has some pretty interesting policy ideas as well.

[skidMark]

stupid question , but if it works for cars why not use LPG in a bike


Tank maybe not strong enough. hmm gas cap would need changing to.

Gas tap also probably...

And err..... would you wanna crash with a tank full of highly compressed gas under you...

Ba booooooom

**gulp**

[skidMark]

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Rightyo. Well if they cant afford to put the gas in it they shouldnt have a car, it's quite funny how everybody seems to have a car, it seems the norm, they arn't a luxury item like in the 1930's etc.

Yet hang on people still got around, i believe they used a thing called legs. and bicycle, which also used thems new fandangled leg thingymajiggywhatjudermacallits. :blink:

[Disco Dan]

Rightyo. Well if they cant afford to put the gas in it they shouldnt have a car, it's quite funny how everybody seems to have a car, it seems the norm, they arn't a luxury item like in the 1930's etc.

Yet hang on people still got around, i believe they used a thing called legs. and bicycle, which also used thems new fandangled leg thingymajiggywhatjudermacallits. :blink:

So when are you next walking to Auckland for a visit?

[skidMark]

So when are you next walking to Auckland for a visit?

Cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooont:shutup:

Skid. :cold:

[Mikkel]

Stop fucking whinging or stop buying petrol... EASY! [/end topic]

Perhaps try and realise that some day you won't be able to buy petrol in the first place and that when that happens shit is REALLY going to hit the fan!

[Hinny]

In many parts of the country their is a levy of four cents / litre to pay for Auckland motorways.
The rural sector has to pay higher prices initially for the oil companies added delivery charges. Their ire at having to fund roads for a population most consider economic parasites is understandable.

[What?]

Never seen a poor petrol station owner. Never.

That's possibly because they have all shut their doors and walked away.
I know, and know of, quite a few who have done that, and more who soon will. The only way to make a buck out of pumping gas is to pump HEAPS of it, and prop that up by selling over-priced soft drinks, lollies and bread.

[ambler]

Who cares even if it was $5 a litre we still have to buy it.


This guy doesn't. (http://www.kiwiev.com)

[candor]

Its just like NZ tobacco, price unrelated to cost - our Govt saw an opportunity to extra extort us and blame the Arabs :girlfight:. Gas is only NZ $1.20 in Asia. Fewer MPs to support though. Time to pull that CNG plan out of the bag again - source it locally.

[Jeremy]

Sourcing it locally won't help. Petrol is fungible. We could guarantee the supply but the cost would be the same.

[Hinny]

Running vehicles on water raises interesting questions.
Does it work? I met the guy over the shore that has a bike running on water. Nice, smart man.
Conversion costs. How long before 'alternative' fuels go the same way CNG did in the past. (PS I had a Hemi 265 on CNG that returned the equivalent of 17.62kms/litre at av. speed of 105kms/hr.) That's better than my bike.
Road user taxation.
Supply. Local govt. has us drinking out of the toilet at the moment. Good water is more expensive than petrol. I guess we could all get tanks and collect our rainwater. We'd be alright here in Auckland.
Years ago a plan to refill oil tankers with water for the return journey to the middle east was scrapped after objections from environmentalists concerned mainly about the pollution created cleaning out the tankers. Maybe we could use tankers to ship excess water from Fiordland, as per the original plan, around the world in clean tankers. No need for sluicing out dirty old oil.
Convert Comalco into a Hydroxl conversion plant after the Aussies abandon it because our cheap Benmore electricity is too expensive for them to use.
Pretty neat sustainable cycle.
Or we could follow Neddy Seagoon's suggestion of shipping all our excess rain off to some dry and arid place where they desperately need it. Fill up with hot dry air for the return journey.

[idleidolidyll]

I can still remember when petrol was .60cents a litre,


ahh youth...........i remember when it was 39c a GALLON! That's just under 9c a litre!

[flyingbrick]

Rightyo. Well if they cant afford to put the gas in it they shouldnt have a car, it's quite funny how everybody seems to have a car, it seems the norm, they arn't a luxury item like in the 1930's etc.

Yet hang on people still got around, i believe they used a thing called legs. and bicycle, which also used thems new fandangled leg thingymajiggywhatjudermacallits. :blink:

I'm not even going to attempt the required retort to this in its entirety. I'm sure there are enough people here of adequate morel standing to know what I'm thinking right now.

HOWEVER.. I must get this out of my system. And yes its a personal attack. I've seen others say similar; Skidmark blasting seems virtually customary here.


Thread after thread I'm confronted with your moronic ramblings. The forums would be better off without you.

Thats all. Toned down a bit on what i was going to say..:Offtopic: sorry guys.

[peasea]

I'm not even going to attempt the required retort to this in its entirety. I'm sure there are enough people here of adequate morel standing to know what I'm thinking right now.

HOWEVER.. I must get this out of my system. And yes its a personal attack. I've seen others say similar; Skidmark blasting seems virtually customary here.


Thread after thread I'm confronted with your moronic ramblings. The forums would be better off without you.

Thats all. Toned down a bit on what i was going to say..:Offtopic: sorry guys.

No, please continue.........

[Ixion]

ahh youth...........i remember when it was 39c a GALLON! That's just under 9c a litre!

And *I* remember the enormous storm of protest when it was raised from 3/4d (33c) a gallon, which price it had been maintained at, by law (back then the government set the price for all essential commodites) , for many many years.

Butter , by the way , for the housewives present, was 2/- (20c) a pound (500gm) for most of my youth. I was regularly sent to buy it from the corner shop, and I knew all the prices because they never changed.

[idleidolidyll]

shit you really are an old codger!

pounds shillings and pence left these shores when i was almost in double digits!
twasn't till 74 they'd allow me a licence (i was driving/riding by 12)

[DingoZ]

ahh youth...........i remember when it was 39c a GALLON! That's just under 9c a litre!

Wow......Whats a gallon.....:rofl:....:rofl:.......:)

[idleidolidyll]

Wow......Whats a gallon.....:rofl:....:rofl:.......:)

good question actually

in britain its about 4.5 litres

in amerika its about 3.8 litres; remember this when some yank tells you how cheap gas is by the 'gallon' in yankerland

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[cowboyz]

I get sick of the mentality that there is no point in complaining about it till it becomes out of reach expenisive. Surely there has to be something done about it before then. Did anyone catch that thing on the news last night (I missed it but saw the advert) about spikes coming up when driving into a fuel station in (UK??) to stop runners?

[hazard02]

Its all a conspiracy. You've all laughed it off for years when you heard stories about petrol companies assasinating the inventors of electric vehicles, and paying engineers to keep their water powered cars under wraps whilst whisking the schematics away so nobody could ever find them.
Skip foward to petrol hitting $200 US a barrel. Its rediculous, there's riots in the streets, gun battles erupting, economies collapsing...
Then out rolls the brand new Mobil X-1, the worlds first completely practical solar-electric/water powered vehicle which solves all our problems! All for the low price of $40g. Don't tell me this wouldn't sell like wild fire and make those Oil companies even richer...

[DingoZ]

No but there are quite serious talks underway with most major franchise owners, to make PRE-PAY compulsory at all times of the day now...

One local owner I was chating to was commenting on this and said. Bloody good idea, then noticed I was on a bike, and said to me, pre pay sucks for you guys...?

Answer yup....

Hmmmmm he goes, if they make it compulsory you might just have to unlock your fuel cap and bring in ya keys and then we can clear the pump...

Just a thought, but hey at least he is thinking of alternatives for bikers...:)

[Kittyhawk]

well why not look at converting??


fuel is fuel right...why not convert the engine and convert the fue typel?

there is a small group working on it..

just run the bikes on beer, they can ride themselves:headbang:

[DingoZ]

Great the bike not you gets done for being under the influence and you have to catch a taxi home...:)

But I only put $5.00 of light beer in officer, not full strength....:Pokey:

[ambler]

Its all a conspiracy. You've all laughed it off for years when you heard stories about petrol companies assasinating the inventors of electric vehicles, and paying engineers to keep their water powered cars under wraps whilst whisking the schematics away so nobody could ever find them.
Skip foward to petrol hitting $200 US a barrel. Its rediculous, there's riots in the streets, gun battles erupting, economies collapsing...
Then out rolls the brand new Mobil X-1, the worlds first completely practical solar-electric/water powered vehicle which solves all our problems! All for the low price of $40g. Don't tell me this wouldn't sell like wild fire and make those Oil companies even richer...

Not so long ago there was an extremely succesful electric version of Toyota's RAV4, they were selling faster than they could be made. The project was stopped after only building about 1500 vehicles, and although Toyota has never really said why, the worldwide patent rights to the large-format NiMH batteries they were using had become the property of Chevron-Texaco. And would it surprise you to know that currently Chevron now only allows smaller NiHM batteries to be produced?
Here's some interesting reading - electric vehicles are not future technology, they're past technology!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_RAV4_EV

[hazard02]

I was just taking the piss, but this does sound a little fishy. Perhaps this was a pilot run to test the market for electric vehicles in preparation for the situtation I propsed?

[Hinny]

Skip foward to petrol hitting $200 US a barrel. Its rediculous, there's riots in the streets, gun battles erupting, economies collapsing....

Doesn't this happen in Mad Max when gas hits $1.20 a litre? :eek5:

[marty]

gas in switzerland is currently €1.80/litre (NZ$3.69)

[tri boy]

Kill more dinosaurs, problem solved.
"Cum ere Ixion, and hold this bomb shaped thingy, whilst I round up old rider":bleh:

[jonbuoy]

Not so long ago there was an extremely succesful electric version of Toyota's RAV4, they were selling faster than they could be made. The project was stopped after only building about 1500 vehicles, and although Toyota has never really said why, the worldwide patent rights to the large-format NiMH batteries they were using had become the property of Chevron-Texaco. And would it surprise you to know that currently Chevron now only allows smaller NiHM batteries to be produced?
Here's some interesting reading - electric vehicles are not future technology, they're past technology!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_RAV4_EV

0-60 in 18 seconds, equivelant of 100 MPG and they were still selling like hot cakes? A diesel electric would out perform that, not to mention the cost of having to replace all those NiMH batteries every few years because they got tired and have bugger all capacity and die when you least want them too. Battery technology isn't there yet and won't be for a while yet.

[wickle]

yes fuel prices are crazy high but i am interested if anyone knows the bonafide figures of what the petrol stations pay for it and exactly what taxes and how much the stupid moronic greedy bastard government takes
approx 2003 break down of costs for 91 octane, Govt tax 50%, Opperaters costs 11%, Int shipping 4%, crude oil 35%.. Independent operaters usually donot own fuel till it has gone thru pumps and are debted next day for litres sold ,, approx 4.7 cents per litre including gst is what they are paid , most only really make real profit from shop sales .

[PrincessBandit]

And *I* remember ...

...Butter , by the way , for the housewives present, was 2/- (20c) a pound (500gm) for most of my youth.

I remember seeing an old Woolworths till receipt years and years ago whichhad 13c for a pound of butter on it - must have been on special!! Remember when milk was 4c a pint - geez and I was still at intermediate then!


good question actually

in britain its about 4.5 litres

in amerika its about 3.8 litres; remember this when some yank tells you how cheap gas is by the 'gallon' in yankerland

mind you, in amerika a fat girl can wear a size 10 dress....................har! har! har! har! har! har! har! har!
har! har! har! har!
har! har! har! har!
har! har! har! har!
har! har! har! har!
har! har! har! har!
har! har! har! har!

On the radio the other day they were comparing petrol prices here with other "developed" countries, including the UK, Switzerland i think and others, comparing all in US $, and NZ was by no means near the top of the list in terms of "most expensive". Not that it makes it any easier to live with.
p.s. considering that dresses go down to size 0 in the states....I saw a size 2 on the rack in a shop the other day (obviously yank sizing) and just shook my head. A NZ size 10 is about a US size 4 for those who are wondering.


No but there are quite serious talks underway with most major franchise owners, to make PRE-PAY compulsory at all times of the day now...

Hmmmmm he goes, if they make it compulsory you might just have to unlock your fuel cap and bring in ya keys and then we can clear the pump...

Just a thought, but hey at least he is thinking of alternatives for bikers...:)

Not such a silly idea if it has to be done...


Rightyo. Well if they cant afford to put the gas in it they shouldnt have a car, it's quite funny how everybody seems to have a car, it seems the norm, they arn't a luxury item like in the 1930's etc.

Yet hang on people still got around, i believe they used a thing called legs. and bicycle, which also used thems new fandangled leg thingymajiggywhatjudermacallits. :blink:

Getting lots of news coverage lately - people "rediscovering" the humble push bike. What with all the hoo haa about obesity etc in NZ pushbiking and walking might have a renaissance!
Personally I'm wondering how long it will take for it to cost the same to fill my bike as it currently does to fill my car :crybaby:

[Hinny]

Personally I'm wondering how long it will take for it to cost the same to fill my bike as it currently does to fill my car :crybaby:

Two or three years ago I was shocked to see my truck cost $37 to fill.
I filled my bike yesterday...$56 !:shutup:

American economic terrorists. :angry2:

[EJK]

BP station makes more money out of Wildbean cafe's coffees.

[marty]

the shell in cambridge has been open for a month, and you can see the total litres sold on the pump.

in one month, one 91 pump has moved 1.0 million litres. i didn't look at the rest of them. there's 10 pumps, and there is almost always a que to get in there

at 05 cents/litre to the servo owner, that's not bad........

[pete376403]

http://www.shell.com/home/content/nz-en/shell_for_motorists/fuels/pricing/pricing_faqs.html
Undestandably this is written so that it puts Shell in the best possible light. Was listening to Net Rad last week about fuel pricing - one commentator said crude costs approx $US20 per barrel at the wellhead, and it is basically speculation by large financial organisations that is moving the prices onward and upward.

Nationals John Key would be just the guy to ask how this operates, he used to be a trader with Merrill Lynch in "offshore banking" (ie currency speculation).

[Forest]

http://www.shell.com/home/content/nz-en/shell_for_motorists/fuels/pricing/pricing_faqs.html
Undestandably this is written so that it puts Shell in the best possible light. Was listening to Net Rad last week about fuel pricing - one commentator said crude costs approx $US20 per barrel at the wellhead, and it is basically speculation by large financial organisations that is moving the prices onward and upward.

That's not true.

If people are speculating in oil futures, then at some stage they have to take physical delivery of their "paper barrels" or sell them to people who actually want them i.e. the refineries. This places fundamental limits on the prices at which oil is traded.


Edit - Some crude costs $20 at the wellhead. Some crude costs considerably more. However in all cases, major capital investment has been made for the extraction rigs and transportation infrastructure and it is the capital investment which is producing the profits.

If you feel that oil companies are making large profits, then you should buy shares in oil companies.

[ukbandit]

you guys should see some of this. im working on one now (not this minute)
had some good sucess but needs more work.:2thumbsup

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=hho&search_type=&aq=f