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Marknz
30th May 2008, 22:20
Ant West quickest in a wet Friday free practice.
'nuf said.
Huh? Says Hopkins, Capirex then West on motogp site?
Nothing to be read into though, race will be dry. Rossi to win.
quallman1234
30th May 2008, 23:12
Did i read that right?
No, it is incorrect. FP2 up in a few minutes. Pissing with rain, track absolutely soaked.
Here are FP1 times:
1. John Hopkins USA Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 54.053 secs
2. Loris Capirossi ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 54.520 secs
3. Anthony West AUS Kawasaki Racing Team (B) 1min 55.021 secs
4. Alex de Angelis RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 55.141 secs
5. Shinya Nakano JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini (B) 1min 55.528 secs
6. Andrea Dovizioso ITA JiR Team Scot MotoGP (M) 1min 55.718 secs
7. Chris Vermeulen AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP (B) 1min 55.774 secs
8. Dani Pedrosa SPA Repsol Honda Team (M) 1min 55.805 secs
9. Casey Stoner AUS Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 1min 58.618 secs
10. Valentino Rossi ITA Fiat Yamaha Team (B) 1min 58.672 secs
11. Randy de Puniet FRA LCR Honda MotoGP (M) 1min 59.240 secs
12. Nicky Hayden USA Repsol Honda Team (M) 1min 59.436 secs
13. James Toseland GBR Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 1min 59.899 secs
14. Jorge Lorenzo SPA Fiat Yamaha Team (M) 2min 0.004 secs
15. Marco Melandri ITA Ducati Marlboro Team (B) 2min 0.162 secs
16. Sylvain Guintoli FRA Alice Team (B) 2min 1.718 secs
17. Tady Okada JPN Repsol Honda Team (M) 2min 2.810 secs
18. Toni Elias SPA Alice Team (B) 2min 3.305 secs
19. Colin Edwards USA Tech 3 Yamaha (M) 2min 3.774 secs
quallman1234
30th May 2008, 23:56
Well that's a almost pointless pratice.
White trash
31st May 2008, 08:42
Ant West quickest in a wet Friday free practice.
'nuf said.
Actually, it's nowhere near 'nff said.
Everybody (mostly the Aussies) laud on and on and about what a great rider Ant West must be, just look at how he performs in the rain.
I wanna know why he's almost dead last on the machine everytime it's not wet. Don't hand me that Kawasaki aint competitive shit either, Hopper doesn't have much of a problem with it.
Marknz
31st May 2008, 08:54
Huh? Says Hopkins, Capirex then West on motogp site?
Nothing to be read into though, race will be dry. Rossi to win.
You know what, you're absolutely right. I read Hopkins on the site and typed West. What a cock. Apologies all round.
Marknz
31st May 2008, 08:58
Actually, it's nowhere near 'nff said.
Everybody (mostly the Aussies) laud on and on and about what a great rider Ant West must be, just look at how he performs in the rain.
I wanna know why he's almost dead last on the machine everytime it's not wet. Don't hand me that Kawasaki aint competitive shit either, Hopper doesn't have much of a problem with it.
Jiminy jiminy, my 'nuff said was a suggestion that if he's top of the timesheets then the rest of the list was so unreliable that I wouldn't bother listing them. I, like you, am completely amazed that he can be so good in the wet and crap in the dry, but then I'm not a top racer so WTFDIK.
Always wondered why some people are so great in the wet and suck in the dry.
You'd think that if they have so much feel for the bike and it's available traction in bad conditions, they could push it untill it was at the same limit under normal circumstances.
But then, I suck in the wet, so what would I know?:whocares:
Skunk
31st May 2008, 09:13
I believe the Kwakas do well in the wet due to their handling characteristics. I know they have issues with getting the power down on the exit - this is a lesser issue in the wet of course...
Remember that all but one of their good finishes was in the wet. The best being second in China a few years ago.
roogazza
31st May 2008, 09:16
Actually, it's nowhere near 'nff said.
Everybody (mostly the Aussies) laud on and on and about what a great rider Ant West must be, just look at how he performs in the rain.
I wanna know why he's almost dead last on the machine everytime it's not wet. Don't hand me that Kawasaki aint competitive shit either, Hopper doesn't have much of a problem with it.
Echo your thoughts Mr Trash, same might be said about the Aussie on the Suzuki. But thats the way it is for whatever reason ?
I read somewhere (maybe AMCN) that West's boss was taking him in hand to get his head right and improve his fitness.
Why is anyone fast in the wet , (for that matter I thought I was good in the wet for a brief spell many many years ago) must be in the head or something,and you just believe it ? Gaz.
White trash
31st May 2008, 09:18
Always wondered why some people are so great in the wet and suck in the dry.
You'd think that if they have so much feel for the bike and it's available traction in bad conditions, they could push it untill it was at the same limit under normal circumstances.
But then, I suck in the wet, so what would I know?:whocares:
Actually, you're only any good at running into stacks of tyres and plowing fields.
Nuff said.
R6_kid
31st May 2008, 09:37
Cant be that wet if the Mole and DePoontang aren't up the top...
What was the race last year where it was pissing down, Rossi was leading by fuckloads and then lost the race by staying out one lap too long on wets after the track dried up (or maybe it was slicks and should have been on wets)... That was an interesting race.
White trash
31st May 2008, 10:21
1 7 Chris VERMEULEN AUS Rizla Suzuki MotoGP Suzuki 2'01.500 304.139
2 69 Nicky HAYDEN USA Repsol Honda Team Honda 2'02.010 309.012 0.510
3 1 Casey STONER AUS Ducati Marlboro Team Ducati 2'02.305 317.367 0.805
4 46 Valentino ROSSI ITA Fiat Yamaha Team Yamaha 2'02.327 310.344 0.827
5 52 James TOSELAND GBR Tech 3 Yamaha Yamaha 2'02.412 304.225 0.912
6 48 Jorge LORENZO SPA Fiat Yamaha Team Yamaha 2'02.562 308.219 1.062
7 4 Andrea DOVIZIOSO ITA JiR Team Scot MotoGP Honda 2'02.569 303.030 1.069
8 14 Randy DE PUNIET FRA LCR Honda MotoGP Honda 2'03.568 297.193 2.068
9 5 Colin EDWARDS USA Tech 3 Yamaha Yamaha 2'03.586 307.079 2.086
10 2 Dani PEDROSA SPA Repsol Honda Team Honda 2'03.699 309.278 2.199
11 15 Alex DE ANGELIS RSM San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 2'03.765 307.254 2.265
12 21 John HOPKINS USA Kawasaki Racing Team Kawasaki 2'03.950 308.043 2.450
13 65 Loris CAPIROSSI ITA Rizla Suzuki MotoGP Suzuki 2'04.049 308.395 2.549
14 13 Anthony WEST AUS Kawasaki Racing Team Kawasaki 2'05.397 308.307 3.897
15 56 Shinya NAKANO JPN San Carlo Honda Gresini Honda 2'05.634 299.417 4.134
16 8 Tadayuki OKADA JPN Repsol Honda Team Honda 2'06.103 295.971 4.603
17 50 Sylvain GUINTOLI FRA Alice Team Ducati 2'06.257 310.077 4.757
18 24 Toni ELIAS SPA Alice Team Ducati 2'08.980 308.219 7.480
19 33 Marco MELANDRI ITA Ducati Marlboro Team Ducati 2'14.112 310.701 12.612
Yeah I watched the whole 2nd session. Toseland was fastest for first 50 mins, then the other four above him put in fast laps in their last flying laps. Not sure if they have qualifying wets?? But toseland looked really smooth and strong, stoner was right on the edge to do that lap time. Nakano and Okada both took nasty falls, capirossi also binned it. Was very wel, could see them getting out of shape at what? 280ish on the main, not my idea of fun!!
Actually, you're only any good at running into stacks of tyres and plowing fields.
Nuff said.
Pot calling the kettle black much there crash?
ElCoyote
31st May 2008, 16:21
Always wondered why some people are so great in the wet and suck in the dry.
You'd think that if they have so much feel for the bike and it's available traction in bad conditions, they could push it untill it was at the same limit under normal circumstances.
But then, I suck in the wet, so what would I know?:whocares:
Vermeulen ('nother Aussie) was slated for finishing rear of field until he won a wet race. Le Mans I think.
riffer
31st May 2008, 17:36
What happened to Melandri? 12 seconds off the pace? He's having a mare of a season. :no:
What happened to Melandri? 12 seconds off the pace? He's having a mare of a season. :no:
Yeah I know, he was doing 2.30's at one stage. Didn't say anything about him having any problems, just slow as. Maybe they should let him ride with the 250's :bleh:
Gotta love Rossi's special helmet for Mugello! Classic!
Skunk
1st June 2008, 19:50
Gotta love Rossi's special helmet for Mugello! Classic!
Fucken good eh? Scare the shit outa ya looking over ya shoulder at him...
Yeah, for those that haven't seen it ......
125 race an absolute stunner!!!!!
125 race an absolute stunner!!!!!
You can say that again, $5 says the MotoGP is a yawn fest...
roogazza
2nd June 2008, 11:42
Val eee ! ::banana::banana::banana::banana: Gaz.
riffer
2nd June 2008, 11:48
You can say that again, $5 says the MotoGP is a yawn fest...
Wasn't exactly a yawn fest but my gawd that 125 race was incredible! How many times did the lead change? Must have been at least 30.
Yeah wasn't too bad, but nothing in comparison to 125's and 250's. That barbera crash, dang!! The commentators are so damn thick, how could an engine siezure make you go over the handlebars?? Front wheel drive or something lol. Was pretty damn clear that Simoncelli moved over as Barbera was passing and just hit his front brake. Not too far off Nakano a few years ago when his rear tyre blew on the Kwaka.
Yeah wasn't too bad, but nothing in comparison to 125's and 250's. That barbera crash, dang!! The commentators are so damn thick, how could an engine siezure make you go over the handlebars?? Front wheel drive or something lol. Was pretty damn clear that Simoncelli moved over as Barbera was passing and just hit his front brake. Not too far off Nakano a few years ago when his rear tyre blew on the Kwaka.
Was A bueat alright!!!
Yeah His Tire Bew Oh his engine Seized
Umm if you look at that they touch which throws him off
Silly commentators
But who else noticed that Simoncelli didnt look back to see what happened lol If thatwasme and my bike got a shunt and massive shake like that Id look back to see what caused it lol
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kS5AxkRdHGU
Linky to it
I could'a swore I saw him check back (was out of camera shot, but a camera on the ground further down the track caught it)
Hector had the grunt on tap, all he needed to do was keep a tighter line in the last corner and he could of had that race made, guess he wanted to prove something down the front straight though.
Instead he gets no points for his efforts. :\
No Ivan, read properly. Simoncelli moved over as barbera was coming past and hit his front brake. Catapulting him over the front, instant front brake application at 200+ with throttle still wide open means ouch!!
Hitcher
2nd June 2008, 16:23
Rossi and Yamaha FTW.
Crasherfromwayback
2nd June 2008, 16:49
Always wondered why some people are so great in the wet and suck in the dry.
You'd think that if they have so much feel for the bike and it's available traction in bad conditions, they could push it untill it was at the same limit under normal circumstances.
I think that because all of the top guys in any class are so good, that it often comes down to set up, especially in the dry. More so if your bike is having traction 'issues'. In the wet, your ability to maintain corner speed will negate acceleration that is massively amplified in the dry. Hence racers with either bike or setup problems can compensate if they have the 'feel' in the wet.
roogazza
2nd June 2008, 19:11
I think that because all of the top guys in any class are so good, that it often comes down to set up, especially in the dry. More so if your bike is having traction 'issues'. In the wet, your ability to maintain corner speed will negate acceleration that is massively amplified in the dry. Hence racers with either bike or setup problems can compensate if they have the 'feel' in the wet.
P , have you been at WMCC long ? Probably too far back , but a good example I always thought was the Dave and Nev Hiscock.
Dave was silky smooth both wet and dry , Nev, just as fast sometimes, but always on the raggered edge. hence his nickname 'Near-Miss-Nev'.
Remember we didn't have 'setup" just round black tyres! Gaz.
ps. sorry off topic there a bit folks.
Crasherfromwayback
2nd June 2008, 19:22
14 years, but I was watching back then. I learnt to ride on sand, and it always reminded me of racing in the rain. I love it.
Chrislost
2nd June 2008, 20:00
Rossi and Yamaha FTW.
That helmit was so scary they just let him go in front so that they didnt have to look at it anymore.
who was it that said he was past it...:bleh:
Hitcher
2nd June 2008, 20:04
That helmit was so scary
"That helmet" rocks!
No Ivan, read properly. Simoncelli moved over as barbera was coming past and hit his front brake. Catapulting him over the front, instant front brake application at 200+ with throttle still wide open means ouch!!
Yes I know.
What i said was the what the commentators sadi thats why it says silly commentators.
I watched the race and listened to what Barbera said and I know it was caused by frotn brake being forced on on contact.
So relax pal
marioc
3rd June 2008, 08:12
That helmet is top notch alright :2thumbsup
denill
3rd June 2008, 08:30
That helmet is top notch alright :2thumbsup
That helmet is GAY! Oh that's right............. :msn-wink:
roogazza
3rd June 2008, 08:38
That helmet is GAY! Oh that's right............. :msn-wink:
Hey hey Bill, you gunna start playing dirty ??? Ha ha
But your boy got a good second that should keep you smiling ? You been reading all the stuff on how they have made the Yamaha work ?
Latest AMCN has a little bit about the similarities between the Duc and Yam now on the present setup. :wari: Gaz.
denill
3rd June 2008, 08:45
You been reading all the stuff on how they have made the Yamaha work ?
Latest AMCN has a little bit about the similarities between the Duc and Yam now on the present setup. :wari: Gaz.
No, but that would be interesting, cos nothing happens on it's own.
BTW - I have to say it's looking like your man this year. And Stoner is going to have his work cut out to beat the Spanish pygmy. :crybaby:
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