Moving the capital of NZ to Auckland... Good or Bad?

[Bren]

Well, just found this news item today, and can see where it's coming from but I do not totally agree with it, in fact I am somewhat pissed off, not so much at the idea, but the way these local body politicians are putting it across...


Waitakere Mayor Bob Harvey is advocating a shift of government north from Wellington while his colleagues from the North Shore and Auckland City are split.

Bob Harvey sounded very one sided in his opinion stating things like "Auckland is the Powerhouse of the Country"...So the rest of us aint worth shit?

"I think there's a case for the capital to be moved to Auckland. A quarter of the population lives here, it's the economic powerhouse of the country, it's the Pacific capital of the world," he said.
and this comment?...

"Wellington is a very small town on the end of the great fish of Maui. Nothing more and nothing less," Mr Harvey said.

I think this guy is gonna get a lot of people pissed off...

The other mayor from north shore is supporting his idea...

But over on the North Shore, mayor Andrew Williams was supportive saying a move north would be a "jolly good idea".
"Wellington would be turned into a glorified ferry terminal and it would put Auckland back to its rightful position as the capital of New Zealand," Mr Williams said.



I am sorry, but even though I am an ex Jafa I think these Jafa bigshots cannot see past the bombay hills...it's the same old story...


Thats just my opinion...



...Full story here. (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10514807)

[jim.cox]

Move Parliament to Dorkland?

Absolutely

Tidy up the country

Keep litter down

Put all the arseholes in one place

[Bren]

Move Parliament to Dorkland?

Absolutely

Tidy up the country

Keep litter down

Put all the arseholes in one place

If I could give ya bling for that statement I would....remind me tomorrow...

[MSTRS]

And where would Parliament Bldgs be?? Otara? One can only hope....

[tri boy]

Instead of Akld, how bout.........oh never mind Raoul Isld is DOC controlled, and the pollies would compete with the native fauna for food.

[quallman1234]

The cost would be massive, waste of tax payers money in my oppion.

[Big Dave]

Q: What is the Capital of NZ?
A: $12.

[hellkat]

Fukk dat!

Despite being a fully paid-up born and bred member of the Auckland is The Dogs Bollocks society, I have to admit to NOT liking this idea at all.

Wellington has to have SOMETHING going for it.
Being the capital is the only thing which distinguishes it.

Leave it where it is.
Keep all the political arseholes down there in the crappy place where they belong and not clutter up our beloved Auckland any more than it already is.

[hellkat]

Then again, I'm female and reserve the right to change my mind in a whimsical fashion at some point when it suits me.
:devil2:

[skidMark]

Auckland used to be the capitol of NZ...

Only reason it is not is because the parlimentry buildings are now in wellington.

[Bren]

apologies for my grammar...it sucks....but what do ya expect from a redneck..

[peasea]

Auckland's a shithole IMHO.

Ya can't get anywhere unless it's 4.00am and even then the boy racers will run you over. Imagine having some big wanker-filled diplomatic delegation trying to worm their limo cavalcade through Pitt Street on a Friday afternoon. Move the centre of what is lossely termed our 'government' to somewhere like Winton or Eketahuna, see if we can get some soul into the bastards.

Moving the capital is a waste of money; money we apparently don't have.

[peasea]

Then again, I'm female and reserve the right to change my mind in a whimsical fashion at some point when it suits me.
:devil2:

OMG! You'll want the vote next.

[James Deuce]

From a purely personal perspective, I'd lose my job if that happened, and I'm not moving back to Auckland. Relocation would no doubt be offered, but I wouldn't want to live there.

So I'd probably actually get on with moving to Aus and I know quite a few of my workmates would do the same if they were suddenly unemployed.

[slofox]

Gawd save us - too much rubbish up there already............

[Usarka]

Piss off we don't want any of those politician types up here, the place is full of dickheads enough as it is.

it'll have to rename to "Prolapsed-Mianus"....

[Pedrostt500]

How soon can we start moving them up is NOW to late, Wellington would love to be rid of the Parasites, I mean Politicians.
Come on Auckland take them
Now

[yod]

Auckland used to be the capitol of NZ...

Only reason it is not is because the parlimentry buildings are now in wellington.

or maybe, the parliamentary buildings are in Wellington because it's the capital?

Russell was the first capital I believe

[The Stranger]

From a purely personal perspective, I'd lose my job if that happened, and I'm not moving back to Auckland. Relocation would no doubt be offered, but I wouldn't want to live there.

So I'd probably actually get on with moving to Aus and I know quite a few of my workmates would do the same if they were suddenly unemployed.

I was dead against it, but now I'm starting to warm to the idea.

[PrincessBandit]

Move Parliament to Dorkland?

Absolutely


Put all the arseholes in one place

I thought it was already full of them. Why would we want the Wellington ones squeezing into the sphincter as well??

[James Deuce]

I was dead against it, but now I'm starting to warm to the idea.
Love you too bro! :)

[Swoop]

Absolutely not!
Keep the retarded, inept, parasites of NZ, in the circular wind tunnel.

The added benefit is the fact that when they fly into wellytown, "to go to work", they get the shit scared out of them with each windy landing.

If anywhere, send them to Canterbury.
All their bullshit will fertilise the plains.

[scracha]

Why isn't Canberra an option?

[MIXONE]

apologies for my grammar...it sucks....but what do ya expect from a redneck..

If you are a true redneck your grammar is probably your pa's big sister!

[Jantar]

Geographically, Wellington is not the best place to be our capital city. There are effectively only two roads into it, and the aiport isn't capable of being extended.

Auckland is just as bad with its congestion through a narrow strip of land.

The best city to be Capital, if it was to be moved, would be Hamilton. Good access from 4 directions, and even further away from the South Island. :sleep:

[yod]

why does it matter how many roads go in and out of it?

[mstriumph]

how about somewhere in Afghanistan?

there's something kinda warm and fuzzy thinking of all the pollies relocating there ...:shifty:

come to think of it - let's move the Aussi ones there, too .......

[NordieBoy]

Move it back to Collingwood.

[nallac]

Why isn't Canberra an option?

+1 to that

get rid of the cross dressing once and for all.
bump up the wages
let the coppas carry firearms

[Bren]

Move it back to Collingwood.

if my history serves me right Collingwood was never the Capital...
...just a proposal

[davereid]

Bob Harvey sounded very one sided in his opinion stating things like "Auckland is the Powerhouse of the Country"...

Hmm... Aucklanders do like to point that out, as a justification for getting extra road tax, schooling, electricity ... the list goes on.

But, who really IS the powerhouse of the country ?

Hmm looks like its Levin.

Or at least rural NZ.

NZ Trade and industry figures ... 2006
Exports, in decending order of value

Dairy = 22%
Meat = 15.27%
Wood = 6.4%
Machinery = 5%
Aluminium = 4.74%
Starch = 3.9%
Fish = 3.47%

Hmm. It would seem that in term of EARNING money, Aucklands not really even on the chart.

It may be a bit like real life.

I wear overalls. I run three firms, and make a healthy profit.

My wife wears a nice frock, and uses the money I make to go shopping.

When I walk in a shop, the retailers look at my overalls, and walk away.

When my wife walks in, they race over.

Hi Maria ! Hope you are well ! how can we help !

[Dafe]

Where in Auckland would they squeeze in a Parliament and the multitude of other government ministries and supporting organisations?

Will never happen because there is no space in Auckland for the infrastructure.
Also, the government couldn't afford to relocate parliament alone. The other ministries would cost 10-20 times that again.

Let's be realistic here. There is more chance of relocating Parliament to the Wairarapa. Perhaps that should really be the topic of discussion since it's more likely.

[Mikkel]

Russell was the first capital I believe

...and it's nicer too. And they also have a ferry :yes:


Why isn't Canberra an option?

Or London for that matter! I mean, the capital should be where the head of state resides right.


Geographically, Wellington is not the best place to be our capital city. There are effectively only two roads into it, and the aiport isn't capable of being extended.

It doesn't really matter too much. Take Holland - the capital is The Hauge, however the main cities are Amsterdam and Rotterdam.


Where in Auckland would they squeeze in a Parliament and the multitude of other government ministries and supporting organisations?

Plenty of space out west I've understood ;)

[kevfromcoro]

nah..they would all fall over......because there is no wind up here

[peasea]

Hmm... Aucklanders do like to point that out, as a justification for getting extra road tax, schooling, electricity ... the list goes on.

But, who really IS the powerhouse of the country ?

Hmm looks like its Levin.

Or at least rural NZ.

NZ Trade and industry figures ... 2006
Exports, in decending order of value

Dairy = 22%
Meat = 15.27%
Wood = 6.4%
Machinery = 5%
Aluminium = 4.74%
Starch = 3.9%
Fish = 3.47%

Hmm. It would seem that in term of EARNING money, Aucklands not really even on the chart.

It may be a bit like real life.

I wear overalls. I run three firms, and make a healthy profit.

My wife wears a nice frock, and uses the money I make to go shopping.

When I walk in a shop, the retailers look at my overalls, and walk away.

When my wife walks in, they race over.

Hi Maria ! Hope you are well ! how can we help !

Ain't that the truth?
It wasn't so long ago we rocked up to a show home on our bikes, checked it out and thought "we can do this" but the sales staff were ignoring us. We left and won't be going back.

On the flip side; we went looking for a new freezer today, both of us in work clothes. I'm in steel-capped boots, beanie, scruffy jeans etc and the service was impeccable. They didn't have the drawer-type that we wanted but they are getting one in for us to look at and will call when it arrives. I think they have a sale on their hands!

[NordieBoy]

if my history serves me right Collingwood was never the Capital...
...just a proposal

And I propose it again :)

[James Deuce]

Russell wasn't the first capital. Kororareka was, in the sense that it was the first "white" settlement in NZ.

And it was a shithole.

It was officially known as the "Hellhole of the South Pacific".

It was a place for dropping off muskets, alcohol and blankets, and picking up slaves and pox ridden whores.

So Hobson bought some land about 12 km away and called it Russell and built a courthouse and went, "Aha! THIS looks like a Capital to me!"

And then went and did the Treaty negotiations waaaay the hell of the other side of the bay at Waitangi.

He wasn't a smart man.

Busby was though, hence why the Capital IS in Wellington. The phrase "pwned" was probably coined to describe Busby's acquisition of New Zealand for a ha'penny farthing and nine pence, whilst the poor bloody indigenous population were still exclaiming over the concept of swapping really valuable stuff for something with no intrinsic value.

Don't move it to Collingwood. I want to retire there. Please don't ruin it for everyone.

[aotearoawise]

Is Auckland not the capital of N.Z??? O.M.G!!

[NordieBoy]

Auckland is in New Zealand?

I thought it was a seperate entity with it's own king.

[Quasievil]

Captial of what, crime ?

[fridayflash]

no way! wellington has that great "civil hub" feel about it
and tv programmes like "gliding on" would never have been
the same if set in auckland

[Flatcap]

Hmm... Aucklanders do like to point that out, as a justification for getting extra road tax, schooling, electricity ... the list goes on.

But, who really IS the powerhouse of the country ?

Hmm looks like its Levin.

Or at least rural NZ.

NZ Trade and industry figures ... 2006
Exports, in decending order of value

Dairy = 22%
Meat = 15.27%
Wood = 6.4%
Machinery = 5%
Aluminium = 4.74%
Starch = 3.9%
Fish = 3.47%

Hmm. It would seem that in term of EARNING money, Aucklands not really even on the chart.


That old chestnut. That argument is better applied to Wellington.

And the simple fact is the tax take from Auckland subsidises services elswhere in the country, so you rural lot should all be thankful

[hazard02]

And where would Parliament Bldgs be?? Otara? One can only hope....

Killer Bees can hang out at the beehive.

Seriously though, this is a terrible idea. There are enough horrible people living in Auckland with politicians to boost their numbers.

[jrandom]

Wellington doesn't really have a point, apart from being Das Kapital.

There may be some efficiencies that could theoretically be gained from removing its reason for existence, but the actual cost of transferring the capital to Auckland would exceed those by orders of magnitude, so the idea is silly.

I gotta say, though. Regarding Wellington, I've always wondered who the hell looked at that bit of land and thought "Ah, let us build a city here"?

I mean, it's basically a bog surrounded by cliffs and ravines, with an opening at the south end to let freezing gales through.

WTF, people? I mean, seriously.

Auckland and Christchurch, f'rinstance - the geography makes them natural places to settle.

Wellington, though?

Go stand on a hill and actually look at the damn place. Every second building is either about to sink into the ocean or fall off a cliff.

Frankly, it's a ridiculous place for a city, and should have been left as unproductive wilderness; it exists solely due to the accident of a location convenient during the era of horses, carts and sailing ships.

[Bren]

Wellington doesn't really have a point, apart from being Das Kapital.

There may be some efficiencies that could theoretically be gained from removing its reason for existence, but the actual cost of transferring the capital to Auckland would exceed those by orders of magnitude, so the idea is silly.

I gotta say, though. Regarding Wellington, I've always wondered who the hell looked at that bit of land and thought "Ah, let us build a city here"?

I mean, it's basically a bog surrounded by cliffs and ravines, with an opening at the south end to let freezing gales through.

WTF, people? I mean, seriously.

Auckland and Christchurch, f'rinstance - the geography makes them natural places to settle.

Wellington, though?

Go stand on a hill and actually look at the damn place. Every second building is either about to sink into the ocean or fall off a cliff.

Frankly, it's a ridiculous place for a city, and should have been left as unproductive wilderness; it exists solely due to the accident of a location convenient during the era of horses, carts and sailing ships.


Hehe....Christchurch, a good place to settle...I dont think so...Back in the day when it was settled it was basically a Flaxen and Raupo bog...

[jrandom]

Hehe....Christchurch, a good place to settle...I dont think so...Back in the day when it was settled it was basically a Flaxen and Raupo bog...

Yes, but it's hard to avoid the necessity of a city in that location, given the surrounding agriculture.

[NordieBoy]

And the simple fact is the tax take from Auckland subsidises services elswhere in the country, so you rural lot should all be thankful

So if we turn off your power you won't mind?
And you can pay for your own roads too.

[Flatcap]

So if we turn off your power you won't mind?
And you can pay for your own roads too.

We already did pay for our own roads, except the government appropriated the funds to pave elsewhere in the country.

Again, be thankful

[Skyryder]

Instead of Akld, how bout.........oh never mind Raoul Isld is DOC controlled, and the pollies would compete with the native fauna for food.


I think White island would be better:jerry::jerry:

Skyryder

[Skyryder]

I think it's a good idea.......the further some of them are away from me the better.


There's a realy nice peice of land on Bastion point. They could live in tents and practice what they preach by reducing their own carbon emissions. :Offtopic:

Skyryder

[The Pastor]

It would save nz alot of money having it in auckland.

[wickle]

I think White island would be better:jerry::jerry:

Skyryder
No use White Island as a prison!

[PrincessBandit]

I think White island would be better:jerry::jerry:

Skyryder

Or the entire island(s) of Tonga or Samoa?

[Bren]

Or the entire island(s) of Tonga or Samoa?
too nice ans warm...I vote the Chatham Isles

[wickle]

Cant let the Capital go to AKLD, next thing Akld'ers wouild what a border at the bottom of the Bombay Hills as some of them already think that where the country ends.

[Jantar]

Cant let the Capital go to AKLD, next thing Akld'ers wouild what a border at the bottom of the Bombay Hills .....
Well that is the best reason yet for moving the capital TO Auckland. :jerry:

[Jantar]

That old chestnut. That argument is better applied to Wellington.

And the simple fact is the tax take from Auckland subsidises services elswhere in the country, so you rural lot should all be thankful

We have heard this claim from Auckland so many times, yet it is been shown to false again and again.

On direct income tax (paye etc) Auckland pays and receives in the same proportion as the rest of the country. It is company tax where Auckland appears tp pay more tax proportionally than the rest of the country, and that is purely because of the number of companies with head offices in Auckland. Take a fuel company as example, it makes more profit from its sales in rural areas because of the greater distances travelled per head of population, but all profit, and hence all tax is calculated at the Auckland head office. That is how Auckland can make the claim, by simply ignoring the fact that it is the rest of the country sending money to Auckland before it is counted for tax purposes.

[Sollyboy]

Hmm... Aucklanders do like to point that out, as a justification for getting extra road tax, schooling, electricity ... the list goes on.

But, who really IS the powerhouse of the country ?

Hmm looks like its Levin.

Or at least rural NZ.

NZ Trade and industry figures ... 2006
Exports, in decending order of value

Dairy = 22%
Meat = 15.27%
Wood = 6.4%
Machinery = 5%
Aluminium = 4.74%
Starch = 3.9%
Fish = 3.47%

Hmm. It would seem that in term of EARNING money, Aucklands not really even on the chart.

It may be a bit like real life.

I wear overalls. I run three firms, and make a healthy profit.

My wife wears a nice frock, and uses the money I make to go shopping.

When I walk in a shop, the retailers look at my overalls, and walk away.

When my wife walks in, they race over.

Hi Maria ! Hope you are well ! how can we help !

Torism is 8.9% of GDP , out of all the revenue you listed it was the only one that is sustainable and mostly enviromentally friendly,it also doesnt utilise half the countrys usable land to generate profit ,Auckland is the gateway , and tourism is the only export that gathers GST , Auckland rocks , you haters can go fuck yourselves............:rockon:Aucks:rockon:

[CB ARGH]

Not more fucking tourists!


NO :girlfight:

[davereid]

Torism is 8.9% of GDP , out of all the revenue you listed it was the only one that is sustainable and mostly enviromentally friendly,it also doesnt utilise half the countrys usable land to generate profit ,Auckland is the gateway , and tourism is the only export that gathers GST , Auckland rocks , you haters can go fuck yourselves............:rockon:Aucks:rockon:

What a load of bollocks.

What does the word "sustainable" mean ?

For most of the world it means the rich man, stealing their land, (and therefore their food production.)

Generally, the rich use the "sustainable land" for very good, reasons.

Like ....

We use the poor mans food to make the rich man cheap petrol.
We use the poor mans food to make the rich man cheap electricity.
We use the poor mans food to ensure the rich man stays fat, and rich.

"Sustainability" is the process of replacing the finite resources of coal, oil, and metals, with the much more finite resource of arable land.

Of course, the arable land we choose, we usually seize with dollars, not bullets, as we are green, caring and civilised. We even organise conferences in Rome, so we can chat (caringly) over dinner and drinks about the people we are starving !

And with regard to "tourisim" being environmentally friendly ?

You could hardly be more wrong. The tourist gets here in a jet. He has already used more fuel (and carbon) than I will use in a year.

Then, he will eat as much as me, therefore using exactly the same carbon as I do. He will travel, normally much greater distances than I do, using more carbon.

He will stay in hotels and motels, using fossil fuels to stay warm, dry his clothes, and eating entirely processed foods.

During the same time, lots of kiwis will heat their home with wood, dry clothes on the line and eat food they grew, or hunted.

Sorry ! Tourisim is about as un-green as it can get.

[mbazza]

:woohoo:Iv'e had second thoughts! Shifting those politicians to Auckland is probably fair. Auckland deserves those who should be ignored the same as the whole of the city should be ignored. A cunning plan for those of us who ride down here. As long as they don't want to make us have front identification on our bikes like the Aussies are planning to have. Cheers.
:eek:

[imdying]

Naw, I wouldn't.... there's too many niggers in Auckland, and they already have far too much say about anything anyway.

[oldrider]

What!!!!! Make the "City of Indecision" the capital of the country!!!

I was stationed there in Dovemeyer Robinson's day and they still have not done the things they set out to do as high priority back then!

Nothing ever gets done in Auckland except crime growth and development!

City of sails my arse, City of Indecision, YES!

Leave the capital where it is. If it aint broke, don't fix it! :doh: John.

[HenryDorsetCase]

They need to adopt the London model: the GLC and give it some teeth.

In fact, isnt "Red Ken" Livingston unemployed at present?

[MisterD]

They need to adopt the London model: the GLC and give it some teeth.

In fact, isnt "Red Ken" Livingston unemployed at present?

Oh god no. He's in the top 5 reasons why I left....