08 ninja 250 vs 92 mc22.

[The Pastor]

from http://www.motorbikes.be/en/Kawasaki_Ninja_250R_2008.aspx
2008 NINJA 250R
Power = 33bhp.
Torque = 22nm
Dry weight = 155kg

from the maintance guide book cbr 250
Written By: DOS–Boy
Date: 25th March 2001
Updated: 28th September 2003
Email: dos_boy250@hotmail.com
Title Art Work by: “Unknown”
Model Photos : www.honda.co.jp
Web Site: www.cbr250.com (Rory’s page)

Max Power : (BHP = PS * 0.986) (kW = BHP * 0.7457)
CBR250(F) : 45PS at 14,500rpm
CBR250R(H+J+K) : 45PS at 15,000rpm
CBR250RR(L+N) : 45PS at 15,000rpm
CBR250RR(R) : 40PS at 14,500rpm
Max Torque : (Lb/ft = kg/m * 7.233) (Nm = kg/m * 9.804)
CBR250(F) : 2.5kg/m at 10,500rpm
CBR250R(H+J+K) : 2.6kg/m at 10,500rpm
CBR250RR(L+N) : 2.5kg/m at 12,000rpm
CBR250RR(R) : 2.4kg/m at 11,500rpm
Weight (Dry) :
CBR250(F) : 153kg (77kg – Front, 76kg – Rear)
CBR250R(H) : 155kg (78kg – Front, 77kg – Rear)
CBR250R(J+K) : 154kg (77kg – Front, 77kg – Rear)
CBR250RR(L+N) : 157kg (80kg – Front, 77kg – Rear)
CBR250RR(R) : 158kg (81kg – Front, 77kg – Rear)

So there you have it. Kawasaki could not improve over Honda in 16 years. Nice one kawasaki.

[Maki]

You generally get what you pay for. Pay more, get more. How much would you have to pay for a NEW CBR250? The Honda is a nice bike, but you have to take value for money into account. How much was a CBR250RR new in 1992? How much is that today? ($5000 in 1992 = $7040 in 2008)

[breakaway]

I wonder if emissions come into it at all. Also I wonder why they didn't put fuel injection into the new 250 ninja.


So there you have it. Kawasaki could not improve over Honda in 16 years. Nice one kawasaki.

What? Didn't they make this though? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Ninja_ZX-2R I don't think the point of the Ninja 250R was to be a balls to the wall sport bike.

[Romeo]

Top speed of 160KPH+ and <acronym title="Theoretical 540KM range on a full tank">30KPL</acronym>, call me a wimp, but I'll take a new 250R over an old MC22.

That said, they're built for different tasks and if Honda were to suddenly restart production on the MC22's I'd be first in line.

[TimeOut]

So there you have it. Kawasaki could not improve over Honda in 16 years. Nice one kawasaki.


Compare apples with apples, what are the ratings for the 08 Honda.

The 92 bikes are pretty similar

[fatzx10r]

the kwaka is only a twin & the honda is a four that pull's big rev's......... then it explodes, two different types of bikes really. would be like comparing the hp of my bike to say a vtr 1000.

[cowboyz]

because the only thing that makes improvement is outright power?

what about style? comfort? the chick draw factor? Bet it is alot easier to get laid pulling up on a 08 ninja than a crappy 20 yr old honda.

[breakaway]

Bet it is alot easier to get laid pulling up on a 08 ninja than a crappy 20 yr old honda.

Heh good one

/s

[Coyote]

So there you have it. Kawasaki could not improve over Honda in 16 years. Nice one kawasaki.
That's because the engine in the 250R is the engine from the old GPX which hadn't been improved for 20 years. Plus it's a parallel twin rather than an inline 4. All they did was gloss up an old bike. And it hasn't helped bring down the prices of the old 250's. Here's hoping a law change might if that ever happens.

what about style? comfort? the chick draw factor? Bet it is alot easier to get laid pulling up on a 08 ninja than a crappy 20 yr old honda.
My old MC22 got a fair bit of attention. Even my VFR last year got people at my school thinking it was a brand new bike. The thing is most bike illiterate girls aren't going to know the MC22 is 15 years older than a 250R, they're going to just see it as a sportsbike. Not that I've had any help getting chicks by having a bike, they're all into cars...

[Morcs]

And my single cylinder chook chaser owns the ninja too. and the cbr off the line :)

[The Pastor]

I wonder if emissions come into it at all. Also I wonder why they didn't put fuel injection into the new 250 ninja.



What? Didn't they make this though? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_Ninja_ZX-2R I don't think the point of the Ninja 250R was to be a balls to the wall sport bike.

Emissions, could of had an effect, but they had 16 years to figure that one out.

If it looks like a sports bike, it will be classified as a sports bike.
If it is not a sports bike, yet looks like one, its a poser's bike.


Top speed of 160KPH+ and <acronym title="Theoretical 540KM range on a full tank">30KPL</acronym>, call me a wimp, but I'll take a new 250R over an old MC22.

That said, they're built for different tasks and if Honda were to suddenly restart production on the MC22's I'd be first in line.

mc22 tops out at 200 clicks. Although 30km/l is over double what mine gets. but only fags and girls care about efficacy.


Compare apples with apples, what are the ratings for the 08 Honda.

The 92 bikes are pretty similar

its 16 years more advanced, at least it should be.


the kwaka is only a twin & the honda is a four that pull's big rev's......... then it explodes, two different types of bikes really. would be like comparing the hp of my bike to say a vtr 1000.

The new ninja is very comparable to the mc22. They both have the same power and weight. number of cylinders doesn't come into it.


because the only thing that makes improvement is outright power?

what about style? comfort? the chick draw factor? Bet it is alot easier to get laid pulling up on a 08 ninja than a crappy 20 yr old honda.

Unlike some people (i.e., you) i bought my bike to ride it, not to be a poser. If you have to rely on possessions to get you woman, you should take a long hard look in the mirror and ask youself "why am i so gay?"

[dave_a]

from http://www.motorbikes.be/en/Kawasaki_Ninja_250R_2008.aspx
2008 NINJA 250R
Power = 33bhp.
Torque = 22nm
Dry weight = 155kg

from the maintance guide book cbr 250
Written By: DOS–Boy
Date: 25th March 2001
Updated: 28th September 2003
Email: dos_boy250@hotmail.com
Title Art Work by: “Unknown”
Model Photos : www.honda.co.jp
Web Site: www.cbr250.com (Rory’s page)

Max Power : (BHP = PS * 0.986) (kW = BHP * 0.7457)
CBR250(F) : 45PS at 14,500rpm
CBR250R(H+J+K) : 45PS at 15,000rpm
CBR250RR(L+N) : 45PS at 15,000rpm
CBR250RR(R) : 40PS at 14,500rpm
Max Torque : (Lb/ft = kg/m * 7.233) (Nm = kg/m * 9.804)
CBR250(F) : 2.5kg/m at 10,500rpm
CBR250R(H+J+K) : 2.6kg/m at 10,500rpm
CBR250RR(L+N) : 2.5kg/m at 12,000rpm
CBR250RR(R) : 2.4kg/m at 11,500rpm
Weight (Dry) :
CBR250(F) : 153kg (77kg – Front, 76kg – Rear)
CBR250R(H) : 155kg (78kg – Front, 77kg – Rear)
CBR250R(J+K) : 154kg (77kg – Front, 77kg – Rear)
CBR250RR(L+N) : 157kg (80kg – Front, 77kg – Rear)
CBR250RR(R) : 158kg (81kg – Front, 77kg – Rear)

So there you have it. Kawasaki could not improve over Honda in 16 years. Nice one kawasaki.


your a muppet, your saying its better because its faster, its a 250 ffs you mine aswell go piss in the wind. there both slow as shit

if you want speed get a 600

this guy could almost be the new skidmark

[The Pastor]

Never said it was a faster bike or not.

Just said on paper kawasaki cant improve on what they (as well as honda) made 16 years ago.

Also, my mc22 has no problems keeping up with most riders on larger bikes, just ask ducati hard (on a 996 or was it 999?) who gave him the lean round the coro that one time :D

[Romeo]

mc22 tops out at 200 clicks. Although 30km/l is over double what mine gets. but only fags and girls care about efficacy.

As you say, I'm no fag, I don't care about <acronym title="In lighting design, 'efficacy' refers to the amount of luminous flux produced by a lamp.">efficacy</acronym>. However, I DO care about efficiency, and getting 500KMs from a 18L tank is very appealing to me. I'd rather save the gas money I don't spend for my next big bike ;D!

I mean come on, how often do you actually ride above 140kph?
Unless you're a <acronym title="SkidMark for example">scratchin' GOD</acronym> you wont be getting your knee down on any 70kph+ corners on a 250, so what's the big deal over top-end?

0 - 100KPH
Ninja 250R: 5.75 seconds
MC22: 5.2 +- seconds
'72 CB175: ∞ - _{bike incapable of 100kph}

[R6_kid]

I wonder if the Kawasaki design team had the goal of improving over the CBR250RR in the first place - I think not.

Truth be told Scott, if Kawasaki wanted to make a new ZX2R, it'd would piss like a fucking horse all over the CBR. Of course it'd cost more than an RS250, and with technology the way it is these days, i'd almost hazard a guess and say that a brand new full spec 250 sports aka 'like a race bike' bike would be faster than an RS250 anyway.

What you need to realise is that the Ninja 250R is a re-hash on the GPX250 which has been around 20 years. It would appear that it is a grand improvement on that particular bike, the one would think it is to replace or do better than.

[Maki]

Come on, tell us how much a CBR250 cost in 1992. If it was less than $5000 I guess you are right. I don't think so though. I suspect it cost more in the ball park of a modern 600.

[sinister^]

because the only thing that makes improvement is outright power?

what about style? comfort? the chick draw factor? Bet it is alot easier to get laid pulling up on a 08 ninja than a crappy 20 yr old honda.

Mate, you don't get laid having a bike. (Thats why I bought a car:banana:"

[Capinure]

Anyways, Does anyone have any idea why they have stoped making Inline four 250's?

[cowboyz]

Unlike some people (i.e., you) i bought my bike to ride it, not to be a poser. If you have to rely on possessions to get you woman, you should take a long hard look in the mirror and ask youself "why am i so gay?"


Mate. You wouldnt realise this so I will let you in on a little secret.

When you are this good looking you stay away from mirrors otherwise you find yourself running out of time in the day to do other stuff.


Mate, you don't get laid having a bike. (Thats why I bought a car:banana:"


So young, so much to learn. IF you have a car you have to take them home. Plus you cant do a top gun impression riding up to their house.
(music may only be in your head but others should still get the point)

Anyways, Does anyone have any idea why they have stoped making Inline four 250's?

Several theorys.

The japs made rules to limit HP. The found there was no reason to build a IL4 anymore
It probably costs the same to build a IL4 600 as a IL4 250.

[micron1]

You guys are crazy...in a goodway :) I live in the US where I just bought an imported CBR250R from Australia or Hastralia if I'm zohan. We wish we could get cool bikes like these as you guys get...R government is strict! I owned a 88' ninja 250 & there's no comparison. Although the ninja's R fun . Understand that the CBR250's were modeled after the RC160 Honda Race GP Bikes from 1960's. They were GP champions for years, even yamaha 2 strokes couldn't beat them. They were the very first to develop a 19k RPM bike, 4 cylinders, gear driven cams....& yes they cost more to make than a 600 of the same year. Aluminum frame, Gullarm swing arm and 6 spoke Alum wheels adopted from NSR 250. Imagine the 45WHP on a 1990 250RR is the same as 180whp on a new 2008 R1!! By the way, I heard the 08' 250 ninja has EFI in other countries, usa didn't get it because of cost as always. The ZX2R was kawasaki's answer to copying the honda, as yamaha did with fzr250 and suzuki with the gsxr250. All 4 cyl, high revs.

[skidMark]

zxr 1989 specs...

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suck a fat one scotty. :niceone:

[skidMark]

because the only thing that makes improvement is outright power?

what about style? comfort? the chick draw factor? Bet it is alot easier to get laid pulling up on a 08 ninja than a crappy 20 yr old honda.


NONONO easier for RM to get laid with the Honda cus hes a fag.

[yod]

Mate. You wouldnt realise this so I will let you in on a little secret.

When you are this good looking you stay away from mirrors otherwise you find yourself running out of time in the day to do other stuff.


yeah i had to throw all mine out too

[Ragingrob]

zxr 1989 specs...

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suck a fat one scotty. :niceone:

He's not trying to prove that a CBR is better than a ZXR of the same age. He's saying that the new kwaka hasn't improved on the old.

[skidMark]

You guys are crazy...in a goodway :) I live in the US where I just bought an imported CBR250R from Australia or Hastralia if I'm zohan. We wish we could get cool bikes like these as you guys get...R government is strict! I owned a 88' ninja 250 & there's no comparison. Although the ninja's R fun . Understand that the CBR250's were modeled after the RC160 Honda Race GP Bikes from 1960's. They were GP champions for years, even yamaha 2 strokes couldn't beat them. They were the very first to develop a 19k RPM bike, 4 cylinders, gear driven cams....& yes they cost more to make than a 600 of the same year. Aluminum frame, Gullarm swing arm and 6 spoke Alum wheels adopted from NSR 250. Imagine the 45WHP on a 1990 250RR is the same as 180whp on a new 2008 R1!! By the way, I heard the 08' 250 ninja has EFI in other countries, usa didn't get it because of cost as always. The ZX2R was kawasaki's answer to copying the honda, as yamaha did with fzr250 and suzuki with the gsxr250. All 4 cyl, high revs.


RWHP on both cbr and zxr is only 35 bhp

the 45 quoted for both is HP at the crankshaft.

There is no such thing as a zx-2r

There is zxr250.

Then somebody did a photoshop drawing saying the zx-2r would be the new one.

then all the nubs starting repainting thier crashed zxr's and putting zx-2r graphics on them.

as i said nubs.

i could go into more info but quite frankly i cannot be fucked.

This is a discussion that has been had a million times over.

People need to just agree to disagree and shut up.

[skidMark]

He's not trying to prove that a CBR is better than a ZXR of the same age. He's saying that the new kwaka hasn't improved on the old.


Ahhh but the new quaka isnt even designed to be in the same league as the cbr...thats what the zxr was, the new ninja 250r runs the same base powerplant as the 1987-2006 gpx 250 and the 1992-1998 zzr 250's

he cannot say the old cbr is better than the new kawasaki.

As the new kawasaki is not meant to be a go fast sports bike.

Fact is kawsaki zxr will sit up a cbrs arse and scotty knows it because i rode with him and had to keep waiting

Kawasaki does not need to bring out anything to catch the cbr because they already did in 1989.

and in 1989 the zxr pissed on the current cbr mc19 of the time.

not until 1990 did honda go oh shit and bring out the cbr mc21 and then mc 22.

it was infact honda that had the catching up to do

Honda right now do not even have a competitor to the ninja 250r. as there are bigger fish to fry.

instead they get some el cheapo manufacturer to churn out cbr 125's or 150's or whatever they are and say there u go, honda small cc commuter.

anyways over the discussion....been through it too many times.

USD's FTW.

Yes i'm kinda drunk.

Cry me a river.:whocares:

[McJim]

What a troll.

Hi, the 2008 Holden Vectra just doesn't seem to be as quick at the Ford GT40 from 1966. FFS. How come even after 38 years Holden can't get it right?

FFS RM. What have you been smoking?

[Ragingrob]

Ok Mark well I wasn't arguing any point, I was merely pointing out to ya that you weren't exactly on topic.

[bungbung]

It's pretty irrelevant if you cannot buy a cbr/zxr/fzr new. Face it, what is available new atm?

Singles: cb250, scorpio, gn or chook chasers
Twins: hyobag or the new ninja.

At this rate, it won't be long and the il4's will be 30 years old

The 250R is starting to look pretty good

[The Pastor]

It's pretty irrelevant if you cannot buy a cbr/zxr/fzr new. Face it, what is available new atm?

Singles: cb250, scorpio, gn or chook chasers
Twins: hyobag or the new ninja.

At this rate, it won't be long and the il4's will be 30 years old

The 250R is starting to look pretty good
Unless you want to go fast.

[The Pastor]

What a troll.

Hi, the 2008 Holden Vectra just doesn't seem to be as quick at the Ford GT40 from 1966. FFS. How come even after 38 years Holden can't get it right?

FFS RM. What have you been smoking?

Not quite the same,

the new ninja 250r is a sports bike. It is not a road bike.

Don't know what you've been smoking.

[The Pastor]

zxr 1989 specs...

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suck a fat one scotty. :niceone:

lol looks like you've been sucking the fat ones mate, 3.8 seconds for a 250? Get off the grass (weed)

[FJRider]

lol looks like you've been sucking the fat ones mate, 3.8 seconds for a 250? Get off the grass (weed)

Stop piss'n round talking about "learner's" bikes. get with the game, talk about REAL bikes....

[The Pastor]

wtf get out of club 250 noob.

its not what you ride, its how you ride, and i'll give you the learn anyday.

[FJRider]

Yea sure boy walker

[CHOPPA]

wtf get out of club 250 noob.

its not what you ride, its how you ride, and i'll give you the learn anyday.

Yeah the new ninja is slow but its perfect for my sister as a learner bike, id never have her riding a bike 20 years old with a million ks on the clock, when she is a good enough rider ie by the time she gets her full she will get something fast, in my opinion if you want a fastish 250 get an rs250.

I would way sooner ride a 250f motard bike bike if i was on my learners

[The Pastor]

Yeah the new ninja is slow but its perfect for my sister as a learner bike, id never have her riding a bike 20 years old with a million ks on the clock, when she is a good enough rider ie by the time she gets her full she will get something fast, in my opinion if you want a fastish 250 get an rs250.

I would way sooner ride a 250f motard bike bike if i was on my learners
yeah but 2 strokes sports bikes are only good on the track imho, you can't commute on them.

and they are kinda expensive.

[micron1]

You can't knock honda with kawi....Honda was the FIRST to figure out how to design multi cylinder engines that made more power. Kawi and the rest copied them to make $! The ZX2 is a little lighter, but same HP. In the 60's Honda has the 4 & 6 cylinder 250's...where was kawi then? 250RR Honda adopted the NSR racing heritage with the gullarm swing, Alum frame.. etc. Kawi's ZX2..... Unitrak vs. Gullarm....kawi dirtbikes have unitrak. Honda isn't using prolink on the 250RR : )

ZXR250 aka ZX2R (australia) wikipedia. Honda has millions in R&D into these bikes....for racing. Not for making money from the public. Ninja 250 is fun, but inexpensive....ask any kawi dealer...kawi makes more $$$ on that bike than any other they sell.

Honda has the RVF400 , RC30, CBX 6 cylinder, CX turbo bikes, NR500 Oval piston....all original honda designs!! racing heritage. Ninja 250 is Just a fun bike. Most people will tell you, for 250's, 08' ninja....unless u can get your hands on a cbr250rr or like. :rockon::rockon:






yeah but 2 strokes sports bikes are only good on the track imho, you can't commute on them.

and they are kinda expensive.

[vindy500]

wow my 88 honda prelude was faster than my girlfiends 97 toyota corolla, 9 years and the prelude was still a better car! (when it was going)

[FJRider]

New'er doesn't mean better...the kid's on the block take a while to learn

[The Pastor]

New'er doesn't mean better...the kid's on the block take a while to learn
What are you talking about, you live out in the sticks, you dont have blocks.

[FJRider]

What are you talking about, you live out in the sticks, you dont have blocks.

We do too...but they vary in distance from 160 km's, to 600 km's. Far to far for kiddie's like you...if you had a bike...and licence.

[The Pastor]

We do too...but they vary in distance from 160 km's, to 600 km's. Far to far for kiddie's like you...if you had a bike...and licence.
I have a bike and a licence, and I prefer the long distance rides.

[skidMark]

wtf get out of club 250 noob.

its not what you ride, its how you ride, and i'll give you the learn anyday.


We are talking about riding motorbikes scotty, not gay boys.

[The Pastor]

We are talking about riding motorbikes scotty, not gay boys.
Oh, im SO confused!

[FJRider]

I have a bike and a licence, and I prefer the long distance rides.

1st weekend in DECEMBER, Chatto Creek 1000 MILER, start time NOON...finish time by NOON the next day...1635 km's in 24 hours. I've finished FIVE. The last four years consecutively. Come on down and join us. The smallest bike to complete it was a 175cc (yamaha I think)...see ya there ???

[The Pastor]

1st weekend in DECEMBER, Chatto Creek 1000 MILER, start time NOON...finish time by NOON the next day...1635 km's in 24 hours. I've finished FIVE. The last four years consecutively. Come on down and join us. The smallest bike to complete it was a 175cc (yamaha I think)...see ya there ???
I couldnt even afford the cook striaght crossing :(

[FJRider]

I couldnt even afford the cook striaght crossing :(

Do a "SkidMark" and come south ?????

[The Pastor]

Do a "SkidMark" and come south ?????
how did he afford it? didnt he sell his bike to go?

[FJRider]

Ask HIM... Take the BIGGEST risk of your life...and start figuring out how you can DO it. Start with NOTHING, and the ONLY way to go... is up (or SOUTH). Post a message or pm me, if you REALLY are thinking about YOUR options...

[The Pastor]

There is the 1000 miler GC in the NI too. Which i hope to beable to complete one day.

I want to do a 2 or 3 day tour of the SI one day - atm im savng up for a new bike, not sure how much more km my 250 will make

but atm im just a poor worker / uni student - im in no rush to do anything other than - finish uni, pay off uni, fix my bike.

All of which cost the $$ which i dont have - but will have in a few years.

[FJRider]

1000 miler's change your opinions and idea's on so many issues, and levels. So much so, life will NEVER be the same...EVER again. Just to complete ONE is worth putting on YOUR cv. Determination and persistance, with a dose of pig-headedness will get you home (usually). You will learn things about yourself ...YOU NEVER KNEW. AND, you will gain RESPECT from people you never gave a shit about...believe me !!! IT IS NOT ABOUT SPEED to FINISH. Its all down to you.

[mark247]

If i really had to choose id still go for the Honda definately, the engine in the cbr is a really strong engine, way better than the old fzr250 of the same era for example. They are a fantastic bike.

And who the hell cares about comfort on the sport bike, if you want comfort go buy a hyosung with its massive handles bars and a seat off a goldwing.

Parallel twin 250 makes me cringe. But i suppose if you want a new bike, and all the stuff that goes with having a brand new bike, then they are basically the only way to go if you want a sporty good looking 250.

[micron1]

Very True about the twin!! lots of people that aren't into racing forget the torque aspect of engines...thinking only of WHP!! More cylinders is better....the ninja 250 had 12lbs of torque, the new 08' has been boosted to 14lbs. Well the CBR250's had 18-19lbs depending on the year. So your talking about 25 vs 35whp, but also 50% more torque. So 40% more WHP....50% more torque...that makes a big difference! Even the kawi ZXR250 had 18lbs torque but at 11.5K rpm, not 19lbs at 10.5rpm....more torque early in the game for the cbr250's. :) Not to mention when honda built the 6 cylinder 250 in the 1960's....it had 66hp. I've never heard of a 4-stroke 250 thats better than that & that was 45 years ago! ...Racing heritage! :2thumbsup






If i really had to choose id still go for the Honda definately, the engine in the cbr is a really strong engine, way better than the old fzr250 of the same era for example. They are a fantastic bike.

And who the hell cares about comfort on the sport bike, if you want comfort go buy a hyosung with its massive handles bars and a seat off a goldwing.

Parallel twin 250 makes me cringe. But i suppose if you want a new bike, and all the stuff that goes with having a brand new bike, then they are basically the only way to go if you want a sporty good looking 250.

[FilthyLuka]

the new ninja 250r is a sports bike. It is not a road bike.


:rofl:

The ninja 250R was an improvement on the GPX250, which is exactly what it did.

200kp/h on a CBR250? Yah, with a down hill and some tailwind maybe...

And 250cc power? A cbr250 puts out about 35 horses at the wheel, i had the GN cranking 34 at the tyre at one point. The point here being that it Really Doesn't Matter (tm) its a 250 at the end of the day.

Like someone mentioned a while ago, if you want to go fast on a 250, get a two stroke. Everything else is just an exersize in futility.

[The Pastor]

:rofl:

The ninja 250R was an improvement on the GPX250, which is exactly what it did.

200kp/h on a CBR250? Yah, with a down hill and some tailwind maybe...

And 250cc power? A cbr250 puts out about 35 horses at the wheel, i had the GN cranking 34 at the tyre at one point. The point here being that it Really Doesn't Matter (tm) its a 250 at the end of the day.

Like someone mentioned a while ago, if you want to go fast on a 250, get a two stroke. Everything else is just an exersize in futility.
howd you get 34 horsies out of a gn? did u make a thread about it?

[vtec]

This thread is a crack up. GPX is an 80's commuter bike. The new one with fuel injection won't be much sportier if at all, but more reliable.

The CBR250RR is trackworthy and really quite quick and a butt load of fun. It can do close to 200kph drafting RGV's and 400's (or heavily modified 250 4's) in stock standard setup whilst also being 18 years old. The RS250 would be noticeably quicker but they are only about as quick as RGV's, so a good rider on a CBR250 would actually be quicker than an average rider on an RS250, and for all the issues that you have to deal with on a 2 stroke for me it wasn't worth the trouble. I started on an ex racing RGV Pepsi replica, and "downgraded" to a CBR250RR which to me is a better bike in so many ways even if it's not quite as powerful. Since then I've raced 600's and had track time on things as big as a Hayabusa and I'm now back racing CBR250RR's in Australia and winning prize money (even though mine is stock and was bought as a write off with some issues and the other's I'm up against are modified).

Seriously if you've got one of the old 250 4's then you've done a good thing. They are some of the best overall bikes. Amazing in the twisties awesome brakes, very average suspension but it doesn't seem to matter because they are soo light. And for some reason despite the extraordinarily high revs they just (the Hondas that is) seem to keep on going.

Power at the wheels on the CBR's is about 35-36. The guys I'm racing who've modified their bikes are getting about 38-39hp. They weight about 150kg's wet. 0-100 in 5.0 seconds approx. Someone got stats on the GPX's? Anyway, they suspension geometry's on the GPX are not really performance focussed so they won't be as good around corners, and don't they have a single front disc? Weak braking?

Who said a GN had 34 at the wheel? hahahaha, that's brilliant. they'd be lucky to have 11hp at the wheel. Anyone got stats?

I've done a lot of posts like this in the past. One day I'll give up.

[disenfranchised]

Who said a GN had 34 at the wheel? hahahaha, that's brilliant. they'd be lucky to have 11hp at the wheel. Anyone got stats?

I think you'll find he said he had his GN putting out 34....not stock standard at all.

I'm still convinced that horsepower is an irrelevant number, and quoting torque as a single figure is pointless too.

So the numbers game just isn't worth playing.
Ride whatever suits ya

[FilthyLuka]

howd you get 34 horsies out of a gn? did u make a thread about it?

With a great degree of difficulty. Theres a few posts about it around. No thread though.



Who said a GN had 34 at the wheel? hahahaha, that's brilliant. they'd be lucky to have 11hp at the wheel.

See above. Its very much possible.

[micron1]

This thread is a crack up. GPX is an 80's commuter bike. The new one with fuel injection won't be much sportier if at all, but more reliable.

The CBR250RR is trackworthy and really quite quick and a butt load of fun. It can do close to 200kph drafting RGV's and 400's (or heavily modified 250 4's) in stock standard setup whilst also being 18 years old. The RS250 would be noticeably quicker but they are only about as quick as RGV's, so a good rider on a CBR250 would actually be quicker than an average rider on an RS250, and for all the issues that you have to deal with on a 2 stroke for me it wasn't worth the trouble. I started on an ex racing RGV Pepsi replica, and "downgraded" to a CBR250RR which to me is a better bike in so many ways even if it's not quite as powerful. Since then I've raced 600's and had track time on things as big as a Hayabusa and I'm now back racing CBR250RR's in Australia and winning prize money (even though mine is stock and was bought as a write off with some issues and the other's I'm up against are modified).

Seriously if you've got one of the old 250 4's then you've done a good thing. They are some of the best overall bikes. Amazing in the twisties awesome brakes, very average suspension but it doesn't seem to matter because they are soo light. And for some reason despite the extraordinarily high revs they just (the Hondas that is) seem to keep on going.

Power at the wheels on the CBR's is about 35-36. The guys I'm racing who've modified their bikes are getting about 38-39hp. They weight about 150kg's wet. 0-100 in 5.0 seconds approx. Someone got stats on the GPX's? Anyway, they suspension geometry's on the GPX are not really performance focussed so they won't be as good around corners, and don't they have a single front disc? Weak braking?

Who said a GN had 34 at the wheel? hahahaha, that's brilliant. they'd be lucky to have 11hp at the wheel. Anyone got stats?

I've done a lot of posts like this in the past. One day I'll give up.
Vtec, what kind of mods are they running for the extra ponies on the MC22? I'm guessing exhaust, but what else?

[vtec]

Vtec, what kind of mods are they running for the extra ponies on the MC22? I'm guessing exhaust, but what else?

Yeah, fancy exhaust systems and extractors, cut open airboxes, rejetting and a good dynotune.

One of the guys is running a Kawasaki Balius 250 with 38 hp at the wheel. But he's skimmed his head, put zxr cams in it, bigger carbs, and dynotuned.

I think I'm the only one running a stock bike.

[The Pastor]

I've done all that to my mc22 apart from skimming the head + dyno tune, that will prob be the next step tho.

Best bet to make your bike faster? Suspension.

Lists of mods ive done

Larger rear sprocket.
Emulators in forks.
Up size jets
Get rid completely of airbox (running open carbs)
Full custom chambers exhaust (larger diameter headers and collector free flowing mufler)
Racing cams in it (at least thats what the guy said when I bought it)
new bar ends

Mods being done

Full paint job.

Mods to be done:

Skim the head?
dynotune (really need to do this!)
Let rob loose on my rear suspension.

Non mod work to be done:

Engine rebuild (piston rings head gasket etc)
Valves checked + adjusted

When its back on the road, its going to be a 600-1000cc killa :D (i.e., out corner them / keep up with them!).

Always love it when you get off on at a gas station and someone riding a ducati 999 says "is that 600 or 400?" eh ducatihard :D

[ZK-Awesome]

0 - 100KPH
Ninja 250R: 5.75 seconds
MC22: 5.2 +- seconds
'72 CB175: ∞ - bike incapable of 100kph

Was anyone else surprised when he said his cb175 doesnt do 100? I thought it would easily...?

[imdying]

It's not a fair comparison.

One is a learner/commuter bike tarted up to appeal to young guys, built in an era of 'you must not pollute', and designed to be able to be sold in world market.

The other is basically a scaled down super sport, built in an era where pollution wasn't on the radar, and was only ever to be sold in the Japanese market.

Other than being a 250 with fairings, they have little in common.

I'm guessing the reason that the Ninja is being choked is the 33bhp limit in the UK? Given that the CBR250 is also choked due to the laws in Japan at the time of its construction, then really neither is showing its true potential in any case.

[The Pastor]

the 45hp the mc22 is claimed to have = 180hp/L.

Came out in 1989.

Pretty cool heh?

[cowboyz]

especially if you put a 21 Litre tank on it. Thats 3780 Horses but if must feel a bit weak after going on reserve with only 4 litres left.

[The Pastor]

especially if you put a 21 Litre tank on it. Thats 3780 Horses but if must feel a bit weak after going on reserve with only 4 litres left.
Yeah, I run my oil in my tank like a 2stoke so I get an extra 400hp.

[megaphat]

It's not a fair comparison.
One is a learner/commuter bike tarted up to appeal to young guys, built in an era of 'you must not pollute', and designed to be able to be sold in world market.

The other is basically a scaled down super sport, built in an era where pollution wasn't on the radar, and was only ever to be sold in the Japanese market.

Other than being a 250 with fairings, they have little in common.

I'm guessing the reason that the Ninja is being choked is the 33bhp limit in the UK? Given that the CBR250 is also choked due to the laws in Japan at the time of its construction, then really neither is showing its true potential in any case.

I agree on both those points. People have said that the CBR250 series was a test mule for honda's later technologies in the bigger bikes (DOHC, 4 valves etc). It was limited to 45hp due to japanese law (then 40hp after 1993). But still a very fast bike for those limited to 250cc motorcycles (many people in japan). Bearing in mind, those HP figures are at the crank.

But in the last 15 years, the world has become more restrictive. Catalytic converters, learner laws, peer pressure etc. You end up with a 2008 ninja 250r which produces 25hp atw. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lam_T3bDcBk
This compares with the ~33 to ~39hp seen on stock CBR250RR's. So you could have 50% more power on a pre 1994 CBR250RR (over a new 2008 ninja), IF it hasn't lost too many horses.
Don't kid yourself on that one. An old, run down bike won't be as fast as the same new bike. But if its well maintained and holds pressure, maybe.

Interestingly europe gets a fuel injected version of the 2008 ninja. It has slightly less power, but i'm sure the effort saved (in starting/running/maintaining) is worth it. Now THAT might make me give up my mc22.

[The Pastor]

It's not a fair comparison.


Wrong, they both compete for the same customers.

The customer has the choice.

Mc22

or 08ninja 250.

Therefore, you can and rightfully compare the two.

You can't compare large cc sports bikes to a cruisers as they target differnt markets.

You can compare a sports (mc22) to a sports look a like (250 ninja 08).

You can compare a sports 250 to a crusier 250 as they target the same market (being learners).

Its the way things work.

[vtec]

Hey renegade master, just in case you try. You can't skim the head on CBR250 engine, or any engine with gear driven cams. The only reason why they can on the kawasaki's is because they have chain driven cams with a chain tensioner. The advantage with skimming the head is that it increases the compression ratio... at the cost of engine life and the increased risk of valves hitting pistons. Don't bother. The factories did great jobs on the stock engines.

And the CBR250RR is about 5.0seconds 0-100kph not the 5.2 quoted. I'm sure with a light rider and some talent it would go under 5 seconds. Maybe I could do it even with my 70kg mass.

The fuel injected GPX250 is very similar horsepower to the carbed one I've read somewhere.

Hmm that's a good theory. A test mule. Well they were built to an extremely high (racey) standard for a road focussed bike. I'm not sure why, I just know that it wasn't very profitable making the CBR250RR's. I was about as quick on my 250RR as HDTBoy was on his 400RR around Manfeild. They are an amazing little machine. Last time I raced it (Taupo short circuit) in F3 I came seventh out of 24 bikes, none of the 400's beat me, only 6 SV650's out of the field.

Also, if they have compression they should be running pretty much full power. The weakest 250RR I've come across is the one I'm racing in Aussie at the moment. I bought it as a write off, and the oil was like tar when I changed it. Smokes a bit more than the average too. But I've still won the 250 4stroke class on it here at Philip Island. Noticeably slower than the other 250's though. So even at 20 years old, if they've had their oil changes they should still be near full power at 100,000k's. My one's got 50,000k's but obviously hasn't been looked after.

[The Pastor]

Hey renegade master, just in case you try. You can't skim the head on CBR250 engine, or any engine with gear driven cams. The only reason why they can on the kawasaki's is because they have chain driven cams with a chain tensioner. The advantage with skimming the head is that it increases the compression ratio... at the cost of engine life and the increased risk of valves hitting pistons. Don't bother. The factories did great jobs on the stock engines.

And the CBR250RR is about 5.0seconds 0-100kph not the 5.2 quoted. I'm sure with a light rider and some talent it would go under 5 seconds. Maybe I could do it even with my 70kg mass.

The fuel injected GPX250 is very similar horsepower to the carbed one I've read somewhere.

Hmm that's a good theory. A test mule. Well they were built to an extremely high (racey) standard for a road focussed bike. I'm not sure why, I just know that it wasn't very profitable making the CBR250RR's. I was about as quick on my 250RR as HDTBoy was on his 400RR around Manfeild. They are an amazing little machine. Last time I raced it (Taupo short circuit) in F3 I came seventh out of 24 bikes, none of the 400's beat me, only 6 SV650's out of the field.

Also, if they have compression they should be running pretty much full power. The weakest 250RR I've come across is the one I'm racing in Aussie at the moment. I bought it as a write off, and the oil was like tar when I changed it. Smokes a bit more than the average too. But I've still won the 250 4stroke class on it here at Philip Island. Noticeably slower than the other 250's though. So even at 20 years old, if they've had their oil changes they should still be near full power at 100,000k's. My one's got 50,000k's but obviously hasn't been looked after.
Yeah, i can't wait to get on the track.

[imdying]

One is a learner/commuter bike tarted up to appeal to young guys, built in an era of 'you must not pollute', and designed to be able to be sold in world market.

The other is basically a scaled down super sport, built in an era where pollution wasn't on the radar, and was only ever to be sold in the Japanese market.
Wrong, they both compete for the same customers.No, they were both aimed at different markets. Who their second hand market customers are doesn't matter a shit, if it wasn't for the people who brought them originally, there would be no second hand bikes anyway.

[The Pastor]

No, they were both aimed at different markets. Who their second hand market customers are doesn't matter a shit, if it wasn't for the people who brought them originally, there would be no second hand bikes anyway.
the mc22 was built for the learner market in japan.

and who gives a shit what the company wanted anyway.

the facts are this, people want a learner bike.

They are going to compare the mc22 to the new ninja. (unless they dont research the bikes, and just buy one with no real thought put into it :D)