Moderator personers

[dangerous]

... well its got me thinking, bloody decent people that become mod's
How come their online personas change? I have knowen several people that were just the average Jo KB members.. then became a mod... they changed and not for the beter.

The latest good guy I know that became a mod has IMHO taken it to far, ok maybe I dont know the full story... but either way I find it a shame that people do change when given some kinda power... do you guys agree, or find the same thing or am I being yet again a over sencitive blood nut thats knows shit?

[cowpoos]

Shit you get all deep when your drinking!! u wanna hug lil fella?

[James Deuce]

It's not the mystical "power" that engenders a change in online persona, it's the negative bleating, constant stream of whinging complaints, and sometimes outright nasty bullying that mods have to put up with.

Remember that the people doing this stuff to mods are often their riding buddies. Makes life awkward.

[Katman]

Just wait till I get my MOD badge. :msn-wink:

[dangerous]

Shit you get all deep when your drinking!! u wanna hug lil fella?

LMFAO... inside info huh, fuk up ya bloody wanker and one day... ohhh one day :rolleyes:


It's not the mystical "power" that engenders a change in online persona, it's the negative bleating, constant stream of whinging complaints, and sometimes outright nasty bullying that mods have to put up with.

Remember that the people doing this stuff to mods are often their riding buddies. Makes life awkward.

Na, thats bull shit Jim... what stirs me on once again :niceone: is a Mod infracting a member and warning another for going off topic when IMHO it was all on topic, christ I started the thead, its about a national gathering and the socialinsing that goes with it.. why should it just be about the race meet... fuk it I cant wait to meet the guys headed down for it.. if this mod has a problem, then its all his problem.

[dangerous]

actually Jim... i would have thought that it takes a complaint to get some one infractered, Im betting that no one complained about this thread and infact it was a mod throughing his own weight around (no pun intended) that decided it wasent his own opion.:mad:

[Virago]

...I have knowen several people that were just the average Jo KB members.. then became a mod... they changed and not for the beter...

If you have a problem with fellow KBers who become moderators, perhaps you should consider the possibility that the fault lies with your attitude and perception? Is that possible?


...The latest good guy I know that became a mod has IMHO taken it to far, ok maybe I dont know the full story...

Yet again you are going to grandstand over a trivial matter, doing your utmost to ostracise and alienate.

Chill out, D. :sunny:

[dangerous]

If you have a problem with fellow KBers who become moderators, perhaps you should consider the possibility that the fault lies with your attitude and perception? Is that possible?



Yet again you are going to grandstand over a trivial matter, doing your utmost to ostracise and alienate.

Chill out, D. :sunny:

You are a classic case.. I once realy enjoyed your company at rallys.. but since you became a mod.. I have never seen you at any bikers event... the net took over didnt it? IMHO... you would be beter off saying fuk it as a mod and rejoining ya 'old' mates at real bikers events.

[Virago]

You are a classic case.. I once realy enjoyed your company at rallys.. but since you became a mod...

Bingo.

It's a shame you can't see the real problem.

[dangerous]

Bingo.

It's a shame you can't see the real problem.

sorry.. please explain, if not here them p/m me... what on earth is KB's problem? or is it more your problem?

Disclaimer
Ok if this thread ends up in PD, then all I can say is the mod that sends it there looses the debate by not alowing the thread to continue

[Maha]

I was at a party a few weeks ago and there were three current mods there.
The way I see it is, if you slag them off they will slag back.
Shouldn't really talk about them as 'they'/'them' ...The moderators of the Forum do a pretty good job, I have had their help in recent times and whatever the problem is, its acted on reasonably quickly.
Things have toned down over the last year or so, moderating was becoming a bit of a farse and the way things were being done at times, was mind blowing. If its a personal issue with any of them, talk to the Mod concerned, if that doesn't work out, talk to MT, get it sorted, adult like.
I have no issues with any Moderator, some in the past yes, but no, not even the wee one from CH-CH.

[chanceyy]

wot you on about willis ?? :scratch: ..

[James Deuce]

Na, thats bull shit Jim...

I think someone should make this fella a moderator (maybe we could set up a special forum for the delusional) just so he can experience the 20 or 30 messages a day that you're supposed to deal with.

The infraction system isn't "complaint driven". It's rule driven and they're really simple rules that you have to agree to when you join up.

Fine print syndrome tends to take over and people got, "whatever" and tick the little box agreeing to the rules and that's when the complaint process starts.

"I didn't realise the rules were that strict."

"Oh, I don't read rules and this is the Internet, there are no rules."

"You guys take this too seriously, it's just a forum."

"I don't remember agreeing to abide by any rules."

Blah, blah, blah.

It's an endless parade of school playground excuses, except I've used the shift key occasionally and left out the 32 4 letter words usually used to communicate those feelings.

[dangerous]

I think someone should make this fella a moderator (maybe we could set up a special forum for the delusional) just so he can experience the 20 or 30 messages a day that you're supposed to deal with.


Na.. no way man, I know all about the 20+ messages mods get.. if they dont like it then pack it in, but no they dont cos they thrive on the power to be able to have the last say.

This thread was brought about by a mod thet infracted a couple of members cos he thought they wernt comming down or even involved with the thread... WRONG they are all in volved and infact comming down, even staying at my place... how wrong was the mod???

[Hitcher]

Three years ago I couldn't even spell moddaraita. And now I are one. Who'd have thunk it?

[dangerous]

Three years ago I couldn't even spell moddaraita. And now I are one. Who'd have thunk it?

Fuk ya Hitch.. I just spat out my best single malt whisky cos of that comment, you owe me :msn-wink:

[Number One]

FTR and Just quietly While it isn't the end of the world...it did strike me as a little OTT to be infracted.

To be honest I just thought wanker!! and then I got over it cos it's just an internet forum afterall. :laugh:

[James Deuce]

Na.. no way man, I know all about the 20+ messages mods get.. if they dont like it then pack it in, but no they dont cos they thrive on the power to be able to have the last say.



Ahh, talks the talk, but when it comes to the walk falls down the stairs.

What is this "power" and "last say" you speak of?

[Swoop]

Fuk ya Hitch.. I just spat out my best single malt whisky cos of that comment, you owe me :msn-wink:
Careful D... that could be construed as "being abusive to a Mod"...:rofl:

[Kickaha]

Ok if this thread ends up in PD, then all I can say is the mod that sends it there looses the debate by not alowing the thread to continue

It might have escaped your notice that you can actually post to threads and continue debates in PD


but no they dont cos they thrive on the power to be able to have the last say.

What about a moderator who edits and deletes posts because they don't like them? isn't that what you used to do before you were given the arse as a mod on NZSBF?, sounds like someone thriving on power and wanting the last say to me :finger:

[McJim]

I think what they're trying to say D is it's the other way round. Someone gets asked to be a mod, they accept and the next thing you know all their mates have a go at them making them go all defensive and that.

Next thing ya know everyone has changed and mates you had before are now really annoying little bastards so you don't wanna join them at rallies coz they'll be unkind.

I think that's what they're trying to say anyway.

What would I know? I'm just Scotch....

[Jiminy]

Why all this whining about the mods? They help the forum live.

For me, they're a bit like a referee: sometimes they make a mistake, but without them, there would be no game. And I have yet to see a player or trainer who doesn't do any mistake, especially those who bitch about the referee. A bit the same here, really.

[Kittyhawk]

:devil2:go mod yaselfs.... at the end of the day you dont get modded on the road unless ya snapped by a plod

i personally have no issues with mods, at the end of the day its about the biking and socialising offline for me.

[scumdog]

Dangerous for mod...Dangerous for mod....Dangerous for mod.....vote Dangerous for mod...:whistle:

[dangerous]

It might have escaped your notice that you can actually post to threads and continue debates in PD



What about a moderator who edits and deletes posts because they don't like them? isn't that what you used to do before you were given the arse as a mod on NZSBF?, sounds like someone thriving on power and wanting the last say to me :finger:

yeah but I dont do PD

and BINGO you got it in one.

Scumdog... dont do it man dont do it to me :2thumbsup

The thread wasnt about wasting mods but how they "can" jump to conclusions and make needless actions against a perfectly good posts with out talking it over with the person 1st.

I appreciate a warning 1st and a chance to explain my self before being bemt over and smaked with the wooden spoon.
in this case it was two people deeply involved with the BOB meet in chch the mod told me (cant quote cos its in a p/m and that would be bad) that they wernt racing in the event so they basicly didnt need to post... well one is racing and the other has organised their partner to race aswell...

nuff from me or the warnings will start pilling in :apint:

[Rashika]

y

I appreciate a warning 1st and a chance to explain my self before being bemt over and smaked with the wooden spoon.
in this case it was two people deeply involved with the BOB meet in chch the mod told me (cant quote cos its in a p/m and that would be bad) that they wernt racing in the event so they basicly didnt need to post... well one is racing and the other has organised their partner to race aswell...

nuff from me or the warnings will start pilling in :apint:

so from that comment i guess that anyone who doesn't have a direct involvement in the thread subject is not allowed to post in the thread?
How ridiculas... especially if the whole idea is to get people involved. Sorry but in this case it really is a bit OTT. Why did the MOD feel he had to infract one member and warn another over something they both were quite involved in?
Gee BOB is gonna be a bunch of laughs with people already a bit pissed off with a local mod/racer.

[Number One]

so from that comment i guess that anyone who doesn't have a direct involvement in the thread subject is not allowed to post in the thread?
How ridiculas... especially if the whole idea is to get people involved. Sorry but in this case it really is a bit OTT. Why did the MOD feel he had to infract one member and warn another over something they both were quite involved in?
Gee BOB is gonna be a bunch of laughs with people already a bit pissed off with a local mod/racer.
The BOB WILL BE AWESOME! The Welly crowd are fab people and you CHCH guys sound like top people too. I just know you will look after my Sully really well and I know he is gonna have a great time and will come back full of good yarns after meeting and hanging out with you all.

Admittedly the situation that caused this thread WAS related to the racing itself and while I won't be racing down there I am in charge of ensuring Sully does through the wise co-ordination of the wonderfully generous sponsorship donations from our friends. The situation in question was me giving all the other racers a hard time telling them to keep their hands off my 'other better half' while she down there, which sparked the invevitable threesome dream in her hubby....so yes actually it did all come about as part of the discussions around the racing but to someone on the outside looking in, it might've looked terribly off topic.

Again I don't think it's a huge issue and as I did say earlier I thought it was overkill on the mods part to 'infract' but again as someone else has said about referees 'they don't always get everything right'.

I also agree with Rashika and Dangerous and others - this thread was as much about the racing as it was about all the groups getting to know each other a little before they all get together...part of the magic of KB if you ask me - the fact that you can build up some familiarity and rapport with people before you have to stand face to face...certainly helps those first couple of minutes be less awkward...but hey what would I know?! If the thread is only for the racers to talk racing then there must be a need for another thread so we can all talk shit about the weekend that all the racers will be racing...actually no fark that! I am involved but can't make it down...I really value that people have been as sweet and inclusive of me as they have of Sully and it is the way that I feel like I am connected to the event even though I will be house sitting for one set of racers and wondering about my own man....

Right Rant over time for a shower...must go to work today.....ewwww

[Grahameeboy]

... well its got me thinking, bloody decent people that become mod's
How come their online personas change? I have knowen several people that were just the average Jo KB members.. then became a mod... they changed and not for the beter.

The latest good guy I know that became a mod has IMHO taken it to far, ok maybe I dont know the full story... but either way I find it a shame that people do change when given some kinda power... do you guys agree, or find the same thing or am I being yet again a over sencitive blood nut thats knows shit?

It may not be them, it may just be that you anaylise them more...if that makes sense.....

[Grahameeboy]

Dangerous for mod...Dangerous for mod....Dangerous for mod.....vote Dangerous for mod...:whistle:

Dangerous and Mod just don't seem to go do they....bit like Scumdog for Chief Constable...:innocent:

[merv]

Dangerous and Mod just don't seem to go do they....bit like Scumdog for Chief Constable...:innocent:

What would be wrong with Police Commissioner Scumdog?

As for this thread all can say is geez in relation to what happened on the other thread.

[nodrog]

bad boys, bad boys, what chu gunna do.....

[Mikkel]

The thread wasnt about wasting mods but how they "can" jump to conclusions and make needless actions against a perfectly good posts with out talking it over with the person 1st.

I appreciate a warning 1st and a chance to explain my self before being bemt over and smaked with the wooden spoon.
in this case it was two people deeply involved with the BOB meet in chch the mod told me (cant quote cos its in a p/m and that would be bad) that they wernt racing in the event so they basicly didnt need to post... well one is racing and the other has organised their partner to race aswell...

Let's just start out by saying that the mods are just other forum members, they are human, they are not infallible. Sometimes you make good calls other times you make bad calls. Personally I think the mods are making more good calls than bad calls - generally. That doesn't mean that they can't slip every now and again - and moderation is a slippery slope indeed.

The mods do a job - and an unpaid and ungrateful one at that... I wouldn't want to do it, but it has to be done though, so good on them for signing up (be it for the right reasons, mind)!

It has been stated over and over, again and again, that if you have an issue with a moderator - it being an action or general conduct - you should write a PM to either the moderator in question, a senior moderator or the admin team about it.

As for moderators on a power-trip... :rofl: That would be a fucking laugh now wouldn't it.
'OMG WTF Pheer my E-peenor, i manipultaes teh onez and zeroz! lolzorz...'

[Joni]

So what is the purpose of this thread? To find the answer to the question asked? Or to just grand stand and take a few shots at the latest moderator who does not agree with you and your ideals dangerous?

I presume the latter, however will be a sucker and step up and say you have already got your answer Dangerous, but it did not suit your agenda:

It's not the mystical "power" that engenders a change in online persona, it's the negative bleating, constant stream of whinging complaints, and sometimes outright nasty bullying that mods have to put up with Spot on Jim, pity the answer was not comprehended.


It's a shame you can't see the real problem.He will never see the real problem. I agree it is very sad.

No where did the Mod in question say “Anyone who is not involved in the BOB cannot post here.” All he asked was that the thread stays on topic and that is his right as a mod of this site and in accordance with the site rules...

Now off you go little man... get back on your box, stomp your foot some more, scream a little louder... I’m sure someone on KB has not yet been hit by the toys flying out your cot, and Im sure the anti mod brigade will stroke that already large ego of yours and make you feel better very soon!

edit: oh sorry I forgot the vital wink that makes everything you say ok ;)

[Trudes]

Geezus!! Think I'll stay home, you Southerners sound like you all eat other people's young for breakfast!! (Nah, j/k, my team needs its "blocker")

[jrandom]

:corn:<tencharacters>

[Joni]

:corn:<tencharacters>You snack too much babe :msn-wink:

[jrandom]

You snack too much babe :msn-wink:

It's Racing Popcorn.

:yes:

[Kendog]

How could my post have been off topic?

I am racing at the BOB, I was dreaming of a threesome with one of the other BOB racers and I posted a picture of a girl on a motorbike (possibly a bucket)

Oh well.

[scumdog]

It's Racing Popcorn.

:yes:


Is it hard to race? and is there a class for noobies??:wari::wacko:

AND most important of all, will the mods approve of racing popcorn???:whistle:

[ManDownUnder]

It's like becoming a cop.... suddenly you need to look at, obey and enforce the guidelines rather than wonder where they are and see what you can get away with.

Obvious innit?

JR - racing popcorn got MSG in it?

[Toaster]

Um... what does IMHO mean? I have no idea what half these abbreviations mean.

I have no idea how an iPod works either.

[Storm]

In My Humble Opinion

[Mikkel]

In My Humble Opinion

Or - In My Honest Opinion. There are heaps of other meanings, but those two are the most common.

Anyway, google is always your friend in these matters. :)


TBH - To Be Honest
TBQH - To Be Quite Honest
TBQFH - ...

[Ixion]

in this case it was two people deeply involved with the BOB meet in chch the mod told me (cant quote cos its in a p/m and that would be bad) that they wernt racing in the event so they basicly didnt need to post... well one is racing and the other has organised their partner to race aswell...





The infraction system isn't "complaint driven". It's rule driven and they're really simple rules that you have to agree to when you join up.


So, where then is there reference to this rule (it's a new one as far as I know) that says that anyone who is not actively participating in a racing event is prohibited from posting in a thread about it,and will be infracted for doing so ?

Bit like the cops really isn't it. They sometimes invent rules on the roadside, too.

Power corrupts.

[Joni]

Welcome Ixion, that did not take you long...

The moderator in question asked for the thread to be kept on topic, and you know as well as I do there is a rule for that:

User Infractions allow mods to insure yellow/red cards to users.
Snip.....
Infraction Types:
Taking thread off topic
It’s a thread about a race meeting.... not anything else, he asked it stay that way... or he could just as easily moved the entire thread to rant and rave and let them talk about anything they want?

Nothing wrong with a bit of chit chat, but the mod was doing his best to ensure the people who want to read through the BOB thread does not have to also read through pages of other irrelevant stuff as well. He did his level best... good on him for trying...

[Ixion]

Which begs the point that even those with no intention of attending the meeting in question might have valid and on topic comment

"mod told me (cant quote cos its in a p/m and that would be bad) that they wernt racing in the event so they basicly didnt need to post."

[Joni]

Which begs the point that even those with no intention of attending the meeting in question might have valid and on topic comment

"mod told me (cant quote cos its in a p/m and that would be bad) that they wernt racing in the event so they basicly didnt need to post."Straight up Ixion, yes in most circumstances you would be 100% correct...

But the user in question has misconstrued many messages/conversations in the past, so pm content cannot be taken at face value from him.

You should know better than to only take one side of the story and make a decision... unless you are just looking at the grand standing side of things, like some so often do?

[Swoop]

...that says that anyone who is not actively participating in a racing event is prohibited from posting in a thread about it,and will be infracted for doing so ?
I am quite impressed with the very subtle method of moving a thread into a different area (with different rules, naturally) and then another mod goes through the thread and hands out infringements for off-topic posts.

Quite clever really.

[Forest]

I have my own theories. The following article is a good place to start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

I have to say though, that the moderation here is (thankfully) more restrained than some other sites I belong to.

[The Lone Rider]

I have my own theories. The following article is a good place to start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

I have to say though, that the moderation here is (thankfully) more restrained than some other sites I belong to.
I don't think deindividuation has much to do with moderation on a internet forum.

Considering a lot of people treat online forums like they can say whatever they like without consequences, you'd be hard pressed to find people falling into roles such as prisoner and prison guard.

[Joni]

For the record... I am backing Gav blindly, I have no idea what he said in the pm and don’t really care, because I know he is doing his very best, and that is all I would ever ask of any moderator. I know what it’s like to have things twisted and turned to meet someone else’s agenda....Mods give up their personal time to try and keep this site running as well as possible. They don’t deserve to be bullied, bashed, threatened etc...

I woke up one day and realised I had become an angry, unhappy person due to all of the abuse I faced... and have had to work hard to get the old Jo back...

For the record: Thank you to all the mods who had the courage to keep doing it, even when I could not anymore, especially Hitcher, who has now been doing it as long as I was.

[Kickaha]

You snack too much babe :msn-wink:

And it shows:rolleyes:

[SPman]

:corn::corn: :rofl::rofl:

:shake:

:drinkup:

[dangerous]

He will never see the real problem. I agree it is very sad.

No where did the Mod in question say “Anyone who is not involved in the BOB cannot post here.” All he asked was that the thread stays on topic and that is his right as a mod of this site and in accordance with the site rules...
... Then please explain what the "REAL PROBLEM" is?
The thread was very VERY... on topic, can a group of friends not have a thread of there own to discuss a w/e racing and the FRIENDLY banter that goes with it? this isent a arpatheid country or forum.



So what is the purpose of this thread? To find the answer to the question asked? Or to just grand stand and take a few shots at the latest moderator who does not agree with you and your ideals dangerous?
Well I believe in standing up for ones self... its a right we all have, this IS NOT SA


You snack too much babe :msn-wink:
You crawling for friends again?


The moderator in question asked for the thread to be kept on topic, and you know as well as I do there is a rule for that
Again... the Mods own opion vrsus, ohhh thousands I spose, he did cos he could cos he has the power.


The moderator in question asked for the thread to be kept on topic, and you know as well as I do there is a rule for that
Because in his OWN PERSONAL opion he thought it was off topic... maybe I should ask him if there was just one single complaint, if so then maybe he had a job to do.




Now off you go little man... get back on your box, stomp your foot some more, scream a little louder... I’m sure someone on KB has not yet been hit by the toys flying out your cot, and Im sure the anti mod brigade will stroke that already large ego of yours and make you feel better very soon!

edit: oh sorry I forgot the vital wink that makes everything you say ok ;)

LMFAO... Joni sweet heart... That could be considered ABUSE did no one ever tell you sarcasm is the lowest form of wit

... sorry no wink from me

[merv]

I've said it before many a time, why the frig does anyone get upset if something goes slightly off topic anyway, that always happens in normal conversations so why do we have rules that try to make this an abnormal and oh so perfect world? - sheesh :Playnice: :rolleyes:

[98tls]

I've said it before many a time, why the frig does anyone get upset if something goes slightly off topic anyway, that always happens in normal conversations so why do we have rules that try to make this an abnormal and oh so perfect world? - sheesh :Playnice: :rolleyes: :Oi:This is the interweb Merv,commonsense goes out the window and if need be the rest of the world can be made to pay the price of an over dominant father or even the price paid for having buck teeth and glasses in the 3rd form.:rolleyes:

[Ixion]

So who decides what is , or is not, 'on topic'? Surely the person who started the thread is the one best qualified to know what the topic of his thread was intended to be?

[gav]

Yeah well, it was me, for the record it was the first infraction I've handed out and basically I cocked it up, it was meant to be a warning, oh well, shit happens ..... get over it.
I asked for the thread to be kept on topic, and it was ignored.
You could easily start another thread for the banter and bs
Dangerous, if you are going to quote me, get it right, you said both people were coming down, I mentioned that I didnt think one of the posters was coming and think I am still correct in that regard. I never said they couldnt post!? If we had your way, Dangerous we would only need one thread titled Buckets as "ïts all bucket and bucket peeps" as you said. Clearly thats not workable, is it. Pull your head in and stop shit stirring, as it only seems to be you that has a problem.
You started the thread, but I got the bucket forum started and have modded it since the beginning, has it really been that badly handled? If you don't like it Dangerous, move along ......

[Joni]

Aaaw come on D… its all done in jest (isn’t that what you have always told me when you are being a cock?)

Besides, surely you can do better than that post? You have been way more abusive and way more nasty to me before… come on, go for it, show people your true colours some more.

Ta ta lovey… :rofl:

[dangerous]

So who decides what is , or is not, 'on topic'? Surely the person who started the thread is the one best qualified to know what the topic of his thread was intended to be?
That was me.. and I am perfectly happy with all the on goings on that thread, its 100% bucket racers and their buckets. :scooter:

[idleidolidyll]

the site owner set the benchmark by declaring this place a dictatorship where it doesn't matter a damn what the actual rules are supposed to be

yes, the mods act like petty dictators too following the precedent set by the owner and management

[boomer]

Straight up Ixion, yes in most circumstances you would be 100% correct...

But the user in question has misconstrued many messages/conversations in the past, so pm content cannot be taken at face value from him.

You should know better than to only take one side of the story and make a decision... unless you are just looking at the grand standing side of things, like some so often do?


For the record... I am backing Gav blindly, I have no idea what he said in the pm and don’t really care, because I know he is doing his very best, and that is all I would ever ask of any moderator. I know what it’s like to have things twisted and turned to meet someone else’s agenda....Mods give up their personal time to try and keep this site running as well as possible. They don’t deserve to be bullied, bashed, threatened etc...

I woke up one day and realised I had become an angry, unhappy person due to all of the abuse I faced... and have had to work hard to get the old Jo back...

For the record: Thank you to all the mods who had the courage to keep doing it, even when I could not anymore, especially Hitcher, who has now been doing it as long as I was.



Aaaw come on D… its all done in jest (isn’t that what you have always told me when you are being a cock?)

Besides, surely you can do better than that post? You have been way more abusive and way more nasty to me before… come on, go for it, show people your true colours some more.

Ta ta lovey… :rofl:




You need to try harder; to be a nice person that is... 'cos the above is anything but!


I'll join you on your orange box.. move over and watch you don't step on Kickahaaaahahahhahahahahhaa when you do!!!!



:girlfight:

[idleidolidyll]

If you have a problem with fellow KBers who become moderators, perhaps you should consider the possibility that the fault lies with your attitude and perception? Is that possible?

everything's possible but in this discussion it's more likely that dangerous has spotted the truth through the bullshit.
i've had many experiences where moderators treated me differently from other members and didn't actually pay attention to the supposed rules



Yet again you are going to grandstand over a trivial matter, doing your utmost to ostracise and alienate.

Chill out, D. :sunny:

it's not trivial: the mods and ownership set the standard. If that standard is disregard for the posted rules and partisan bullshit because they don't like someone; we should expect the board to be an angry place where people are treated unfairly and unequally...........and it is

[idleidolidyll]

I think someone should make this fella a moderator (maybe we could set up a special forum for the delusional) just so he can experience the 20 or 30 messages a day that you're supposed to deal with.

The infraction system isn't "complaint driven". It's rule driven and they're really simple rules that you have to agree to when you join up.

Fine print syndrome tends to take over and people got, "whatever" and tick the little box agreeing to the rules and that's when the complaint process starts.

"I didn't realise the rules were that strict."

"Oh, I don't read rules and this is the Internet, there are no rules."

"You guys take this too seriously, it's just a forum."

"I don't remember agreeing to abide by any rules."

Blah, blah, blah.

It's an endless parade of school playground excuses, except I've used the shift key occasionally and left out the 32 4 letter words usually used to communicate those feelings.

rubbish jim; i have first hand experience of just how un-rule driven this place is.
moderators drive it with pettiness and partisan support of their own views rather than in light of the actual rules.

maybe not every time but so much that the precedents are set

[Joni]

Aah the thread is now almost complete, welcome idleidolidyll nice to have you here. :clap:

[gav]

That was me.. and I am perfectly happy with all the on goings on that thread, its 100% bucket racers and their buckets. :scooter:
Right, so we don't need a Bucket forum then, just one thread will be sufficient ..... :doh:

[dangerous]

Yeah well, it was me, for the record it was the first infraction I've handed out and basically I cocked it up, it was meant to be a warning, oh well, shit happens ..... get over it.
I asked for the thread to be kept on topic, and it was ignored.
You could easily start another thread for the banter and bs
Dangerous, if you are going to quote me, get it right, you said both people were coming down, I mentioned that I didnt think one of the posters was coming and think I am still correct in that regard. I never said they couldnt post!? If we had your way, Dangerous we would only need one thread titled Buckets as "ïts all bucket and bucket peeps" as you said. Clearly thats not workable, is it. Pull your head in and stop shit stirring, as it only seems to be you that has a problem.
You started the thread, but I got the bucket forum started and have modded it since the beginning, has it really been that badly handled? If you don't like it Dangerous, move along ......

Hi Gav, this thread was not started as a direct blow at you but most mods I have knowen well... if it was I would have mentioned ya name and that I have not.
Top man for admiting you cocked up, correct to, one on the infracted is not actually comming down (I had made the offer to her) but has put a massive effort into getting hubbie down for the meet, with out her input we would be another racer downbefore we started.
Did anyone complain about the posts being off topic... or was it your personal feeling?


Aaaw come on D… its all done in jest (isn’t that what you have always told me when you are being a cock?)

Besides, surely you can do better than that post? You have been way more abusive and way more nasty to me before… come on, go for it, show people your true colours some more.

Ta ta lovey… :rofl:

More 'sarcasm' there Jo, Im not out to abuse you or anyone... you asked for my reply by posting what you did, it doesnt bother me one bit or I would complain to a mod about your post.
Boomer summed it up well above...

[dangerous]

Right, so we don't need a Bucket forum then, just one thread will be sufficient ..... :doh:

it is ALL related to the BATTLE OF THE BUCKETS... not buckets in general.


Aah the thread is now almost complete, welcome idleidolidyll nice to have you here. :clap: still with the sarcasm

[idleidolidyll]

Aah the thread is now almost complete, welcome idleidolidyll nice to have you here. :clap:

you're welcome joni

how could i not come here having been told by a moderator that he and other moderators were 'out to get you'?

yes, i've seen moderator bullshit first hand

[skidMark]

... well its got me thinking, bloody decent people that become mod's
How come their online personas change? I have knowen several people that were just the average Jo KB members.. then became a mod... they changed and not for the beter.

The latest good guy I know that became a mod has IMHO taken it to far, ok maybe I dont know the full story... but either way I find it a shame that people do change when given some kinda power... do you guys agree, or find the same thing or am I being yet again a over sencitive blood nut thats knows shit?

Power corrupts.:banana:

[nodrog]

cant everybody just have a fuckin cuddle and get over it?

[dangerous]

cant everybody just have a fuckin cuddle and get over it?

Then we would not have anything to do... lets face if we did we wouldnt be pissing around here, if you want a cuddle... come here big boy :shifty:

[MIXONE]

Ever hear a Billy Connelly joke?They start on a topic ,move all over the place and eventually end up at the punch line.Very funny and entertaining and IMNO far better then a three line funny off the net!As long as you get there in the end :whocares:

[98tls]

cant everybody just have a fuckin cuddle and get over it? :shit:fuck that,you ever cuddled a Ginga:shit:there covered in funny spots.

[gav]

it is ALL related to the BATTLE OF THE BUCKETS... not buckets in general.

still with the sarcasm

Well these are the two "offending" posts
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1578109&postcount=223

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1578150&postcount=224

Sorry, but I couldn't see the relevance to a thread about the TT, yeah and it was my call, thats why I get paid the big bucks as a Moderator! :clap:

[idleidolidyll]

still with the sarcasm

yep, it seems the moderators don't actually understand the term 'personal attack'

they seem to think you have to actually say "you're a fucking cunt nijo" before its actually a personal attack.

i've directed them to a website where they could take lessons but it seems i wasted my time trying to educate

here it is again: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

[dangerous]

Well these are the two "offending" posts
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1578109&postcount=223

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1578150&postcount=224

Sorry, but I couldn't see the relevance to a thread about the TT, yeah and it was my call, thats why I get paid the big bucks as a Moderator! :clap:
meh............ just general banter Gav its what enjoying life should be about, had there been complants due to them being ofending posts then i wouldnt have a problem with ya doinings.

[Kickaha]

:shit:fuck that,you ever cuddled a Ginga:shit:there covered in funny spots.

I wouldn't risk it, it might be catching

[gav]

meh............ just general banter Gav its what enjoying life should be about, had there been complants due to them being ofending posts then i wouldnt have a problem with ya doinings.
Actually it was your post that got a complaint ........ :rolleyes: :devil2:

[Mom]

yes, i've seen moderator bullshit first hand

You forgot to wink :msn-wink: sheesh man!

[Slingshot]

OK...Which moderator is going to stand up and dish out the infractions for the following members...these quotes don't appear to be "on topic":


You snack too much babe :msn-wink:

It's Racing Popcorn.

:yes:

Um... what does IMHO mean? I have no idea what half these abbreviations mean.

I have no idea how an iPod works either.

In My Humble Opinion

Or - In My Honest Opinion. There are heaps of other meanings, but those two are the most common.

Anyway, google is always your friend in these matters. :)


TBH - To Be Honest
TBQH - To Be Quite Honest
TBQFH - ...

And it shows:rolleyes:

:corn::corn: :rofl::rofl:

:shake:

:drinkup:

cant everybody just have a fuckin cuddle and get over it?


Aah the thread is now almost complete, welcome idleidolidyll nice to have you here.


Gav, the bucket forum used to be one thread...remember. I think it worked bloody well like that. Members would debate the topic of the moment and then something else would come up and we'd move on. Moving to a formal bucket forum seems to have killed some of the conversational banter of the old bucket thread. I have to say, I preferred that thread.


If we had your way, Dangerous we would only need one thread titled Buckets as "ïts all bucket and bucket peeps" as you said. Clearly thats not workable, is it.



Right, so we don't need a Bucket forum then, just one thread will be sufficient .....

[gav]

Ivans' thread was moved to the Bucket forum, you're more than welcome to reignite it!
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=470219#post470219

[Slingshot]

Ivans' thread was moved to the Bucket forum, you're more than welcome to reignite it!
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?p=470219#post470219

I'm well aware that that post is there...I'd just hate to be infracted for off-topic posting.

Hell, I'm surprised that infractions haven't been dished out retrospectively.


On a side note...I do think the Mods generally do an excellent job.

Gav, respect to you for admitting that you got it wrong (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1579979&postcount=58):niceone:

[idleidolidyll]

You forgot to wink :msn-wink: sheesh man!

no i didn't

if there was a brown eye smiley i might have used that one though

[Maha]

cant everybody just have a fuckin cuddle and get over it?

And why the hell aint you a Moderator?...with a remark like that I can imagine most on here having a warm cup of milk while lounging in thier idyllic knitted slippers (closes eyes and thinks)....:sleep:

[Headbanger]

For everyone.

[merv]

So why take the fun out of a thread anyway just to make it textbook perfectly on-topic? Me, I prefer seeing a bit of humour thrown in to conversation and would love to see that on this site too and none of this "let's stifle people's personalities" while we're at it approach be-jesus :girlfight:

[skidMark]

cant everybody just have a fuckin cuddle and get over it?


It's about time u asked me, cm're big feller.

You sure gots a mighty purdy mouf.

[skidMark]

Then we would not have anything to do... lets face if we did we wouldnt be pissing around here, if you want a cuddle... come here big boy :shifty:


Awww u beat me to him

Halfzis?:eek:

[AllanB]

Originally Posted by gav
Well these are the two "offending" posts
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...&postcount=223

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...&postcount=224

WTF - someone complained about those posts?

That's just the type of shit I post everywhere :crazy:

Hmmm must be winter coming on - over the years on lots of different bike sites I've noticed that the crap usually happens as the weather turns crap. On one USA site the cops got involved as there were death threats :dodge:

[nodrog]

And why the hell aint you a Moderator?...

_______________

[nodrog]

It's about time u asked me, cm're big feller.

You sure gots a mighty purdy mouf.

its all good bro, i got a whole container of toothpicks here, thanks anyway :love:

[skidMark]

WTF - someone complained about those posts?

That's just the type of shit I post everywhere :crazy:

Hmmm must be winter coming on - over the years on lots of different bike sites I've noticed that the crap usually happens as the weather turns crap. On one USA site the cops got involved as there were death threats :dodge:
Ive had heaps of death threats on KB, they gotta learn to ride fast enough to catch me first.:eek:

[skidMark]

its all good bro, i got a whole container of toothpicks here, thanks anyway :love:


I bet you do. lol **plays banjo** run outta wheat to chew?

[Usarka]

You sure gots a mighty purdy mouf.

Crap he's been in the south island for two weeks and look whats happened...... :lol:

[nodrog]

I bet you do. lol **plays banjo** run outta wheat to chew?

um, arent you the one living in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, getting the ho down on the farm?

written of the hay wagon yet?

[dangerous]

WTF - someone complained about those posts?



NO... thats just the point The *Mod took it up on himself to warn, complain to self and infract.

* in mods defence I belive in this case he relises it was a mistake

[scumdog]

the site owner set the benchmark by declaring this place a dictatorship where it doesn't matter a damn what the actual rules are supposed to be

yes, the mods act like petty dictators too following the precedent set by the owner and management


Meh, never had a problem with the 'dictatorship - or any mod for that matter.

I guess those that DO find the dictatorship too much they could alway find another site - or start their own??;)

[DingoZ]

:shit:fuck that,you ever cuddled a Ginga:shit:there covered in funny spots. Am not........Quick check.....Fuck yes I am....:)


I wouldn't risk it, it might be catching

Must be cause I caught it.....:)

[Forest]

I don't think deindividuation has much to do with moderation on a internet forum.

Considering a lot of people treat online forums like they can say whatever they like without consequences, you'd be hard pressed to find people falling into roles such as prisoner and prison guard.

What the Stanford Prison Experiment shows is that when you put a badge onto an ordinary person, it changes everything.

Should think the parallels to moderation are obvious :)

BTW the moderation here seems much better than other sites I belong to.

[The Lone Rider]

What the Stanford Prison Experiment shows is that when you put a badge onto an ordinary person, it changes everything.

Should think the parallels to moderation are obvious :)

BTW the moderation here seems much better than other sites I belong to.

It wasn't just a badge they were or weren't given. The subjects in the stanford experiment weren't just told you are prisoner and you are guard. They were given outlines on how they were to "work", ie.. you are not allowed to let the prisoners do this or do that. It was the carry over, if you will, that was the interesting find - that roles became an exaggeration of the primary outlines they were given. And new sub culture behaviour arose.

Here, mods are made mods and told to look out for anyone causing problems - and here's some general rules (less stringent that what the guards in the experiment were instructed). Users are told to behave or be moderated. There's no developed sub-culture where they become exceptionally cruel and create "hazing" practices. At most you can say they have become cynical and a bit bored with the same complaints they probably get everyday.

[Hitcher]

At most you can say they have become cynical and a bit bored with the same complaints they probably get everyday.

Cynical and bored? Heaven forbid! I delight in all manifestations of inanity and abuse of language, literary convention and of Moderators themselves.

If it wasn't for a small bunch of up-themselves-small-penises who take themselves and their utterances too seriously, life as a Moderator would be blissful. Particularly for those of us who are also UTSPs who take ourselves and our utterances far too seriously.

[avgas]

Just wait till I get my MOD badge. :msn-wink:
I have a FORD THAMES BADGE at home if you want.

[SPman]

And why the hell aint you a Moderator?...with a remark like that I can imagine most on here having a warm cup of milk while lounging in thier idyllic knitted slippers (closes eyes and thinks)....:sleep:

Aaaaaahhh - -like waaaaaay back in the mists of time when the site was new and novel.......

Now, where did I put those slippers and the Horlicks packet........

:corn:

...and the rose tinted glasses.........

[Maha]

Aaaaaahhh - -like waaaaaay back in the mists of time when the site was new and novel.......

Now, where did I put those slippers and the Horlicks packet........

:corn:

Memory loss as well?.... I guess John, thats what becomes of a man when spiking Horlicks with tooooooo much Whiskey....

[Katman]

I have a FORD THAMES BADGE at home if you want.

Nah, thanks anyway. I think I still have my Hall Monitor badge somewhere.

[idleidolidyll]

Meh, never had a problem with the 'dictatorship - or any mod for that matter.

I guess those that DO find the dictatorship too much they could alway find another site - or start their own??;)

those who suck up, toe the line, kiss arse or generally toe the same fascist line the dictators here proffer don't suffer their wrath: you're right

[idleidolidyll]

If it wasn't for a small bunch of up-themselves-small-penises who take themselves and their utterances too seriously

you shouldn't abuse the moderators like that; they'll get all bitchy again

[inlinefour]

Well this place really hasnt changed stuff all has it?

I can no longer ride a motorcycle anymore, why are some of you on the rags as well?

Well done Joni, stirring it up again when the wise thing would have been to leave it alone.

Do I get an infraction for this post now or has the storm in the tea cup blown out by now.

Oh and respect to Gav for publicly admitting the blunder, something others could learn from too.


:whocares:

[Kickaha]

I think I still have my Hall Monitor badge somewhere.

Sorry, that makes you over qualified


Well this place really hasnt changed stuff all has it?

nope still the same old whinging bullshit, got me fucked why they're still here if it's that bad ;)


Well done Joni, stirring it up again when the wise thing would have been to leave it alone.

That's fucking good coming from someone who was one of the sites top shit stirrers in the past :lol:


Oh and respect to Gav for publicly admitting the blunder, something others could learn from too.

They get it right a lot more than they get it wrong but of course no one bothers posting when that happens

[dangerous]

Well done Joni, stirring it up again when the wise thing would have been to leave it alone.

That's fucking good coming from someone who was one of the sites top shit stirrers in the past

Takes one to know one :apint:







nope still the same old whinging bullshit, got me fucked why they're still here if it's that bad ;)

WHAT... you are still here, and posting? you love it

[inlinefour]

nope still the same old whinging bullshit, got me fucked why they're still here if it's that bad ;)



That's fucking good coming from someone who was one of the sites top shit stirrers in the past :lol:



They get it right a lot more than they get it wrong but of course no one bothers posting when that happens

Well I agree, I don't understand it either, but I also don't care.

Your right I was, therefore I can also see when someone else is too.

I was talking about some of the posters on this thread. Was not a dig in just the mods direction.

[Hitcher]

you shouldn't abuse the moderators like that; they'll get all bitchy again

Read my post again. Then look up self-deprecating.

[scumdog]

those who suck up, toe the line, kiss arse or generally toe the same fascist line the dictators here proffer don't suffer their wrath: you're right

Gee, I wonder if KB could EVER be good enought to suit you???









Without you actually running it yourself.

In which case I would suggest you leave this site to the 'suck up, toe the line, kiss arse toeing the same fascist lines of the dictator' types and find one to your tastes.

[idleidolidyll]

Gee, I wonder if KB could EVER be good enought to suit you???

Without you actually running it yourself.

In which case I would suggest you leave this site to the 'suck up, toe the line, kiss arse toeing the same fascist lines of the dictator' types and find one to your tastes.

No thanks, I have way too much fun with the fascists and losers amongst members here

i'm sure you'd love me to leave though; i'm just too hard for you to handle

[merv]

So this thread is still raging. Why don't the mods just kick back a bit, grab a beer, put their feet up and relax and leave the goddam threads alone? They will run their own course anyway so why do we need people moderating? That I have never understood, because we only end up complaining when posts get moved and it all just seems so unnecessary and as I've said many a time, if we are talking face to face no-one gets banished and told to go and sit at another table just because their comment is off-topic for chrissake. Let people be who they are and if we don't like it we stay off that thread surely :whistle:.

[idleidolidyll]

So this thread is still raging. Why don't the mods just kick back a bit, grab a beer, put their feet up and relax and leave the goddam threads alone? They will run their own course anyway so why do we need people moderating? That I have never understood, because we only end up complaining when posts get moved and it all just seems so unnecessary and as I've said many a time, if we are talking face to face no-one gets banished and told to go and sit at another table just because their comment is off-topic for chrissake. Let people be who they are and if we don't like it we stay off that thread surely :whistle:.

well said merv, they should either moderate fairly and impartially or just leave it alone

[MIXONE]

:corn::rofl::corn:

[Firefight]

So this thread is still raging. Why don't the mods just kick back a bit, grab a beer, put their feet up and relax and leave the goddam threads alone? They will run their own course anyway so why do we need people moderating? That I have never understood, because we only end up complaining when posts get moved and it all just seems so unnecessary and as I've said many a time, if we are talking face to face no-one gets banished and told to go and sit at another table just because their comment is off-topic for chrissake. Let people be who they are and if we don't like it we stay off that thread surely :whistle:.


thanks Merv,

well said, totally agree

rep earned


F/F

[Owl]

Three years ago I couldn't even spell moddaraita. And now I are one. Who'd have thunk it?

And there you go again Hitcher, using "and" at the beginning of a sentence.:msn-wink:

[scumdog]

No thanks, I have way too much fun with the fascists and losers amongst members here

i'm sure you'd love me to leave though; i'm just too hard for you to handle



Now THERE'S frikkin big ego - (or some form of troll??)

Leave/stay? - I don't give a fat rats arse.



BTW: The state of your penis hold no interest to me, regardless how you came to be 'too hard'..

[SPman]

So this thread is still raging. Why don't the mods just kick back a bit, grab a beer, put their feet up and relax and leave the goddam threads alone? They will run their own course anyway so why do we need people moderating? .
Sorry, some of us tried that, wasn't appreciated!

Easier to sit back with a beer and watch the shit, than be involved in it, these days. :whocares:

[inlinefour]

Weather must be good again and your all riding or everyone is now off the rags huh? :niceone: