View Full Version : Rossi accepts Cliffhanger Challenge
Clivoris
2nd June 2008, 20:10
:bleh:Bullshit obviously.
However while talking shit with AJ Turbo (as you do) the other night, we wondered what a riding God like Rossi would make of the Cliffhanger. On identical machinery, how much quicker would he be than our current ruler, King Jay Lawrence? Would Jay's familiarity with the hill be enough of an advantage? Would Mr Rossi rock up, and be so full of highly compressed motorcycling ability, that he could knock out competitive times after the first couple of runs, or would he have as much trouble remembering the course as other first timers? Would he be bothered by the gravel on the corners?
I can only assume that guys like Rossi would tear it to pieces, but honestly don't know. How much faster is it humanly possible to get up there?
Sparky Bills
2nd June 2008, 20:19
In the end. People like Rossi will be fast no matter what they are on and where they are.
But would still be interesting to see.
Clivoris
2nd June 2008, 20:23
In the end. People like Rossi will be fast no matter what they are on and where they are.
But would still be interesting to see.
I reckon, but how much faster? Could we imagine 10 seconds on his first day?:eek:
98tls
2nd June 2008, 20:28
Who knows,the price to pay of an off on a track is usually way more acceptable a risk than in an event like a hillclimb,faced with trees cliffs etc ones own perception of self preservation may well factor.Ive got some saved videos,pics of a guy i know in England whos done very well in hillclimb events on a very modified Tls and as much as i like riding quick on such roads i gotta say this guys got balls of steel,wet road and willow trees everywhere.
Flyno
2nd June 2008, 20:29
I think after rossi on his last three seconds leave world champ Casey stoner i think he would leave the fastest time behind and crack an un imaginable, it would be the best to see tho!
After all he is the KING ON ROAD!
Quasievil
2nd June 2008, 20:39
I would be putting Money On Jay lawerence to kick his arse, Jay would be faster than a track glory boy like Rossi. Thats just my opinion.
besides Rossi would be to scared of upsetting his contractual obligations and upsetting his million dollar income stream to get down and dirty on a road race with da boyz !!
jrandom
2nd June 2008, 20:43
I'd be more interested to see what kind of times Jay could do on a GP circuit on Rossi or Stoner's current racebikes.
:yes:
White trash
2nd June 2008, 20:50
1st. Rossi would look at the course and then the organisers as if they had two heads if asked to ride it. It simply aint his scene.
2nd. If he was somhow enticed to ride there, it'd depend on the bike he was riding as to how he'd do. Chuck him in a WRX and I'm sure he'd have a shot, albeit 30 seconds down on Jay.
3rd. Jay hasn't got famliararity with the course, no one does. It's a road that you simply can not practice and is constantly changing. I'd imagine young Jay racer is also the first to admit that he's lucky Drew was riding a borrowed, un set up, fairingless, spaghetti slurper of a machine that he practically hadn't even seen before the meeting. Had he spent some time and a little money on the Triple 9, I imagine the results would have been far different.
Jay is the most spectacular rider that hill's yet seen, Drew's the quickest. For my mind.
Brotherly bias has nothing to do with it. Drew. I want my fifty bucks
Sensei
2nd June 2008, 21:31
Correct if wrong but didn't Brian Bernard set a record time the first run up there ??
Clivoris
2nd June 2008, 21:32
I would be putting Money On Jay lawerence to kick his arse, Jay would be faster than a track glory boy like Rossi. Thats just my opinion.
besides Rossi would be to scared of upsetting his contractual obligations and upsetting his million dollar income stream to get down and dirty on a road race with da boyz !!
:yes:Of course this has as much chance of happening as Jessica Alba asking to be my second wife. In my fantasy world this is exactly the sort of thing that Rossi would like to give a lunge. Grass-roots racing for the sheer joy of it and bragging rights.
I'd be more interested to see what kind of times Jay could do on a GP circuit on Rossi or Stoner's current racebikes.
:yes:
True that.
3rd. Jay hasn't got famliararity with the course, no one does. It's a road that you simply can not practice and is constantly changing. I'd imagine young Jay racer is also the first to admit that he's lucky Drew was riding a borrowed, un set up, fairingless, spaghetti slurper of a machine that he practically hadn't even seen before the meeting. Had he spent some time and a little money on the Triple 9, I imagine the results would have been far different.
Jay is the most spectacular rider that hill's yet seen, Drew's the quickest. For my mind.
Brotherly bias has nothing to do with it. Drew. I want my fifty bucks
Jay does have familiarity with the course in as much as he knows the corners, reference points, apexs etc. Heaps of other stuff on the Hill changes as you say, but it's still essential knowledge.
This isn't a thread about whether Jay or Drew is faster or who should have won the last Cliffhanger. On the day it could have been either of them and for the purposes of this thread it could be either. I just wonder if the local knowledge and the opportunity to give a multiple world champion the learn, would be enough to give them a fighting chance. I have absolutely no reference points for the comparison and would love to see what would happen.
Clivoris
2nd June 2008, 21:36
Correct if wrong but didn't Brian Bernard set a record time the first run up there ??
That would be good to know. I do suspect that at the top level (locals included) fast is fast, and they learn a course quickly.
Quasievil
2nd June 2008, 21:39
Correct if wrong but didn't Brian Bernard set a record time the first run up there ??
Yeah I believe so, but (thinking hard to remember the numbers) jay did take 6 seconds off it on a 600cc bike and Brian did it on a 1000cc.
As for Drew I would have loved to have seen him there with a top perfomring bike (he had issues on the 999) that would have made a great spectacle of racing Drew vs Jay, maybe next year.
ps a few more KB members should be making the pilgrimage to the event btw
Sensei
2nd June 2008, 21:48
[QUOTE=Quasievil;1590597]Yeah I believe so, but (thinking hard to remember the numbers) jay did take 6 seconds off it on a 600cc bike and Brian did it on a 1000cc.
Remembering though it was B Bernards first time up there at speed . Mate was quicker on his R6 than his R1 up there too .Have followed Deno & Jimb600
up there along time back now on my K3 1000 was pretty hard work from never been on the road before . Not abit of road I would like to get it wrong on at all . Hats of to thoughs that race there :2thumbsup
Quasievil
2nd June 2008, 22:02
[quote=Quasievil;1590597] Hats of to thoughs that race there :2thumbsup
Got that right dude, me balls arent big enough for that shite
RantyDave
2nd June 2008, 22:44
we wondered what a riding God like Rossi would make of the Cliffhanger.
He would hand everyone their arses.
I used to sail semi-seriously. I say "semi" because I was kinda shit at it and this is my out. Anyway, our club had a couple of really good chicks in it - one had won the Laser europeans a couple of times and one was a 'proper' Olympic hopeful. As a consequence between them they'd know other Olympic hopefuls, world champions etc and they'd come down to our nice cute club for a little Sunday afternoon race from time to time.
Now, we *had* these bastards. They bought their old boats, their old sails, and they generally speaking failed to take it at all seriously. To make matters worse we had challenging courses (top level sailing races are held around just three marks) around difficult 'local knowledge' terrain - moving mudbanks, large wind shadows from trees on the shore, lumps of water where the tide was either stopped or flowing in the opposite direction - they stood no chance.
So it goes without saying that whenever one of these Olympic types showed up, they handed us our arses. Occasionally one would get lost, go off on completely the wrong course, realise his mistake, have to sail all the way back, and beat us witless anyway.
My point is that people at the top of a sport ... you might think that the best locals would be able to use their superior local knowledge and lack of desire to live to beat them... But no. No offence to Jay who is clearly a far better rider than me, but I'm sure this applies to all sports and each of us. They're just much better than you think.
Dave
skelstar
3rd June 2008, 08:42
An interesting thread Clive... a true diamond in the rough these KB days.
roogazza
3rd June 2008, 08:47
Shouldn't this be in the jokes and humour section . G.
CHOPPA
3rd June 2008, 09:05
Both J and Drew said they could have gone faster, being this is the thread this is you would have to consider rossi would be doing it at 100%. It took me a good 5 runs to start getting any idea but id imagine a couple of runs and he would be away! He would do a 1.05!
codgyoleracer
3rd June 2008, 09:58
(IF) he accepted & (IF) you could afford him.
He would check out
Methinks he'd obliterate us. We might be fast, and others might think we're stupid, but Rossi has a gift for riding the wheels off his bike.
Even on the bike I rode, he'd smoke us!
If he'd ride, and we can certainly say, he wouldn't.
Were this kinda thing his bag, he'd be cleaning up the Isle of Man field yearly.
Clivoris
3rd June 2008, 16:33
Methinks he'd obliterate us. We might be fast, and others might think we're stupid, but Rossi has a gift for riding the wheels off his bike.
Even on the bike I rode, he'd smoke us!
If he'd ride, and we can certainly say, he wouldn't.
Were this kinda thing his bag, he'd be cleaning up the Isle of Man field yearly.
Yarp. That's what I think too. I'm less confident about the IOMTT. That event is off the map with the size of the course and subtleties to learn. There seems to be another layer of skill required as well as the usual racing skills.
slowpoke
3rd June 2008, 16:59
Were this kinda thing his bag, he'd be cleaning up the Isle of Man field yearly.
Hmmmm, dunno 'bout that one, I'm not disagreeing, i'm just not convinced.
It's one thing getting familar with 6 odd (and I do mean "odd") k's of road, it's another learning 50-ish k's. I look at guys like Dave Jefferies and Joey Dunlop in his later years, neither of them were capable of running at the front at a BSB event yet they were stellar on The Isle. Sheer outright speed is blunted when you are tipping into a series of blind corners.
Given a couple of years he might but first up I can't see it.
Without an FIM approved run-off area in sight the IOM is a test of nerve as much as skill so it would be interesting to see.
Str8 Jacket
3rd June 2008, 18:17
It'd be pretty cool to be able to say that you once raced against Rossi!
CHOPPA
4th June 2008, 00:05
Hmmmm, dunno 'bout that one, I'm not disagreeing, i'm just not convinced.
It's one thing getting familar with 6 odd (and I do mean "odd") k's of road, it's another learning 50-ish k's. I look at guys like Dave Jefferies and Joey Dunlop in his later years, neither of them were capable of running at the front at a BSB event yet they were stellar on The Isle. Sheer outright speed is blunted when you are tipping into a series of blind corners.
Given a couple of years he might but first up I can't see it.
Without an FIM approved run-off area in sight the IOM is a test of nerve as much as skill so it would be interesting to see.
I reckon guys that can make a good living at the sharp end on a circuit probably dont want to risk themselves by pushing 100% on a road circuit. Theres no way in my mind if you were to put rossi etc with a 100% commited mind set in to race the IOM no one would beat him. Theres prob lots to learn and differences on a road coarse but you cant beat that sort of ability
I can't believe people think local lads would beat the worlds greatest ever motorcycle racer up that hill... What are you people on????!! Have you been out of your province and seen world level riders race?
What, somehow our boys have the biggest balls or something? What a joke - No one wants to die - racers tend to find their limit and ride to it. Anyone noticed Rossi's limit?
roogazza
5th June 2008, 14:09
I can't believe people think local lads would beat the worlds greatest ever motorcycle racer up that hill... What are you people on????!! Have you been out of your province and seen world level riders race?
What, somehow our boys have the biggest balls or something? What a joke - No one wants to die - racers tend to find their limit and ride to it. Anyone noticed Rossi's limit?
Ah, SVR , logical posts , I'd forgotten ! cheers Gaz.
wharfy
5th June 2008, 15:32
Rossi might do it for fun, he came out here and drove a rally car for fun !
The cliff hanger is GREAT FUN !!! I've done a couple ( so slow that Jay and Drew would have almost passed me if I'd started in front of them :-) The top times were posted by racers and as far as I am aware the crashes were by non racers ( the first time I did it I almost crashed, I've done 1 race in clubman's B so I should be OK now :-)
The fast guys have a good idea of the limits and push them more on the track (where the consequences are less severe) than on the hill. I suspect Rossi would be the same but his limits would be a little further. He can get an F1 car to lap within a second of Schumacher, he is a handy rally driver and was go-cart champ as a kid, he's the only person to win back to back GP's on bikes from different manufacturers, he's won 90 Grand Pix races - like Super Gran "aye, there's nothin he canna doo"
wharfy
5th June 2008, 15:40
I can't believe people think local lads would beat the worlds greatest ever motorcycle racer up that hill... What are you people on????!! Have you been out of your province and seen world level riders race?
What, somehow our boys have the biggest balls or something? What a joke - No one wants to die - racers tend to find their limit and ride to it. Anyone noticed Rossi's limit?
Well yeah it is a joke - but a more interesting thread than most on KB ;)
wharfy
5th June 2008, 15:46
Hmmmm, dunno 'bout that one, I'm not disagreeing, i'm just not convinced.
It's one thing getting familar with 6 odd (and I do mean "odd") k's of road, it's another learning 50-ish k's. I look at guys like Dave Jefferies and Joey Dunlop in his later years, neither of them were capable of running at the front at a BSB event yet they were stellar on The Isle. Sheer outright speed is blunted when you are tipping into a series of blind corners.
Given a couple of years he might but first up I can't see it.
Without an FIM approved run-off area in sight the IOM is a test of nerve as much as skill so it would be interesting to see.
Drew won it the first time he entered ?
Drew won it the first time he entered ?
He's refering to the IOM there bro, and I sure as shit aint won that.
wharfy
5th June 2008, 16:01
He's refering to the IOM there bro, and I sure as shit aint won that.
Yet :-)
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Both J and Drew said they could have gone faster, being this is the thread this is you would have to consider rossi would be doing it at 100%. It took me a good 5 runs to start getting any idea but id imagine a couple of runs and he would be away! He would do a 1.05!
Dunno about a 1.05, probably about 10% faster than the record i.e. 1.56 (!). It took Warren Turner 4 tries at the IoM to get a replica i.e. get within 110% of the top riders. When Wazza had the record up the hill he weighed close to 100kg, rode an '98 R6 with 105hp, and rode a motorbike once a year.
Dunno about a 1.05, probably about 10% faster than the record i.e. 1.56 (!). It took Warren Turner 4 tries at the IoM to get a replica i.e. get within 110% of the top riders. When Wazza had the record up the hill he weighed close to 100kg, rode an '98 R6 with 105hp, and rode a motorbike once a year.
You rootin him or summat?
You rootin him or summat?
No Drew, the above forms of information can be obtained from people without having to `root' them.
quallman1234
7th June 2008, 14:14
No Drew, the above forms of information can be obtained from people without having to `root' them.
It takes less time if you do however.
denill
7th June 2008, 14:25
Valentino Rossi has extended his contract with Yamaha for two more years
Valentino Rossi has extended his contract with Yamaha for two more years
So he can't race the cliffhanger till 2011 then?
jrandom
7th June 2008, 15:17
So he can't race the cliffhanger till 2011 then?
Sure he can; I see nothing in the rules that would exclude YZR-M1s.
Clivoris
7th June 2008, 20:17
Sure he can; I see nothing in the rules that would exclude YZR-M1s.
Nope, he has to ride a Honda 400 like the other, very secure in their sexuality, hardmen there.:laugh:
jrandom
7th June 2008, 20:41
Nope, he has to ride a... 400...
He could pull a couple of plug leads out.
driftn
8th June 2008, 17:10
Dont get me wrong Rossi is a god on the race track.
Get him on the road however and i think he would be a bitch.
I would kick his arse and im shit.:2guns:
wharfy
9th June 2008, 12:19
Rossi is going to use my Hornet - Here he is practising :yes::yes:
http://www.helmethairblog.com/entries/rossi-on-a-hornet-900-honda-919/
Deano
9th June 2008, 15:23
Rossi eh ? What a coup - we might even get it televised next year.
Clivoris
9th June 2008, 15:59
Rossi eh ? What a coup - we might even get it televised next year.
I must confess that he was my second choice, but Barry Sheene is otherwise engaged and would be even harder to get here.
scracha
10th June 2008, 09:04
I must confess that he was my second choice, but Barry Sheene is otherwise engaged and would be even harder to get here.
Oh dear...slightly bad taste there Clive.
roadracingoldfart
10th June 2008, 20:13
I must confess that he was my second choice, but Barry Sheene is otherwise engaged and would be even harder to get here.
Oh dear...slightly bad taste there Clive.
Well one could say he will have a bit of divine intervention
(reason to protest) on his side.
Heck when Barry was alive he probebly would have come and had a go if he was asked to. Real helpfull chappie he was.
Ill go out on a limb and say Colin Edwards may be looking for a job next year anyhow so ask him to guest ride a 400 at the hillclimb. :shutup: :yawn:
Clivoris
10th June 2008, 20:50
Oh dear...slightly bad taste there Clive.
No disrespect intended. Quite the opposite intended.
Heck when Barry was alive he probebly would have come and had a go if he was asked to. Real helpfull chappie he was.
Ill go out on a limb and say Colin Edwards may be looking for a job next year anyhow so ask him to guest ride a 400 at the hillclimb. :shutup: :yawn:
Colin would be lucky to get a ride on the Shower Buddy 400 wouldn't he?
roadracingoldfart
11th June 2008, 07:05
Colin would be lucky to get a ride on the Shower Buddy 400 wouldn't he?[/QUOTE]
Only if his dreams :drool: and my nightmares :crazy: came true on the same day mate ....
gixerracer
13th June 2008, 20:38
:bleh:Bullshit obviously.
However while talking shit with AJ Turbo (as you do) the other night, we wondered what a riding God like Rossi would make of the Cliffhanger. On identical machinery, how much quicker would he be than our current ruler, King Jay Lawrence? Would Jay's familiarity with the hill be enough of an advantage? Would Mr Rossi rock up, and be so full of highly compressed motorcycling ability, that he could knock out competitive times after the first couple of runs, or would he have as much trouble remembering the course as other first timers? Would he be bothered by the gravel on the corners?
I can only assume that guys like Rossi would tear it to pieces, but honestly don't know. How much faster is it humanly possible to get up there?
rossi would smoke em. hes 30kg lighter so bike would pickup heaps better brake better turn better go faster etcetc and hes way better i would think about 5-10 seconds up the hill look what johnny burkhart done his 1st go on a stock gsxr600 he almost bat J king of the hill pfft rossi may be up to 20 seconds
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