Entrapment

[The Stranger]

Do we have entrapment laws in NZ?
Isn't it both dangerous and entrapment when cops sit up your arse with their lights on high beam trying to goad you into racing?
Or is there another purpose to this dangerous driving technique?

[breakaway]

Pull over to the side then.

You have to be pretty fucking dumb if they coerce you into 'racing'.

[hurricane_r]

yeh that sucked :(

[Mikkel]

Do we have entrapment laws in NZ?
Isn't it both dangerous and entrapment when cops sit up your arse with their lights on high beam trying to goad you into racing?
Or is there another purpose to this dangerous driving technique?

If they do that I suppose it would only be fair to stand on your brakes - if they hit you they haven't been keeping adequate distance and ought to get both a traffic infringement and hopefully disciplinary action...

But yes, they should not be allowed to do that :no:

[The Stranger]

Pull over to the side then.

You have to be pretty fucking dumb if they coerce you into 'racing'.

You'd have to be pretty fucking dumb to be unable to read or understand the questions asked too, but, like your answer, that's irrelevant to this thread.

[Usarka]

Pull over to the side then.

You have to be pretty fucking dumb if they coerce you into 'racing'.

If a car is dangerously close i will try to minimise the danger. Do you think slowing down will help when travelling at 100kph?????

if he has his lights on high, it is probably dark and ergo hard to tell its a cop.

or are you being pedantic over the term racing.


end of the day stranger I think you could get off if you could prove you were fearing for your safety and that the cop really was that close, and the cop may get disciplined or "dangerous driving"'d. Not sure if we have entrapment laws though.....

but regardless, who's the judge gunna believe?

[mashman]

Do we have entrapment laws in NZ?
Isn't it both dangerous and entrapment when cops sit up your arse with their lights on high beam trying to goad you into racing?
Or is there another purpose to this dangerous driving technique?

EH!!! :eek5: Your wife wasn't on the back of the bike was she???

[Ragingrob]

Today I was on the Southern heading into town from Karaka, cop hops on at Manukau, I sit on 110, he catches up to me, I pull over, he passes me, I pull back in behind him and follow him all the way into town sitting on 115kph. Slowed down a little thinking he may ticket me and he just kept pulling away when I was sitting on about 112kph. He was just cruising up behind people until they pull over and just kept on going.

[HDTboy]

I think brake lights coming on, and them swinging a fast u-turn in your mirrors is grounds for entrapment

[The Stranger]

EH!!! :eek5: Your wife wasn't on the back of the bike was she???

Not sure what your wife looks like, but ok, perhaps you are easily confused by cop cars and women. There are some subtle differences - you'll find out it good time no doubt.

[mashman]

Not sure what your wife looks like, but ok, perhaps you are easily confused by cop cars and women. There are some subtle differences - you'll find out it good time no doubt.

She certainly wails like a cop car, has to magnificent headlights and she doesn't mind being poked in the exhaust... as for my comment, it's late, i'm tired, I could have explained a little better etc...

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=74775

[The Stranger]

If a car is dangerously close i will try to minimise the danger. Do you think slowing down will help when travelling at 100kph?????

if he has his lights on high, it is probably dark and ergo hard to tell its a cop.

or are you being pedantic over the term racing.


end of the day stranger I think you could get off if you could prove you were fearing for your safety and that the cop really was that close, and the cop may get disciplined or "dangerous driving"'d. Not sure if we have entrapment laws though.....

but regardless, who's the judge gunna believe?

No, not really being pedantic over the term racing. It would however appear to be the only logical reason I can think that they do this. Happy to be corrected here.

The situation specifically to which I refer is tonight on the ATNR.
The cops were playing cat and mouse with us again, no worries, we know the risks and no I didn't earn myself a ticket, but on 3 separate occasions they tailgated bikes. Twice with lights on full and through some very tight twisties.

[Mikkel]

The situation specifically to which I refer is tonight on the ATNR.
The cops were playing cat and mouse with us again, no worries, we know the risks and no I didn't earn myself a ticket, but on 3 separate occasions they tailgated bikes. Twice with lights on full and through some very tight twisties.

In that case I'd say whoever was tailend charlie should just engine brake down to, let's say, 50 km/h while the rest of the group takes off...

[Usarka]

No, not really being pedantic over the term racing. It would however appear to be the only logical reason I can think that they do this. Happy to be corrected here.

sorry that comment was directed at breakaway..

you and i know full well why they do it....... is this the first time (ie, is it something you can plan to gather evidence on?)

[The Stranger]

I think brake lights coming on, and them swinging a fast u-turn in your mirrors is grounds for entrapment


Precisely mate. You are on to it.



Mind you, would only be entrapment if you got caught.

[Hinny]

Ginger on the case again.
Jeez we (I) was so lucky I picked up on him so early. Sadly I think it was me who brought him on the ride as I was trying to catch the bunch up. Westie cottoned on straight away as well and saved a few arses by holding him up.
Big ups there mate.
How about coming to Turangi?

[TimeOut]

No, not really being pedantic over the term racing. It would however appear to be the only logical reason I can think that they do this. Happy to be corrected here.

The situation specifically to which I refer is tonight on the ATNR.
The cops were playing cat and mouse with us again, no worries, we know the risks and no I didn't earn myself a ticket, but on 3 separate occasions they tailgated bikes. Twice with lights on full and through some very tight twisties.

Be careful on the twisties as they did a Poshe (sp) driver for going over the posted speed on a corner, mind you he was doing 130 round a 75km/ph corner.

[spudchucka]

Do we have entrapment laws in NZ?
Isn't it both dangerous and entrapment when cops sit up your arse with their lights on high beam trying to goad you into racing?
Or is there another purpose to this dangerous driving technique?

Its not entrapment its tailgating and it is a $150 fine for doing it. So next time it happens pull over, let them pass, note the car's rego, get on the phone to *555 and report their bad driving.

[westie]

Be careful on the twisties as they did a Poshe (sp) driver for going over the posted speed on a corner, mind you he was doing 130 round a 75km/ph corner.

Lol 130 is over the speed limit.

Well I was messing with him on the straights going real slow but hauling round the corners and losing him. He followed me for ages without pulling me over. Then mysteriously Around another corner I had dissappeared:whistle:

[Number One]

No, not really being pedantic over the term racing. It would however appear to be the only logical reason I can think that they do this. Happy to be corrected here.

The situation specifically to which I refer is tonight on the ATNR.
The cops were playing cat and mouse with us again, no worries, we know the risks and no I didn't earn myself a ticket, but on 3 separate occasions they tailgated bikes. Twice with lights on full and through some very tight twisties.
Fuck that! I'd get all the riders together and report that.

[nodrog]

No, not really being pedantic over the term racing. It would however appear to be the only logical reason I can think that they do this. Happy to be corrected here.

The situation specifically to which I refer is tonight on the ATNR.
The cops were playing cat and mouse with us again, no worries, we know the risks and no I didn't earn myself a ticket, but on 3 separate occasions they tailgated bikes. Twice with lights on full and through some very tight twisties.

maybe you floppy aucklanders should go faster instead of wobbling your way around in the dark at 30kph? :bleh:

[CookMySock]

touch your brake lights gently and wave them back off you with your spare hand. If they ignore you, raise a gloved finger real high and leave it there until they back off. Take great care not to break ANY law in the process of this. You pay your road user charges just like the next guy, and that means you do not have to "get the fuck outa the way" for anyone.

Don't do this with a non-pig car coz you will have a battle on your hands - probably one you will not win.

DB

[yungatart]

Its not entrapment its tailgating and it is a $150 fine for doing it. So next time it happens pull over, let them pass, note the car's rego, get on the phone to *555 and report their bad driving.

What he said!
Follow up your phone call with an official complaint to the police. Bloody dangerous behaviour.

[henry]

The situation specifically to which I refer is tonight on the ATNR.
The cops were playing cat and mouse with us again, no worries, we know the risks and no I didn't earn myself a ticket, but on 3 separate occasions they tailgated bikes. Twice with lights on full and through some very tight twisties.

If this is true then report it even if you and your mates were being fuckwits, there is no excuse for the cops dangerous driving. If you were breaking the law you should have been ticketed otherwise they should leave you alone.

[Morcs]

rego is DMJ413. Name is michael ginger fuckwit im never stopping for him again wanker.

I hope this helps.

I think the entire ATNR should remove their number plates and ride as fast as we can. Ginger will absolutely fiiiiillll his pants :bleh: then realise he cant catch us, or get our regos :niceone:

[The Stranger]

If this is true then report it even if you and your mates were being fuckwits, there is no excuse for the cops dangerous driving. If you were breaking the law you should have been ticketed otherwise they should leave you alone.

I think that was the problem, the cops said they hadn't been on the Thursday ride for a while and they were obviously looking for some action but there was a general lack of fuckwittedness.

The 2 tickets handed out were for bikes having their lights on full beam. Probably not the smartest move, but the guys were pissed at being tailgated by a car with thier lights on full beam, so returned the favour - well the full beam part anyway.

[Hitcher]

You'd have to be pretty fucking dumb to be unable to read or understand the questions asked too, but, like your answer, that's irrelevant to this thread.
Given the basis of your question, I would recommend some caution before criticising others of being "pretty fucking dumb".

"Racing" or not is a matter of personal choice. If some nong is up your arse with their lights on high beam there is no imperative on you, as the driver of the car in front, to accelerate. I think you would have some difficulty pleading "entrapment" as a defence if you got nicked trying to outrun a Police vehicle that was following you.

[ManDownUnder]

Do we have entrapment laws in NZ?
Isn't it both dangerous and entrapment when cops sit up your arse with their lights on high beam trying to goad you into racing?
Or is there another purpose to this dangerous driving technique?

Dangerous - yes, pull over, let them past get rego, place, date and time and ring it in. I've done it previously and will gladly do it again. If they have a record of doing this stuff it can be noted...

Unless they have the red and blues turned on I find it hard to imagine any reason for them to do this. Where, when? Day? Night?

It's a bit of a leap to say they were goading you into racing isn't it (but then - I wasn't there... so what do I know?)

edit - just read the rest of the thread. Sorry I wasn't there now.... that could have been fun.

[ManDownUnder]

"Racing" or not is a matter of personal choice. If some nong is up your arse with their lights on high beam there is no imperative on you, as the driver of the car in front, to accelerate. I think you would have some difficulty pleading "entrapment" as a defence if you got nicked trying to outrun a Police vehicle that was following you.

If anything I'd say the imperative is your personal safety which would require you to pull over (speeding up is easily argued to exchange one type of risk for another, and then you break a law or two... for which you will be nicked).

Pull over, get rego, complain... through offical channels.

I still have a hard time with entrapment though - even if they did a u-turn etc. If they did that and sat back obeying the 2 second rule would that be different? I don't understand which part of their actions would specifically constitute entrapment

[The Stranger]

Given the basis of your question, I would recommend some caution before criticising others of being "pretty fucking dumb".

"Racing" or not is a matter of personal choice. If some nong is up your arse with their lights on high beam there is no imperative on you, as the driver of the car in front, to accelerate. I think you would have some difficulty pleading "entrapment" as a defence if you got nicked trying to outrun a Police vehicle that was following you.


Well by all means Hitcher, offer an alternative rational explanation for this type of behaviour by the cops.

[The Stranger]

If anything I'd say the imperative is your personal safety which would require you to pull over (speeding up is easily argued to exchange one type of risk for another, and then you break a law or two... for which you will be nicked).

Pull over, get rego, complain... through offical channels.

I still have a hard time with entrapment though - even if they did a u-turn etc. If they did that and sat back obeying the 2 second rule would that be different? I don't understand which part of their actions would specifically constitute entrapment

Yes, sure, that is what I do, and what the other guys did as and when space and time permits. In narrow, tight twisties on an unlit road, part way through a corner being dazzled by full beams it's not just a case of instantly pulling over, but where safe to do so they did. Case closed as regards the bikers actions. But still I question the cops motives and actions.

The U-turn one is obviously HDTBoy taking piss, hence my reply was also taking piss.

[Morcs]

Given the basis of your question, I would recommend some caution before criticising others of being "pretty fucking dumb".

"Racing" or not is a matter of personal choice. If some nong is up your arse with their lights on high beam there is no imperative on you, as the driver of the car in front, to accelerate. I think you would have some difficulty pleading "entrapment" as a defence if you got nicked trying to outrun a Police vehicle that was following you.

I know this police officer quite well. He has taken my license twice, and shoveled on $2k of fines - yes hes just doing his job, but takes great satisfaction in it - not to mention being a wanker - tries to get you annoyed to say something stupid that he can do you for - seems he does the same thing on the road.

just last week on the ATNR, he was coming out of waitoki, full beams on straight at me. I flashed to let him know, and he just carried on as he were.

We are not cop bashing, just this particular cop.

He did a similar thing to chrislost a few weeks back on the auckland motorway, late at night, he was cruising at 95, said cop comes right up his arse, with high beams on, chris sped up to like 110 and gave him the finger out of frustration (as most of us would do to a normal car) and said cop pulls him over and throws the book at him. $1k+

[Tank]

He did a similar thing to chrislost a few weeks back on the auckland motorway, late at night, he was cruising at 95, said cop comes right up his arse, with high beams on, chris sped up to like 110 and gave him the finger out of frustration (as most of us would do to a normal car) and said cop pulls him over and throws the book at him. $1k+

Um - how do you get 1k in fines for doing 110 on the m/way?

[mashman]

If it is just a jumped up cop being a fuckwit, make an official compaint. They can search his citations and build a picture from there... If you also complain about his dangerous driving, high beams and taligating etc... the case can only be taken more seriously... Make the complaint though, don't just moan about him...

[Tank]

Do we have entrapment laws in NZ?
Isn't it both dangerous and entrapment when cops sit up your arse with their lights on high beam trying to goad you into racing?
Or is there another purpose to this dangerous driving technique?

As for the entrapment - Yeah right!

Impossible to prove their intent - despite what you think - there could be a number of reasons that he could argue.

What he was doing is dangerous driving. If a number of the riders who saw this all went to their local police station and lodged a complaint giving about the same time date etc with the guys rego then Im sure hes toast. going to the station holds a lot more weight than a *555

But Im guessing everyone will sit back do nothing and simply bitch about him and say that the police would do nothing about it anyway.

[CookMySock]

Um - how do you get 1k in fines for doing 110 on the m/way?:corn:

DB

[Jimmy B]

Totally different set of circumstances but legal precedent can be odd that way. My Brother and his mate were about to get their heads stoved in by a number of scary dudes at a seedy establishment a few years back. My Brother legged it out the bathroom window, got the car round front while his mate made a massive bid for freedom with several pursuers.

They successfully escaped, gassed it and ran straight into a check point, done for DIC. The matter went before the courts and was successfully defended on the basis that you are allowed to break the law if you are trying to preserve your life or person from serious injury.

Seems to me if you're in a vulnerable situation and you flee to preserve your safety from a tail gating cop then you may just have a leg to stand on. I suspect their word against yours in the majority of cases….

Any Legal Beagles out there who are prepared to comment?

[Swoop]

Um - how do you get 1k in fines for doing 110 on the m/way?
All the "extras" that are added on?
WOF.
Rego.
Licence conditions.
Dangerous.
Etc.
Etc.

[FROSTY]

If there were enough guys on atnr then why not wright a letter of complaint re his dangerous driving. If he was following that close then its goota be dangerous ot at the least careless use It then comes down to the word of a police officer vs 20 odd members of the public.

[Mr Merde]

... It then comes down to the word of a police officer vs 20 odd members of the public.

And the loser would be.....?

[FROSTY]

All the "extras" that are added on?
WOF.Rego.Licence conditions.
Sorry but is that the cops fault?
I mean really Ya ride a bike with no rego/wof ya know the risk is $600 in fines --the rider madde that choice.
Ditto licence --if ya dumb enough to ride with no or incorrect licence then whose fault is it?
The other stuff--110 in a 100 zone is not a big fine

[FROSTY]

And the loser would be.....?
with 20 afidavits attesting to his driving unquestionably the cop

[Horse]

Presumably someone on this ride has a video camera they use to record their rides occasionally. Mount it on the back of the bike and ride as tail-end charlie. Do it every ride. Every time you get aggro from this cop, make a complaint, including a _copy_ of the video, and witness statements from as many people on the ride as you can. Do it every time. After the 3rd complaint with no apparent action from the police, take copies of the videos and witness statements etc to the media.

Saying "this cop is being a prick" in KB isn't going to amount to a hill of beans. If you want to get the problem sorted properly you're going to have to (a) get organised and (b) work the system. Harder, but more satisfying in the end.

[Swoop]

Sorry but is that the cops fault?
I wasn't saying it was.
The question was asked "how can a 110kmh ticket cost a grand"?

[ManDownUnder]

I wasn't saying it was.
The question was asked "how can a 110kmh ticket cost a grand"?

The kiwibiker way...

No rego = $$
No license = $$$
Dangerous riding = $$$$

[boomer]

you guys are dafter than that useless ginga twat looks...! Fancy carry on riding that route on that day/time with a bike thats speeding or unlawful...

If you go in the baboons' den, the baboons gonna arse rape u ... simple


The best suggestion so far.. everyone complain about him at the same time.. get him kicked of the force ( we all know he has double standards )

[Swoop]

Well said Boomer!

[nodrog]

you guys are dafter than that useless ginga twat looks...! Fancy carry on riding that route on that day/time with a bike thats speeding or unlawful...

If you go in the baboons' den, the baboons gonna arse rape u ... simple


The best suggestion so far.. everyone complain about him at the same time.. get him kicked of the force ( we all know he has double standards )


somtimes the baboons fight back :niceone:

[FROSTY]

I wasn't saying it was.
The question was asked "how can a 110kmh ticket cost a grand"?
that ya werent--sorry dude wasnt you -it was morcs

And Boomer me ol nanna --Ive done a few atnr's and the current crew are out for a ride not a race. the big 100 really is roughly normal ride pace
The point was some idiot was right up a bikes arse with hi beams on
or to rephrase me ol nana--if on a tight country road with a car up ya ass -what would YOU do ?

[Mr Merde]

....--if on a tight country road with a car up ya ass -what would YOU do ?

Euphemism, I hope not

[boomer]

that ya werent--sorry dude wasnt you -it was morcs

And Boomer me ol nanna --Ive done a few atnr's and the current crew are out for a ride not a race. the big 100 really is roughly normal ride pace
The point was some idiot was right up a bikes arse with hi beams on
or to rephrase me ol nana--if on a tight country road with a car up ya ass -what would YOU do ?

i know exactly what the point is.. and im looking at teh cause. The cause is that ginga tosser and NO MATTER what people do .. hes gonna make shit up and do people.. simple.

The only fix's are :

a) don't ride at times / places they know about
b) write in and complain on mass...

[Toaster]

Do we have entrapment laws in NZ?
Isn't it both dangerous and entrapment when cops sit up your arse with their lights on high beam trying to goad you into racing?
Or is there another purpose to this dangerous driving technique?

You been dangling doughnuts off the back of your bike again Stranger?:innocent:

[boomer]

somtimes the baboons fight back :niceone:

:blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink::blink:: blink::blink:

[RC1]

like i said the other day in your thread noel change your day/ time/route/ then maybe it wont be a problem so much, just my 2c

[Tank]

He did a similar thing to chrislost a few weeks back on the auckland motorway, late at night, he was cruising at 95, said cop comes right up his arse, with high beams on, chris sped up to like 110 and gave him the finger out of frustration (as most of us would do to a normal car) and said cop pulls him over and throws the book at him. $1k+

Have you heard the saying - Discretion is the better part of valour.

Ask yourself - Riding with no WOF, REGO, and outside of licence conditions.

You have the option to pull to the left and let him go, or start speeding and pull the finger at him.

What one is the smart thing to do, and what one is just bloody stupid?

If people carry on like that then they will always get done for $$ after $$$$.

Anyway - to move forward:

Why not use the KB community. Apparently this copper is well known.

IF everyone who has bad instances with this guy (like the tail gaiting) got off their ass and lodged complaints (perhaps we could start a sticky thread for compaints actually lodged against this copper) it will get to the point when even the traffic powers that be will see "whoa baby - there is a problem here".

Heck - after 12 months we could use the information act to see how many formal compaints made by bikers were made against officer XXX - and that will make good reading in the Herald esp if the bastard is still on the road.


Gotta make and effort to make it work tho'

[R6_kid]

I'm pretty keen on the video evidence idea. Surely if enough of us with rear facing video cameras were able to catch him/them in the act on video then they'd be screwed. Surely you all have a camera that is capable of recording up to an hours footage - especially knowing that they only cover certain parts of the route anyway.

Surely if you aren't riding in a manor that would get you in trouble in the first place then he'd be the only one with something to worry about.

[Renegade]

maybe the copper is a closet motorcyclist and feels left out :2thumbsup so he tags along to get riding tips and then stings those that he sees can out ride him.

[mstriumph]

Its not entrapment its tailgating and it is a $150 fine for doing it. So next time it happens pull over, let them pass, note the car's rego, get on the phone to *555 and report their bad driving.
good info - shoulda stopped the thread dead in its tracks -----:(

[Biggles08]

I'm pretty keen on the video evidence idea. Surely if enough of us with rear facing video cameras were able to catch him/them in the act on video then they'd be screwed. Surely you all have a camera that is capable of recording up to an hours footage - especially knowing that they only cover certain parts of the route anyway.

Surely if you aren't riding in a manor that would get you in trouble in the first place then he'd be the only one with something to worry about.

Nope, just to correct you Gareth...in this instance he followed us all the way from old north rd to dairy flats...we stopped had a 10 min break and took off again and whatttyaknow...hes up my arse again with lights on full...then overtakes me in a 100kph zone while I was doing 105kph??? He had no red and blues on and took off ahead after the guys way in front of me. He would have been traveling at 130kph at least in my estimations.. he's a wanker and I for one will be writing a formal complaint about him....fucker!

[westie]

i know exactly what the point is.. and im looking at teh cause. The cause is that ginga tosser and NO MATTER what people do .. hes gonna make shit up and do people.. simple.

The only fix's are :

a) don't ride at times / places they know about
b) write in and complain on mass...

I think you are right. His behaviour and attitude pointed to a major boner in his pants for ruining bikers rides.;)


maybe the copper is a closet motorcyclist and feels left out :2thumbsup so he tags along to get riding tips and then stings those that he sees can out ride him.


He's a closet something for sure...


good info - shoulda stopped the thread dead in its tracks -----:(

Yea and all people are intelligent.
Sure calling in and telling them how naughty their badd ass seargent was will work for sure. Nothing personal but have you ever talked reason to a crazy person(pc) and succeeded?

[Skyryder]

i know exactly what the point is.. and im looking at teh cause. The cause is that ginga tosser and NO MATTER what people do .. hes gonna make shit up and do people.. simple.

The only fix's are :

a) don't ride at times / places they know about
b) write in and complain on mass...

Then it just sounds like a beat up. I'm a great believer of fighting fire with fire. Ya just gota get ya selves organised.



If this cop is as bad as some say then it needs to be sorted. Best way I know of is to do some filming. You will need a group of riders on call at a moments notice (weekends??) who can drop what they are doing and respond with a vid cam. Several will be better The object is to let said cop know that you are watching his every move.
Film him on the road. Film him when he is writing out tickets.
Follow his every move. Make sure that he can see you and film film and more filming I posted a thread STROPPY COP Might be a good idea to have another look. (that journo asked some pertinant questions) When he comes over and asks what you are doing tell him that is actions are dangerous and unless he improves his road safety skill there will come a time when he will not see you filming him and he will be the subject of an offical complaint. If he calls for back up don't worry there is nothing that the law can do to stop you recording. You are on a public road and providing you are not interupting traffic or acting in an unlwafull manner there is nothing that the police can do to stop you filming all their moves.

In short gentleman make his life a misery. Remember he is your servant YOU ARE NOT HIS. Have fun.

[boomer]

Then it just sounds like a beat up. I'm a great believer of fighting fire with fire. Ya just gota get ya selves organised.



If this cop is as bad as some say then it needs to be sorted. Best way I know of is to do some filming. You will need a group of riders on call at a moments notice (weekends??) who can drop what they are doing and respond with a vid cam. Several will be better The object is to let said cop know that you are watching his every move.
Film him on the road. Film him when he is writing out tickets.
Follow his every move. Make sure that he can see you and film film and more filming I posted a thread STROPPY COP Might be a good idea to have another look. (that journo asked some pertinant questions) When he comes over and asks what you are doing tell him that is actions are dangerous and unless he improves his road safety skill there will come a time when he will not see you filming him and he will be the subject of an offical complaint. If he calls for back up don't worry there is nothing that the law can do to stop you recording. You are on a public road and providing you are not interupting traffic or acting in an unlwafull manner there is nothing that the police can do to stop you filming all their moves.

In short gentleman make his life a misery. Remember he is your servant YOU ARE NOT HIS. Have fun.

You're dillusional; i see you ride a Guzzi

[Kittyhawk]

I was noodling along in my cage heading to tauranga and came up to passing lanes, dude in front was realy going slow then sped up to 120km/hr at the passing lanes, road rage kicked in so i floored it exceeding that 120 looked alonside me and it was an under cover cop.

im sure he was doing it to piss me off to the point id get caught, i slowed down (didnt over take) as soon as i saw the uniform, tucked in behind him and pouted.

:mad:

[Swoop]

What a wonderful thread. Everything out in open cyberspace where the ginger cunt can read it at his leisure.

Be smarter and organise "countermeasures" in the privacy of the "ATNR Regulars" social group area. At least it will be private and the cunt will be guessing what is being planned... unless someone allows him access.

[Morcs]

You have the option to pull to the left and let him go, or start speeding and pull the finger at him.

What one is the smart thing to do, and what one is just bloody stupid?

You obviously dont know this cop. If you pulled over to the left, he would actually pull you over and proceed to ticket you for driving too slowly.

ask kittyhawk, they did that to her one night.

[Ixion]

What a wonderful thread. Everything out in open cyberspace where the ginger cunt can read it at his leisure.

Be smarter and organise "countermeasures" in the privacy of the "ATNR Regulars" social group area. At least it will be private and the cunt will be guessing what is being planned... unless someone allows him access.

The only problem with that is that this guy is not just a menace to the ATNR folk, he is a menace to all bikers. Apparently (I have to say apparently, because I have not myself officially encountered him) he has a massive antagonism towards motorcyclists just because they ARE motorcyclists, no matter how law abiding they may be. Indeed he is probably more of a menace to those who have no part in the ATNR than those who do, since the latter will be expecting him.

As reported, his actions appear now to have crossed the boundary between agressive policing and intimidation, harrassment and dangerous driving. (I wonder about perjury, too)

There seem to be two options to me: a concerted approach to his superiors (unlikely to have any effect); or a joint complaint to the Police Whitewash Authority. Who will, of course, whitewash it, but at least it his bosses will be forced to take note of what he is doing.Boss cops do nbot like PCA complaints.

If some folk who have suffered his attentions who do NOT take prt in the ATNR could be found that would lend much credibility to the complaint .

[Renegade]

what part of the north island is this guy?, id love to come on a ride just to meet this ginger nut :soon:

[Skyryder]

You're dillusional; i see you ride a Guzzi


Your post reminds me of the attitude some have, that bikers are temporary Kiwis.

Try thinking outside the square. Buy a Guzzi and make a start.:soon:


Skyryder

[boomer]

Your post reminds me of the attitude some have, that bikers are temporary Kiwis.

Try thinking outside the square. Buy a Guzzi and make a start.:soon:


Skyryder

Your posts remind me of a pre schoolers ramblings.

now be quiet and sit down, please child

[peasea]

The only problem with that is that this guy is not just a menace to the ATNR folk, he is a menace to all bikers. Apparently (I have to say apparently, because I have not myself officially encountered him) he has a massive antagonism towards motorcyclists just because they ARE motorcyclists, no matter how law abiding they may be. Indeed he is probably more of a menace to those who have no part in the ATNR than those who do, since the latter will be expecting him.

As reported, his actions appear now to have crossed the boundary between agressive policing and intimidation, harrassment and dangerous driving. (I wonder about perjury, too)

There seem to be two options to me: a concerted approach to his superiors (unlikely to have any effect); or a joint complaint to the Police Whitewash Authority. Who will, of course, whitewash it, but at least it his bosses will be forced to take note of what he is doing.Boss cops do nbot like PCA complaints.

If some folk who have suffered his attentions who do NOT take prt in the ATNR could be found that would lend much credibility to the complaint .


Wanker pigs in the Rodney area?
Would you like me to name one?

[peasea]

As I've been privately asked to name and shame, I shall do so publicly;

Neil Winterbottom.
Rodney District (at last encounter)
Lying pig, scumbag filth.

[westie]

As I've been privately asked to name and shame, I shall do so publicly;

Neil Winterbottom.
Rodney District (at last encounter)
Lying pig, scumbag filth.

Hmm now that you have the noc list out in the open, tell us more.
Distinguishing features, atrocities to motorcycle kind?

[Skyryder]

Your posts remind me of a pre schoolers ramblings.

now be quiet and sit down, please child



:zzzz::zzzz::zzzz:


Skyryder

[Speedracer]

The kiwibiker way...

No rego = $$
No license = $$$
Dangerous riding = $$$$

110kmh Dangerous?

[Hinny]

Read my latest Ginga post on ATNR thread.
Unbelievable.

[westie]

Read my latest Ginga post on ATNR thread.
Unbelievable.

Its rediculous!

[ManDownUnder]

110kmh Dangerous?

On one wheel past a kindy in a 50kph zone....? Your call.

I was talking about the KB way. I have seen so many people leave the pub after the ATNR and accelerate no higher than 70 or 80... with one particular incidence involving a landlords ZX10 being thrown down the road as a result.

Young, dumb and full of cum.

So - question for you... and I quote...

110kmh Dangerous?

[scumdog]

As I've been privately asked to name and shame, I shall do so publicly;

Neil Winterbottom.
Rodney District (at last encounter)
Lying pig, scumbag filth.

Paradoxical yet reciprocal eh?

How one or two members of a particular group can give all the other members a bad name......:whistle:

[ManDownUnder]

KYAQlXD8Y9U

[peasea]

Paradoxical yet reciprocal eh?

How one or two members of a particular group can give all the other members a bad name......:whistle:

I stand by what I said; 100%

[Morcs]

On one wheel past a kindy in a 50kph zone....? Your call.

I was talking about the KB way. I have seen so many people leave the pub after the ATNR and accelerate no higher than 70 or 80... with one particular incidence involving a landlords ZX10 being thrown down the road as a result.

Young, dumb and full of cum.

So - question for you... and I quote...

:D

10 chars....

[scumdog]

I stand by what I said; 100%

Hey, not doubting your word in the least - I was only passing a comment about life in general.:yes:

[NighthawkNZ]

Pull over to the side then.

You have to be pretty fucking dumb if they coerce you into 'racing'.

pretty hard to pull over when you are on the motorway

[R6_kid]

Pretty hard to read the last post date and see that you're nearly 18mths overdue.

[peasea]

Pretty hard to read the last post date and see that you're nearly 18mths overdue.

That would make for one fuckin' large baby........

[Dave Lobster]

That would make for one fuckin' large baby........

Imagine how much KFC it would get through...

[peasea]

Imagine how much KFC it would get through...

That, some foreshore, a few pine trees and a kupla hectares of golf course.


Faaark, it's never ending. And........they weren't even here first!

"They've been raping and pillaging our land...." etc ad infinitum. Whose land? Talk to Mister and Missus Mori Ori about whose land it is, the Celts etc.....

[The Stranger]

Whose land?

No ones.
It was here long before any of us and it will be here long after we're gone.

[peasea]

No ones.
It was here long before any of us and it will be here long after we're gone.

Hey dude, even though you can't see this.........

I take my hat off to you.