Davida helmet opinions?

[ital916]

Hey all

Am considering getting a davida jet helmet for my 21st. I find them really comfortable and extremely quiet for me *without earplugs..as I find riding with earplugs uncomfortable*. Was just wondering if any davida owners on here had opinons on them. I quite like the cream eggshell with RAF design *being from england and all haha*.

Also if any davida owners have opinons on goggles. Aftermarket or Davida ones *i quite like the aviator or halycon ones*. I have been very impressed with the quality of the build and the plushness of the quilted liner *it adds that retro feel and look*.

The jet will be used in conjunction with my full face *full face for long tours and extremely horrendous weather*. As a plus the jet even comes with the ACU gold sticker, sounds silly but it adds reassurance of the quality of the helmet.

Thanks a bunch

Drider87

P.S Already had a chat to big dave about this one, mind you he does have a lot of helmets haha.

P.P.S The girl in the davida advertisement has to be one the sexiest girls ever. :eek::laugh:

[motorbyclist]

oh dear

this isn't just to spite the SMC is it?

you're one of our "most well dressed for safety" members, always ranting on about having atgatt, still have regular bins, and now this? half a helmet? really a good idea?

your choice, of course, but don't say i didn't warn you.

[xwhatsit]

Cool helmet, I'd wear one, but then I don't crash.

[xwhatsit]

I was quite keen on this one, even comes with goggles: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=157989056 They pop up from time to time, I'll get it next time.

Was dozy and missed out. Only sold for $43, too! Before somebody makes a smart comment, I do have a $43 head.

Millions (billions?) of people managed to stay alive for the past 100 year riding motorcycles with half-face helmets (or none at all), so meh. Still, probably not best for people like Drider or brand-new scooter girls to be wearing them though :laugh:

Guzzi girl (big poster of her up in Motomail, ever been there Dushy?) is a bit shit, but that Guzzi is delicious. Aluminium turns me on.

Cromwell also do lovely helmets, they've got a similarly ancient history. This is their Spitfire model:

[ital916]

I was quite keen on this one, even comes with goggles: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=157989056 They pop up from time to time, I'll get it next time.

Was dozy and missed out. Only sold for $43, too! Before somebody makes a smart comment, I do have a $43 head.

Millions (billions?) of people managed to stay alive for the past 100 year riding motorcycles with half-face helmets (or none at all), so meh. Still, probably not best for people like Drider or brand-new scooter girls to be wearing them though :laugh:

Guzzi girl (big poster of her up in Motomail, ever been there Dushy?) is a bit shit, but that Guzzi is delicious. Aluminium turns me on.

Cromwell also do lovely helmets, they've got a similarly ancient history. This is their Spitfire model:

Haha I know it's up there matey, everytime I walk in there I see her. Yeah they are great helmets. No andrew it's not to spite the club, I'm not like that *notice the fact I never gave out any red rep*, it will be to wear with a full face. On days when I feel like it, it's a calculated risk.

[Squiggles]

Who's the chick?! :eek:

[xwhatsit]

Who's the chick?! :eek:
Top post, ya munter :)

[Romeo]

I guess they look cool, in the same way that riding in a Led Zeppelin t-shirt looks cool.

What I'd do is just get a white fullface helmet and paint the vintage racing stripes on :2thumbsup

Just out of interest, I suppose you've read about what happened to FknAmerican?

[ital916]

I guess they look cool, in the same way that riding in a Led Zeppelin t-shirt looks cool.

What I'd do is just get a white fullface helmet and paint the vintage racing stripes on :2thumbsup

Just out of interest, I suppose you've read about what happened to FknAmerican?

Yeah that was a bit of bad luck wasn't it with the visor popping off and all. Mind you like I said it's a calculated risk, I'm just probing, I have to be able to afford one first haha. The chick is called Katrien stephen. I don't know where se is from but she is a bit of alright *and by alright I mean farrrrk :eek:*

[Phurrball]

(snip) Mind you like I said it's a calculated risk, I'm just probing, (snip)

I think you know my opinion of ALL open faced helmets already...BUT...

With all due respect, I don't actually think it is a "calculated risk" you're considering undertaking.

Why do I think that?

Because, you're not only a smart young fella, but you're educated too, so to be a "calculated risk" would mean you've analysed the known variables and have made a survey of independent respected literature - an informed "calculated risk" can only be based on such empirical data.

D, you clearly know a bit about helmets, I'm not belittling that, but I'd like you to critically think about the source of that knowledge. I'm guessing here, but I'll bet a large part of your info is from helmet manufacturers via your job. Remember helmet manufacturers exist to SELL helmets (not that that is a bad thing, product development, improved safety etc - BUT it biases the information provided. Why would an open face helmet manufacturer warn about extra risk associated with their product??).

Don't mistake manufacturer-derived information, in all its technical glory, for independent knowledge.

I don't think you've looked into the literature much, or you'd be beating us all round the head ('scuse the pun) with the *one* potential injury-related thing full-face helmets may not be so good for.

(No, I'm not going to tell you, you can find out for yourself - and it's a minor risk in the face of overwhelming advantages)

Looking at medical research is sobering. One can never predict exactly how a crash will happen, only prepare one's self as best as possible with good safety gear and safe riding practices. What looking at such research tells us is the safety advantages/disadvantages of different helmet types -

This independent medical research is pretty damning of open face helmets.

I've attached a recent paper analysing autopsies of helmeted riders from an URBAN area (Like where you state you would ride with the proposed open face helmet). Remembering that we can never control the muppetry of drivers around us, and that Tokyo driving standards are likely to be better than the woeful standards of Auckland drivers, it certainly gives me pause for thought with respect to whether an open face lid is ever OK in even in town.

There's always rotten.com or google images of course, but medical journal articles are a little more sophisticated as an informative tool than outright gore.

The University of Auckland, which you and I are lucky enough to attend, has excellent database subscriptions, not just in Law or Engineering, but in medical sciences too. You can get to most full text articles via google if you don't fancy the library databases. (So long as you're on the university network and UoA subscribes.)

Go and read independent information first before you make a decision.

IMHO The helmet you are considering is clearly beautifully made and stylish - it will make its wearer look the part, BUT it WILL fall short in the safety stakes in spite of those things that make it so desirable.

It's only safe for a hypothetical 'happyville' where car drivers don't exist and the road surface is as perfectly groomed as the stylish helmet-wearer.

If you're prepared to risk it, that's up to you: I'd rather you didn't as I'd hate to see you suffer adverse consequences without FULLY CONSIDERING the risks involved.

You can be as safe as you like, but you can never predict extrinsic factors like eedyits in cages. I prefer not to count on luck, so I wear a full-face helmet.

The open face you're looking at is worth a reasonable amount (even with a staff discount no doubt.) My 2¢ is that you'd be wise to put that towards a nice full face, of which your work has plenty.

I like to feel the breeze when riding too, so I ride visor-up frequently – I get the breeze through my flowing locks that way (haha) but I also know my face (ugly as it is) is safe behind the chin bar.

I'll not hassle you further...

Ride safe, and make an informed choice.

Ross.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Ive been looking for an open face helmet recently, but then I realised I only wanted it as an ornament in my study. Then I gave myself a sharp crack upside the head and told myself not to be so silly and to spend the money on something else (tyres for the race bike, getting the other VFR going, upgrading the street bike, hookers, JD). so unless its cheap......

[MisterD]

I've got one, and it's fantastic for English summer conditions. In Auckland I find it far too hot because of the leather liner (and the otherwise great) snug fit, so I wear a full face with vents and I avoid the horrible feeling of sweat seeping out and down the back of my neck...

[HenryDorsetCase]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Helmets-clothing-footwear/Helmets/auction-158760136.htm

[ital916]

"Type of Helmet We classified helmets as either full-face or open-face. Open-face helmets included half helmets covering only the top of the head and “jet pilot”-style helmets covering the top and sides of the head but not the face or chin"

Thank you for the article ross, I do appreciate it and have had a good read through it. A few problems though.

1. The article states that the open face helmets used encompass, shorty, soup bowls styles etc all the way to jet styles. What it fails to do is break down the percentage and severity of injuries caused by each kind of open face helmet. A reason the percentage of injuries is greater in this test is the fact that "shorty's" and "soup bowls" and the such will barely protect your head. It's kind of like saying "we are going to compare injuries statistics between leather and non leather jackets. The non leather jackets can include plastic rubbish bags etc".

The "jet" helmet produced by davida *as silly as it may sound* comes with the ACU gold sticker, meaning it is race approved in the uk *though I fully support the use of full face helmets in racing*. This means it is not some silly half bowl made out of toy store plastic I shall be putting on my head, but low and behold might actually have some inkling of quality and protectiveness.

2. What were the conditions of the crashes. It just states autopsies of the deceased due to traffic accidents. Now the traffic in japan is hectic. Was there alcohol involved, excessive speed by the motorcyclist. What were the road conditions, motorcycle conditions etc etc. Stating that thirty six dead peoople between the age of 19 and fifty were studied.

19 with o/f, seventeen with f/f. We found the open face helmets were worse than full face is a bit far. Study deceased people in excessive speed accidents with f/f and o/f "jet styles". Then bad weather f/f and o/f "jet styles" etc. Then collate results and reach a general conclusion.

I find it hard to swallow that all of a sudden the world has turned on the open face hlmet. I said it's a risk. I won't wear it everyday, but my god where has the passion gone. Yes I am a bit of a safety nazi but some days I do want to say oh poo I'm gonna be a little daring whilst still wearing a helmet that will provide excellent protection minus said face shielding.

The world is full of danger. I used to compete in martial arts, I've been put through tables, hyper-extended my shoulder, had concussions and numerous injuries from sports. I partake in boxing where I voluntarily step into a ring to bash and get bashed in the head. I bloody sit on an engine with two wheels where at any point in time a multitude of things may go wrong. I try my hardest, in fact I try 200% to not have accidents, to be aware and ride safely.These are dangerous activities but I love all of them. I know they are dangerous my friend, but living life in a safety bubble 100% of the time means I won't be experiencing the life I want to.

I do appreciate your counsel. You are a good friend Ross and I am glad that you believe in what you are saying and are good enough of a friend to be worried with my decisions to try and change them. Let us partake in more discussion soon where I shall further take apart the attached study *whilst you will undoubtedly put your lawyerly skills to use and piece it back together*.

Tell me Kb, where's the passion gone. It's funny. The posts when I first started motorcycling were full of naive ideas of this is bad and this is good in the motorcycling world. I've come to realise that behind every decision a motorcyclist makes there is usually an emotional as well as logical idea. Without that emotional feeling, we will.....will.....dear god....all turn into katmans. Yes there is sense and logic, but I believe motorcycling is nothing without passion *disclaimer: that is an opinon not a statement*.

Maybe it's just me. *braces for tellings off and bad rep*

[HenryDorsetCase]

<snnip>. I've come to realise that behind every decision a motorcyclist makes there is usually an emotional as well as logical idea. Without that emotional feeling, we will.....will.....dear god....all turn into katmans. Yes there is sense and logic, but I believe motorcycling is nothing without passion *disclaimer: that is an opinon not a statement*.

Maybe it's just me. *braces for tellings off and bad rep*

absolutely right. well said. We call this process of "Coming to realise" things growing up.

If you want a Davida, you should just bloody well go out and get one.

Get one for me while you're up? Cheers.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Make mine the Hailwood replica. :D

[Big Dave]

As we discussed, I have a Davida open face helmet. I mainly use it for pootling around town on cruisers and scooters.

I reckon it's fabulous. It has lasted exceptionally well and only a daft pom would worry about the heat.

[Big Dave]

Make mine the Hailwood replica. :D


Matt black with M*A*S*H graphics.

[ital916]

Matt black with M*A*S*H graphics.

Ooh that is a nice one but the cream raf is beautiful in real life. There are so many decals that are great though. Will have to try lots on then haha

[HungusMaximist]

If you like it man just fucken grab it.

I think it looks cool and those googles looks cool also.

I would wear one if I had a scooter or a cafe racer but I certainly wouldn't want to crash face first in one.

But yes, just grab it bro.

[shingo]

D, the one thing i dont get is the fact that on a number of times you have shown people my shoei x-spirit and stated "This is the kind of helmet you need to get, it is the top of the line shoei..etc".

Yet you are considering buying an open face helmet, when you could probably buy an x-spirit for the same amount of money.

The phrase "practice what you preach" comes to mind...

[motorbyclist]

D, the one thing i dont get is the fact that on a number of times you have shown people my shoei x-spirit and stated "This is the kind of helmet you need to get, it is the top of the line shoei..etc".

Yet you are considering buying an open face helmet, when you could probably buy an x-spirit for the same amount of money.

The phrase "practice what you preach" comes to mind...

but he wants a davida helmet

doesn't care that he may lose his face

doesn't care that the risk of brain injury is higher

doesn't care for that money he could buy a featherweight carbonfibre low-noise exemplar of safety technology and ergronomics at it's best.

of course there's the chance that wanting it has blinded him to the risks involved, but it's his money, and he can do his 10 minute commute in full gear, fluoro jacket, back protector and half-helmet if he so wishes - atleast now we can give him shit next time he tells banzai to buy a new helmet or me/stephen for commuting in jeans


(does anyone remember the movie "spaceballs"? i've been trying to figure out what that helmet reminds me of all day:laugh:)

[PirateJafa]

(does anyone remember the movie "spaceballs"? i've been trying to figure out what that helmet reminds me of all day:laugh:)

I think that just earned you some green schwartz! :niceone:

[avgas]

errr no - not even if i enjoyed bumsex and owned a vespa (its their target demographic...)

[ital916]

D, the one thing i dont get is the fact that on a number of times you have shown people my shoei x-spirit and stated "This is the kind of helmet you need to get, it is the top of the line shoei..etc".

Yet you are considering buying an open face helmet, when you could probably buy an x-spirit for the same amount of money.

The phrase "practice what you preach" comes to mind...

Yes, I do say that and for 500 I would in the blink of an eye get an x-spirit. But you've never seen me talk to people about davidas. I'm just a spassionate about them. In the end people choose what they like.

[HungusMaximist]

doesn't care for that money he could buy a featherweight carbonfibre low-noise exemplar of safety technology and ergronomics at it's best.



You westie engineer..... :wacko:

[Phurrball]

of course there's the chance that wanting it has blinded him to the risks involved , but it's his money, and he can do his 10 minute commute in full gear, fluoro jacket, back protector and half-helmet if he so wishes - atleast now we can give him shit next time he tells banzai to buy a new helmet or me/stephen for commuting in jeans

(snip)

Why I persist in rabbiting on. I accept and acknowledge the latter bit. But what I'm hearing convinces me of the former, which I don't like in an intelligent person that I value as a mate.


"Type of Helmet We classified helmets as either full-face or open-face. Open-face helmets included half helmets covering only the top of the head and “jet pilot”-style helmets covering the top and sides of the head but not the face or chin"

I think that's the wrong part of the article to seize upon - the statistical significance and publication in a peer reviewed journal is enough for me. I'm disappointed you didn't take the bait and read further than the one example I provided and tell me what full face helmets can slightly increase the risk of.



A reason the percentage of injuries is greater in this test is the fact that "shorty's" and "soup bowls" and the such will barely protect your head. It's kind of like saying "we are going to compare injuries statistics between leather and non leather jackets. The non leather jackets can include plastic rubbish bags etc".

That would be extrapolation beyond the empirical data of the study and a specious analogy that presumes to know facts you can't possibly know. Perhaps the learned authors had a valid reason to put all open face helmets in one category? My suspicion is that 'jet style' helmets are probably more widely represented in the study than 'pudding bowls', but this is of course conjecture based on my observations.


The "jet" helmet produced by davida *as silly as it may sound* comes with the ACU gold sticker, meaning it is race approved in the uk *though I fully support the use of full face helmets in racing*. This means it is not some silly half bowl made out of toy store plastic I shall be putting on my head, but low and behold might actually have some inkling of quality and protectiveness.

Manufacturer provided information - things that sound silly usually are. I'd love to see someone turn up to a race in an open face helmet! Don't try and rebut anything with that.

I imagine that the test applied has significant weaknesses (like all helmet test procedures - they are not in vivo - the provided study is). I don't doubt the quality of the helmet, but you have it right with an inkling of protectiveness.

Refer the percentage impacts data I provided in the other SMC thread (Dietmar Otte, The Proceedings of the 1991 International Motorcycle safety Conference) No matter the quality of the helmet, statistically you will suffer an impact to your face in that helmet, with that coverage in 45.3% of crashes, 34.6% of that being jaw injuries. That would be close to 1 in 2. To my mind, that is a substantial and serious risk based on empirical facts, not opinion.


2. What were the conditions of the crashes. It just states autopsies of the deceased due to traffic accidents. Now the traffic in japan is hectic. Was there alcohol involved, excessive speed by the motorcyclist. What were the road conditions, motorcycle conditions etc etc. Stating that thirty six dead peoople between the age of 19 and fifty were studied.

Again, you go outside the study parameters to find an alternative explanation. I would think that evidence of helmet impact and a study of the injuries incurred are sufficiently narrow parameters to draw valid scientific conclusions about helmet protectiveness, the other listed factors are irrelevant to the study.


19 with o/f, seventeen with f/f. We found the open face helmets were worse than full face is a bit far. Study deceased people in excessive speed accidents with f/f and o/f "jet styles". Then bad weather f/f and o/f "jet styles" etc. Then collate results and reach a general conclusion.

Statistical significance is involved here, not a mere general conclusion. In my limited knowledge of stats, I would think the differences would have to be quite marked for significance to be attributed with a small sample size. (Anyone know more?)


The world is full of danger. (Snip = dangerous activities)I try my hardest, in fact I try 200% to not have accidents, to be aware and ride safely.These are dangerous activities but I love all of them. I know they are dangerous my friend, but living life in a safety bubble 100% of the time means I won't be experiencing the life I want to.

The activites you list, bar riding, are in the physical force realms which humans have evolved to cope with, survive and heal. Without external force input, the human body has limited accelerative potential and unless you're very unlucky, you'll be OK (eventually).

Brain injury is forever.

I know riding is dangerous, I also know that in spite of 30000km under my belt, I am still a n00b, so I control what is the greatest risk to the greatest extent possible - I like my maximal safety bubble round my cranium and my face.



I do appreciate your counsel. You are a good friend Ross and I am glad that you believe in what you are saying and are good enough of a friend to be worried with my decisions to try and change them. Let us partake in more discussion soon where I shall further take apart the attached study *whilst you will undoubtedly put your lawyerly skills to use and piece it back together*.

Not my belief. Empirical scientific study from a peer reviewed journal. One of many such examples my crude search uncovered.

I'm not trying to change your decision, I can't do that, you have free will. I'm just making sure that the risk you may run actually is an intelligently calculated one.

The likes of Big Dave (sorry to drag you in BD) have been riding for many years, and are certainly much more skilled in road craft/bike control and more importantly, avoiding accidents than you or I as relative newcomers. An experienced rider choosing to occasionally wear an open face is different to you or I choosing to wear an open face as their chances of successfully avoiding many accidents are much greater.

In my 30000km I've had two not at fault accidents involving other vehicles and no other bins. Those accidents had another vehicle out of my control involved. With odds like that, and the statistical liklihood of a facial impact, I sure as hell choose full face protection even on a 5 minute ride. A more experienced rider may have been able to avoid the accidents I had, so the risk they run is lesser than for you or I if they choose an open face helmet.


Tell me Kb, where's the passion gone. It's funny. The posts when I first started motorcycling were full of naive ideas of this is bad and this is good in the motorcycling world. I've come to realise that behind every decision a motorcyclist makes there is usually an emotional as well as logical idea. Without that emotional feeling, we will.....will.....dear god....all turn into katmans. Yes there is sense and logic, but I believe motorcycling is nothing without passion *disclaimer: that is an opinon not a statement*.

Maybe it's just me. *braces for tellings off and bad rep*

There's no slide towards Katmanism here. Naïveté never got anyone anywhere. Tell me how a full face helmeted person is less passionate than someone sporting an open face lid? Passion is independant of gear. Safe gear is smart. Passion comes down to the riding IMHO.

Ross.

[NordieBoy]

I like the bit in the study that says "avoiding motorcycle accidents is important".

[Phurrball]

^^^ I was amused by that too. Irony perhaps lost in the Engrish translation?

Good to know people are actually reading the PDF. It's only one of many studies out there. I would judge its greatest weakness as small sample size. Google scholar is your friend if you want to find more studies like it.

[HenryDorsetCase]

would it be OK if I bought one, and then just used it as an ornament in my study, or for car racing? (well, I say racing, I mean going down the shops really. Well i say going down the shops, I mean going for my L test)

[Big Dave]

>>
The likes of Big Dave (sorry to drag you in BD) have been riding for many years, and are certainly much more skilled in road craft/bike control and more importantly, avoiding accidents than you or I as relative newcomers. An experienced rider choosing to occasionally wear an open face is different to you or I choosing to wear an open face as their chances of successfully avoiding many accidents are much greater.<<

Yeah - I've posted all that a dozen times too.
Noobs wear a full face till you know what you are doing and have some experience at risk assessment. Be aware there is greater risk.
FWIW by 21 I had been riding 15 years.

That said, dicking around town, sunday arvo cruising, experienced rider, I think they are fine.
Fast open road touring, freeways, I wear an X-spirit or a Viper.

[jim.cox]

I'm not a fan of open-face helmets myself. I prefer to keep my jaw away from road contact

But if the helmet fits comfortably

And you like it

Then go for it

[ital916]

:shifty:, I have a few nice new pieces of kit. Product review will eventuate within the next few weeks. Tee-hee-hee.

[Phurrball]

^^ You got it then?

[ital916]

^^ You got it then?

Yup, i'll post pics at the end of the week, when my new helmet shall be accompanied by my baby..which is coming home in t minus 2 days. Oh yeah.

[TOTO]

:corn:
................

[Phurrball]

Fair enough. I hope sincerely that you don't live to regret it, as you could have had a super-fandangled full face for the price of your stylish but ineffective lid.

(I just gives a shit I does...)

Bear in mind I'm a little twitchy after being assaulted by wrong-doing vehicles twice - and getting off extraordinarily lightly so I've had reason to :sherlock: about what might have been...

(Not so for my poor, red motorcycles - no more red bikes. They're unlucky for me)

We all fall for style over function occasionally - 'cept most of us don't do it with safety gear :shutup:

Just dinnae expect people to take any ATGATT speak from you seriously no more.

:grouphug:

[EJK]

:corn:

Hey you! Give me some...




:corn: <- Me :corn: <- Todd

[ital916]

price of your stylish but ineffective lid.

(I just gives a shit I does...)

Bear in mind I'm a little twitchy after being assaulted by wrong-doing vehicles twice - and getting off extraordinarily lightly so I've had reason to :sherlock: about what might have been...

(Not so for my poor, red motorcycles - no more red bikes. They're unlucky for me)

We all fall for style over function occasionally - 'cept most of us don't do it with safety gear :shutup:

Just dinnae expect people to take any ATGATT speak from you seriously no more.

:grouphug:

Thats a stupid thing to say about the davida helmet, I take it you've crashed with one then. You know nothing about them, nor have you ever tried them on or had a look at them in the store. Matter of fact ross, the helmet I bought fits MY head the best as well as being very stylish. It's very comfy for me, fits very snugly and just makes my head feel good.

People can take atgatt from me seriously. I don't gloss things over and i tell people to ride with full gear, you'd think i'm riding with no helmet at all. This fucking o/f fight is gonna follow me everywhere with you tools innit :doctor:.

You'd think a congrats on your new helmet would be ok. Your still my friend though...:grouphug:

[Ragingrob]

Thats a stupid thing to say about the davida helmet, I take it you've crashed with one then. You know nothing about them, nor have you ever tried them on or had a look at them in the store. Matter of fact ross, the helmet I bought fits MY head the best as well as being very stylish. It's very comfy for me, fits very snugly and just makes my head feel good.

People can take atgatt from me seriously. I don't gloss things over and i tell people to ride with full gear, you'd think i'm riding with no helmet at all. This fucking o/f fight is gonna follow me everywhere with you tools innit :doctor:.

You'd think a congrats on your new helmet would be ok. Your still my friend though...:grouphug:

But... we already know that if we crash test the helmet face first, then we'll get fucked up. It's called not having any facial safety protection, so it makes it kinda hard to protect the facial area!

So does a half helmet fit into the full gear equation now? :eek5: That doesn't seem to make sense.

[ital916]

But... we already know that if we crash test the helmet face first, then we'll get fucked up. It's called not having any facial safety protection, so it makes it kinda hard to protect the facial area!

So does a half helmet fit into the full gear equation now? :eek5: That doesn't seem to make sense.
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh::laugh::laugh:

You guys crack me up, see yall on the road.

[Ragingrob]

Lol sweet, so is it tomorrow you get your bike back? Gonna get some riding in over the next few weeks and cruise the coro loop after exams?

:scooter:

[rachprice]

Definitely interesting reading for a boring night at work

[Ragingrob]

Definitely interesting reading for a boring night at work

So how about you Rach? Do you like your face enough to protect it?

[shingo]

Definitely interesting reading for a boring night at work

You should read the SMC forums, they are full of stuff like this.

[EJK]

You should read the SMC forums, they are full of stuff like this.

Esp threads started by Drider ;)
:dodge:

[rachprice]

Yeah Id prefer it not to get mangled but what would I know I never even entertained the thought of getting anything other than a full face helmet. Im in the market for a new helmet actually, well when i finally get some money!

[rachprice]

And I do read them often! Mostly because Im jealous of your sweet club but also for entertainment!

[PirateJafa]

Move to Aucks and join - it's almost worth it by itself! :D

[rachprice]

Nah I hate auckland!
Ill be up that way sometime though....prob gonna do a north island road trip over new years on the bike. Stop in and visit a few people here and there.

[Ragingrob]

:Offtopic:

Back to how half helmets are not going to stop the road eating your face please!

[PirateJafa]

Ha - and I'm considering doing a South Island road trip myself lol. Will have to make sure our paths cross and you see the SMC. :)

PirateEdit: Oops sorry Rob - I mistook this site for KB for a second.

[EJK]

:Offtopic:

Back to how half helmets are not going to stop the road eating your face please!

Oi! No more Dushy-Bashing! lol :dodge:

[rachprice]

Yes sir! :spanking:
(I did answer your question)

[Ragingrob]

Lol, well this thread isn't in the SMC forum so we should keep it more on topic.

[ital916]

Lol, well this thread isn't in the SMC forum so we should keep it more on topic.

Funny thats this isn't the smc forum rob yet the smc brought the fight here, and if you want to keep this thread on topic then give opinions on the DAVIDA helmet in question. Oh whoops I went and bought it, and it fits me and its the most comfy helmet I've worn and I'm happy with it, so I guess the thread is over.....so the smc can piss off back to their own little forum where you can each play with each others penises.

[PirateJafa]

But we aren't allowed to give our opinions on it?

You ASKED for opinions - so you got them. You didn't like what you got so now you're going all defensive... "awwww he's so cute when he's all self-righteous!"

[EJK]

Back to topic.

Davida Racing Series helmets here ->:lol: (http://www.davida.co.uk/styles.php?id=7)

[ital916]

But we aren't allowed to give our opinions on it?

You ASKED for opinions - so you got them. You didn't like what you got so now you're going all defensive... "awwww he's so cute when he's all self-righteous!"

No I asked for opinons on the helmet, all I got was you will die, you will lose you face etc etc not on the helmet itself. The thread was aimed at people who had worn them who could tell me about the longevity of the leather liner, conditiong for the interior of the helmet, the comfyness of the different jet styles *modern or classic* etc. All you brought to the thread was childish remarks and a narrow minded view on a great product. I have never dissed anyones choice of helmets *except for the crappy chinese rip off ones..pieces of shit they are*, even with kyles new shark helmets, which I have had bad experiences with the brand shark but in the end congratulated him on the purchase and think it's a fine helmet. One that he likes and fits him well.

[Ragingrob]

Funny thats this isn't the smc forum rob yet the smc brought the fight here, and if you want to keep this thread on topic then give opinions on the DAVIDA helmet in question. Oh whoops I went and bought it, and it fits me and its the most comfy helmet I've worn and I'm happy with it, so I guess the thread is over.....so the smc can piss off back to their own little forum where you can each play with each others penises.

Me and several SMC member have given our opinion on the fact that a helmet with no face protection is useless. We didn't bring the fight, you are fighting once again because you somehow think that we shouldn't be allowed to give valid, statistically based opinions.

Why make a thread asking for opinions if you can't handle being told them?

So once again, my opinion : I, Robert Hollier, solemnly believe that if you are wearing a Davida helmet and are involved in a crash not matter what the speed or conditions, there is a 100% chance that if you hit the road (or anything) face first, then the road (or anything) will destroy your face.

This opinion is based on the fact that if one smashes their face on the ground it hurts, and if one smashes their face on the ground while wearing a Davida helmet it hurts just as much, if not more from the added weight.

PS : If a helmet fits so nicely when you have first bought it, does that not mean that it will soften out and end up being too big for you after a few weeks?

If you don't even listen to the opinions of your friends, then why the fuck have you posted up a thread asking for the opinions of total strangers?

[ital916]

Back to topic.

Davida Racing Series helmets here ->:lol: (http://www.davida.co.uk/styles.php?id=7)

Believe it or not aj, people used to race in those helmets, they were quick racers. A few are actual race rep paint jobs I believe. Its funny how you all poke fun at me for the helmet choice I undertook but all aspire to own bikes that can do 300km/h and can kill you stupidly quick. Especially with the riding manner a lot of you have.

[PirateJafa]

No I asked for opinons on the helmet, all I got was you will die, you will lose you face etc etc not on the helmet itself. The thread was aimed at people who had worn them who could tell me about the longevity of the leather liner, conditiong for the interior of the helmet, the comfyness of the different jet styles *modern or classic* etc. All you brought to the thread was childish remarks and a narrow minded view on a great product. I have never dissed anyones choice of helmets *except for the crappy chinese rip off ones..pieces of shit they are*, even with kyles new shark helmets, which I have had bad experiences with the brand shark but in the end congratulated him on the purchase and think it's a fine helmet. One that he likes and fits him well.

Sorry, you're getting a tad personal here Dushy. Please show me exactly where I was bringing to this thread childish "remarks and a narrow minded view on a great product".

My sole posts in this thread was in direct reply to Andrew, a reply to Rachprice and the one just above.

Your emotions are clouding your mind and getting you rarked up. Take a chill pill and come back with some rational arguments.

[ital916]

Me and several SMC member have given our opinion on the fact that a helmet with no face protection is useless. We didn't bring the fight, you are fighting once again because you somehow think that we shouldn't be allowed to give valid, statistically based opinions.

Why make a thread asking for opinions if you can't handle being told them?

So once again, my opinion : I, Robert Hollier, solemnly believe that if you are wearing a Davida helmet and are involved in a crash not matter what the speed or conditions, there is a 100% chance that if you hit the road (or anything) face first, then the road (or anything) will destroy your face.

This opinion is based on the fact that if one smashes their face on the ground it hurts, and if one smashes their face on the ground while wearing a Davida helmet it hurts just as much, if not more from the added weight.

PS : If a helmet fits so nicely when you have first bought it, does that not mean that it will soften out and end up being too big for you after a few weeks?

If you don't even listen to the opinions of your friends, then why the fuck have you posted up a thread asking for the opinions of total strangers?

I got a very experienced friend to fit it for me. I did listen, then I came to the conclusion I wanted one, so i asked for opinions on a specific helmet that I like. Thats why. I decided a after the smc thread I wanted one so I took my choice out of that cess pit of a forum and posted this nice friendly genuine one in the gear forum. Oh for fucks sake, some moderator please lock this thread too. I have been thinking boys and girls, and thought that the smc isn't for me has started to cross my mind. Haha jafa I'm very chilled mate, takes more than this to get me even slightly annoyed.

[NordieBoy]

You'd think a congrats on your new helmet would be ok. Your still my friend though...:grouphug:

I love my open face helmet.
I also love my flip-front, other flip-front, full face, MX and other MX helmets.

[EJK]

This thread is getting a bit off-topic...

[Ragingrob]

This thread is getting a bit off-topic...

I tried to put it back onto the Davida helmet topic, but Dushi can't take anything impersonally. When I give him my honest opinion on the safety of this helmet, he hands out red rep telling me to "get fucked". And no Dushi, there is no nice way of telling someone to get fucked.

[NordieBoy]

Me and several SMC member have given our opinion on the fact that a helmet with no face protection is useless.

And you could be wrong.

How about 50kph around town with an open face? Safe or not?

[Ragingrob]

And you could be wrong.

How about 50kph around town with an open face? Safe or not?

I dunno, that van pulling infront of you, forcing you to go face first into the panel or window may not be too friendly.

If it was for an experienced rider sure around town and even for sunday cruises I would not be so opinionated. But for someone on their L-plate who hasn't exactly been non-crash-prone...?

[PirateJafa]

I dunno, that van pulling infront of you, forcing you to go face first into the panel or window may not be too friendly.

If it was for an experienced rider sure around town and even for sunday cruises I would not be so opinionated. But for someone on their L-plate who hasn't exactly been non-crash-prone...?

Hell, even Ross has been taken out a couple of times now around town.

50km/h faceplant with a openface helmet is still going to scar more than a 50km/h faceplant in a fullface.

I know that if I was wearing a openface helmet in my crash I would not only have a fucked elbow, but a more disfigured face/be dead to boot.

[NordieBoy]

I dunno, that van pulling infront of you, forcing you to go face first into the panel or window may not be too friendly.

If it was for an experienced rider sure around town and even for sunday cruises I would not be so opinionated. But for someone on their L-plate who hasn't exactly been non-crash-prone...?

Wonder how all the cyclists do it with even less protection and being even more invisible.

With a head-on you're usually impacting the forehead/top of the head anyway.
Unless you come down onto the boot of a sedan.

For a learner I'd reccommend a cheap fullface until they have the experience to knowledgeably choose what type of helmet they'd like to use in whatever situations.

On AdvRider at the moment is a large thread bashing the shit out of flip-fronts saying they're worse than open-face.

[Ragingrob]

Once again I will chuck this image on. According to this study (see attached picture), 44.5% of all crashes would affect the non-protected area of an open-faced helmet.

That means that every crash you are involved in, there is almost half a chance that you face and jaw will be involved, even at 20kph that is gonna hurt a lot!

Experienced riders will have a much lower crash rate, but even then, unfortunately we have to share the road with others.

I don't see how an ATGATT man like you Dushi can't see the importance of this fact. And no, I wouldn't give an opinion much thought from someone who says one thing and does another, makes it hard to believe that they mean what they say.

[Squiggles]

Wonder how all the cyclists do it with even less protection and being even more invisible

I have to use an electric shaver coz of the scar from when i fell off me skateboard, fuck that hurt

nice helmet, not for me, but yer gunna need some clipons and big megaphone exhaust to match :D You going to get leathers or stick with cordura?

im not here to preach, but keep my baby (the smc) out of this thread, what some members say has nothing to do with the smc ;)

[xwhatsit]

Oh whoops I went and bought it, and it fits me and its the most comfy helmet I've worn and I'm happy with it
Yeah, I really like my leather flatcap, it fits me really well and is really warm in weather like this. Haven't crash tested it yet, as I don't tend to fall off when walking down the road in a leather cap, but I'm sure as it fits so nicely and is so comfortable it'll do a great job.

[zeocen]

By the looks of the tags, it seems the SMC club has started to leak into other forums... a sad day :<

[motorbyclist]

Fair enough. I hope sincerely that you don't live to regret it, as you could have had a super-fandangled full face for the price of your stylish but ineffective lid.

please tell me i'm reading that wrong


Thats a stupid thing to say about the davida helmet, I take it you've crashed with one then. You know nothing about them, nor have you ever tried them on or had a look at them in the store.

FFS sake man you aren't listening. we don't give a shit how good a quality the helmet is, infact no-one has denied the fact - the issue is that quality doesn't make up for a complete absence of face protection

clearly you're yet to see someone crash face first in open face

and as i said before, you want it and there's nothing we can do to change that, but you are getting awfully defensive about it. stop trying to argue that quality makes up for lack of face protection when we all assume you're buying a quality helmet open or full face anyway and wake up man!

you, yet again, asked for an opinion, didn't like it, and then go off at us for simply stating the facts and out opinions.

we're all voicing these concerns as, considering your accident rate (which should go down with the new bike) and typical auckland drivers, we are concerned for your safety

will comment on how nice it looks when i/we see it

[motorbyclist]

*safety message removed*


can we stop arguing and let dushi enjoy his new helmet?:whistle:

[breakaway]

I wouldn't recommend it mate, not with your previous history.

[motorbyclist]

oi breakaway! i've seen you riding mt eden road like 5 times in the past 2 weeks and you NEVER wave back or even nod! jeez man! you could've got some free fruit smoothies !

[xwhatsit]

I suppose I'll make a guess at why everybody's getting so wound up about this;

I, along with many others, quite like open face helmets, and would own and wear one. However, they aren't anywhere near as good as a full-face helmet at protecting you when you arse off. Nobody minds people wearing and liking open-face helmets, but they do get upset when you start misrepresenting them and blindy believing (despite all evidence to the contrary) that they are a wise choice in terms of safety.

Another thing that strikes me as odd (especially being a uni student -- what was it, engineering?) is that you've been so sucked in by shiny marketing and bullshit stories from manufacturers. I think that's what Phurrball was talking about; it's one thing to get all misty-eyed and biased about bike brands, fer'instance (I buy right into all the Honda racing history/Soichiro Honda stuff), and to let your emotions sway your decision making in that regard. However to let yourself be swayed by stories of 60s TT winners wearing primitive safety gear is a little bit different. I don't think you should let emotions and `passion' (what a ghey little word) enter into buying essential life-saving stuff like a helmut. A useful analogy might be ripping the seatbelts out of your car because it looks cooler that way (and hey, it worked for Formula 1 for decades, didn't it?).

Anyway, that's just my silly little opinion. Please remember before flaming back that I'm not making a comment on your helmet; I'm quite jealous and would like one myself :D What I am making a comment on is the decision making process that went into it, and the unusual defensive behaviour that has gone along with it. But whatever; I don't like getting into arguments like this, especially since it's quite likely we'll meet someday and I don't like pissing people off just for shits and giggles.

[ital916]

I suppose I'll make a guess at why everybody's getting so wound up about this;

I, along with many others, quite like open face helmets, and would own and wear one. However, they aren't anywhere near as good as a full-face helmet at protecting you when you arse off. Nobody minds people wearing and liking open-face helmets, but they do get upset when you start misrepresenting them and blindy believing (despite all evidence to the contrary) that they are a wise choice in terms of safety.

Another thing that strikes me as odd (especially being a uni student -- what was it, engineering?) is that you've been so sucked in by shiny marketing and bullshit stories from manufacturers. I think that's what Phurrball was talking about; it's one thing to get all misty-eyed and biased about bike brands, fer'instance (I buy right into all the Honda racing history/Soichiro Honda stuff), and to let your emotions sway your decision making in that regard. However to let yourself be swayed by stories of 60s TT winners wearing primitive safety gear is a little bit different. I don't think you should let emotions and `passion' (what a ghey little word) enter into buying essential life-saving stuff like a helmut. A useful analogy might be ripping the seatbelts out of your car because it looks cooler that way (and hey, it worked for Formula 1 for decades, didn't it?).

Anyway, that's just my silly little opinion. Please remember before flaming back that I'm not making a comment on your helmet; I'm quite jealous and would like one myself :D What I am making a comment on is the decision making process that went into it, and the unusual defensive behaviour that has gone along with it. But whatever; I don't like getting into arguments like this, especially since it's quite likely we'll meet someday and I don't like pissing people off just for shits and giggles.

Haha I didn't let 60's tt winners cloud my judgement. Yes I'm an engineering student...that means I know a little/am learning more about engineering related topics so I did my research. Marketing is a bit of bullshit but it's not all waffle, I talked with owners of the helmet who gave me pros and cons. That is why I also have a s500 full face for longer tours/motorway etc. Not all students are poor, only ones that don't know how to save properly.

I really wanna see your cb250rs up close, another cafe racer fan....:hug:. Whats done is done, I'm over talking about it, I just wanna ride.

[NordieBoy]

im not here to preach, but keep my baby (the smc) out of this thread, what some members say has nothing to do with the smc ;)

What is the SMC?

[NordieBoy]

How old is that study now?

They obviously didn't include open face helmets in the study.

That's 44.5% of crashes where the helmet hit something.
What about all the crashes where the helmet hits nothing at all.

I'm quite comfortable seeing 50cc scooter riders going around in open face helmets knowing they're more protected than on a pushbike.

Open road... No.


Once again I will chuck this image on. According to this study (see attached picture), 44.5% of all crashes would affect the non-protected area of an open-faced helmet.

That means that every crash you are involved in, there is almost half a chance that you face and jaw will be involved, even at 20kph that is gonna hurt a lot!

[Ragingrob]

What is the SMC?

The Auckland Uni "Scooter and Motorcycle Club"




How old is that study now?

They obviously didn't include open face helmets in the study.

That's 44.5% of crashes where the helmet hit something.
What about all the crashes where the helmet hits nothing at all.

I'm quite comfortable seeing 50cc scooter riders going around in open face helmets knowing they're more protected than on a pushbike.

Open road... No.

Not sure about the age of the study.

If they included open face helmets in the study, then wouldn't the only difference be that 44.5% worth of numbers would be drawn on a face as opposed to a helmet? I'm not sure about crashes where the helmet doesn't hit anything AT ALL, I think that most youtube vids I've seen the helmet have some kinda impact.

[ital916]

Haha just a funny random bit of info. If you go to the draggin jeans website you will see the owner of the company get dragged along a runway at 135kph by a drag-car, one of the long ones, not sure of the name (don't know much about drag racing) to test the jeans, guess what he's got on his head.

[Ragingrob]

Haha just a funny random bit of info. If you go to the draggin jeans website you will see the owner of the company get dragged along a runway at 135kph by a drag-car, one of the long ones, not sure of the name (don't know much about drag racing) to test the jeans, guess what he's got on his head.

Well it's not as if he's gonna fall off the ground is it :lol:

[Badjelly]

Millions (billions?) of people managed to stay alive for the past 100 year riding motorcycles with half-face helmets (or none at all), so meh.

And some didn't.

[breakaway]

oi breakaway! i've seen you riding mt eden road like 5 times in the past 2 weeks and you NEVER wave back or even nod! jeez man! you could've got some free fruit smoothies !

Shit really? Were you on a moped? Because I stopped waving / nodding to moped riders after I realised only 1 in 50 acknowledge it. If not, I'm sorry must have not seen you!

[motorbyclist]

Not all students are poor, only ones that don't know how to save properly.


ooh i'd watch what you say there

if it wasn't for my living at home i wouldn't be able to afford to ride bikes. even with two jobs you need time go to do them, and during semester there isn't much of that, while you still have to pay rent/food/whatever

thanks to the BS age cut off for student allowances basically rendering it useless for the majority of students, most of us are infact forced to borrow to live. i know i just spent the last semester living off $150 a week, and i have plenty of friends in much worse situations.

the ridiculous thing is, a person is better off on the dole, not contributing a thing to society, than a student who will later be paying much more than what they received through their higher income (which sits them in the higher tax brackets too)

my mum was forced to return to the workforce in anticipation of my going to uni, otherwise my position would be unsustainable and i'd lose my flat to a tenant, and probably have moved out, sold the dirtbike (which would've still been a xr200), never have bought the pocketrocket, parents wouldn't have had the money to buy the vfr and i'd never have money for riding gas due to paying rent etc - which parents feared probably would have seen me doing what my peers were doing; something like a mechanic's apprenticeship, which really would have been a shame. unfortunately my littlest brother loses out on this one in some respects and until he gets his licence transport is constantly an issue, but the extra money has gotten him material things i only ever dreamed of.

if it wasn't for my parents i would be a "poor" student, and i know of many who are literally poor students.

it isn't a matter of saving but being fortunate enough to have some support.

[motorbyclist]

Shit really? Were you on a moped? Because I stopped waving / nodding to moped riders after I realised only 1 in 50 acknowledge it. If not, I'm sorry must have not seen you!

scooters towing trailers with big signs on them! dude, how cold you not notice?!

and then a few times on the vfr too but you won't recognise it in the new paint

[Ragingrob]

Yeah that was a bit of a cheap shot saying that it's each and every student's own fault for being poor.

Maybe the saying should be "Not all students are poor, only ones that don't live in remuera".

[ital916]

:finger::finger::finger::finger:

[Ragingrob]

Thats a cheap shot, you don't know anything. My family has worked really hard to get where we are so don't bring them into it rob or you will fuck me off, you say that to me in person on friday and you will see how fucked off I can get. I have worked for everything I own, it took me five years to work for my first bike. And yes I lived out of home and have flatted before so I know what it's like.

Mate, you're the one who seems really quick to make a generalisation about anything you have an opinion on. I was merely turning what you said around to prove to you what a stupid generalisation it was that you made. And all of a sudden you wanna fight me.

You also say that it takes a lot to get you worked up, well over the past few weeks it takes about nothing to get you going.

You also say that everyone has a right to an opinion. Yet when that opinion contradicts yours you completely deny and reject it because you know better.

You also say that if you ask anything on KB, you will just get a bunch of different opinions, and to do the research yourself and make your own mind up. So why did you start this thread?

You mention how maybe an unnamed club may not be right for you... Because other people in the world have personal views that don't match yours, and you can't bear that a majority of people give you an opposing opinion?! If you were/are so adamant in getting this helmet, just do it (as you have done). There's no need to make a big fuss over it or dispute people's opinions because as you say, everyone is entitled to an opinion. Why do you try so hard to defend your opinion if you already know what you want?

Give me a break.

PS : I thought that after that big thread you said you were gonna voice your opinions at that chiller and that we'd better be ready to voice ours. You didn't voice shit.

[PirateJafa]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ragingrob again.

It's the thought that counts mate - ya beat me to it.

[ital916]

I'm done, I'm outtie. :laugh:, see you guys later.

[PirateJafa]

Thanks for my first red rep on KB Dushy. :rolleyes:

Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make them wrong. If a thread is posted up asking for opinions, and people give their opinions - well isn't that exactly the whole fucking point?

I mean, really, your childish behaviour has me stumped - and by the looks of it, a lot of other people too.

I hope like hell you aren't going to take the same approach if you ever manage to become a engineer - "Oh here's two ways of building this skyscraper in Tokyo. This way is really safe against any possible earthquakes, but I think I'll make it this way because I think it looks shinier, and I'll ignore/flame anyone who disagrees with me."

Sounds like a great idea.

[ital916]

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[EJK]

Mate I've been given a lot* of red rep by you guys, so cry me a river. You tell me to grow some balls...:niceone:. Cos your oh so manly.

zomg! :not:
You can tell that to Skidmark :rofl:

*alot = 3

[ital916]

zomg! :not:
You can tell that to Skidmark :rofl:

*alot = 3

I've gathered a bit more from other people. lol. Hows the fxr going?

[PirateJafa]

Well congrats, you've got your first from me.


You tell me to grow some balls.... Cos your oh so manly.

At least when I make a comment, I'll stand by it rather than editing my life/credibility away.

And EJ, txt me next time you're up my way - I want to see this sexy new [running] bike of yours! :)

[EJK]

Hows the fxr going?

Brilliant :scooter:


Seriously back to topic.

I don't have an open face helmet but I do have a flip up helmet.
I prefer to ride with the lid down. Reasons why I wan't to ride with the lid down:

Too windy
Bugs hurt
Can't open my eyes.... barely
Can't breathe properly


Well ofcourse this Davida helmet may have this screen thingy at the front so it may remove the opinions above. (I can't really comment on Davida helmets)

Well seriously if you like the helmet and want the helmet, just go for it. I'm not gonna say no.
Well, I'll be waiting for a Davida Helmet review thread tho lol (eventually)

Preety much you'll either say "Don't buy it I've learnt the hard way..." or "I like my Davida Helmet"

:dodge:

[NordieBoy]

Well ofcourse this Davida helmet may have this screen thingy at the front so it may remove the opinions above. (I can't really comment on Davida helmets)

Actually my open-face has less windflow up into my eyes than my KBC FFR flipper with the front down.

But if I'm going to be in a situation where I'm worried about windflow then it's fast enough to be wearing the more full-face helmets.




It all comes down to time and place.

[motorbyclist]

You also say that it takes a lot to get you worked up, well over the past few weeks it takes about nothing to get you going.

reckon he needs to get laid, or go for a ride... or both



It all comes down to time and place.

imo 50kph is still too fast to justify an open face - of course open road riding means much more serious injury, but road rash and broken limbs (in this case broken nose/jaw/teeth/skull) still occur even below 30kph

of course many of us use invalid arguments or simply deny facts to justify to ourselves things that we know should otherwise not be doing - just i wish more people would man up and say "yeah, i know commuting in jeans via open windy road and the motorway is stupid, but i'm doing it anyway cause i find pants impractical most days" or "yeah i know treating the road as a racetrack is stupidly dangerous, but it's fun and i enjoy it", rather than threads like these where riders try to claim it isn't that bad and therefore not risky at all (or in this case rave on about quality, making them sound like a victim of marketing, when all they want is the look) and then get all touchy/defensive when others disagree/poke holes in the facade of crappy reasoning


no-one said dushy couldn't buy a helmet! were is the issue!?

[Phurrball]

Thats a stupid thing to say about the davida helmet, I take it you've crashed with one then.


I don't need to crash in one, I have formed an opinion based on empirical, independent evidence, and I fail to see how that's stupid. See BD's post above. That's what I'm getting at.

My posts have been measured and respectful. Basically, it boils down to *me* not wanting you to crash in an open face helmet around town. I can't stop you buying one, but I can like you enough to express the opinion that I don't want to see you hurt.

Probably you will be fine, I sincerely hope so, but I know from two crashes well under 50km/hr that the forces involved are huge even at low speed. Have you seen my Firestorm? That was an ~ 30km/hr crash. (will attach picture) Imagine if I'd landed awkwardly in a open face helmet...That crash was largely beyond my control, as two other vehicles were involved.


You know nothing about them, nor have you ever tried them on or had a look at them in the store. Matter of fact ross, the helmet I bought fits MY head the best as well as being very stylish. It's very comfy for me, fits very snugly and just makes my head feel good.

That's fine, I'm glad you like the helmet (Truly!) and I hope you're happy with it.

I have had a look at them online and in the old Motomail as well as a brief glance in the new store, and I thought some of the Davida full faces were wicked, Darth Vader looking things that I'd be happy to scare kids in. IMHO, that a helmet does not protect one's face is all I personally need to know to inform *my* decision not to buy it. We differ on this. That's fine, because we're grown ups, and we can differ and still be mates.


People can take atgatt from me seriously. I don't gloss things over and i tell people to ride with full gear, you'd think i'm riding with no helmet at all. This fucking o/f fight is gonna follow me everywhere with you tools innit :doctor:.

You'd think a congrats on your new helmet would be ok. Your still my friend though...:grouphug:

I'm truly sorry if I offended. It was not my intention. My intention was informed debate, NOT TO CHANGE YOUR OPINION.

Take this piece of opinion from crusty, old me: It's not a fight unless you choose to call it that and participate in it. I've never had an actual fight because I've chosen to walk away from them and avoid them by measuring my words carefully.

I look at some of you younger fellas now, and I see aspects of myself 10 years ago - the good and the bad.

I'm less colourful now, but I'd like to think I'm wiser. Age and cancer and loosing a parent really have changed my perspective on the world. I wonder how you'll look upon this in 10 years? Perhaps differently to now, I don't know.

*** Hobbles off on walking stick for a mug of milo and a quiet lie down to reminisce about the good old days ***

Yours in mateship (not in a gay way though!)

Ross.

[Big Dave]

You can't spit yer chewing gum through the window of a red light runner in a full face.

[Phurrball]

You can't spit yer chewing gum through the window of a red light runner in a full face.

You chew gum AND ride? You don't have a cupholder on any of yer bikes do you BD?? Who ever said men couldn't multitask...

[Big Dave]

You chew gum AND ride? You don't have a cupholder on any of yer bikes do you BD?? Who ever said men couldn't multitask...

cupholders!!!! I think fuel gauges are ghey.

[Phurrball]

cupholders!!!! I think fuel gauges are ghey.

Haha p/t. Have seen one on a Road King. I was disturbed. I didn't inspect any closer for fear of tassles.

*Offtopic as it is* The best fuel gauge is knowing your bike well and using the trip meter. There isn't a gauge on our baby VTR, and I've never run out of fuel and can quite confidently push it to less than a litre left.

[motorbyclist]

i seem to be skilled enough to consistently come to a rolling stop either in/outside a gas station or right outside a mate's driveway as he was about to drive out of it

only once have i had to push, and that was a mere 50m - the other time i was able to roll downhill back down the road to my driveway:laugh:

[Big Dave]

Haha p/t. Have seen one on a Road King. I was disturbed. I didn't inspect any closer for fear of tassles.

*Offtopic as it is* The best fuel gauge is knowing your bike well and using the trip meter. There isn't a gauge on our baby VTR, and I've never run out of fuel and can quite confidently push it to less than a litre left.

Neither Buell or Tbird have fuel gauges. 3 trip meters and one that auto counts from when the light goes on with the Buell. One trip meter and a reserve tap on the Tbird.

All 't needs laddy boy.

[motorbyclist]

i just check the bank balance;

if i've got money, then it's time to buy some petrol

[Phurrball]

It isn't just you copping if for the decision to buy open face when riding in Auckland Dushy. If you're inexperienced, Auckland traffic is dangerous - period.

Read this blog post: http://publicaddress.net/default,5095.sm

Then the subsequent thread (where only one reply I saw was from a KBer) where the author was strongly counseled to get a full face helmet immediately:

http://publicaddress.net/system/topic,1175,cracker_fillerup.sm

I note too the meme-checking of the correlation between open face helmets of a certain genre and a 'Vespa-Über-alles-gear-for-style-only' mentality.

[PirateJafa]

"you DO need a full face helmet because some GOOBER will try to kill you (it's mostly to preserve the dental records so they can identify your body without upsetting your mum, as I understand it)."

Bahahaha great link Ross!

[ital916]

I've clocked up a couple days on my davida now and all I can say is wow. It is a fantastic helmet.

As far as comfort goes, there is no problem. It fits my head really well and is surprisingly quiet for me, allowing me to forgo ear plugs *most of the time*. The leather interior is really soft, and has done an excellent job of keeping my knoggin warm.

I've travelled up to 80km/h and so far I have had no wind lifting the helmet or trying to pull it back.

The only negative I can say is that the goggles do tend to fog for the first five minutes of riding and when they fog, everything becomes a kaleidoscope of colours and shapes haha, especially at night. So a bit of caution is required when starting off at night.

Apart from that, I can't praise it enough. Rode through some torrential rain today and the goggles were great. The water ran off better than on my sharks visor. The balaclava I wear with it keeps my face warm whilst still allowing breath-ability.

Looks wise, it is gorgeous and I love it. Overall i'd give it a five star. The only other downside I can think of, is due to it's shape and extremely fitting nature many people will find taking it off lots will be an annoying procedure.

For me, it's perfect.

Happy riding

Drider

[treen]

do any of you know what kind of jacket the davida chick is wearing?

[ital916]

do any of you know what kind of jacket the davida chick is wearing?

Yes, I believe it would be a davida leather jacket as they do a davida range of leather gear. I will inquire with work on friday and send you a pm as to what jacket it is, if it is a davida one.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Yes, I believe it would be a davida leather jacket as they do a davida range of leather gear. I will inquire with work on friday and send you a pm as to what jacket it is, if it is a davida one.

can you please find out her vital statistics, home and mobile numbers, depraved sexual practices she likes, and whether the Guzzi is for sale?

Cheers :)