Trying again. Serious advice please.

[James Deuce]

To those of you that haven’t been paying attention I wrote the TRX off on the Rimutakas 3 weeks ago.

My Insurance payout is imminent.

I’ve been searching for a replacement in my price range, which is capped at $7.5k, and I’ve narrowed it down to the following bikes:

98 CB600 Hornet, 4800km, $6495 (I’ve negotiated), http://mastertonmotorcycles.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=474291&TabID=5552&Alias=mastertonmotorcyclesNZ

97 GSX750F, 24,000km, $7995 (No way I’m paying that – I’ll start at $6k and max at $7k), http://mastertonmotorcycles.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=216376&TabID=5552&Alias=mastertonmotorcyclesNZ

97 TRX850, 20,000km, On Trademe starting at $4300. I’d pay $7k max. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports-tourer/auction-20385137.htm

93 VFR750, 15,000km, On Trademe asking price of $6750. I’m happy with that. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports-tourer/auction-20307396.htm

97 GSF600S, 25,500km, On Trademe staring at $4500. I’d pay $5.5k max so had some case to upgrade the suspension. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports-tourer/auction-20377226.htm

94 YZF750R, 12,000km, Trevor Pierce M/Cs in Christchurch listed at $6995 and & $7500 (??? Weird listings). Lovely bike, but I’d pay $6.5k cash because of the age. http://trevorpiercemotorcycles.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=593772&TabID=5696&Alias=trevorpiercemotorcyclesNZ

The Issues!

I’m getting older (aren’t we all), and my knees can’t handle sports bikes as well as I used to. The TRX did everything I ever wanted in a road bike, but my knees would crap out after an hour. I’ve reviewed my bike choices with the thought in mind that I would like to cover 200kms without having to stop and stretch my knees out.

Hornet – Most of you know that I value good handling above all else. Every review I have read suggests to me that I would need to upgrade for springs and rear shock to get it to “Jim spec”. This would inflate the price to approx $8500, getting me into huge trouble with Heather.

GSX750F – I’ve bagged the GSX600/750 for years, but I am still interested in this one because of *gasp* the colour and the reviews I’ve read suggest that it would be more than the sum of it’s parts. However the price is excessive given age and mileage as they went out the door at $8995 a year ago. Needs serious negotiation, which I hate doing I hasten to add.

TRX850 – Knees. It has a custom 2 into 1 exhaust system made from Carbon Fibre which twins generally vibrate to pieces in short order. I would only consider this one if the dude has the original exhaust system, plus a service history. Oh, and Knees again.

VFR750 – It’s lovely, I have a "friend" in Auckland who is going to check it out. The only thing about it that makes me go hmmm, is the age, though that shouldn’t be an issue with the mileage and excellent service history.

600 Bandit – this would be, at best, a common sense purchase. While outright power isn’t an issue with me, asthmatic engine performance ticks me off eventually. I reckon I could only bear to keep it for a year. The unfaired version is $8995 brand new at the mo, so $4.5-$5k would be the most I would pay for this.

YZF750R – This is a dual seat YZF750SP – 6 piston front callipers, ohlins forks and rear shock, deltabox frame, and a slightly more spacious riding position than the TRX. Same plank of a seat though.

Whatever I buy I have to keep for 2-3 years.

I would really appreciate some advice. I know you’ll all have different opinions, but I respect everyone (except PaulinNZ who is just going to tell me to stop faffing about with nancy bikes and buy a Guzzi) I’ve met through this group and I think you’ll have stuff to add to my muddled reasoning process. I won’t be commuting on this bike. Whatever I buy will be a toy for weekend fun and the occasional tour.

Regards

Jim2

[White trash]

Mate, not trying to be a kill-joy, but if you've already negotiated a price on the Hornet, from a salesmans point of view, you're buying it.

Unless you've told the owner otherwise, then I'll just shut my skinny trap.

I'd go for the bandit personally as they lend themselves better to stunting and tuning.

[James Deuce]

Mate, not trying to be a kill-joy, but if you've already negotiated a price on the Hornet, from a salesmans point of view, you're buying it.

Unless you've told the owner otherwise, then I'll just shut my skinny trap.

I'd go for the bandit personally as they lend themselves better to stunting and tuning.

Negotiation went this way - "It's listed on Bikepoint at $7495 and in Motorcycle Trader at $6495, which is it"?

I ain't bought it sunshine.

1 vote for the Bandit then.

[jrandom]

I have no idea, so discount everything I say, but I'd go for the Bindit too.

Because it's almost as bulletproof as the Hornet, yet a little less ghey.

How about a back-to-back Hornet/Bandit ride comparo? Have a think about it, and post some comments. Might help to clear that question away.

In fact, why don't you just round-robin *all* the bikes under consideration, either mentally or by doing back-to-back rides, until you come out with a clear winner?

Nobody can tell you what *you* want.

[jimbo600]

In light of your wants and needs I would go for the VFR. 10/10 comfort, reasonable handling, reasonable pace, Honda build quality a bit of a do everything bike. Always got good ratings the VFR. I'd never own one, but I look for something else in bikes.

[James Deuce]

I have no idea, so discount everything I say, but I'd go for the Bindit too.

Because it's almost as bulletproof as the Hornet, yet a little less ghey.

How about a back-to-back Hornet/Bandit ride comparo? Have a think about it, and post some comments. Might help to clear that question away.

In fact, why don't you just round-robin *all* the bikes under consideration, either mentally or by doing back-to-back rides, until you come out with a clear winner?

Nobody can tell you what *you* want.

That's a nice idea, but half those bikes are private sales so no test ride. Of the dealer ones one is in Christchurch. There isn't a lot in my price range hence the questions on here.

Oh, and I really hate bandits.

So now we have 2x Bandit votes. *sigh*.

I'll have to say it as you lot are hopeless at reading between the lines - there will be no performance upgrades, as I really don't have the money to do it. Suspension upgrades if I keep the initial purchase price low enough. Having dealt severly to a Bandit 600 on the Rimutakas on the TRX I am loathe to buy one quite frankly.

[jrandom]

Well, buy the VFR then. You won't be unhappy. I'm sure Jimbo speaks troof.

Are you sure that Bandit was slow because it was slow, or was it just being ridden less-than-enthusiastically?

[White trash]

Having dealt severly to a Bandit 600 on the Rimutakas on the TRX I am loathe to buy one quite frankly.

Oh mate, you're leaving yourself wide open here!

Wouldn't be tha same Bandit that tootled past as the tow truck was picking your raggarty arse broken shit up was it?

*ducks and runs*

[James Deuce]

Oh mate, you're leaving yourself wide open here!

Wouldn't be tha same Bandit that tootled past as the tow truck was picking your raggarty arse broken shit up was it?

*ducks and runs*

Ahahahaa

Hence why I'm not even looking in the window of WMCC.

Where are you moving to next, so I can avoid there too?

[Mencius]

VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR

My *rider* had a VFR 400. Loved it. Bitch to get in the pillion seat, but loved it :cool2:

Ang, buy the VFR.......

[White trash]

Ohhh, don't be like that mate.

Really, I like TRXs too, see. I just like Suzukis better.

I mean, if I was getting as round in the midriff.....ah ah ah I mean well rounded in life as you, I'd go for the VFR. :whistle:

[James Deuce]

VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR VFR

My *rider* had a VFR 400. Loved it. Bitch to get in the pillion seat, but loved it :cool2:

Ang, buy the VFR.......

I've had a Vfr400 and an RC30 in the past, hence the interest in the VFR.

Thnaks for that.

[aff-man]

don't know how good the yzf750r is but i did notice in your write up it has full ohlins suspension :Punk: . Viffers are quite heavy but hell with the tank i ride how would i know.
Sorry to throw a spanner in the works but have you seen.
http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=517894&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz
http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=623675&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz
http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=449826&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz
http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=533787&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz

[Teflon]

Logical to buy another TRX.

VFR, nice and smooth to ride, but really, really boring.

YZF, you might get sore knees.

Bandit, does nothing for me, have the 1200 thou.

So my vote is the TRX, because sounds like twin, goes like twin, and a ot more chracter than the rest.

[James Deuce]

don't know how good the yzf750r is but i did notice in your write up it has full ohlins suspension :Punk: . Viffers are quite heavy but hell with the tank i ride how would i know.
Sorry to throw a spanner in the works but have you seen.
http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=517894&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz
http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=623675&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz
http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=449826&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz
http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=533787&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz

Good Stuff mate thanks.

Trying to stay away from high mileage stuff, though I will ring about that CBR.

Teflon - cheers.

[Stevo]

Being a (only slightly) biased Honda man I would say the Hornet but if ya could get the VFR for 6g or thereabouts then grab it. Failing that have a look around dealers for similar bikes to take for a test ride, ie process of elimination for the bikes you like least.

[aff-man]

Good Stuff mate thanks.

Trying to stay away from high mileage stuff, though I will ring about that CBR.

Teflon - cheers.

There were 2 other cbr's on there. One was a black and red 98 and the other was the same red/white/blue but it was a 95. Heard they go pretty good. If i hads the cash she would be my choice (or a zx6 but they are pretty rare)

[gsxr750]

Oh mate, you're leaving yourself wide open here!

Wouldn't be tha same Bandit that tootled past as the tow truck was picking your raggarty arse broken shit up was it?

*ducks and runs*

Bike don't make rider. hate to say this as i'd go for the bandit but for comfit and a good package have to say the VFR (few more cc's always helps)
Nick

[James Deuce]

Bike don't make rider. hate to say this as i'd go for the bandit but for comfit and a good package have to say the VFR (few more cc's always helps)
Nick

I'm aware of that, but a TRX beating a Bandit (even a 600 ) in a straight line drag? Either that thing was running on three cylinders or the guy wasn't trying as hard as he looked.

[sedge]

There's a nice black blade went up on trademe today 39ks 7.5k ono... MMMmmm

Bandits are really really bizzare bikes... don't do it <yurk>... you sit on them all up in the air like some old codger <shudder>, it's one step from there to a leather helmet and flying goggles...

Also, it only takes some smug shit to say that it should have arse before it's name to really make your day. You know... Suzuki 'Arse' Bandit... Suzuki 'Anal' Intruder... Suzuki 'unprotected' ButtSex (to be released next year, heh heh )... I guess if you're man enough to handle the constant ribbing then it's cool to have a Bandit.

Ah, what do I know ? Nowt...

There's a nice looking naked RF600 on trademe... Step up from a Bandit...

Um... Out of your list I'd get the VFR or the YZF... If you like the TRXs why not look at TDMs ? Not the same look, but a crap load comfier and more practical (cheaper too)...

But if it's for weekend fun, get the YZF...

Cheers Jim,

Sedge. (I know nothing.... nothing)

[riffer]

I've spoken to you about this today, and my feelings are still the same.

I'm trying to put myself in your shoes, rather than mine, as I'd pick the YZF over the others without blinking.

For everything that you want to do, and bearing in mind you want something that will last you for at least two years, you would definitely be best to go for the VFR.

The Bandit will need to be revved to get anywhere at a decent speed, the TRX is of course, lovely, but you will have those god-awful spongy forks to deal to, and, as you pointed out to me today, you don't know if it has the original pipes with it also. The Hornet - too expensive if you don't like the suspension, which you've mentioned, and the GSXF is too expensive.

Which leaves the VFR and the YZF.

VFR looks good, but as a private sale, you never know what you are getting.

The YZF sounds awesome, but can you handle the seat and the high pegs.

If it was for me, I'd say YZF, but you want to tour and I don't know if you can handle the pegs and seat.

Much as I hate to say it, go for the VFR. Of course, if you get the YZF, I'd love to have a go on it :msn-wink:

[manuboy]

Only ever heard good things about the Vfr - about as bulletproof as a bike can get. Cosy. Might have bland power delivery, but at least there is some sort of power to deliver... i reckon they look alright as well. And if you don't like it in a years time they're probably pretty easy to flick on?

[gsxr750]

There's a nice looking naked RF600 on trademe... Step up from a Bandit...

Um... Out of your list I'd get the VFR or the YZF... If you like the TRXs why not look at TDMs ? Not the same look, but a crap load comfier and more practical (cheaper too)...


Cheers Jim,

don't do the RF, intrinsently shit bikes (heavy and poor suspension) but you like the yam twin and you can find one a TDM's a good package. bit more upright (trailbikie) than "I" like but might be the thing for you knee's.
Nick

[Kickaha]

That's a nice idea, but half those bikes are private sales so no test ride. Of the dealer ones one is in Christchurch.

.

The YZF at TP's is less than 100m from work,I'll be only to happy to test ride it for you :rolleyes:

[Redstar]

I your knees are stuffed as you say then fit them with some sliders and finish them off! or do what I did and consider an RF900 Suzuki its good for me!

[James Deuce]

The YZF at TP's is less than 100m from work,I'll be only to happy to test ride it for you :rolleyes:

I was actually going to suggest that :)

I was also going to ask for somewhere to stay for a night if it ends up being "the one". :)

[James Deuce]

Ooo - lots of good stuff.

Thanks very much chaps.

[sedge]

Ow... I was just beaten to death by a bunch of angry Bandit and Intruder owners... Heh heh...

Like I said, I know nothing... everyone likes different bikes, you're gonna have to go and test ride 'em all ;)... Tell the Mrs you're going on a long long holiday, but when you get get back you'll be very very happy and will repaint the house or something.

Sedge.

[James Deuce]

Sorry Sedge - didn't mean to get you into trouble.

The TDM 850 is truly horrible. Really soft suspensions and the engine has a different firing order to the TRX, which just ruins it (I've tried one). The TDM 900 is nice (same firing order, slightly more HP, way more torque) but out of my price range.

[Stevo]

Shyte!
Don't do that!
Every nice day that comes your way you will be cursing that you have to paint "the damn house" rather than be out riding.
Hope you have a brick house, then there is not nearly as much painting involved

[James Deuce]

Shyte!
Don't do that!
Every nice day that comes your way you will be cursing that you have to paint "the damn house" rather than be out riding.
Hope you have a brick house, then there is not nearly as much painting involved

Guess what - I have a brick house - ROCK ON!

[Mooch]

Jim2 ,

First choice would be the twin and reckon the sound makes up for the sore knees. Of all the sports bikes you've owned in the past I reckon your very happest on this . (Or maybe RC 30 ?).

Second otherwise , the gsxf 750 , Cheap to run (Ang has done 30k with near no costs on the 600 verson), easy to ride long km's , holds tonnes of luggage.Low center of gravety .Only downside is slowish cornering.

Otherwise , an early 90's 900 ss ...... But I could be biased here .
Mooch

[aff-man]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports-tourer/auction-20175448.htm

*Starts smacking lips* hehehehe. Yeh i saw that naked RF but imagine the wind sheesh. As i said if you can find a late 90's zx6r they are mean machines (just ask CK and i was the one trying to keep up hahahaha) but real as all feck.
Bit high milage but http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=69670&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz
or if you can stretch them purse strings http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=537327&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz they are weapons

[James Deuce]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports-tourer/auction-20175448.htm

*Starts smacking lips* hehehehe. Yeh i saw that naked RF but imagine the wind sheesh. As i said if you can find a late 90's zx6r they are mean machines (just ask CK and i was the one trying to keep up hahahaha) but real as all feck.
Bit high milage but http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=69670&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz
or if you can stretch them purse strings http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=537327&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz they are weapons

All too old and high mileage dude - remember I am on a budget and couldn't afford to run an 851

I definitely cannot stretch the budget.

[Kickaha]

I was actually going to suggest that :)

I was also going to ask for somewhere to stay for a night if it ends up being "the one". :)


Not a problem got a couple of spare bed,one even has some sheets on it, I also offer a pickup service from the airport

I'll wander over tomorrow and have a look over it.

[gav]

I'm possibly going to be at Trevor Pierces tomorrow, too. Will have a look at the YZF for you, hope it looks better than in the photo, looks like a shocking repaint to me......
Guess it really depends what you want, fairing or naked, multi or twin. If you could get the TRX for say $5 ish, have to be a winner. If the Hornet is you, I'd look at that 98 CBR600, do everything the Hornet will with better suspension and more power! Or the 93 VFR750, low enough kms, bullet proof motor, hasnt frosty got a black one for sale?

[James Deuce]

I'm possibly going to be at Trevor Pierces tomorrow, too. Will have a look at the YZF for you, hope it looks better than in the photo, looks like a shocking repaint to me......
Guess it really depends what you want, fairing or naked, multi or twin. If you could get the TRX for say $5 ish, have to be a winner. If the Hornet is you, I'd look at that 98 CBR600, do everything the Hornet will with better suspension and more power! Or the 93 VFR750, low enough kms, bullet proof motor, hasnt frosty got a black one for sale?

That's standard colours mate :) At least I'll stand out at the gay bar... doh another secret sprung.

The VFR I'm looking at is a minter. Frosty's going to have a look for me.

[2_SL0]

Wel Im no expert, but my gut vote is still the Hornet. (Damn good bike) But if you have probs with knees. Then to me that actually points you more at the Hornet, Bandit or TRX for sitting position. I would strongly recommend you go and sit on them all and see what feels most comfortable or similar to your TRX. (Well obviously the TRX will.) The safe bet is going to be TRX from a comfort point of view, but if you want something different then the Bandit or Hornet. Take the Hornet for a good ride.

[Teflon]

Pick up a yoshi GSXR11 (96) around your price range.

Think they restricted in the carbs or came out with smaller carbs.

I'm sure you know all about them, bullet proof motors etc.

Still love them.

[stevedee]

What about , I know you are going to hate the suggestion, a SV650?

[gav]

Always liked these
GPZ900 (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports-tourer/auction-20398300.htm)
http://202.21.128.4/photoserver/97/7090197_full.jpg
Its a 93 model only 18000km !!! under $5K !!!!
Its got the upgraded wheel sizes and brakes, think you can still buy them brand new in Japan.
Pretend your Tom Cruise out of Top Gun, too cool :niceone:

[James Deuce]

What about , I know you are going to hate the suggestion, a SV650?

Too expensive for a good one.

Don't mind them at all.

[Blakamin]

That's standard colours mate :) At least I'll stand out at the gay bar... doh another secret sprung.

It WAS you running around the corner when I delivered the karaoke to "the pound" last thursday...... :buggerd:


Something about the VFR... the fairing looks heaps nicer from the side than the YZF....
YZF has a "too-big" space around the bars and too "upright" in the blade area...


just my opinion... go the VFR (has a bit of Paso to it, and ya said you liked them)

[James Deuce]

Always liked these
GPZ900 (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports-tourer/auction-20398300.htm)
http://202.21.128.4/photoserver/97/7090197_full.jpg
Its a 93 model only 18000km !!! under $5K !!!!
Its got the upgraded wheel sizes and brakes, think you can still buy them brand new in Japan.
Pretend your Tom Cruise out of Top Gun, too cool :niceone:

Too fat.

Ridden one and it steers like a supermarket trolley compared to anything designed after 1987.

Thanks anyway though.

[Eddieb]

Go the VFR or YZF.

You know you like the TRX, but will get annoyed at the knee thing, especially after another two years of 'maturing'.

Bandits are good bikes, but not inspiring/exciting enough for you, probably will also lack a bit in the standard suspension for your riding. Very tunable as said but not in your price range.

Don't know much about YZF's but they got lowest ratings in tests I've read in their day, mainly cause of slightly lower speeds and average tyres from the factory I think compared to other bikes of the time.

I've done serious km's at serious speeds on the front and back of various model VFR's all over europe and have nothing but respect for one ridden properly, not GSXR territory but solid handling and a lot more capable than you might think. Plus as you know the V4 sounds great when wound up.

Hmm, a few more than 2 cents.

[aff-man]

Too expensive for a good one.

Don't mind them at all.

nope that one on the list i showed you was in your price range well sorta but i am sure you can talk em down http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=449826&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz

edit: feck it apon closer inspection it seems like it's been race prepped so i don't know what would be needed to get her road legal.
Please keep us informed of any test rides/info you find cause i might wanna upgrade to something similar. Cheers

[Juan]

Do you not get the original Fazer 600 over there? fine bike, much better than the Bandit or Hairnet

Failing that...wot about some pink!!http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=75040&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz

or some Grunthttp://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=507471&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz

Go and test as many as you can.... and have fun

[moko]

Juan beat me to suggesting the Fazer,massively popular in Britain with good reason.Similar performance to the Hornet but everything else is better,brakes are the same as fitted to the R1 and the motor`s a real gem.Biggest drawback with the Hornet is the fuel-consumption,which is diabolical.Fazer will go almost twice as far on a tank-full.Not just selling it because I`ve got one,I looked at the Hornet very closely before making my choice and never regretted it,nice bike but the Fazer`s better.
Bandit`s a great bike for day to day use and there are thousands of happy owners,Hornet and Fazer will out-do it in every respect though and I`m a bit baffled as to why it`s on your list as you dont appear to like them anyway.GSX`s get slagged off by anyone who`s not actually ridden them,o.k. so some of the build quality isnt the best but they`re a lot of bike for the money,very,very cheap used though so dont bother with anything that`s not unless it`s way above average.FZR,brilliant bike but you`re doing your knees again,same reason I cant ride a sports bike.VFRs have great rep and odly the only model I`ve read bad stuff about is the 800 V-tec which seems like technology for the sake of it and even then it dosnt work particularly well,that`s way out of your budget anyway,dread to think what a neglected secondhand version would be like a few years down the line.750`s have "bullet-proof" rep,apart from reg/rectifier but hey it`s a Honda,very nice bikes and very popular.

[James Deuce]

nope that one on the list i showed you was in your price range well sorta but i am sure you can talk em down http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=449826&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz

edit: feck it apon closer inspection it seems like it's been race prepped so i don't know what would be needed to get her road legal.
Please keep us informed of any test rides/info you find cause i might wanna upgrade to something similar. Cheers

I thought it was subtle attempt to get me on the track! :)

Thanks anyway.

(I was tempted but Heather went mental :))

[James Deuce]

Do you not get the original Fazer 600 over there? fine bike, much better than the Bandit or Hairnet

Failing that...wot about some pink!!http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=75040&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz

or some Grunthttp://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=507471&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz

Go and test as many as you can.... and have fun
Cheers Juan. The YZF750 I'm looking at is effectively a dual seat SP. I'm after the rear subframe and seat pad so I can strap bags on you see. Lovely bike that one. It's been at Red Baron for a while and I beloeve I checked it out about 18 months ago!

We never got the Fazer 600 here unfortunately.

The XJR1200 never got a good review that I can find, from magazine's or owners. The SP was OK, but was shortlived and consequently held their price. The XJR1300 is a different kettle of fish altogether, but too expensive.

[James Deuce]

Juan beat me to suggesting the Fazer,massively popular in Britain with good reason.Similar performance to the Hornet but everything else is better,brakes are the same as fitted to the R1 and the motor`s a real gem.Biggest drawback with the Hornet is the fuel-consumption,which is diabolical.Fazer will go almost twice as far on a tank-full.Not just selling it because I`ve got one,I looked at the Hornet very closely before making my choice and never regretted it,nice bike but the Fazer`s better.
Bandit`s a great bike for day to day use and there are thousands of happy owners,Hornet and Fazer will out-do it in every respect though and I`m a bit baffled as to why it`s on your list as you dont appear to like them anyway.GSX`s get slagged off by anyone who`s not actually ridden them,o.k. so some of the build quality isnt the best but they`re a lot of bike for the money,very,very cheap used though so dont bother with anything that`s not unless it`s way above average.FZR,brilliant bike but you`re doing your knees again,same reason I cant ride a sports bike.VFRs have great rep and odly the only model I`ve read bad stuff about is the 800 V-tec which seems like technology for the sake of it and even then it dosnt work particularly well,that`s way out of your budget anyway,dread to think what a neglected secondhand version would be like a few years down the line.750`s have "bullet-proof" rep,apart from reg/rectifier but hey it`s a Honda,very nice bikes and very popular.


Thanks Moko - As I said in response to Juan's post, we didn't get the Fazer 600 here. The Bandit is on there thanks to being beaten by several people who insisted I include it. I'll try and track down one to ride.

I dug out a couple of Performance bikes magazines and an MSL or two, and I have to admit that the tank range is what puts me off the Hornet. The most anyone got from a tank was 110 miles (180km). That's Ducati territory!!

The VFR I'm looking at is a one owner bike with the expected service history, plus the dude is older and the bike has only been used for tours and weekend rides in the main, which is why I'm considering it. The reg/rectifier issue is the same old "we forgot to design a heatsink for it so it doesn't get one" ostrich engineering that Honda indulge in from time to time. I'll be cutting up a copper heatsink from some defunct piece of computer equipment and gluing it on if I was to buy it.

[Cajun]

Pick up a yoshi GSXR11 (96) around your price range.

Think they restricted in the carbs or came out with smaller carbs.

I'm sure you know all about them, bullet proof motors etc.

Still love them.
gsxr1100 would be hard on the knee's i know i had an 96 gsxr1100 last year, very cramped up really,

[Motu]

I'd get a TDM,you get to keep using that great motor,have a more relaxed riding position to suit your...um,whatever,and have handling that may allow you to ride out things like a diesel spill with aplomb.Get your mindset out of it's rut,look at bikes you never consididerd before.

[moko]

I have to admit that the tank range is what puts me off the Hornet. The most anyone got from a tank was 110 miles (180km). That's Ducati territory!!


Thing is mate it`s not just the fact that it`s got a small tank but it really drinks the juice as well.I`ve seen reports of them doing about 32 miles to the gallon,and that`s average-gets really silly when they`re thrashed,which along with the stupidly small tank is ludicrous.Fazer averages 45 and I fill up every 180 miles or so.Makes the Honda far more expensive to run.Early ones have 16 inch front wheels which are not to everyone`s taste,later versions have bigger tanks but still not big enough and you`re venturing out of your price range by quite a bit.
Bandit`s not a bad bike,just dated that`s all,very popular in Britain where you`ll hardly ever see a standard one.Early ones have the passenger pegs mounted straight onto the frame so check carefully for signs of crash damage as this has been known to bend frames after relatively minor spills.Honda build quality is far better than Suzuki which at least in the Brit climate makes a difference,probably not so much in N.Z.Bandit still sells new here with the 650 version just launched.

[vifferman]

The VFR I'm looking at is a one owner bike with the expected service history, plus the dude is older and the bike has only been used for tours and weekend rides in the main, which is why I'm considering it. It's always a big plus having a good history like this.

The reg/rectifier issue is the same old "we forgot to design a heatsink for it so it doesn't get one" ostrich engineering that Honda indulge in from time to time. I'll be cutting up a copper heatsink from some defunct piece of computer equipment and gluing it on if I was to buy it. Forget about doing that. Where it's located, it can't shed heat anyway, as the heat from the rear headers comes up on that side of the bike, and wafts up under the side cowling. You can either wait till it dies, then buy a proper R/R and relocate it, or put a heatsink on it and move it. You might be lucky and NEVER have problems - it does happen sometimes. By the way - a new, beefy R/R is $300, and is not that difficult to do, so it's no real biggie. They do occasionally fail in 'oversupply of voltage mode', taking out other components, which can be expensive, but it's more usual for them to expire quietly and your battery goes dead.

My VFR750 was a 90, and apart from the R/R, I had no problems. The gearbox was a bit notchy, and the bike had a bad history, but the one you're considering sounds like a goodun. If you do buy it, somewhere down the line you may want to do the suspension, as it's built to a budget, but there are low-cost things you can do to improve it as is, like reverse the eccentric on the rear hub to raise the rear, and fit bits from a 600 to the front forks to improve damping etc. And there's LOTS of info available on-line for every conceivable problem or question you might have.

My advice is to take your time choosing (unless an absolute bargain comes along) and test-ride as many bikes as you can. I know the VFR will be instantly comfy for you, and is a great all-rounder, but whatever you buy has to be summat that will do it for you, so any advice we give you could all be academic if the bike doesn't make you happy.

[Ghost Lemur]

You should have really put a poll up for this Jim2. But by my guesstimations the VFR is in the lead (rightly so in this case I think).

[James Deuce]

You should have really put a poll up for this Jim2. But by my guesstimations the VFR is in the lead (rightly so in this case I think).

Dang thing sold today (not to me).

I did however ride the Hornet and GSX750F today, and got two surprises.

See here: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=139042&posted=1#post139042

[Kickaha]

Dang thing sold today (not to me).




I wandered over to check it out and found Trevor with a customer looking at it,at first I thought it might be Gav as I heard him mention owning a CB and he said he might call in and havea look for you but when I asked him he said no,and now I see we have a new member from Chch today with a YZF750 hmmmmmmmmmm

[James Deuce]

I wandered over to check it out and found Trevor with a customer looking at it,at first I thought it might be Gav as I heard him mention owning a CB and he said he might call in and havea look for you but when I asked him he said no,and now I see we have a new member from Chch today with a YZF750 hmmmmmmmmmm

Drat.

Seems I am being steered in a particular direction by forces cosmic.

[gav]

Hey Kickaha, what time were you there? I got there just before 10 and they werent open, The YZF was there then, but when I went back around 2.30 ish, there was no sign of it, thought maybe you had been in and taken it for a test ride? I took out the silver VTR Trev has there, very nice. The YZF600 is quite tidy hes got, but too higher kms for want Jim2 wants (around 43000km I think)

[Juan]

I beloeve I checked it out about 18 months ago!

We never got the Fazer 600 here unfortunately.



18 months ago!!!! must be over priced then!!

Fazer not in NZ could cause us a problem as my wife is so short that her Fazer is the only 600 she can ride after some changes that we have made to ride height etc, we were going to leave the Fazers behind and then buy twoo over there... Would we be allowed to bring one into NZ or not?

[gav]

Good Stuff mate thanks.

Trying to stay away from high mileage stuff, though I will ring about that CBR.

Teflon - cheers.
I think the FZR is too high a mileage, remember this?
Has the 93 VFR750 been sold? still listed on Trade Me.
Not keen on the TRX anymore?
OK how about some of these?

Kawi 750 Zephyr (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports-tourer/auction-20220867.htm)
Suzuki 1200S Bandit (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports-tourer/auction-20392937.htm)
another 1200 Suzy (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports-tourer/auction-20300651.htm)

[James Deuce]

I think the FZR is too high a mileage, remember this?
Has the 93 VFR750 been sold? still listed on Trade Me.
Not keen on the TRX anymore?
OK how about some of these?

Kawi 750 Zephyr (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports-tourer/auction-20220867.htm)
Suzuki 1200S Bandit (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports-tourer/auction-20392937.htm)
another 1200 Suzy (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports-tourer/auction-20300651.htm)

Zephyr's are horrible, and Bandit 1200s too expensive to insure.

The $4300 TRX has alarm bells going off for me. The dude hasn't answered my questions yet.

The VFR has been sold.

Hence my interest in the FZR.

[MacD]

Dang thing sold today (not to me).

I did however ride the Hornet and GSX750F today, and got two surprises.

See here: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=139042&posted=1#post139042

If you are considering a GSX750F then I'd recommend that you take an RF900 for a ride. I've had a GSX750F as a loaner and I found it more cramped than the RF900 and not as good a ride in general.

As for them being heavy, they're a few kilos lighter than a VFR supposedly.

Here's one (http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=533133&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz) for sale privately (by the looks of it) for $7500.

[James Deuce]

If you are considering a GSX750F then I'd strongly suggest you take an RF900 for a ride. I've had a GSX750F as a loaner and I found it more cramped than the RF900 and not as good a ride in general.

As for them being heavy, they're a few kilos lighter than a VFR supposedly.

Here's one (http://www.bikepoint.co.nz/DesktopDefault.aspx?UsedBikeID=533133&TabID=3553&Alias=bikepointnz) for sale privately (by the looks of it) for $7500.

I've attached a few reviews I've found on the 'net.

Thanks dude - one thing I have to bear in mind is that my insurance premiums are going up, so I am trying to stay sub-800cc.

Thanks for the reviews and stuff :)

Cheers

Jim

[Hitcher]

Thanks dude - one thing I have to bear in mind is that my insurance premiums are going up, so I am trying to stay sub-800cc.

I thought that the steps to watch out for when insuring bikes were 1,000cc and $30,000?

[James Deuce]

I thought that the steps to watch out for when insuring bikes were 1,000cc and $30,000?

Sub-800cc is 30% cheaper than over 800cc with my Insurance company. Please give me the benefit of the doubt that I have actually researched this carefully.

I am not a N00B

I have to try an allow for the fact that due to my first accident in 14 years I am going from 60% ncb to 30% ncb for all our vehicles.

[Hitcher]

Sub-800cc is 30% cheaper than over 800cc with my Insurance company. Please give me the benefit of the doubt that I have actually researched this carefully.

I am not a N00B
I was recalling a conversation I thought I once had with an insurance broker when purchasing a Zrex (how could I be so disloyal?). Dave from Kiwibike insurance in New Plymouth. But the old memory isn't what it once was...

[moko]

Couple more options Jim,someone already mentioned the YZF600,hopefully didnt get the "Thundercat" name Down Under which I`m sure cost it heaps of sales in the U.K.,who the **** wants something as sad as that written anywhere on their bike?Great bikes though,Fazer uses same motor and brakes and both are excellent.Another one to consider is the ZZR600,real un-sung hero that ,soldiers on in the shadow of the Ninjas while being an excellent bike and bloody quick as well despite having been around for years.Along with the GSX Suzis the press rate them for those looking for a good CBR alternative,both however are faster and better-handling than the GSX while usually being reasonably priced because everyone wants CBRs,sporty riding position as well without being radical.I still find it amazing that you didn`t get the Fazer given the massive sales in Europe.

[FROSTY]

Jim Ive got to agree with Moku on this one --I hopped from my race bike onto 6 Chris6 s zzr600 and it was a bloody dream to ride. Lotsa room -Neutral riding position and in the 2.5km circles i was riding around in at Taupo fantastic handling.
Putting it in prospective. I hopped off of my zxr400 onto it and it felt as tight to ride as my 400 --brakes were shite but thats a problem with that bike not generic.
Otherwise -I think either cyclespot or mt eden motorcycles have a vfr750 for sale at a good price.
Another thought --what about a slightly second hand SV650?
The naked is roomy to ride

[James Deuce]

Couple more options Jim,someone already mentioned the YZF600,hopefully didnt get the "Thundercat" name Down Under which I`m sure cost it heaps of sales in the U.K.,who the **** wants something as sad as that written anywhere on their bike?Great bikes though,Fazer uses same motor and brakes and both are excellent.Another one to consider is the ZZR600,real un-sung hero that ,soldiers on in the shadow of the Ninjas while being an excellent bike and bloody quick as well despite having been around for years.Along with the GSX Suzis the press rate them for those looking for a good CBR alternative,both however are faster and better-handling than the GSX while usually being reasonably priced because everyone wants CBRs,sporty riding position as well without being radical.I still find it amazing that you didn`t get the Fazer given the massive sales in Europe.

The only naked or semi-naked that has done any good here is the Bandit 1200/600, and that by dint of aggressive pricing from Suzuki NZ. Honda and Yamaha don't want to sell their product at Suzuki prices. Fair enough.

I really appreciate your thoughts Moko, keep the ideas coming.

I've tried ZZR600s in the past and can't get past the fact that every one I've tried has felt, well, loose. They just feel like every bushing and bearing needs a darn good going over.

The YZF 600 "Thundercat" would be great if there was more than about 4 in the country. Rare as hens teeth. There was an FZR600 with the YZF600 motor and YZF750 styling, that was produced at the same time, and there is one available in Christchurch, which I've asked Gav and Kickaha to check out for me.

I think I'm going to chill out a bit, get the old CBR roadworthy and wait 'til Summer's over. That way I can save a bit more money and probably find something at a better price.

[James Deuce]

Jim Ive got to agree with Moku on this one --I hopped from my race bike onto 6 Chris6 s zzr600 and it was a bloody dream to ride. Lotsa room -Neutral riding position and in the 2.5km circles i was riding around in at Taupo fantastic handling.
Putting it in prospective. I hopped off of my zxr400 onto it and it felt as tight to ride as my 400 --brakes were shite but thats a problem with that bike not generic.
Otherwise -I think either cyclespot or mt eden motorcycles have a vfr750 for sale at a good price.
Another thought --what about a slightly second hand SV650?
The naked is roomy to ride


See above for what I think of ZZR600s - I've tried 4 in the past, and they just ain't me. The feel, loose and baggy, and the rear suspension goes mushy before you get to the top of the Rimutakas. The two I've ridden up there that started out OK, but the rear end was banging like an old hooker by the time I got to Featherston.

The VFR800 at Mt Eden is waaaay too expensive, as are the VFRs at Cyclespot.

SV650's are also too expensive. Good ones are in the $9k and up range. Bad or indifferent ones are in the $8k range.

Thanks for the thoughts though Frosty.

[Kickaha]

Hey Kickaha, what time were you there? I got there just before 10 and they werent open, The YZF was there then, but when I went back around 2.30 ish, there was no sign of it, thought maybe you had been in and taken it for a test ride? I took out the silver VTR Trev has there, very nice. The YZF600 is quite tidy hes got, but too higher kms for want Jim2 wants (around 43000km I think)

Trev changed his hours over christmas so he doesn't have to get up early,I was there about an hour before you rode past on the VTR

[Kwaka-Kid]

what can i say?.. havnt owned a VFR750 (is it RC30? or the tourer model RC36 or whateveR?) but if they are half as good as the NC30's then hot didly dang get in there and buy it boy!

Fully 10 votes for the VFR man, they are awesome works of art, everything from inlet side to the fine built well routed exhaust.