1 liquor outlet or 50 whats the difference?

[98tls]

Alcohol and its availablity was bought up in another thread and on the News there was a segment about to many outlets in one area,so what the problem?If people want it they will go however far it takes to get it i would have thought so wheres the link from to many outlets to more problems in the communities with to many outlets? Never been a secret that theres more crime on the poorer side of town but can it be blamed on to many liquor outlets?At what number does the crime rate go down?

[FilthyLuka]

i would say about 49 liquor stores

/endsmartarse

[FJRider]

Money will generally be found for booze and smokes, before "other" food items on the grocery list.

[BuFfY]

I used to work for a company (Magua still does) that gets all the data from the liquor stores and uses it to increase Lion Nathan sales.
I remember talking to one store owner about the amount of liquor stores in her area, 5 within about 2 blocks, and how hard she finds it with the price of things. She found if she increased something by a dollar, people would just go to the store down the road.

I was always so scared going into some of the stores because I always seemed to get the dodgy areas. In one store in Favona (rough South Auckland) I heard the owner telling a rep about a brawl happening in a store around the corner earlier that day. I had been to that store the day prior!
One other store I went to deep in Otara the customer couldn't even walk around. The guy sat behind steel bars and got the booze for the customer because of so many incidents.

Too many liquor stores = more robbers? I disagree. They would just end up going to other places of work to steal or rob or kill.

I hope they get what they deserve.

[98tls]

Money will generally be found for booze and smokes, before "other" food items on the grocery list.
For sure mate but does having less outlets mean they will change?

[Ixion]

This used to be the argument for the Licensing Trusts (And I remember when we got to vote for or against prohibition at every election).

Can't quite see the point of fretting about liquor stores when every supermarket ahs a well stocked booze section.

[98tls]

This used to be the argument for the Licensing Trusts (And I remember when we got to vote for or against prohibition at every election).

Can't quite see the point of fretting about liquor stores when every supermarket ahs a well stocked booze section. Did i see on the News awhile back that supermarkets are going to be selling spirits soon?

[Forest]

As I said in the other thread: Alcohol isn't the problem. Abuse of alcohol is the problem.


IMO we need to get rid of the binge drinking culture. It irritates me that so many people consider it acceptable to drink until they're smashed.

[Edbear]

Hard to say for sure that retrospectively reducing the number of outlets would make a significant difference, it may make some, but more to the point is that big companies, be they booze, gambling or smoking, will actively target and encourage sales to those who are more vulnerable, or more likely to buy their products.

So stopping them proliferating in the first place is the only way to "control" or hinder the sales. Once they have their outlets in place, they increase their sales and get more people in the habit.

As usual, the ambulance is placed at the bottom of the cliff...

[Magua]

One other store I went to deep in Otara the customer couldn't even walk around. The guy sat behind steel bars and got the booze for the customer because of so many incidents..

I surveyed a similar store in Mangere a few weeks ago. Big steel bars you have to walk through to get into the store.

Seven stores in Pakuranga this month.

[Flatcap]

Hard to say for sure that retrospectively reducing the number of outlets would make a significant difference, it may make some, but more to the point is that big companies, be they booze, gambling or smoking, will actively target and encourage sales to those who are more vulnerable, or more likely to buy their products.

So stopping them proliferating in the first place is the only way to "control" or hinder the sales. Once they have their outlets in place, they increase their sales and get more people in the habit.

As usual, the ambulance is placed at the bottom of the cliff...

Utter bollocks

This is the usual "big business is bad" argument.

Give me an example of a big business targeting "the vulnerable" with alcohol.

The way to hinder sales would be to force the supermarkets to have a minimum price and not loss lead

[Edbear]

Utter bollocks

This is the usual "big business is bad" argument.

Give me an example of a big business targeting "the vulnerable" with alcohol.

The way to hinder sales would be to force the supermarkets to have a minimum price and not loss lead

Anyone able to confirm the distribution of outlets per area?

[Ixion]

Neither controlling access (unless you implement Middle-east control levels), nor increasing the price will work.

Both may deter the social drinker. But that is not the person that has a problem with alcohol.

Like so many ideas you would only target the person who does not need targeting. You would make it hard for Surburban Sid to get his 6 pack, or Enid to get the wine for dinner. If you put the price up , they sadly forgo their little treat (Like that raving imbecile Anderton whose way of stopping binge youff drinkers was to put up the tax on old age pensioners' sherry!). Put the price up enough and out comes the bathtub

The vast majority of people who drink alcohol do not cause social havoc as a result.

A small percentage have a problem with booze. They are alcoholics, and alcoholism is not something that can be controlled by any sort of restriction. The alcoholic MUST have a drink and will do whatever it takes to get one. The only way to reduce the social problems caused by alcoholism is a better social understanding of the problem and more assistace for those afflicted by it.

[Scorpygirl]

I surveyed a similar store in Mangere a few weeks ago. Big steel bars you have to walk through to get into the store.

Seven stores in Pakuranga this month.

Actually it's nice to have a liquor store up the road and for the supermarket to be allowed to sell alcohol after years of being completly DRY in Mt Eden. I know it's prison territory!!! :lol: .....waiting for the jokes......:girlfight:

[FJRider]

For sure mate but does having less outlets mean they will change?

More outlets means more competition. Competion means prices CAN vary. SOME people travel quite a distance to save money.(a few cents/dollars) LOGIC often dosn't enter into the equation.

[imdying]

Give people something postive to focus on instead of abusing alcohol and the amount of places that are selling booze will naturally decline. They're providing a service, and in a capitalist world, they're entitled to and that's fair enough.

Pretty hard to drag yourself out of a deep slump though, I don't blame certain factions of society for hitting the booze pretty hard... some days you just want to escape... wouldn't be hard for some days to become most and then all days.

Sure, booze is a tool of the devil, but much of society is that devil. It's not what but how etc etc.

[FJRider]

In Alex' at the moment, we have two HOTELS, two "taverns", and ONE liquor outlet. Auckland should follow our example. It works for US.

[Flatcap]

In Alex' at the moment, we have two HOTELS, two "taverns", and ONE liquor outlet. Auckland should follow our example. It works for US.



So what's that then? One per family?

[rat biker 08]

When i started drinking we did the same thing with my mates binge :beer:and that was over 35 years ago. Its not the drinking its we dont watch our kids the way our perents used to. we have two super makerts and two bottle stores i have seen collarge kid in there.:(

[FJRider]

So what's that then? One per family?

Its NOT a perfect world....YET!!!

[Motu]

Mt Roskill was dry since Keith crawled out of his Hay stack,and I never had any graffiti at my workshop,well once in 8 years.A couple of years after delicensing and a profusion of Indian liquour stores in the area - and every monday morning my doors were covered in graffiti.It maybe totally unrelated,but there were certainly less undesirables wandering the area in the dry years.