$1m salary for radiologist

[scracha]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4566467a20475.html

"That's as much as Dan Carter gets, and he's the best rugby player in the world."

Kinda sums up the problem. Is it just me that thinks the high rugby salaries are much more stupid than the medical professionals pay? I mean, it takes over 12 years training to become a radiologist.

[DingoZ]

Usually, a technologist has undergone 1-4 years of formal training, leading to a certificate, associate's degree, or bachelor's degree.

Then add on 1-2 years extra for each sub speciality if they want to achieve a degree in those as well..

if you are training for this type of speciality in the states - this is what you would be looking at

Diagnostic radiologists must complete prerequisite undergraduate training, four years of medical school, and five years of post-graduate training. The first postgraduate year is usually a transitional year of various rotations, but is sometimes a preliminary internship in medicine or surgery. A four-year diagnostic radiology residency follows. During this residency, the radiology resident must pass a medical physics board exam covering the science and technology of ultrasounds, CTs, x-rays, nuclear medicine, and MRI. Core knowledge of the radiologist includes radiobiology which is the effects of ionizing radiation on the living organisms and specifically humans. Near the completion of their residency, the radiologist in training is eligible to take board examinations (written and oral) given by the American Board of Radiology.

Following completion of residency training, radiologists either begin their practice or enter into sub-speciality training programs known as fellowships. Examples of sub-speciality training in radiology include abdominal imaging, thoracic imaging, CT/Ultrasound, MRI, musculoskeletal imaging, interventional radiology, neuroradiology, interventional neuroradiology, pediatric radiology, mammography and women's imaging. Fellowship training programs in radiology are usually 1 or 2 years in length.

Radiologists generally achieve a higher level of compensation than many medical specialties as well as a highly desirable regular work schedule that often does not involve many weekend or night hours. The introduction of teleradiology has significantly improved the working environment and schedules of radiologists, essentially distributing the increasing workflow into shifts. Those seeking residency positions find that entry into this field of medicine is highly competitive. The field is rapidly expanding due to advances in computer technology which is closely linked to modern imaging.

The exams (radiography) are usually performed by radiologic technologists, (also known as diagnostic radiographers) who in the United States have a 2-year Associates Degree and the UK a 3 year Honours Degree.

[mowgli]

Geez DingoZ, I was about to say I must be in the wrong job (1m would be nice) but all that book work? Radiologists deserve every penny I say.

[bull]

Think you will find that Dan Carter has been playing rugby most of his life so in comparison hes prolly done at least 16yrs of training.

[jrandom]

It's not a matter of whether anyone 'deserves' it or whether it's 'stupid', it's a simple matter of supply and demand.

While demand exceeds supply, prices will get pushed up, end of story. Applies to radiologists, applies to Mr Carter.

[RC1]

he's the best rugby player in the world.".

and hes got the trophy to prove it :rofl::rofl::rofl: from his MOM

[Conquiztador]

In rugby and in medicine the same rule applies: Supply and demand. The marketplace will decide the value of the individuals.

[AllanB]

Dan Carter - you compare someone who is directly involved in saving hundreds (if not thousands) of lives during their career with someone who runs about casing an oval ball and promoting undies. :2guns:

I know which one I'd rather be paying when I start shitting blood.

I agree - silly silly footie prices.

[Sollyboy]

If the aussies are advertising $1,000,000 here for a radiologist we should advertise in india and china for radiologists , we would get them and at a very decent rate and they couldnt be any worse than our medical profesion ,infact Id go as far as to say the best doctors Ive seen are indians.

[Drew]

If the aussies are advertising $1,000,000 here for a radiologist we should advertise in india and china for radiologists , we would get them and at a very decent rate and they couldnt be any worse than our medical profesion ,infact Id go as far as to say the best doctors Ive seen are indians.

We dont need to advertise in India, they come here to learn medicine, then get discounted fees for being "bonded" to work here for a set period before they are allowed to leave.

The doctors you have seen here, 99% trained here too.

[Shadows]

Usually, a technologist has undergone 1-4 years of formal training, leading to a certificate, associate's degree, or bachelor's degree.

Then add on 1-2 years extra for each sub speciality if they want to achieve a degree in those as well..

if you are training for this type of speciality in the states - this is what you would be looking at

Diagnostic radiologists must complete prerequisite undergraduate training, four years of medical school, and five years of post-graduate training. The first postgraduate year is usually a transitional year of various rotations, but is sometimes a preliminary internship in medicine or surgery. A four-year diagnostic radiology residency follows. During this residency, the radiology resident must pass a medical physics board exam covering the science and technology of ultrasounds, CTs, x-rays, nuclear medicine, and MRI. Core knowledge of the radiologist includes radiobiology which is the effects of ionizing radiation on the living organisms and specifically humans. Near the completion of their residency, the radiologist in training is eligible to take board examinations (written and oral) given by the American Board of Radiology.

Following completion of residency training, radiologists either begin their practice or enter into sub-speciality training programs known as fellowships. Examples of sub-speciality training in radiology include abdominal imaging, thoracic imaging, CT/Ultrasound, MRI, musculoskeletal imaging, interventional radiology, neuroradiology, interventional neuroradiology, pediatric radiology, mammography and women's imaging. Fellowship training programs in radiology are usually 1 or 2 years in length.

Radiologists generally achieve a higher level of compensation than many medical specialties as well as a highly desirable regular work schedule that often does not involve many weekend or night hours. The introduction of teleradiology has significantly improved the working environment and schedules of radiologists, essentially distributing the increasing workflow into shifts. Those seeking residency positions find that entry into this field of medicine is highly competitive. The field is rapidly expanding due to advances in computer technology which is closely linked to modern imaging.

The exams (radiography) are usually performed by radiologic technologists, (also known as diagnostic radiographers) who in the United States have a 2-year Associates Degree and the UK a 3 year Honours Degree.

And all a rugby player needs is to be a boof head.


Think you will find that Dan Carter has been playing rugby most of his life so in comparison hes prolly done at least 16yrs of training.

16 years of training and he's still a boof head rugby player. Just goes to show that some people can't be helped no matter how much resource one throws at them.

[98tls]

And all a rugby player needs is to be a boof head.



16 years of training and he's still a boof head rugby player. Just goes to show that some people can't be helped no matter how much resource one throws at them. A boof head?The only resource thrown at Carter was his parents time which cost you and me fuck all.Are in your opinion all succesful sportspeople "boof heads"?Bit like me saying people that own Harleys cant ride for shit, as in ignorant.

[McJim]

There are unqualified recruitment consultants in London with only a few year's experience earning more than that.

And I thought it was bad enough when I arrived hearing a news story that a TV Anchor was being paid more than the PM. Of course a TV Anchor gets paid more than a PM. The PM is merely a civil servant but a TV Anchor generates advertising revenue.

Supply and demand. That's what makes money. Too many people seem to be fixated on what a person is worth not about how much money they can make you.

[Shadows]

A boof head?The only resource thrown at Carter was his parents time which cost you and me fuck all.Are in your opinion all succesful sportspeople "boof heads"?

I never complained it cost me anything.
And no, not all "successful sports people" are boof heads.
There are sports and then there are school yard games, like rugby for instance. I think you may be confusing the two.

[98tls]

I never complained it cost me anything.
And no, not all "successful sports people" are boof heads.
There are sports and then there are school yard games, like rugby for instance. I think you may be confusing the two. Define "boof head" for me.Many very successful rugby players are also lawyers,doctors etc.As for confusion i think you may well be confused as to what is a sport and what your opinion of sport is,easily solved as i think rugby will be defined as sport in any language.Maybe its catch up time for you,think motorcycles for instance,Harleys contrived in the school yard era of motorcycling but still making huge $,rugby as you say is much the same but theres still money to be made.

[Shadows]

Define "boof head" for me.Many very successful rugby players are also lawyers,doctors etc.As for confusion i think you may well be confused as to what is a sport and what your opinion of sport is,easily solved as i think rugby will be defined as sport in any language.Maybe its catch up time for you,think motorcycles for instance,Harleys contrived in the school yard era of motorcycling but still making huge $,rugby as you say is much the same but theres still money to be made.

Are you talking about successful people from the real world going out and making huge sums of money playing the game of rugby in their twenties, or are you referring to those that have physically written themselves off by 35 and have been given cushy non-productive jobs after their demise by organisations shrewdly cashing in on their "fame"? Can you name more than a margin of error worth of successful 20 year old doctors and lawyers who went on to be successful rugby game players? I bet there's not many, any that there may be are probably just freaks of nature.

Nope. No confusion here. Definately not a sport. It is a game created in a school yard. Look it up if you like.

I don't see what my choice of motorcycle has to do with anything. It certainly doesn't earn me any money (unless you count the benefit found in the lack of speeding tickets).

Just another form of opium for the masses. Enjoy your game.

Meanwhile, a little radiologist waits..... or simply fucks off to Aussie.

[98tls]

Are you talking about successful people from the real world going out and making huge sums of money playing the game of rugby in their twenties, or are you referring to those that have physically written themselves off by 35 and have been given cushy non-productive jobs after their demise by organisations shrewdly cashing in on their "fame"? Can you name more than a margin of error worth of successful 20 year old doctors and lawyers who went on to be successful rugby game players? I bet there's not many, any that there may be are probably just freaks of nature.

Nope. No confusion here. Definitely not a sport. It is a game created in a school yard. Look it up if you like.

I don't see what my choice of motorcycle has to do with anything. It certainly doesn't earn me any money (unless you count the benefit found in the lack of speeding tickets).

Just another form of opium for the masses. Enjoy your game.

Meanwhile, a little radiologist waits..... or simply fucks off to Aussie. :innocent:ok fuck it ya got me,i think your choice of motorcycle is related to how quickly you decipher written word,read my post again and by all means take your time then when your ready respond with something worth responding to.

[Shadows]

:innocent:ok fuck it ya got me,i think your choice of motorcycle is related to how quickly you decipher written word,read my post again and by all means take your time then when your ready respond with something worth responding to.

Well there's only so much money to go around.

Maybe if multitudes of weren't injured every year chasing the rugby dream and supported by the taxpayer in their recuperation (tens of millions of dollars every year, and climbing), then there might be a little left in the kitty to pay our medical professionals what they're worth, enabling people with grave illnesses to receive life saving treatment without spending their families' inheritances overseas.

Enjoy your game, and have a long and healthy life.

[HornetBoy]

Dan Carter - you compare someone who is directly involved in saving hundreds (if not thousands) of lives during their career with someone who runs about casing an oval ball and promoting undies. :2guns:

I know which one I'd rather be paying when I start shitting blood.

I agree - silly silly footie prices.

Yep i agree with you their AllenB good point, but ....

In terms of workload and importance of decision making, they both perform in totally different environments but then again they both have to deal with alot of pressure which can have major consequences if they make the wrong decision eg radiologist can be potentially making life or death decisions (huge pressures obviously) and dan can stuff up the world cup (which the whole country is behind keep in mind)

But despite all that ,IMO i think the Medical professionals should be getting that kind of pay packet not the sports athletes,as life and death decisions are alot more important than trying to show a countries dominance in a certain aspect of sport. ...(and im currently doing a Degree in this stuff,its fustrating because you realise how much more the athletes you instruct earn above yourself and your the one who has studyied the books for 4+years:blink: )

[rachprice]

dingoz your thinking radiographer, radiologist is medically trained. Six years of medical school. 2 years of house surgeon to become a registrar then 3+ (3 if your the fuckin man) to specialise! So yeah 11-12 years.
But anyways ophthalmologists were getting 1 mil in nz, until they had the commerce commission investigate them because you could only train as one if one of the others died.
But doctors very definitely deserve it (bit biased), they have lives in their hands they have to know details about every organ system and pathology. Its pretty tough and while some doctors these days still go by the paternalistic thinking (not good but not all), there has been a general decrease in the publics respect for them!

[hdus001]

If the aussies are advertising $1,000,000 here for a radiologist we should advertise in india and china for radiologists , we would get them and at a very decent rate and they couldnt be any worse than our medical profesion ,infact Id go as far as to say the best doctors Ive seen are indians.

And what stops the aussies from doing exactly that? Immigrants will always choose to go to the country that gives them the best overall deal.

[scracha]

And what stops the aussies from doing exactly that? Immigrants will always choose to go to the country that gives them the best overall deal.

Yep, Aussie is sure looking tempting :laugh:

As for Dan Carter putting in 16 years. Well, maybe. But the radiologist won't have been earning 1 million per year during his 12 years or so of training. If NZ had any sense they'd not be letting anyone with a student loan out of the country.