Had a near-miss today, and I really enjoyed it!

[Steam]

A blind git in a 4x4 pulled out in front of me this morning, I braked hard, evaded, no big worries.
Then I pulled up beside him at the lights and SLAMMED my fist several times on the side of the canopy, it made the hugest noise, and the bloke just about jumped out of his skin.
"Did you even look before you pulled out?!" I demanded.
"I looked twice." he said in defence.
"Then you must be fucking blind!!" I told him.
"Fuck you, and if you hit my car one more time I'll hit you" he said.
"Cock!" said I, and BOOM BOOM, two more mega hits on his door. No damage, just a big noise.
By this time the lights had turned green, people behind us waiting.
I could see him boiling furious, he undid his seatbelt and made as if to open the door and get out.
He said "You fucking homo, you want a bash?!"
I laughed a little insane giggle that bubbled up from somewhere deep inside: "Bring it on, motherfucker." I said gleefully, and put my sidestand down.
He saw I was ready to get it on, that I was giggling and possibly a little crazed, and he decided to stay inside the 4x4. He swore a few more times and took off.

For the rest of the morning I've felt great, energised, peppy, very very good.
I'm still hyper, I think I'll have a beer for lunch to calm down.

Confrontation is fun.
I think this confirms I'm a bastard.

[xwhatsit]

Bahahahaha!

You're a shiny shit-encrusted jewel in the cack of Dunedin, Steam.

[Blossom]

OMG>>>> You adrenalin junkie, I guess that explains your love of biking.
What an absolute twit the 4x4 driver must have been to try to imply that you werent in his line of sight.

[n0regret5]

welcome to the fray..:-)

a week ago tonight some dumb old blind bitch in a toyota surf pulled out in front of me ACROSS an intersection, i was going straight, she was turning right..i slammed on my brakes (holding up all traffic except left turning) revved my engine (two bros pipes on a TL) a couple times and yelled out 'what the FUCK do you think you're doing?!' and someone on the side of the road yelled 'yeh, you tell them what!!' haha.

[Swoop]

Fun, innit!

[Mikkel]

Confrontation is fun.
I think this confirms I'm a bastard.

LMFAO! Buddhist - seeking zen? Good on ya though, maybe he'll check three times when goes to pull out next.

[Badcat]

pretty funny when you think a cage driver is keen enough to get into a fistfight with someone IN FULL ARMOUR.
you gotta think - is this clever?
well - that's what i say to them.

k

[F5 Dave]

[ to the dulcet tones of the Smiths]:. . . Was Enough to Make a Shy, Bald Buddhist Reflect and Plan a Mass Murder. . .

[Trudes]

You angry hippy you!!:niceone:

[oldrider]

I understand exactly how you feel, I was in my 4x4 this morning in Dunedin when this homo...........!!!! :rolleyes: Cheers John. :lol:

[fizbin]

hahahah must have been a moring for it i took some homos mirror out of the way to work this morning for trying to run me off the road and then telling me to watch where i was riding WANKER
But like you i have been in a fucking good mood allday:buggerd:

[ronniethe5th]

hahaha, awesome! just wondering how you took out the mirror, elbow?, fist? and also would I be in much trouble legally for this or could i just say he hit me?

If i can get away with it, i would do it more often, bashing the horn has no real effect... (hope i'm not butting in, 1st post)

:yes:

[Tank]

For the rest of the morning I've felt great, energised, peppy, very very good.
I'm still hyper, I think I'll have a beer for lunch to calm down.

Confrontation is fun.
I think this confirms I'm a bastard.

The Hippie has turned. - Congratulations and welcome to the dark side.

Remember - Being a bastard is addictive - you may never want to go back.

[Sparky Bills]

Is even better with hard knuckles :msn-wink:

[Katman]

Great, another car driver who'll be determined to run the next motorcyclist he sees off the road.

:tugger:

[MisterD]

Great, another car driver who'll be determined to run the next motorcyclist he sees off the road.

:tugger:

Or just maybe someone who will look just that bit more carefully next time?

Onya Steam.

[Katman]

Or just maybe someone who will look just that bit more carefully next time?



I doubt it. There's a big difference between educating drivers and antagonising them.

[kiwifruit]

I agree with katman, the driver will probably not look kindly upon motorcyclists in the future (if he sees them!)

You're lucky you didn't get the shit beaten out of you.

Just my opinion of course :sunny:

[FruitLooPs]

Well lanesplitting stationary traffic in chch for 2 years now i've thankfully had no problems with anyone trying to block etc. Maybe if the traffic was worse??

I have had my share of unbelievably blind bints pulling out and one u-turn that was a hairs breadth from me flying across her hood.

TBH, and I wouldn't normally say it but i'd be more annoyed with you raging at a driver with a green light holding up traffic than anything else. Although by the same token, i'd defo want to give him or blind drivers in general a piece :angry2:

Just yesterday I saw a woman at about 6pm pull out in front of a cyclist who was mid way thru the intersection. He had on a high-vis vest, front headlight and flashing strobe on the back. Must've been 10m-15m from her face when she wanted to pull out. So blind it defies belief :scratch:

[gismo]

I love the horn....

Oh and the look on peoples faces when they finally realise that you arent a mirage :bash:

[jrandom]

I agree with Katman and kiwifruit.

I tried a similar thing recently; a car driver cut me off, tootled his horn and made the 'wanker' gesture at me, so I followed him for a few blocks until he pulled over. He hopped out of his car, I hopped off the bike, and we had an entirely pointless conversation punctuated with several very rude words.

I certainly didn't achieve anything thereby, and on reflection, it was a very suboptimal way of handling the situation.

Goodness knows it could have been much worse; had I been more of an instinct-driven sort, instead of, well, playing a part (quite badly, at that) I could have damaged his car or assaulted his person, rendering me liable to all sorts of horrible legal hassles and probable injury to myself and damage to the bike as he escalated things in return.

All very silly.

In future, I may well follow discourteous or dangerous drivers for a chat if circumstances permit, but it will be conducted in a polite manner, making it clear that I simply wish to point out that their bad behaviour and attitude has a negative impact on other people, and that they might wish to consider that in future.

:yes:

[Grahameeboy]

I agree with katman, the driver will probably not look kindly upon motorcyclists in the future (if he sees them!)

You're lucky you didn't get the shit beaten out of you.

Just my opinion of course :sunny:

I agree with Katfood as well......

What opinion do the watching drivers see....probably did not see the near miss...probably thinking bloody yobbo bikers.

[Grahameeboy]

I agree with Katman and kiwifruit.

I tried a similar thing recently; a car driver cut me off, tootled his horn and made the 'wanker' gesture at me, so I followed him for a few blocks until he pulled over. He hopped out of his car, I hopped off the bike, and we had an entirely pointless conversation punctuated with several very rude words.

I certainly didn't achieve anything thereby, and on reflection, it was a very suboptimal way of handling the situation.

Goodness knows it could have been much worse; had I been more of an instinct-driven sort, instead of, well, playing a part (quite badly, at that) I could have damaged his car or assaulted his person, rendering me liable to all sorts of horrible legal hassles and probable injury to myself and damage to the bike as he escalated things in return.

All very silly.

In future, I may well follow discourteous or dangerous drivers for a chat if circumstances permit, but it will be conducted in a polite manner, making it clear that I simply wish to point out that their bad behaviour and attitude has a negative impact on other people, and that they might wish to consider that in future.

:yes:

To be honest not a lot of point following...I just point at my eyes or my mirror and carry on my merry way...if they don't understand what they have done..because the did it in the first place...and what you are on about I don't see much change.

[Katman]

I just point at my eyes or my mirror and carry on my merry way

Exactly. It's about education - not beating your chest like a fucking Neanderthal.

[jrandom]

To be honest not a lot of point following...I just point at my eyes or my mirror and carry on my merry way...if they don't understand what they have done..because the did it in the first place...

I choose not to take such a dim view of human nature. Sometimes, having something explained to one really can change one's approach in future.


and what you are on about I don't see much change.

Huh?

[Grahameeboy]

Exactly. It's about education - not beating your chest like a fucking Neanderthal.

Yep people tend to remember the last thing that happened....the Neanderthal

[Grahameeboy]

I choose not to take such a dim view of human nature. Sometimes, having something explained to one really can change one's approach in future.



Huh?

I don't have a dim view of people but nor do I have a dim view of myself either that I have to follow and talk to them...:msn-wink: people see things from their world and only listen to the bits they want too so I realistically think that my words will not have an impact...the only thing that makes them think about their actions is sadly an 'impact'...

[Squiggles]

Last time i had a confrontation with a cage driver i pulled them over a few k's up the road and told them i thought the move they just pulled was bloody stupid and could've easily ruined both our days, they apologised, i wished them a merry christmas, and we parted ways. Albeit they seemed in less of a rush after that wee reminder of human mortality.

[jrandom]

I don't have a dim view of people but nor do I have a dim view of myself either that I have to follow and talk to them...

I'm not sure how you correlate low self-esteem with taking it upon oneself to speak to a stranger about their bad behaviour?

:confused:

(I'd tend to think quite the reverse, in fact.)


I realistically think that my words will not have an impact...

Maybe we tend to model other people's expected behaviour on our own natures?

:mellow:

I know that if someone took the trouble to talk to me, and was polite about it, it'd carry a lot of weight.

[Grahameeboy]

I'm not sure how you correlate low self-esteem with taking it upon oneself to speak to a stranger about their bad behaviour?

:confused:

(I'd tend to think quite the reverse, in fact.)

I am not talking about low self esteem...........



Maybe we tend to model other people's expected behaviour on our own natures?

:mellow:

Not sure..................

I know that if someone took the trouble to talk to me, and was polite about it, it'd carry a lot of weight............................

[jrandom]

I am not talking about low self esteem...........

Hmmm:


nor do I have a dim view of myself either...

What were you trying to say, then?

[Grahameeboy]

Hmmm:



What were you trying to say, then?

Ppffftt

That I am better than following the person etc

[jrandom]

That I am better than following the person etc

I'm not quite sure I follow your logic.

Naturally, an intelligent and empathetic approach to the offender implies that one is one 'better than' a Neanderthalic approach, but that's not what you're talking about, is it?

You're talking about ignoring the problem.

Personally, I'd be tempted to say that if one is affected by dangerous behaviour from a third party, slinking off without mentioning it to them could well be said to constitute laziness and/or cowardice, given that much potential good could accrue from appropriate communication.

[Grahameeboy]

I'm not quite sure I follow your logic.

Naturally, an intelligent and empathetic approach to the offender implies that one is one 'better than' a Neanderthalic approach, but that's not what you're talking about, is it?

You're talking about ignoring the problem.

Personally, I'd be tempted to say that if one is affected by dangerous behaviour from a third party, slinking off without mentioning it to them could well be said to constitute laziness and/or cowardice, given that much potential good could accrue from appropriate communication.

No, because I am not really affected by the behaviour and have better things to do.......we ride bikes and expect this to happen...we ride bikes that without trying make a car look like it is parked and I just don't think that we can expect all drivers to have the skills to deal with bikes or for that matter the busyniss of roads....

[jrandom]

I am not really affected by the behaviour and have better things to do.......

I think it's a shame when people succumb to NIMBYism and fail to put energy into making the world a better place.


I just don't think that we can expect all drivers to have the skills to deal with bikes or for that matter the busyniss of roads....

Like I said earlier, I obviously take a more optimistic view of human nature and capabilities than you do.

[davereid]

I have been riding bikes for a loooonnnnng time.

And I have this idea about why we don't get seen.

Ever ridden somewhere, and forgotten part of the trip ?

Mostly, when we drive, I think the conscious brain turns off, and we revert to a primitive part of the brain. Really primitive, stone age in fact.

Its a part of the brain that kept us alive when hunting, very good at spotting prey, and very good at spotting the sabre-tooth tiger !

But to do that, the brain needed to ignore things that were outside of those two groups.

So if you were prey, or you were dangerous, then your brain delt with it.

So you didn't fall in the crevasse, and you spotted the rabbit. But the rest was not important, and got ignored.

I think its why we don't always get spotted on our bikes.

When I ride my scooter, its exactly as visible as my Harley, or my Kawasaki. Yet I get cut off, ignored, and blind sided 10:1 on the scooter compared to the Harley.

Its not that I'm not seen. People look at me, and then their brain just doesn't process the information. Cos, on the scooter I'm not a threat, I'm not a sabre-tooth tiger.

The ancient brain doesn't hand the information on to the modern brain, cos the ancient brain has decided its not important.

On the Harley, I'm much more of a threat, so I get seen more often.

So....

In my opinion, Steam gets bling. While the dude in the 4WD may be pissed off about bikes, he WILL see them.

Its not to say he might make a deliberate move to hurt a biker as he is pissed off.

But I am sure bikers in general will be better off, as his ancient mind will now see bikes, just like snakes, or tigers, and at least hand the information on to the modern brain !

Thats actually why fluro vests work.

Old Brain sees bike.
Not a threat. Oops, fluro vest - might be a cop = hand data on to modern brain ... haa not a cop, but I have to give way anyway !

So ...

Become a threat. Try and avoid violence, but always challenge the idiot who cuts you off. It doesnt need to become road rage. But the more car drivers that see bikers as just a little bit scary, the better.

[Steam]

Become a threat. Try and avoid violence, but always challenge the idiot who cuts you off. It doesnt need to become road rage. But the more car drivers that see bikers as just a little bit scary, the better.

Exactly!

And yes yes, I KNOW it wasn't a good thing to do, which is why I put the "I think this makes me an asshole" at the end.
I just wanted to share how Good it felt. Still does.

[Katman]

Exactly!

And yes yes, I KNOW it wasn't a good thing to do, which is why I put the "I think this makes me an asshole" at the end.
I just wanted to share how Good it felt. Still does.

You're right - you're an arsehole. A cock as well - who doesn't give a fuck how motorcyclists are perceived or treated.

[davereid]

You're right - you're an arsehole. A cock as well - who doesn't give a fuck how Motorcyclists are perceived or treated.

No, it's not that simple. Motorcyclists are inherently vulnerable - so of course you are right when you say we don't need enemies on the road.

But mostly we don't have enemies. Very few people will deliberately endanger YOUR life, because someone else on a motorcycle was rude to them.

But, if someone else on a motorcycle was rude to them, there is a good chance that they will be spotted !

Read the thread, and try to be involved with logic, not just abuse.

[Katman]

Read the thread, and try to be involved with logic, not just abuse.

I've read the thread. The only logic in here is the fact that if it comes down to war between Motorcyclists and Car Drivers, the Motorcyclists will lose. Steam doesn't seem to give a fuck about that fact.

[Ocean1]

Its a part of the brain that kept us alive when hunting, very good at spotting prey, and very good at spotting the sabre-tooth tiger

Seems I recall results of a survey supporting a similar theme. Perception tests showed notably higher and earlier recognition of bikes with twin lights. Was suggested that such a setup looked like eyes and triggered a primitive “face recognition” routine. Plausible, it’s the first visual perception task we ever master…

[Grahameeboy]

I think it's a shame when people succumb to NIMBYism and fail to put energy into making the world a better place.

Telling bad drivers off is not the most important thing in terms of making the world a better placed....save energy for more important things.

Like I said earlier, I obviously take a more optimistic view of human nature and capabilities than you do.

Nop, I am just realistic and accepting...human nature was not designed to drive cars..

........................

[rat biker 08]

If your an asshole then im a bigger one for putting my steelecap into a car the other day for not looking when SHE moved a lane without looking. Road rage bee fuked i was pissed off os good on you.:rockon:

[Thunder 8]

Having had all sorts of encounters with dickhead drivers in cars AND dickhead riders on bikes over the years i know what its like to be in that situation and you feel like flattening the driver/rider when you get that horrendous fright.
For myself i've come to the conclusion that getting into confrontations( and possibly far worse) with said dickheads is a complete waste of time and can land you in a real bad situation real fast.
A deep breath and some swearing to yoursef in your helmet will probably keep you out of trouble everytime.
Just my 10 cents worth.:Oi:

[Grahameeboy]

Seems I recall results of a survey supporting a similar theme. Perception tests showed notably higher and earlier recognition of bikes with twin lights. Was suggested that such a setup looked like eyes and triggered a primitive “face recognition” routine. Plausible, it’s the first visual perception task we ever master…

True although there was a case back in UK where a lady saw 2 headlights at night time and assumed it was a car miles away so she pulled out...it was a motorbike with twin headlights

[Dafe]

I agree with katman, the driver will probably not look kindly upon motorcyclists in the future (if he sees them!)

You're lucky you didn't get the shit beaten out of you.

Just my opinion of course :sunny:

I'm with you on this one. The result is another fool on our roads that purposefully won't give motorcyclists any safety margin or room for error in his future travels.

I remember vividly the instructor of Roadsafe Motorcycling explaining to me how if somebody made a mistake, it would be wiser to remain polite and wave at the guy. Because the guy would drive away thinking "that poor motorcyclist nearly got done by my stupidity and he seemed like such a good bloke!".
Otherwise you can hurl abuse and turn a guy anti motorcyclists for a long long time. Which could suit you but could cost another motorcyclist.

For this reason, I've never abused drivers when they're in the wrong and made a song and dance about it, I've often wondered if it may divert a bad situation for one of you in the years ahead. I also think you actually end up riding away calmer and feeling better.

[jrandom]

Telling bad drivers off is not the most important thing in terms of making the world a better placed....save energy for more important things.

Like getting home in time for the 6pm news?

:laugh:

Cultivating awareness and empathy in other road users can potentially save lives. I consider that worth putting effort into, when circumstances allow.

Making the world a better place isn't a matter of grand, occasional gestures - it's done one baby step at a time, by not deciding that things 'aren't important enough' to put effort into.

Having the balls to give some polite advice to a stranger who's fucked up and thereby endangered you is just one of those baby steps.

:niceone:

[Cache Wraith]

Great, another car driver who'll be determined to run the next motorcyclist he sees off the road.


Have to agree. Although the post has it's funny side, ultimately it's going to make the life of motorcyclists tougher. A bad mistake was made but road rage doesn't help.

[Mike748]

Confrontation will have a positive effect on some and a negative effect on others. Unfortunately you will never really know how your actions will influence another individual.

In a near miss I will generally shake my head when they do finally see me and I would have to be knocked off my bike before I would enter into an argument.

I'm glad you pulled this one off Steam, gave me a good laugh.

[Mikkel]

Fat fucking Jesus what a pile of bullshit!

If I had to take a dislike to all white cars the road just because I found that some white cars behaved like dicks I'd have a hard life TBQFH!

Steam, mate, you got your point across I'm sure. I am also sure you could have done that more elegantly. If the villian in the 4x4 ever takes it upon him to bring punishment upon all bikies I suspect it will not be through Steams actions.

[Swoop]

... I just don't think that we can expect all drivers to have the skills to deal with bikes or for that matter the busyniss of roads....
Yet these same people have managed to "aquire" a licence to drive a ton of steel that can endanger other road users and also bystanders?
If they haven't got "the skills" as you put it, then they do not deserve to be on the roads in the first place.

This evening's example of a fat-necked cager who had indulged in a bucket of kfc too many, and didn't care to look out of the driver's side window, let alone glance at any mirror prior to a lane change.
The horn startled "it" into reality, but the boot was ready for action.

[YellowDog]

My personal view is that road users need more and continuous eduction. It is terrifying that the middle aged man or woman who passed a test in the 1970s can drive today on the same licence.

[McDuck]

Well steam, had it been me in the cagers position i would have beaten the iving shit out of you. Just because you are in body armer means jack shit, it just means that you need to be smart about where you hit. The better solution is to point at the mirror, point at your eyes then give the thumbs up to show that the cager needs to do this in future and no harm done.

[Mikkel]

Well steam, had it been me in the cagers position i would have beaten the iving shit out of you. Just because you are in body armer means jack shit, it just means that you need to be smart about where you hit. The better solution is to point at the mirror, point at your eyes then give the thumbs up to show that the cager needs to do this in future and no harm done.

http://www.prometheus6.org/images/toughguy1.jpg

Yada yada yada - let's face it. Most of the times we get exposed to these situations we just kinda curl up into outselves and continue, a bit more shaky, on our merry way.

Whether Steams actions have caused said driver to look more in the future is frankly impossible to judge. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. However, Steam at least spoke his mind...

[McDuck]

http://www.prometheus6.org/images/toughguy1.jpg

Yada yada yada - let's face it. Most of the times we get exposed to these situations we just kinda curl up into outselves and continue, a bit more shaky, on our merry way.

Whether Steams actions have caused said driver to look more in the future is frankly impossible to judge. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. However, Steam at least spoke his mind...

But was it the most effective way to make the guy reconsider his actions? No.




Just out of curiosity what would you have done if you were in the car? If it was a genuine mistake it was a genuine mistake.

[Mikkel]

But was it the most effective way to make the guy reconsider his actions? No.

The last time I saw someone do something in the most effective way was... Fuck me, I can't remember.


Just out of curiosity what would you have done if you were in the car? If it was a genuine mistake it was a genuine mistake.

I'd have been scared shitless TBH. I would certainly not have considered going out there to duke it out. The fact that the person got defensive enough to consider that option would certainly suggest that he was aware that he got caught out being in the wrong...

And, personally, I don't think I could have made the same mistake if I had looked properly - actually I know I couldn't, because if I had looked properly I would have seen the motorcycle.

[McDuck]

And, personally, I don't think I could have made the same mistake if I had looked properly - actually I know I couldn't, because if I had looked properly I would have seen the motorcycle.

Whats to say it was the same level of mistake in a different way, IE not stopping for a stop sign etc etc? For what its worth i have (per kms travelled) had more near misses in the car caused by motorbikes than on the bikes caused by cars.

[Mikkel]

Whats to say it was the same level of mistake in a different way, IE not stopping for a stop sign etc etc? For what its worth i have (per kms travelled) had more near misses in the car caused by motorbikes than on the bikes caused by cars.

Which ones have concerned you the most?

[McDuck]

Which ones have concerned you the most?

To be honest, the ones where i was in the car. It would have been like a train driver hitting a car on the tracks. Happening and not jack shit i could have done about it, blaiming self etc even when i didnt do anything wrong etc.

[Boob Johnson]

What Katman ironicly forgets is the same approach Steam used is the same approach he takes to his mad ramblings about road safety that we all love & enjoy :rolleyes:



ps: if some clown is happy enough to put my life on the line & lets not over look this point, your life IS on the line when you are on a bike, then they are going to have to take a verbal tyraid & whatever transpires. And by God they will know they caused a near major accident because the system sure doesn't do anywhere near what it should to avoid it in the first place. It happened to me yet again not so long ago, minding my own business, riding in the correct lane position at the correct speed & some clown does a U turn just over the brow of a hill when on either side of him there are easy turning area's and heres me coming over the hill to see him in the middle of the road!!! Braked & avoided collision with no thanks to him he just looked at me like a stunned mullet & drove off, I turned & chased after him & gave him a bloody good telling off, I went off at the prick, had his daughter in the car with him as well (hes late 40s) so I got stuck into him about setting a good example for ya kid, that I gaurantee he won't do again.

It's hard for others to say if they weren't there how it went down but if its done correctly then it can be very effective, for me its far to an important issue to sit back & do nothing when someone so recklessly endangers my life I got something to say about that, it aint gunna be pretty & I make no appoligy for it.

[Grahameeboy]

Like getting home in time for the 6pm news?

:laugh:

Cultivating awareness and empathy in other road users can potentially save lives. I consider that worth putting effort into, when circumstances allow.

Making the world a better place isn't a matter of grand, occasional gestures - it's done one baby step at a time, by not deciding that things 'aren't important enough' to put effort into.

Having the balls to give some polite advice to a stranger who's fucked up and thereby endangered you is just one of those baby steps.

:niceone:

You are not home!!

I don't believe that drivers are fucked up....by riding a bike we take a risk simply because we have little protection...I guess to me I expect to have a few near misses as it goes with the territory...

[Grahameeboy]

Yet these same people have managed to "aquire" a licence to drive a ton of steel that can endanger other road users and also bystanders?
If they haven't got "the skills" as you put it, then they do not deserve to be on the roads in the first place.

This evening's example of a fat-necked cager who had indulged in a bucket of kfc too many, and didn't care to look out of the driver's side window, let alone glance at any mirror prior to a lane change.
The horn startled "it" into reality, but the boot was ready for action.

The 'test' is just that and is based on a controlled situation with a tester in the car. The driver's aim is to pass the test which we all know does not give that person a good attitude or aptitude to drive a car.

It could be that some people by their nature don't think outside the box so can pass the test but don't have that vision (pun not intended) when driving.

Remember the Road Code just says indicate for 3 secs before moving...some people will do just that because that is what they are told to do...like at work some people just say "well that is the process" rather than doing what is right..

[Grahameeboy]

DIAL 555.......:yes:

[BiK3RChiK]

My personal view is that road users need more and continuous eduction. It is terrifying that the middle aged man or woman who passed a test in the 1970s can drive today on the same licence.

And if anyone thinks that the current licencing system makes better drivers then they need a reality check! How the hell many younger drivers manage to get their licences puzzles me. Just sit outside the local high school at 3pm or go to town on a Friday and Saturday night to see my point!

Getting one's licence in the '70's doesn't make one a bad driver. It's all about driver awareness, education, and gaining experience. And because we stuff up from time to time, that doesn't make us a bad driver! Who of us has never made a mistake whilst driving and stuffed up? I know for sure that when I have done, I'm glad some angry person didn't come along to give me the learn! A reminder in the way of a horn or a similar would probably be enough of a wake-up call!

My 0.02....

[CookMySock]

I laughed a little insane giggle that bubbled up from somewhere deep inside: "Bring it on, motherfucker." I said gleefully, and put my sidestand down.BAHAHAHA, bewdy. You need a little pouch on your clutch side to put the 15 inch crescent in, complete with its' leather wrist strap. Or maybe an ammo box with a chain in it. LOL

It's so cool how cagers are scared of bikies.. BOOOOOO!!!! (scream...) BAHAHAHAHA!!

edit: ooh this inspires a new signature!!

DB

[Rockbuddy]

Great, another car driver who'll be determined to run the next motorcyclist he sees off the road.

:tugger:

by the sound of things he allready was

[martybabe]

My personal view is that road users need more and continuous eduction. It is terrifying that the middle aged man or woman who passed a test in the 1970s can drive today on the same licence.

The age group you deride are the insurance underwriters favourite client group mate. It's the young and the old That scare me, either so cock sure of their abilities that disaster is only a cd change away or, in the case of the latter blissfully unaware of the world outside the confines of their cage.

Give me middle agers any day, old and experienced enough to be road savvy but not so old as to have severely impaired motor skills and poor eyesight.

[fizbin]

hahaha, awesome! just wondering how you took out the mirror, elbow?, fist? and also would I be in much trouble legally for this or could i just say he hit me?

If i can get away with it, i would do it more often, bashing the horn has no real effect... (hope i'm not butting in, 1st post)

:yes:
Soz about the late reply!
It was with my fist hurt like a motherfucker but was well worth it:Police:
as for getting caught. sorry officer i was at work at that time couldn't have been me he must have got the number plate wrong!

[CookMySock]

[...] or, in the case of the latter [oldies] blissfully unaware of the world outside the confines of their cage.:shutup: they're not ALL stoned outa their tree ! ;)

DB

[Steam]

... to put the 15 inch crescent in... Or maybe an ammo box with a chain in it. ...


How the hell did you know what's in my ammo box toolkit??!
It's only a 12 inch wrench sadly.

[Badcat]

How the hell did you know what's in my ammo box toolkit??!
It's only a 12 inch wrench sadly.

hey man - size isn't everything.

k

[CookMySock]

How the hell did you know what's in my ammo box toolkit??!
It's only a 12 inch wrench sadly.You KNOW what you have to do, son. :devil2:

DB

[alanzs]

Sounds like a wee bit of road rage. Adrenaline will keep you young! It comes with the territory. Ride like they are AIMING for you and you'll generally avoid a lot of problems. Also, figure that you are invisible and then stay away from cages at all costs.

[sunhuntin]

If it was a genuine mistake it was a genuine mistake.

when cage drivers hit someone or something its ALWAYS a genuine mistake. i have been hit once, and had enough near misses to turn hairs grey [thankfully only the ones on my legs are affected]

in every single case, the cager has not realised whats happened until im either stopped in front of them with my jaw swinging in shock, or my year old bike is wedged under their front bumper and im playing wonder woman sailing over their bonnet. in their mind, its always a genuine mistake. they never take the blame themselves.

i dont believe cagers pull out of places intending to hit something, but i do believe they do so without considering the fact that something might be in their way. no one ever leaves the house contemplating how many they may injure of kill, but neither do they contemplate the results of what might happen if they dont use their eyes and ears.
cagers need to wind their windows down and take their sunglasses off. they need to be aware, upon starting the engine, of exactly what could happen should they hit something or someone. thats another reason why i think everyone should start on a motorbike license for at least a year, or even a push bike for a year. both carry much the risks from cagers.

[RnB Fan]

A blind git in a 4x4 pulled out in front of me this morning, I braked hard, evaded, no big worries.
Then I pulled up beside him at the lights and SLAMMED my fist several times on the side of the canopy, it made the hugest noise, and the bloke just about jumped out of his skin.
"Did you even look before you pulled out?!" I demanded.
"I looked twice." he said in defence.
"Then you must be fucking blind!!" I told him.
"Fuck you, and if you hit my car one more time I'll hit you" he said.
"Cock!" said I, and BOOM BOOM, two more mega hits on his door. No damage, just a big noise.
By this time the lights had turned green, people behind us waiting.
I could see him boiling furious, he undid his seatbelt and made as if to open the door and get out.
He said "You fucking homo, you want a bash?!"
I laughed a little insane giggle that bubbled up from somewhere deep inside: "Bring it on, motherfucker." I said gleefully, and put my sidestand down.
He saw I was ready to get it on, that I was giggling and possibly a little crazed, and he decided to stay inside the 4x4. He swore a few more times and took off.

For the rest of the morning I've felt great, energised, peppy, very very good.
I'm still hyper, I think I'll have a beer for lunch to calm down.

Confrontation is fun.
I think this confirms I'm a bastard.

Well done Steam. I hate bullies - especially "blind" bullies!

[avgas]

Skidmark, is that your Skiddy?

[kiwifruit]

12 inch wrench

How would you like that weapon turned on you?

[NUTBAR]

A blind git in a 4x4 pulled out in front of me this morning, I braked hard, evaded, no big worries.
Then I pulled up beside him at the lights and SLAMMED my fist several times on the side of the canopy, it made the hugest noise, and the bloke just about jumped out of his skin.
"Did you even look before you pulled out?!" I demanded.
"I looked twice." he said in defence.
"Then you must be fucking blind!!" I told him.
"Fuck you, and if you hit my car one more time I'll hit you" he said.
"Cock!" said I, and BOOM BOOM, two more mega hits on his door. No damage, just a big noise.
By this time the lights had turned green, people behind us waiting.
I could see him boiling furious, he undid his seatbelt and made as if to open the door and get out.
He said "You fucking homo, you want a bash?!"
I laughed a little insane giggle that bubbled up from somewhere deep inside: "Bring it on, motherfucker." I said gleefully, and put my sidestand down.
He saw I was ready to get it on, that I was giggling and possibly a little crazed, and he decided to stay inside the 4x4. He swore a few more times and took off.

For the rest of the morning I've felt great, energised, peppy, very very good.
I'm still hyper, I think I'll have a beer for lunch to calm down.

Confrontation is fun.
I think this confirms I'm a bastard.

come to tauranga, & you can do it every day!

[Steam]

How would you like that weapon turned on you?

That would be very very bad. I'd never use a weapon, I was in a couple of fights a few years ago as a security guard, but nobody got hurt.

I'm all talk.

[kiwifruit]

That would be very very bad. I'd never use a weapon, I was in a couple of fights a few years ago as a security guard, but nobody got hurt.

I'm all talk.

I'm glad to hear it :)

[CookMySock]

Ride like they are AIMING for you and you'll generally avoid a lot of problems. Hah! I ride like I am aiming at THEM!! And I leave my headlights on full during the day - bugger them. I find cagers take any weakness as permission to run me over, so I fluff my feathers right up and drive right at them. :gob: MOVE !!

If they stay in their lane we'll all get along just fine.

DB

[Mikkel]

That would be very very bad. I'd never use a weapon, I was in a couple of fights a few years ago as a security guard, but nobody got hurt.

I'm all talk.

Nah, if you're a good fighter you can walk out of a fight as the winner without ever having to hurt anyone. (not counting egos of course) :D

Tearing people to bits and beating them to a pulp is easy - it's taking them down without damage to yourself or them that is tricky.

Aikido is good for that stuff :yes:

(And don't start a fucking Martial Arts discussion now, I am aware that there are more effective ways to win a fight than aikido, it's not the point.)

[Forest]

DIAL 555.......:yes:

Sadly this achieves nothing.

[alanzs]

Hah! I ride like I am aiming at THEM!! And I leave my headlights on full during the day - bugger them. I find cagers take any weakness as permission to run me over, so I fluff my feathers right up and drive right at them. :gob: MOVE !!

If they stay in their lane we'll all get along just fine.

DB

I couldn't agree more. I was born and raised on the freeways of Lost Angeles, where people carry guns and riding was a matter of survival of the fastest and the fittest. I rode at least 30k miles a year for many years.

I've no patience for cages that fucking can't seem to make up their minds. I take every advantage of riding a bike and I ride, shall we say, aggressively. If you don't, you might as well drive a cage. Get out of my way nana!

I split lanes, always. I squeeze in tight places all the time, frankly, sometime just to see if I can fit. That's what make riding in traffic worthwhile.

I have a 13 bulb red flashing LED light on my rear fender that is blinding to cages in my rear. I can see them put their hands up to shield their eyes. Good, then they see me and stay away.

I time my approach to oncoming cars so I make other cars behinds me have to slow down, then I zip away.

I have a BLINDING 6000k HID light on all the time. I see cars put their mirrors down as I approach; good they see me coming, and like you said, if they stay in their lane, we'll get along just fine.

I have a fliam horn which is very loud. I use it regularly to get people to move out of my way.

I wear a Hiz viz suit all the time, so I'll never be crumpled on the ground again as some latte sipping, phone texting, ponsonby bitch in her monster suv says "I didn't see you." You'll see ME! :argh:

My middle finger flys up at the slightest provocation... And, I live to ride another day.

I love riding... :2thumbsup

[Boob Johnson]

Aikido is good for that stuff :yes:
Very true, did it for a few years myself :niceone:

I don't ever go out looking for trouble but at the same time as mentioned earlier I will always let them know they have come close to killing me & if that stirs them enough to want to fight me then fight we shall, I wont be throwing the first punch, but I will be throwing the last :laugh:


What blows me away is how sheepish people are when someone so flippantly puts their life on the line, just doesn't compute how one could shrug it off as no big thing. Maybe if they had 9 pins & a titanium plate screwed to their hip for life like myself then they might have a slight different view.

[Katman]

Maybe if they had 9 pins & a titanium plate screwed to their hip for life like myself then they might have a slight different view.

You forgot to mention the lead plate inside your skull.

[CookMySock]

I was born and raised on the freeways of Lost Angeles [awesome story trimmed] BAHAHAH, you are a wholesale, certifiable, BASTARD, LOL. Bring it on. Well done. :2thumbsup

DB

[Swoop]

Sadly this achieves nothing.
Actually, it does.
Somewhere a public servant is employed by this crap. Filing it away somwhere, so that a statistician can come up with some fantastic new "research" that proves nothing.

I squeeze in tight places all the time, frankly, sometime just to see if I can fit. That's what make riding in traffic worthwhile.
It's only tight when both mirrors are being folded back!

[alanzs]

BAHAHAH, you are a wholesale, certifiable, BASTARD, LOL. Bring it on. Well done. :2thumbsup

DB

Just trying to share the love... :rockon:

[alanzs]

Actually, it does.
Somewhere a public servant is employed by this crap. Filing it away somwhere, so that a statistician can come up with some fantastic new "research" that proves nothing.

It's only tight when both mirrors are being folded back!

What are mirrors on bikes for anyways? I know how I look and it ain't pretty... :Punk:

[mctshirt]

I chopped up a boy racer on a roundabout yesterday - felt good like pissing in a wetsuit! Little clown gave me a stern talking to from behind his window but the full effect may have been lost to me as I marvelled at his peaked woolly cap worn on a jaunty angle. Afterwards I realised I should have followed him and initiated a robust discussion about indicating when exiting roundabouts, illegal lane changes, and getting dressed in the dark. Another day...

[wickle]

The age group you deride are the insurance underwriters favourite client group mate. It's the young and the old That scare me, either so cock sure of their abilities that disaster is only a cd change away or, in the case of the latter blissfully unaware of the world outside the confines of their cage.

Give me middle agers any day, old and experienced enough to be road savvy but not so old as to have severely impaired motor skills and poor eyesight.
I agree in my job every day we get young drivers coming on to the forecourt thinking its a race track and older cliental parking so from the pumps even a Harley rider could park between them and the pumps , does matter what you are doing there's always some f!!!!!!!wit out there.

[CB ARGH]

you cock hahaha

God the adrenaline must've been pumping through your ass right then. Faaahk