Ok so after 9 years what have they done?

[98tls]

Ok not wanting this to end in pointless drivel (though am sure it will at some stage) just looking for those that are politically minded people to post up what you think they have done well and also what you think have been bad decisions.

[jimbo600]

Raped the RNZAF
Banned smacking
Got students even more in debt by canceling interest so they borrow more
Less folk on dole-but really they've migrated to sickness benefit
Rooted the economy
Rooted the parole system
Bled ordinary tax payers dry
Committed fraud (signed painting)
Ruined careers (speeding motorcade)
Devalued the police (emphasis on traffic while letting P establish itself)
Buddied up with China (bye bye NZ industry)

Man I can't wait to see the back of them

[Flatcap]

They have done a very good job of annoying me

[FJRider]

VOTE...but NOT with your feet !!!!!!

[Pussy]

Raped the RNZAF
Banned smacking
Got students even more in debt by canceling interest so they borrow more
Less folk on dole-but really they've migrated to sickness benefit
Rooted the economy
Rooted the parole system
Bled ordinary tax payers dry
Committed fraud (signed painting)
Ruined careers (speeding motorcade)
Devalued the police (emphasis on traffic while letting P establish itself)
Buddied up with China (bye bye NZ industry)

Man I can't wait to see the back of them

What he said!! Couldn't have put it any better myself, mate :yes:

[rat biker 08]

For me FUCK ALL mabe $20 by 2011 in my pay:no:

[Flatcap]

What he said!! Couldn't have put it any better myself, mate :yes:


I could have done without the "raped" and "rooted"

It brings unpleasant images of Helen to mind....

[Pussy]

I could have done without the "raped" and "rooted"

It brings unpleasant images of Helen to mind....

DON'T GO THERE!! I'm at an impressionable age! :shutup:

[Coyote]

Anti smacking bill!

<img src="http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/a/ae/Lolcano.gif" alt="luulh!" />

[98tls]

I could have done without the "raped" and "rooted"

It brings unpleasant images of Helen to mind.... Imagine what the partners seen.:eek5:

[Dave Lobster]

Imagine what the partners seen.:eek5:

The inside of a dental surgery?

[imdying]

Raped the RNZAF
Banned smacking
Got students even more in debt by canceling interest so they borrow more
Less folk on dole-but really they've migrated to sickness benefit
Rooted the economy
Rooted the parole system
Bled ordinary tax payers dry
Committed fraud (signed painting)
Ruined careers (speeding motorcade)
Devalued the police (emphasis on traffic while letting P establish itself)
Buddied up with China (bye bye NZ industry)

Man I can't wait to see the back of them
Might as well close the thread, surely they can't have stuffed up more than that :laugh:

[MIXONE]

Imagine what the partners seen.:eek5:

Eff all cause he's gay as well.

[98tls]

Eff all cause he's gay as well. Yea but if shes that ugly on TV with all the war paint on imagine what it looks like at 7am on a sunday morning.

[mashman]

Killed the kiwi way of life soul for the potential of econmic growth, which is unforgivable

[mashman]

Yea but if shes that ugly on TV with all the war paint on imagine what it looks like at 7am on a sunday morning.

and she thought she should make the country as pretty as she at 7 on a sunday morning

[rat biker 08]

what have they done for me
well brought me and rat together after many years..:hug:
Put my kids in care of Nazis i mean Cyfs screwed them up then sent them home .
I cant smak them but once they are 16 yhey could be working girls..:lol:
destroying famlies and making us pay more tax
but that said are the others any better I dont think so
we are an ordinary family that cannot get a state house because they have either been sold. or are rented to recent arrivals or they are in neighbourhoods where gangs rule
The New Zealand Family is a endangered species :Oi:

[Flatcap]

Yea but if shes that ugly on TV with all the war paint on imagine what it looks like at 7am on a sunday morning.

Something like this, I would think:

[MIXONE]

Yea but if shes that ugly on TV with all the war paint on imagine what it looks like at 7am on a sunday morning.
Fuck I haven't eaten tea yet.:sick:

and she thought she should make the country as pretty as she at 7 on a sunday morning

She has that's why so many people are leaving!

[Hitcher]

I don't know why the moaning. After all, you all voted for them at three general elections.

[MIXONE]

I don't know why the moaning. After all, you all voted for them at three general elections.

WRONG 3 times!!!!!!!

[Grub]

I don't know why the moaning. After all, you all voted for them at three general elections.

Now that's just not true! I've asked everyone and not one of them voted Labour at the last election ... not one I say.

[Flatcap]

I don't know why the moaning. After all, you all voted for them at three general elections.

Voting gives one the right to moan

[FLYMO]

yeah time for her to bugger off

[Pussy]

I don't know why the moaning. After all, you all voted for them at three general elections.

Hitcher, come here and let me explain...(Pussy pokes finger in Hitcher's eye)... don't you EVER do that again!! :bash:

[98tls]

Politics have never been my thing and am really sitting on the fence as i dont see any of the other options any better/worse than what we have.Is there anything good they have done?anything?all jokes aside.

[Pussy]

Politics have never been my thing and am really sitting on the fence as i dont see any of the other options any better/worse than what we have.Is there anything good they have done?anything?all jokes aside.

Umm... No!

[kerfufflez]

Got students even more in debt by canceling interest so they borrow more



This one is a bit spurious. Students who borrow money are theoretically adults, and *should* take responsibility for how much they borrow.
I think it's a good think that the interest got wiped. I only wish it had been in effect when I was a student.

[Conquiztador]

Introduced KiwiSaver where you deposit 1/3, the government deposits 1/3 and soon the employer deposits 1/3. Add the interest and at 65 you have something to buy a bike or two with.

Free medical care for under 6 yo's

Introduced "Working For Families" where if you work a minimum of 20 hours the IRD will provide additional income for you.

Interest free student loans for those who stay in NZ.

Additional funds in to schooling and healthcare

20 hours free weekly childcare for 3+4 yo's

Reduced unemployment

Cullens retirement fund that has a few billions by now in it and is growing

Purchased back NZ Rail

Cut NZ overseas debt

Backed the NZ Americas Cup

Backed the Taupo track


There a few. Not all straight forward and some controversial. But the jury is still out if it was good or not?

[Strang0r]

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/6042/votets8.jpg

[Hitcher]

There is no such thing as "free". The issue is who pays for all of this stuff, and the answer to that is that taxpayers are being excessively gouged so that these wonderful things can happen. It would be all good if New Zealand was a dynamic and thriving first world nation, rather than a remote series of islands hovering close to the banana republic tipping point.

[Flatcap]

There a few. Not all straight forward and some controversial. But the jury is still out if it was good or not?

Good if you are on a benefit, bad if you actually pay tax

[Swoop]

Raped the RNZAF
Banned smacking
Got students even more in debt by canceling interest so they borrow more
Less folk on dole-but really they've migrated to sickness benefit
Rooted the economy
Rooted the parole system
Bled ordinary tax payers dry
Committed fraud (signed painting)
Ruined careers (speeding motorcade)
Devalued the police (emphasis on traffic while letting P establish itself)
Buddied up with China (bye bye NZ industry)

Man I can't wait to see the back of them


Might as well close the thread, surely they can't have stuffed up more than that :laugh:
Do not forget the tax on dogs... Oops! "Keeping people safe by micro-chipping all dogs to stop them biting people". (That one has worked, there are no more vicious dog attacks anywhere). Why can I now smell Tui beer?
Legalisation of prostitution. Knocking shops are now in your neighbourhood.
Lowering the drinking age.
Taxing fortified wines to stop the alcopop binge drinking problem.
The "gagging the opposition parties Bill", sorry... electoral finance act.
I'm sure there are few more...

[merv]

Go the trains!

Labour has been very pro-rail and I like that in a government :yes:.

[Conquiztador]

Good if you are on a benefit, bad if you actually pay tax

Yep, you can take the individual look here. But there is a bigger picture. And no, I am not sure that all the current govmnt has done is OK. I did not vote for them. Things could always be better. But worse too. The NZ taxrate is actually not bad when compared to some of the European countries of similar size. The ones over 50% are Sweden, Slovenia, Norway, Netherlands, Belgium and Austria. Their GST (or VAT) tax are around 20% with Sweden at top with 25%.

And the reality is that apart from places like Dubai and Monaco that does not need tax money to do stuff, all other countries do. Today we are also more civilised (???) and care about our population who can not cater for them selves. We are proud of that nobody has to die as a result of no housing, healtcare or food. Sadly this is not the case in many of todays countries.

Do you realise, that if you have a few coins in a jar or in your pocket, you are actually one of the top 5% financially in the world... But we always want more. One TV is not enough. And we really need that 42inch plasmascreen. And we should not have to be without a roast every w/e. It is our right!!

[FJRider]

Now that's just not true! I've asked everyone and not one of them voted Labour at the last election ... not one I say.

SOMEBODY must have

[scumdog]

Lowering the drinking age.
I'm sure there are few more...

Just that one act put them on the dungheap as far as I'm concerned.

[oldrider]

Go the trains!

Labour has been very pro-rail and I like that in a government :yes:.

Usually enjoy your posts merv but this one.......!!!!

NZGR/Toll or the parts the government bought back:

Too narrow, too old, too run down and too inefficient, it's just a lemon, if it was a bike, would "you" have bought it?

I come from a railway family, it's in my blood but this one is an under performing liability, just an expensive toy train set. :argh: Bad move! (IMHO) :yes: John.

[98tls]

Usually enjoy your posts merv but this one.......!!!!

NZGR/Toll or the parts the government bought back:

Too narrow, too old, too run down and too inefficient, it's just a lemon, if it was a bike, would "you" have bought it?

I come from a railway family, it's in my blood but this one is an under performing liability, just an expensive toy train set. :argh: Bad move! (IMHO) :yes: John. Was hoping you would show up John,do you think that the recent surge in gas prices will make it more viable?

[The Pastor]

dont forget civil unions.

[mashman]

Usually enjoy your posts merv but this one.......!!!!

NZGR/Toll or the parts the government bought back:

Too narrow, too old, too run down and too inefficient, it's just a lemon, if it was a bike, would "you" have bought it?

I come from a railway family, it's in my blood but this one is an under performing liability, just an expensive toy train set. :argh: Bad move! (IMHO) :yes: John.

Absolutely... I still can't understand why they bought it back, it's a revenue loser... The only reason i can think of is that it'll cost whoever gets into power nest so much money to run they'll have nothing left and people will vote Labour back in next time... but that's just a thought.

One thing I wish Nz would capitalise on is the local pride... Why we haven't all flocked to support Kiwibank yet i don't know. We bank with too many foreign banks and the money we make earns interest in other countries... Perhaps Kiwifarm, Kiwifuel etc... would be the way forwards... We produce locally, tax locally and watch profit end up elsewhere and then wonder why we can't sustain ourselves???

[mashman]

Was hoping you would show up John,do you think that the recent surge in gas prices will make it more viable?

for the single person perhaps depending on where you live. If I took myself into the city it would cost me 12 bucks a day on the train, 60 a week. I can ride a litre spots bike into the city, door to door for 40 bucks. If i want to take my wife and kids into the city same journey for a weekit'll cost me about 50 bucks in fuel. If i take the wife and 3 kids into the city it's 36 bucks a day or 180 bucks a week.

So not, it's not even close to being viable for families

[98tls]

for the single person perhaps depending on where you live. If I took myself into the city it would cost me 12 bucks a day on the train, 60 a week. I can ride a litre spots bike into the city, door to door for 40 bucks. If i want to take my wife and kids into the city same journey for a weekit'll cost me about 50 bucks in fuel. If i take the wife and 3 kids into the city it's 36 bucks a day or 180 bucks a week.

So not, it's not even close to being viable for families Was thinking more along the lines of freight as in rail v trucks.Point taken though.

[geoffm]

Yep, you can take the individual look here. But there is a bigger picture. And no, I am not sure that all the current govmnt has done is OK. I did not vote for them. Things could always be better. But worse too. The NZ taxrate is actually not bad when compared to some of the European countries of similar size. The ones over 50% are Sweden, Slovenia, Norway, Netherlands, Belgium and Austria. Their GST (or VAT) tax are around 20% with Sweden at top with 25%.

!

A few things - the effective tax rate in NZ is over 50% - income tax is only a small part of the picture. Don't forget company tax (paid for by consumers) excise duty, GST, rates, ACC, etc. It comes over 50% for many people. Further more, due to the low wage rates in NZ, the half that is left buys F -all.
The so called tax cut - if it arrives (the last one didn't) doesn't even make up for 9 years of inflation, and won't even pay for the extra GST take on fuel due to rising prices. Rob Muldoon loved fiscal drag, and Cullen is the master now.
I didn't vote for Labour, but I also don't believe the Nats will be any better. There is a large voting bloc that relies on the taxpayer for a living. The beneficiaries and Dole-for-families recipients are an obvious example, but there are also a huge number of public servants, whose numbers need to be thinned in the traditional Roman style. Neither party can afford to take away the income of these parasites.
Around 10-ish years ago, it was reported that 40% of the Wellington workforce worked for the government. It didn't state how many of the remainder relied on the government contracts for their income, and hence were employed by the government in all but name. With the rise in numbers in the civil service (around 20-25% IIRC) I would not be surprise if the % of the Wellington workforce relying on Helen (and voting accordingly) was over 50%. There is a shortage of office sapce in Wellington, largely due to Helen's overpriced dole scheme.

[FJRider]

dont forget civil unions.

Civil unions...made by Goverment......made to last ????.....:beer:

[mashman]

Was thinking more along the lines of freight as in rail v trucks.Point taken though.

Fair point. There's a much bigger issue in there though. Does NZ have the freight traffic to make it viable. I'm guessing the infrastructure really isn't there, as someone pointed out, "Too narrow, too old, too run down and too inefficient" to make it work. All of that comes back to the short term save a few bucks policy of the government... utterly rediculous not to put any focus on infrastructure as it must be one of the single biggest problems faced by developing companies... we need more forward thinkers, oh and lots of money... which is where I think that the economic policy of any government coming into power should make one of its primary focusses on keeping the money that's earned in NZ actually in NZ so that the taxes are there to fund projects like infrastructure... building things that would be of use to the people with the money that's been earned by the people blah blah blah... but noone seems to be able to look past foreign investment... Kiwibank was a great leap forwards and that should be used as a building block.

Fuck it, vote me in, i'll run the country for 50 bucks a year :Punk:

[MSTRS]

If anyone is in any doubt of the direction that NZ is fast heading (under Labour...the Nats being an unknown at this stage) just take a look at Zimbabwe.

[merv]

Yeah back to trains, sorry John, freight rail and the inter-city tracks should have continued to be developed along with the roads to keep them modern, but there was no significant investment since 1988 but how much did Transit spend on roads in that time? Probably about 30 bil.

All us bikers should love what's going on in Auckland and Wellington because every journey by a rail commuter is one less on the road. Auckland has grown from 1 mil trips per annum to around 7 mil per annum - that's a lot of people you don't have to lane split - and they haven't even scratched the surface finishing the projects yet.

No other Government has made this sort of investment since they built the Hutt line in the 50's.

As for the rest of Labour's policies - sheesh I don't know, and what will Key do for me anyway.

[MSTRS]

Successive governments become nothing more than slum landlords after the lines were bought back for $1. For how long have the public been calling for better rail services? Yet all this money was spent on roads, merely postponing the inevitable meltdown of the roading network, esp in Auckland.
Britomart, I hear you say? Build it and the people will come? Right....commuter rail isn't about buildings.

[firefighter]

Yep, you can take the individual look here. But there is a bigger picture. And no, I am not sure that all the current govmnt has done is OK. I did not vote for them. Things could always be better. But worse too. The NZ taxrate is actually not bad when compared to some of the European countries of similar size. The ones over 50% are Sweden, Slovenia, Norway, Netherlands, Belgium and Austria. Their GST (or VAT) tax are around 20% with Sweden at top with 25%.

And the reality is that apart from places like Dubai and Monaco that does not need tax money to do stuff, all other countries do. Today we are also more civilised (???) and care about our population who can not cater for them selves. We are proud of that nobody has to die as a result of no housing, healtcare or food. Sadly this is not the case in many of todays countries.

Do you realise, that if you have a few coins in a jar or in your pocket, you are actually one of the top 5% financially in the world... But we always want more. One TV is not enough. And we really need that 42inch plasmascreen. And we should not have to be without a roast every w/e. It is our right!!

yes but that large amount of tax goes into free medical-university etc etc etc for everyone-so lets not be foolish and pretend we are better off.....

[MSTRS]

yes but that large amount of tax goes into free medical-university etc etc etc for everyone-so lets not be foolish and pretend we are better off.....

And Finns at least do not pay for electricity/heating. Not directly like we do.

[mashman]

commuter rail isn't about buildings.

Perhaps now is the time to start thinking that way. You take a look at almost any future movie and you'll notice that there's a "train station" in every building... want to get people out of their cars... Ambitious as hell, but essentialy doable. Ever been to Calgary? They have several of their buildings connected by walkways... People ride the trams into the city, there are under cover stations built right next to these building... I hardly saw any congestion... someone gave it some thought a while ago and it worked, perhaps now is the time to sit and think about it ooooo flying pig... that's the price of bacon going up again!!!

[Swoop]

I wonder if the looney labourite sect has been stealing ideas off of the poms (http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/nimmanual/NIM39140.htm)?


Seriously. WTF?

[oldrider]

As for the rest of Labour's policies - sheesh I don't know, and what will Key do for me anyway.

Merv, I suspect Key will just mean more of the same, just spelt differently!

IMHO you are offered the RED Labour party or the BLUE Labour party.

Labour and National are like AJS and Matchless bikes, buy one you get the other with a few cosmetic differences and they call that competition.

Like my signature says, the media will decide and the majority (Read mob) will fulfill their wish. :brick: John.

[Deano]

What grinds my gears is that the gubbmint keeps telling us we need to reduce our carbon footprint - then they go and buy a fleet of 7 series BMW's (Not sure what sized engine - at least a 6)

Now shouldn't they be leading by example and purchase electric cars ?

Especially the Greens ?

[RantyDave]

Banned smacking
Oh FFS not this again. Removing the defence of "reasonable force" for violence against children is not the same as the state telling you how to raise your kids. It's exactly the same level of legal protection as adults have, and no more. Can I slap employees about in the workplace and pretend to be a good employer? They need to learn after all. And if I hear the phrase "Good Christian Parenting"(tm) applied one more time I'll resurrect Christ myself so he can come have a word with them.

Got students even more in debt by canceling interest so they borrow more
Oh gawd. Look, students with half a brain will not just blindly borrow more. The smart ones will move any debts they do have over to the student loan scheme before they even start. Students without half a brain shouldn't be fucking studying.

Less folk on dole-but really they've migrated to sickness benefit
Rooted the economy
Rooted the parole system
Bled ordinary tax payers dry
All true.

Man I can't wait to see the back of them
Likewise. "Middle" New Zealand is struggling horribly while "slack as fuck" New Zealand sits on the porch drinking Tui. The government has done nothing about it. OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!

Dave

[devnull]

Oh FFS not this again. Removing the defence of "reasonable force" for violence against children is not the same as the state telling you how to raise your kids. It's exactly the same level of legal protection as adults have, and no more. Can I slap employees about in the workplace and pretend to be a good employer? They need to learn after all. And if I hear the phrase "Good Christian Parenting"(tm) applied one more time I'll resurrect Christ myself so he can come have a word with them.


Go right ahead with your resurrection

I'm sick to death of lesbian treehuggers telling me how to raise my kids.
Bradford got caught out telling outright lies, 86% of parents (who are also voters), said this is bullshit and if you can't tell the difference between smacking and abuse you shouldn't have kids, yet they rammed it down our throats anyway.

Hell, it's not like there was even any research supporting their "nanny knows best" point of view.

Go read "The Alexander Case - a confiscated child" then come back and tell me that nanny knows best

[fireball]

they gave me a block of cheese....... bullshit taxcut... mutter mutter...... :2guns:

[NinjaNanna]

Usually enjoy your posts merv but this one.......!!!!

NZGR/Toll or the parts the government bought back:

Too narrow, too old, too run down and too inefficient, it's just a lemon, if it was a bike, would "you" have bought it?

I come from a railway family, it's in my blood but this one is an under performing liability, just an expensive toy train set. :argh: Bad move! (IMHO) :yes: John.


MAybe so but still cheaper than building one from scratch again and then still having a cheap competitor to contend with

[oldrider]

MAybe so but still cheaper than building one from scratch again and then still having a cheap competitor to contend with

Good point but you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear and the gauge (tracks) will still be too narrow even if they do succeed.

It's like buying a Postie bike, doing it up and expecting it to do the job that really needs a Goldwing.

They (The government) will just legislate against the cheap competitor and falsely even up the playing field at the customer and or taxpayers expense.

Notice that Toll didn't sell them back the road services, that was making money. :shifty: Cheers John. (just my opinion)

[Zookey]

For all its worth; my Neighbor is a toll man,and with all the carping that goes on here in the Bay over the Napier Gizzy line not being used he told me they shift 100,000 tonnes a week now let me see them carry that with :2thumbsupTrucks on one of the best Motorcycling roads in the country.:beer:

[RantyDave]

if you can't tell the difference between smacking and abuse you shouldn't have kids
Absolutely. But you can't go round giving violent dipshits the snip, unfortunately.

Dave

[Dave Lobster]

Absolutely. But you can't go round giving violent dipshits the snip, unfortunately.

Dave

Not yet, anyway.

[merv]

For all its worth; my Neighbor is a toll man,and with all the carping that goes on here in the Bay over the Napier Gizzy line not being used he told me they shift 100,000 tonnes a week now let me see them carry that with :2thumbsupTrucks on one of the best Motorcycling roads in the country.:beer:

Eggsackery lets get the trucks off the roads that have a parallel railway line and we'd all be happier.:done: Go the Government that does this :laugh:

[Swoop]

they gave me a block of cheese.......
You are lucky. I'm still waiting for my cheese, and the mouse is hungry.

[Conquiztador]

A few things - the effective tax rate in NZ is over 50% - income tax is only a small part of the picture. Don't forget company tax (paid for by consumers) excise duty, GST, rates, ACC, etc. It comes over 50% for many people. Further more, due to the low wage rates in NZ, the half that is left buys F -all.
The so called tax cut - if it arrives (the last one didn't) doesn't even make up for 9 years of inflation, and won't even pay for the extra GST take on fuel due to rising prices. Rob Muldoon loved fiscal drag, and Cullen is the master now.


Yep. You are right. But that is not different from other countries. When there is not a huge population you find that countries will have a higher tax rate to be able to run the country to a western standard. Lets just hope that whoever gets in will not scrap what is there and try to start from scratch, but instead finetune what we have.

Our ACC is something that many countries wish they had.
Prices on motor vehicles is very low here compared to western countries.
We have the cheapest booze in the western world (all other places tax it to death, perhaps we should too??)
Public health system is not a given in many countries: No private insurance and you have no way in.
Free dental service for school kids up to 18 yo's.

You have to remember that we are very far away from everywhere. Anything we export/import has an added cost that many other countries do not have to worry about.

[Conquiztador]

yes but that large amount of tax goes into free medical-university etc etc etc for everyone-so lets not be foolish and pretend we are better off.....

Well, we are probably not the country in thw world that has it all right. But in most cases we are not far of the mark. Yep, we all want less tax, higher wages, more police, free healtcare, more pension, better roads etc. But with just over 4 million people it gets tricky to do all that without taxing.

Take Norway. In the 70's and 80's they were really stuggling. And then they found oil. Now they have money to burn.

[FJRider]

You are lucky. I'm still waiting for my cheese, and the mouse is hungry.

Its the SECOND mouse that always gets the cheese...

[Flatcap]

We have the cheapest booze in the western world (all other places tax it to death, perhaps we should too??)
.


Why? What's wrong with booze? It unclogs my arteries and makes me feel nice.

[MIXONE]

Why? What's wrong with booze? It unclogs my arteries and makes me feel nice.

I'll drink to that.:drinkup:

[Storm]

Take Norway. In the 70's and 80's they were really stuggling. And then they found oil. Now they have money to burn.

So considering we've found shi^loads under the sea in Taranaki, why are we not loaded?

[smokeyging]

So considering we've found shi^loads under the sea in Taranaki, why are we not loaded?

Not to mention the south basin and off the coast of dunedin too plus a lot of others that were found by 'Hunt' back in the 70s

[Conquiztador]

So considering we've found shi^loads under the sea in Taranaki, why are we not loaded?

Not sure if there is "shitloads". I don't have all the facts and can't be bothered googling. But there is different qualities of it, also, if I remember right, our oil is deep down and we dont have heaps of platforms pumping it out. And correct me here if I am wrong, but I seem to remember that we are not doing that our selves, but contracting it out??? In any case I think the Norwegian oil was much easier to get to and they are pumping heaps more out from there??

But you do have a point: If we have oil and gas at our shores, surely it should increase our wealth and provide us with NZ petrol for a better price...

[jimbo600]

Oh FFS not this again. Removing the defence of "reasonable force" for violence against children is not the same as the state telling you how to raise your kids. It's exactly the same level of legal protection as adults have, and no more. Can I slap employees about in the workplace and pretend to be a good employer? They need to learn after all. And if I hear the phrase "Good Christian Parenting"(tm) applied one more time I'll resurrect Christ myself so he can come have a word with them.

Yep Chris Kahui murders his kids and walks. Eddy Punch clock flicks his kids ear in chch to prevent him from walking across a main road gets charged and done. Nice on Bradford

[jimbo600]

Actually, after a bit of digging I have found that this thread is in fact illegal under the terms of the EFA.

Curse us for speaking out against the incumbent govt. I think they're awesome. Honestly Helen I do really.

[merv]

Actually, after a bit of digging I have found that this thread is in fact illegal under the terms of the EFA.


Do we have to hurry up and get KB registered or something?

As for Governments ever heard praises for one? Usually its about voting out the last lot, so new crew comes in, its all sweet and roses for a couple of days and lo and behold we don't like these ones either, so depending on how much they piss us off dictates how many terms we let them have.

Its never a positive experience because they don't pay us instead of taking taxes and that don't let us do what we like on the roads while making sure the other dumb bastards don't etc etc.

[Flatcap]

Actually, after a bit of digging I have found that this thread is in fact illegal under the terms of the EFA.
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Thats alright - It will only put Spank Me in jail, which is where I think he should be after looking at his WTF thread

[hayd3n]

whoever will stop putting up those damm wireropes he/she/it gets my vote

[Robert Taylor]

There is no such thing as "free". The issue is who pays for all of this stuff, and the answer to that is that taxpayers are being excessively gouged so that these wonderful things can happen. It would be all good if New Zealand was a dynamic and thriving first world nation, rather than a remote series of islands hovering close to the banana republic tipping point.

Youve got that right in one. Frankensteins sister made an appearance at New Plymouth Boys High School yesterday so she could spread her poison further. Apparently she was asked a question about access to NZ for nuclear powered vessels to which she allegedly included in her reply ''over my dead body''
Might I suggest that would be a price worth paying....

[Robert Taylor]

Yep, you can take the individual look here. But there is a bigger picture. And no, I am not sure that all the current govmnt has done is OK. I did not vote for them. Things could always be better. But worse too. The NZ taxrate is actually not bad when compared to some of the European countries of similar size. The ones over 50% are Sweden, Slovenia, Norway, Netherlands, Belgium and Austria. Their GST (or VAT) tax are around 20% with Sweden at top with 25%.

And the reality is that apart from places like Dubai and Monaco that does not need tax money to do stuff, all other countries do. Today we are also more civilised (???) and care about our population who can not cater for them selves. We are proud of that nobody has to die as a result of no housing, healtcare or food. Sadly this is not the case in many of todays countries.

Do you realise, that if you have a few coins in a jar or in your pocket, you are actually one of the top 5% financially in the world... But we always want more. One TV is not enough. And we really need that 42inch plasmascreen. And we should not have to be without a roast every w/e. It is our right!!

I think it is our right that shopkeepers and elderly people in their homes should be safe from murderous thugs / drop kicks.

[DEATH_INC.]

Now that's just not true! I've asked everyone and not one of them voted Labour at the last election ... not one I say.
Funny you say that I get the same.....did anyone vote for them?

[Robert Taylor]

Absolutely... I still can't understand why they bought it back, it's a revenue loser... The only reason i can think of is that it'll cost whoever gets into power nest so much money to run they'll have nothing left and people will vote Labour back in next time... but that's just a thought.

One thing I wish Nz would capitalise on is the local pride... Why we haven't all flocked to support Kiwibank yet i don't know. We bank with too many foreign banks and the money we make earns interest in other countries... Perhaps Kiwifarm, Kiwifuel etc... would be the way forwards... We produce locally, tax locally and watch profit end up elsewhere and then wonder why we can't sustain ourselves???

You make a lot of sense

[Robert Taylor]

I wonder if the looney labourite sect has been stealing ideas off of the poms (http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/nimmanual/NIM39140.htm)?


Seriously. WTF?

The parallells are very very close and Gordon Brown will doubtless ( and deservedly ) be comprehensively dumped. Their economy is rapidly becoming a basket case.

[mashman]

I wonder if the looney labourite sect has been stealing ideas off of the poms (http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/nimmanual/NIM39140.htm)?
Seriously. WTF?

I came ehre from the UK nearly 2 years ago and i'm starting to see laws appearing here that where in the UK 4 - 5 years ago... It's easier to follow the crowd, you can blame it on someone elses policy flaws then... and i'm stunned that the population hasn't done anything about it, because most of the laws are ill conceived and only put into place as a band aid "At least we addressed the issue in some form"... PATHETIC...

[mashman]

The parallells are very very close and Gordon Brown will doubtless ( and deservedly ) be comprehensively dumped. Their economy is rapidly becoming a basket case.

It was an insane place to live... a 1st, 2nd and 3rd world country all rolled into one, just start from the bottom and every 3rd of the country demote the level of civilisation... Bizarre, but pretty much true from what i could see... In London I would have earned about 130000 dollars, in Scotland, same job, i earned 80000 dollars.. pff go figure

[Swoop]

Funny you say that I get the same.....did anyone vote for them?
Perhaps they hired the same people who "recounted" for the R. Mugabe party?

[Sanx]

Well, I was in NZ for 7 of their years in power, and I've fucked off to Aussie. Earn more, get taxed less, and don't have to put up with a small minority of the population whinging about shit that happened well before living memory.

[nighthawk]

Hey some of us on here have seen a lot of changes over our time as both parties have come and gone....in my time I've seen the wage/price freeze of the early seventies acompanied by the a govt run petrol shortage and carless days....even higher tax rates than today (try paying 60cent in the dollar only because you work permanent shifts) then the mass redundcies and the Farce of SOE's..... I could go on Im happy working up to 60 hours a week but only being paid for 40(yup work for the bloody govement again) :shit:

Life has taught me " its hard to find the perfect government mate":eek:

[trustme]

Two politicians of the last 40 years. stand head shoulders above the rest.
Rob Muldoon & Helengrad , both were/are the consumate politician , unfortunately both were/are the most destructive politicians of our time
Rob with think big & an everexpanding protectionist government sent this country broke
We flogged the family silver to get out of the mire , I didn't like it but it had to be done & would still say that the way the asset sales were handled in an apalling fashion ,incompetence springs to mind
We went through some bloody hard years [ who remembers 22% interest mortgages ] Finally because of some pretty unpalatable medicine things came good
Helen learned nothing , she has set about rebuilding the public sector. 43 % of GDP is now govt spending. The public service has grown dramatically & yet treasury reports note that there has been no improvement in service
Helen has not grown the business of NZ inc , she has grown its overheads, & thus reduced our productivity & competitivness compared to other nations
[ we are lower on the OECD than when she took over ]

We did the hard yards in the expectation of a pay off, when the pay off came joe average saw none of it. This lot have squandered the pay off on grandiose empire building like rail & I for one feel betrayed

[Swoop]

The Breakfast programme was interesting this morning.
Heilen Klerke stated "we are happy with the NZ armed forces" and then stated that they are using old, decrepit equipment (and basically have been neutered).

Thanks labour.

[Swoop]

Today's Harold "Sideswipe" gives evidence of the lack of importance to the air farce...

This Australian Air Force C-17 transport plane parked at Whenuapai Air Base has apparently had some unwelcome attention. "It was parked overnight and it appears to have been tagged by some of the local youth," writes Andrew.

"Says a lot for our Air Force security."