Can you get off a speeding ticket for incorrect information?

[timetoride]

The other day while I was behaving myself:innocent: I got pulled over for doing 114 kph after passing a car. I was in my car not on my bike, I explained to the :Police: that I had just completed passing a car but he said I was back in the left hand lane so should be doing 100kph even if I had just passed (I do alot of travelling so I do behave myself in the car) and he didin't care for excusues. To cut along story short we had a bit of a set too about it with the final result being me still getting a ticket. However when I checked the ticket when I got home the registration number for my car had 3 incorrect digits/numbers. Can I make a submission for this or do I just have to wear it? Can those in the know spread any light on the subject?

[Luckylegs]

It may not be entirely helpful, but its not whether you can get off so much as whether you Should. I agree entirely with your argument about having just overtaken etc etc but.... You broke the law you should get a ticket. If you could petition that you shouldnt get the ticket because of circumstances (IE just completed an overtake) then all good but not for a technicality.

....Dont panic Im sure my opinion will be lost in a sea of anti police, stick it to em, very soon.

FWIW... I hope you actually do get off :msn-wink: (Its a wank situation that I got done for a few years back)

[scumdog]

Four things:

You may have been deliberately given an 'out' with a mistake (unlikley)
You MAY be able to argue the case and get off (don't count on it)
You COULD have another ticket arrive in the mail with the correct numbers (not so likely, the cop wouldn't know he'd got the number wrong)
You may have to pay up:doh:

Not the sort of ticket I see as 'fair' if what you said is true - however it is a valid offence unfortunately.

[TLMAN]

No.

The cop will just re issue another one to you with the correct details on it and will post it out with a "thank you for bringing it to my attention" letter.

[Rockbuddy]

dont unpaid tickets become the responsibility of the car owner? dont pay it then the owner of the car with rego on it will get a bill and they will say wasnt me dont even live in that part of the country, or is that only for speed cameras :innocent:
or you could just pay it, after all you did break the law

[James Deuce]

No. Haven't seen that one fly ever. It took two years and a visit to the High Court for my wife to "get off" a parking ticket issued to her in Tory, Welligton St in December 1988, when she was working at Auckland Hospital at the precise time the ticket was issued to a completely different make and model of car than the one she owned.

The ticket was issued by an MoT snake, so his word was gospel, irrespective of a mountain of proof to determine that my wife wasn't in Wellington at the time of the offense and never ever owned a car of the make and model it was issued to. He simply transcribed the license plate incorrectly.

The judge went ballistic and fined WCC and the TO for continuing to push the case well past what was reasonable.

You'd be better off being properly contrite for whatever you did.

If anything you;re even less likely to get off on a ticket technicality than back then.

[Patrick]

You were still "speeding."

Write in and explain that you had just passed a slower one, and at the same time point out the error on the ticket... normally the explanation alone would not be enough, but the two combined might be enough to have it waived... or not..... 80 good reasons to ask though.... or 100 if ya add the demerits...

[avgas]

if he has the rest of your details....your fucked.
not only that but when the ticket is checked and found you had a plate on that didn't match the vehicle your gonna get spit roasted.

[scumdog]

and found you had a plate on that didn't match the vehicle your gonna get spit roasted.


They are going to do this how? - by running a check on the plate which will show the car belongs to....????:girlfight:

[barty5]

My father got of a ticket few years back on the grounds the the officer changed the amount of demerit points he was to be given and as stated on the ticket argued the the officer had no right to alter a legal document judge agreed and threw it out. I would wait and see what becomes of it. whats the rego they put on ticket could be interesting to see what and who it belongs to if it even is a real plate number.

[CookMySock]

Write in and explain that you had just passed a slower one, and at the same time point out the error on the ticket...NO DONT.

Don't do anything. Wait for the 28 days to expire and they will then send you a computer printed one. THEN write in and tell them "This is not my registration plate. My legal advice is to not pay this infringement notice."

If you write in now, they will go "gee thanks man, write you the correct ticket, and you are toast."

DB (member of the KB "get off scott-free" team)

[LilSel]

I know of someone who got off a DUI for their name being spelt wrong on the infringement :no: bad huh!

[CookMySock]

They are going to do this how? - by running a check on the plate which will show the car belongs to....????:girlfight:eggggzactly. Just tell them "this is not my plate". They will look up the plate they have, and then the "ahhhh bugger" factor will start to set in, and then then "egg on face in front of the judge" alarm will go off, followed by the "why the fuck bother with a 14k over the limit" alarm, quickly followed by the big bright blue "throw it in the bin" light.

DB

[MGST]

Tried this not long ago. They spelt my mane wrong, the street I live on wrong, and the suburb I live in wrong. Also put a non-existant class of vehicle. I wrote them a very polite letter pointing out these errors, and got back a letter saying that a ticket ( Infringement notice ) is not a legal document and therefore doesn't have to be correct. I was really tempted to write back and say if its not a legal document they can't enforce it in a court of law so get fucked. As it was I just paid it cos it was only 80 notes ( 61 in a 50 zone - fuckers ).

So basically I think you'll be screwed too. Good luck though. Write a letter anyway coz that gives you another 28 days or something, or 28 days from when they reply or something.

[scumdog]

eggggzactly. Just tell them "this is not my plate". They will look up the plate they have, and then the "ahhhh bugger" factor will start to set in, and then then "egg on face in front of the judge" alarm will go off, followed by the "why the fuck bother with a 14k over the limit" alarm, quickly followed by the big bright blue "throw it in the bin" light.

DB

And if they bother to check the guys name, any vehicle he has and see one with the same colour/make/model as the one stopped and a plate with a similar number plate they will figure it out.....:shutup:

[CookMySock]

got back a letter saying that a ticket ( Infringement notice ) is not a legal document and therefore doesn't have to be correct.Correct, but the computer printed one IS and it must be correct.


And if they bother to check the guys name, any vehicle he has and see one with the same colour/make/model as the one stopped and a plate with a similar number plate they will figure it out.....:shutup:Sure, but its too late then, isn't it mr scumdog ? They cannot use arbitrary details about some guesses they found on their computer system can they mr scumdog? Nooooo they cant :p :Pokey:

DB

[scumdog]

Correct, but the computer printed one IS and it must be correct.

Sure, but its too late then, isn't it mr scumdog ? They cannot use arbitrary details about some guesses they found on their computer system can they mr scumdog? Nooooo they cant :p :Pokey:

DB


Ooh shit - me bad, I guess I was lucky with the 30-40 or whatever I've done just that with eh? eh?:whistle:

(How did you think I knew what to do?)

Of course after the 28 day thing I have no idea what happens...

[timetoride]

Cheers Peeps, It is a company car so all is legit with it but how he got the number plate wrong I dont know first 3 are right but last 3 digits are completely out there like pick numbers off the top of your head type. I think I might go too the post office and find out if a car is registerd to the plate he wrote down and send that in aswell if it is from somewhere I was not it will make it fairly obvious it is wrong. :clap:

[BASS-TREBLE]

I hope this doesn't hijack your thread but I got a ticket with the wrong house number (we are 35, they wrote 34 but there is no 34 in our street).

So what I wanted to know is should I keep my hopes up that a reminder won't come or will the computer just use my license number etc?

[marty]

somewhere in the summary proceeding act it says 'an offence shall not be nulled because of want of form' or something like that.

however, i'd wait the 28 days, then point out the error. 'i have received a reminder notice for an alleged offence on t/d/p driving vehicle registration ABC123. i have never driven a vehicle with this registration number, and accordingly seek the matter to be withdrawn' or words to that effect.

let us know how you get on.

[CookMySock]

wot marty sed

DB

[davereid]

Your explanation that you were only speeding because you had passed a vehicle is effectively a confession.

The law doesnt care WHY.

You have admitted the offence, so you will end up paying the ticket.

[timetoride]

Your explanation that you were only speeding because you had passed a vehicle is effectively a confession.

The law doesnt care WHY.

You have admitted the offence, so you will end up paying the ticket.

Yes I understand that I was over the speed limit, however in my eyes trying to pass a vehicle travelling at 85/90 kph at 100 kph and spending god knows how long on the wrong side of the road while doing so is alot more of a risk to other road users than passing at 120kph and getting the manouvre completed quickly and effectively.
If I get speeding on my bike I will put my hand up and take the :spanking:. But I travel between 800 & 1200 km a week in my car so the risk of having a speed related accident/ a ticket are quite high. For that reason I make a concerted effort to control the right foot. I get passed by more vehicles than I could count travelling at 110+ kph and I suppose I feel a bit singled out on this occasion. If I had been intentionally travelling at that speed constantly then I would pay with no issue.

[slopster]

Maybe if he read your plate wrong he read the radar gun wrong as well...? Did you admit that you were speeding?

I saw a case in the paper where someone got off on this basis however the policeman had gotten lots of stuff wrong on the ticket - Wrong road, time of day, type of vehicle etc.

[Stormer]

Don`t they realise that you will most likely exceed the bloody speed limit during a passing manoeuvre??????????
Otherwise it would take you like forever to pass...in the interests of safety... common sense... reality even...

[Gareth51]

I once got a ticket with the wrong date,knowing if I wrote in I would more than likly get sent a corrected one So I pleaded not guilty,went to Court and asked for the case to be dismissed .The Judge asked why I hadn't notified the Police of the mistake,I acted dumb,said i wasn't sure of what to do.The case was dismissed and I walk free:laugh:

[CookMySock]

If I had been intentionally travelling at that speed constantly then I would pay with no issue.goody-goody!! goody-goody!! goody-goody!! goody-goody!! goody-goody!! goody-goody!! goody-goody!! goody-goody!! goody-goody!! :laugh:



I once got a ticket with the wrong date,knowing if I wrote in I would more than likly get sent a corrected one So I pleaded not guilty,went to Court and asked for the case to be dismissed .The Judge asked why I hadn't notified the Police of the mistake,I acted dumb,said i wasn't sure of what to do.The case was dismissed and I walk free:laugh:BWAAAAAHAHAHA. Nice! :sunny:

Why do cops like egg on their face in front of the judge ? :nya::slap:

I've created a new group. - GettinOrfScottFree just for this sorta stuff.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/group.php?groupid=55

DB

[FJRider]

He'll have YOUR licence No. on the ticket ??? It was you...doesn't matter what you were driving...

[scumdog]

Why do cops like egg on their face in front of the judge ? :nya::slap:

DB

If you think 'egg on their face' for messing up a ticket is a real worry to cops them you're sadly mistaken.

I would be more worried if I forgot to bring my can-holder to a bike rally...it's waay more important....or if the tassles on my jacket didn't sit right...priorities man, priorities!

[Horse]

however in my eyes trying to pass a vehicle travelling at 85/90 kph at 100 kph and spending god knows how long on the wrong side of the road

Additionally, you can't pass about 50% of these kinds of vehicles on passing lanes because roughly that proportion of 85km/h muppets speed up to 100km/h (or more) on passing lanes. And then immediately slow down again once the opportunity to overtake as vanished.

I don't believe that this is because they're malicious. I believe it's because they're completely fucking incompetent, and don't consciously drive their cars. They instead react unconsciously to environmental clues like the width of the road and the presence of other cars ahead and behind them, and the lizard-brain controls their driving response without giving the conscious mind a look-in.

On NZ roads these people are (a) everpresent and (b) a complete fucking menace and their behaviour should be grounds for some kind of corporal punishment, let alone a valid courtroom defense for overtaking them at brisker than legal speeds.

Of course, expecting common sense about speed and overtaking to suddenly break out in some parts of the traffic policy establishment might be a tad optimistic. Don't wait up.

[crashalots]

I had this exact thing in the past. Dont pay for it!

They will get back to the cop shop, try and enter your ticket into the system, find that the rego plate written is for a Tractor in Gore and doesnt match your vehicle make or colour listed, so it will become invalid and disappear.

After that go and buy a lotto ticket cos u just a lucky break! :woohoo:

[fireball]

I had this exact thing in the past. Dont pay for it!

They will get back to the cop shop, try and enter your ticket into the system, find that the rego plate written is for a Tractor in Gore

leave my trrrractorrr out of this:whistle:

[davereid]

Yes I understand that I was over the speed limit, however in my eyes trying to pass a vehicle travelling at 85/90 kph at 100 kph and spending god knows how long on the wrong side of the road while doing so is alot more of a risk to other road users than passing at 120kph and getting the manouvre completed quickly and effectively.
If I get speeding on my bike I will put my hand up and take the :spanking:. But I travel between 800 & 1200 km a week in my car so the risk of having a speed related accident/ a ticket are quite high. For that reason I make a concerted effort to control the right foot. I get passed by more vehicles than I could count travelling at 110+ kph and I suppose I feel a bit singled out on this occasion. If I had been intentionally travelling at that speed constantly then I would pay with no issue.

You are completely correct !

The law is a complete arse in this regard.
And so is any cop who gives you a ticket in this situation.

But you have admitted the offence. The police have your explanation on record, and WILL quote you in court if it goes there.

- They don't need to know what vehicle you were in anymore.
- They don't need to show the radar gun was working.
- They don't need to show the cop knew how to use it, cos you confessed.


Interestingly, it would appear that the radar was being used with multiple vehicles in the beam. It can't really work in this mode, at least its operation in this mode is regularly rejected by the courts.

The policeman was using his experience and judgement to ping YOU as the speeding driver, even though all the radar was saying was "someone is speeding, but I don't know who"

Had you just politely said "fuck off you moron, heres my licence, now I'm off, post me the ticket" (or word to that effect !) you may have had a good chance of defending this ticket.

Having said "yeah I was speeding but the law is stupid" you have diminished you chances of a good defence.

Nonetheless, cops are pragmatic. Its a small ticket. It may not be worth prosecuting. The cop may leave the force, die of donuts, or lose the file.

Good luck !

[CookMySock]

But you have admitted the offence. The police have your explanation on record, and WILL quote you in court if it goes there. baaahahaa davereid is correct !! I missed this. You might deny you said this but I don't know it will help you.



The policeman was using his experience and judgement to ping YOU as the speeding driver, even though all the radar was saying was "someone is speeding, but I don't know who"I find it disgusting that the police stoop to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_engineering_(computer_security)">social engineering</a> to get their case. If someone has broken the law then just act as an informant like they are supposed to do, instead of using every trick up their sleeve. It's like it's something personal to them.

If they ask "any reason for the speed?" then dont answer. just look at them and blink. You do NOT have to discuss things with them. Think long and carefully before you say a word, and remember they are experts at it. You MUST give them your contact details so they can identify you. If in doubt, ask the officer "under what section of the law must you discuss that with them?", or explain that you prefer not to have this conversation with them. If they say "its their policy to do blah blah, then explain that you are happy to comply with the law but you are uninterested in their "policy."


DB

[Maki]

I don't believe that this is because they're malicious. I believe it's because they're completely fucking incompetent, and don't consciously drive their cars. They instead react unconsciously to environmental clues like the width of the road and the presence of other cars ahead and behind them, and the lizard-brain controls their driving response without giving the conscious mind a look-in.

On NZ roads these people are (a) everpresent and (b) a complete fucking menace and their behaviour should be grounds for some kind of corporal punishment, let alone a valid courtroom defense for overtaking them at brisker than legal speeds.

Of course, expecting common sense about speed and overtaking to suddenly break out in some parts of the traffic policy establishment might be a tad optimistic. Don't wait up.

Too true. There are the lizard brains, and then there are those who speed up to prevent you from overtaking. Of course the police could care less and they will not grant you any leeway for speeding if you are overtaking the f***ers.

The main reason for the road toll going up is drivers who are too busy eating, drinking, smoking, talking on cell phones, reading or whatever to pay attention to what the hell they are doing. Can you get a ticket for any of these behaviours? Of course not.

[scumdog]

Too true. There are the lizard brains, and then there are those who speed up to prevent you from overtaking. Of course the police could care less and they will not grant you any leeway for speeding if you are overtaking the f***ers.

The main reason for the road toll going up is drivers who are too busy eating, drinking, smoking, talking on cell phones, reading or whatever to pay attention to what the hell they are doing. Can you get a ticket for any of these behaviours? Of course not.


Saying 'they will not grant you any leeway' is a sweeping statement implying ALL cops are like that.

Sorta like saying 'all KBers are argumentative windmill-jousters'.:innocent:

[MSTRS]

......
The main reason for the road toll going up is drivers who are too busy eating, drinking, smoking, talking on cell phones, reading or whatever to pay attention to what the hell they are doing. Can you get a ticket for any of these behaviours? Of course not.

Of course you can. It's called "Careless use...." I will grant you that unless there is an 'incident', being ticketed is rare.

[scumdog]

Of course you can. It's called "Careless use...." I will grant you that unless there is an 'incident', being ticketed is rare.


True and true. (probably 'cos a lot of judges probably do the eating/phoning/nose-picking thing and would not see it as carless)

One of the worst I 'did' for careless was cruising through a busy shopping street holding a video camera in his right hand and filming with his eye glued to the view-finder.....:argh:

[firefighter]

Either way the cop was a C*NT and needs some kind of lessons on road safety.....sounds like a total powertrip, shit we speed a little bit when responding,(a very little) and don't get me started on some of the shit I see those cops doing behind the wheel.....i'm not fully savvy on their response rules but iv'e seen them do some crazy shit......more than you would think, personally I think our police (not thier fault) are far too fussy on the minor points of traffic infringements (like going 11km over down a hill,changing lanes too quick or 114 when passing!) if your going to be that pedantic on the road rules you need to stick to your own regulations too, not push them like I see often-then punish others for something trivial.....don't get me wrong I think they do a great job but I get really pissed over the over attention "traffic" gets.....blatant revenue collection is all I can see, in the states you have to be doing something genuinely stupid to get done,and their speed limit is quicker than ours by a lot.........just my 10c

[CookMySock]

One of the worst I 'did' for careless was cruising through a busy shopping street holding a video camera in his right hand and filming with his eye glued to the view-finder.....:argh:Thank you scummy. Thats a classic-stupid stunt.. almost more than "careless" though.

I know a young lady who lost her new husband - he flew a Cessna 172 taking pictures by himself, and rolled the aircraft right into the ground with his eye glued to the viewfinder. Wheres my cluestick.. :pinch:


DB

[_Shrek_]

He'll have YOUR licence No. on the ticket ??? It was you...doesn't matter what you were driving...

he may have got that number wrong as well :laugh:

TT I think the :Police: gave you an out just wait the 28 days then write in & say this is not the car i was driving

[spudchucka]

Ei'm not fully savvy on their response rules but iv'e seen them do some crazy shit......

Sort of like the nose picking, arse scratching volunteer firefighters I regularly see driving like lunatics to try and get the best seat on the appliance when the siren goes up? Could have made a lot of them walk to the next fire if I wanted to.

[firefighter]

Sort of like the nose picking, arse scratching volunteer firefighters I regularly see driving like lunatics to try and get the best seat on the appliance when the siren goes up? Could have made a lot of them walk to the next fire if I wanted to.

no worries you do that and see what happens.....!!!! :2guns:

PS. I'm not a volly so no skin off my nose....although there WOULD be some taken off yours for doing something like that :oi-grr:- especially if theyr'e off to an MVA!!!

pss. I wasn't having a dig at the police if you read what I wrote again you'll see I was having a dig at the rediculous and unecessary tickets which get issued quite often.....savvy?You'll find I actually defend the police A LOT on here....and actually have a lot of respect for the boys in blue....

Peace

[Waxxa]

Wait 'till the final notice is posted out and then arrange to pay the fine in weekly amounts, at the minimum payments.

[Scouse]

Tried this not long ago. They spelt my mane wrong, Are you dyslexic?

[avgas]

They are going to do this how? - by running a check on the plate which will show the car belongs to....????:girlfight:
Vehicle description does not match plate? :eek::bleh:

[Patrick]

- They don't need to show the radar gun was working.
- They don't need to show the cop knew how to use it, cos you confessed.


Interestingly, it would appear that the radar was being used with multiple vehicles in the beam. It can't really work in this mode, at least its operation in this mode is regularly rejected by the courts.

The policeman was using his experience and judgement to ping YOU as the speeding driver, even though all the radar was saying was "someone is speeding, but I don't know who"

Had you just politely said "fuck off you moron, heres my licence, now I'm off, post me the ticket" (or word to that effect !) you may have had a good chance of defending this ticket.

Having said "yeah I was speeding but the law is stupid" you have diminished you chances of a good defence.

Nonetheless, cops are pragmatic. Its a small ticket. It may not be worth prosecuting. The cop may leave the force, die of donuts, or lose the file.

Good luck !

Wrong on a few things there... unit must be certifed/calibrated as accurate, user must be certified to use it. Any one of those missing, its game over. As for the multiple targets, yeah, fastest and closest are the two. The fastest soon becomes the closest - piece of piss really... and the fastest is the one visually blasting past all the other obviously visually slower ones... Rocket science it aint...



If they ask "any reason for the speed?" then dont answer. just look at them and blink. You do NOT have to discuss things with them.
DB

I ask because some are funny, or they have an excuse (like the wife having a baby, right now...)... they get off....

Those that are rude/obnoxious or just plain ignorant/silent/whatever = ticket every time...

[P38]

I got off a ticket once for not wearing my seat belt when I was 18.:yes::yes::yes:

Had to go to court back then to dispute the tickets.

I told the Judge it's kinda hard to wear one when riding a Z1R.

He agreed and said see ya later. :niceone:

The cop was pissed off that he had made a mistake when he was filling out the ticket and tried to explain to the judge but it was written in black n white so there was no argument really :bleh:

I was not wearing a helmet,

Which is a totally Dumbass thing to do now that I look back.:yes::yes::yes::yes:

So unless things have changed heaps in the last 30yrs, I'd dispute the ticket.

You probally got a pretty good chance of walking.

[spudchucka]

no worries you do that and see what happens.....!!!! :2guns:

PS. I'm not a volly so no skin off my nose....although there WOULD be some taken off yours for doing something like that :oi-grr:- especially if theyr'e off to an MVA!!!

pss. I wasn't having a dig at the police if you read what I wrote again you'll see I was having a dig at the rediculous and unecessary tickets which get issued quite often.....savvy?You'll find I actually defend the police A LOT on here....and actually have a lot of respect for the boys in blue....

Peace

I wasn't having a dig at firefighters, just pointing out that there are guilty people in all walks of life.

And as for the lunatic vollies, the messages has just been passed on to the big chief who has sorted the problem out nicely without any further police involvement.

MVA's, 1V's? The drivers I was talking about were the ones driving their own private cars to base, not the ones driving the appliance to the emergency. For some reason a few seem to think they can drive through town in whatever manor they want to in order to get on the truck first. I'm talking about exceeding 50 Kms by more than enough to remove their licence on the spot.

[FJRider]

he may have got that number wrong as well :laugh:

TT I think the :Police: gave you an out just wait the 28 days then write in & say this is not the car i was driving

I'd bet money he DIDN'T...
AND the only OUT he will have, will be... "out of POCKET"

[firefighter]

I wasn't having a dig at firefighters, just pointing out that there are guilty people in all walks of life.

And as for the lunatic vollies, the messages has just been passed on to the big chief who has sorted the problem out nicely without any further police involvement.

MVA's, 1V's? The drivers I was talking about were the ones driving their own private cars to base, not the ones driving the appliance to the emergency. For some reason a few seem to think they can drive through town in whatever manor they want to in order to get on the truck first. I'm talking about exceeding 50 Kms by more than enough to remove their licence on the spot.

ahhhhhh, ya I see what you mean in their private cars that's not on.....I thought you were meaning pulling over a responding truck! hahaha (you can see why I responded the way I did!) Fair nuff then.:cool:

[spudchucka]

ahhhhhh, ya I see what you mean in their private cars that's not on.....I thought you were meaning pulling over a responding truck! hahaha (you can see why I responded the way I did!) Fair nuff then.:cool:

Those things can't do much more than 130 with a full load can they?

[davereid]

... unit must be certifed/calibrated as accurate, user must be certified to use it. Any one of those missing, its game over.

Absolutely relevant stuff if you need it in court.

If the ticket was denied, all that stuff would need to be correct or the police may lose. I say may, because in this case, the motorists admision that he was speeding will also be considered by the court.

If you just used your eye to judge a vehicles speed, and the driver admitted the offence you would have a strong case !

Thats the point I was making - you don't need to say "Yer honor, I zapped him with the radar which was calibrated an I am trained on"

All you need to say is "Yer honor, he admitted he was doing 114km/hr but its ok cos the law is an arse"

[Squiggles]

only works with parking tickets, but a speeding one would be against your license...

[Max Preload]

i'm not fully savvy on their response rules but iv'e seen them do some crazy shit....

I had one do a 3-point turn over a double yellow on a blind corner to presumably try and give me a speeding ticket for maybe 75 in a 50 (no side roads, broken yellows both sides, no houses or anything - you get the idea). That was far more dangerous than what I was doing so needless to say I didn't stick around to collect any paperwork. What's good for the goose etc. This was all after the Buller Gorge incident too.

[Shadows]

Can you get off a speeding ticket for incorrect information? (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=75914)

Of course you can. Just give the copper somebody else's name, fool.

[Max Preload]

As for the multiple targets, yeah, fastest and closest are the two. The fastest soon becomes the closest - piece of piss really... and the fastest is the one visually blasting past all the other obviously visually slower ones... Rocket science it aint...

I thought it was fastest and strongest signal...

[Patrick]

I thought it was fastest and strongest signal...


Yeah... that too... that is why there is training... So you can tell that the truck doing 35kmph up the hill and giving off the strongest and closest signal has little to do with the boy racer doing 173 passing him....

[davereid]

Yeah... that too... that is why there is training... So you can tell that the truck doing 35kmph up the hill and giving off the strongest and closest signal has little to do with the boy racer doing 173 passing him....

Do your operating procedures give you any guidelines for issuing tickets with multiple vehicles in the beam ?

Does the Stalker manual have any comment on it ?

[Max Preload]

Yeah... that too... that is why there is training... So you can tell that the truck doing 35kmph up the hill and giving off the strongest and closest signal has little to do with the boy racer doing 173 passing him....

What about the bike passing the boy racer... on the left...

I can't understand why there isn't a distance to target readout (and perhaps more importantly, a time stamp) accompanying each of the speeds. Perhaps they'll roll that out on the next model.

[CookMySock]

I can't understand why there isn't a distance to target readout (and perhaps more importantly, a time stamp) accompanying each of the speeds. Perhaps they'll roll that out on the next model.The technology used doesn't have that sort of feature, and it can't easily be added.

The microwave radar units shoot a 30-40GHz signal down the road and listens for reflections on nearby frequencies. The further the frequency of the reflection away from the transmitted signal means the greater the speed of the target.

If there are two targets at the same speed you will get one reflection. If you have two targets at varying speeds you will get two reflections and if the firmware allows - two speeds indicated.

Savvy ?

There is no mechanism to determine distance, unless new tricks are done with chirp modulating the transmitted signal blah-di-blah but now a simple instrument becomes a complex one..

Laser is a different story, where it is very difficult to detect the different return (doppler) signal so they do it a different way - they send a pulsed beam of light and they can easily measure the phase angle of the return signal in comparison with the transmitted signal. Greater phase angle = greater distance. From distance and time can be calculated speed.

Laser can be used to separate one target from another, but it cannot simultaneously resolve two targets like microwave can. But microwave requires enormous operator skill and understanding, combined with video, to give any useful result in when there are two or more targets. The results would so confusing, and the explanation so technical, that the judge would scratch his head for a week and unlikely he would allow it.

See, clear as mud.


DB

[davereid]

What about the bike passing the boy racer... on the left...I can't understand why there isn't a distance to target readout (and perhaps more importantly, a time stamp) accompanying each of the speeds. Perhaps they'll roll that out on the next model.

Doppler radar can't identify :

- How far away the target is
- If there are multiple targets in the beam, which one it is actually looking at
- There is not a direct relationship between distance to target and signal strength
- There is not a direct relationship between vehicle size and signal strength

I asked the question, as in the "olden days lol" I had a 10.525 Ghz police radar unit to test, and found lots of ways it would F.Up.

Stalker DSR is very very much better. But it still can't indentify its target.

It USED to be that police (Traffic then) were not permitted to give you a ticket when there were multiple vehicles in the beam. In act, they could listen to the returned "beat" note and used to call it a "clear tone" if nly one vehicle was in the beam.

Stalker DOES NOT let the operator hear this beat note, as it would be confusing, changing with patrol car speed. Instead, the Stalker guesses which signal is important, and makes an audible tone which corresponds to That Target.

[timetoride]

Recieved my reminder notice today and the reg number is not the same as my car, so I will go to the post office and get the details for the vehicle that it is stated I was driving and send that with my letter I have drafted. Will let you know how I get on...:clap:

[scumdog]

Recieved my reminder notice today and the reg number is not the same as my car, so I will go to the post office and get the details for the vehicle that it is stated I was driving and send that with my letter I have drafted. Will let you know how I get on...:clap:


Sounds like you MAY have a win here...

[Mikkel]

Yes I understand that I was over the speed limit, however in my eyes trying to pass a vehicle travelling at 85/90 kph at 100 kph and spending god knows how long on the wrong side of the road while doing so is alot more of a risk to other road users than passing at 120kph and getting the manouvre completed quickly and effectively.

Incorrect - we all know that speed kills. More speed = more deaths :yes:

:rolleyes: :tugger: [p/t]


He'll have YOUR licence No. on the ticket ??? It was you...doesn't matter what you were driving...

That was what I was thinking. Did he write down your license number correctly?


Recieved my reminder notice today and the reg number is not the same as my car, so I will go to the post office and get the details for the vehicle that it is stated I was driving and send that with my letter I have drafted. Will let you know how I get on...:clap:

Best of luck!
Anyway, what were you driving that day?

[CookMySock]

Recieved my reminder notice today and the reg number is not the same as my car, so I will go to the post office and get the details for the vehicle that it is stated I was driving and send that with my letter I have drafted. Will let you know how I get on...:clap:Coolies. Tell him "I have never driven or owned this car. Your information is incorrect. My legal advice is to not pay this infringement notice."

Do NOT give him any further information.

DB

[scumdog]

Coolies. Tell him "I have never driven or owned this car. Your information is incorrect. My legal advice is to not pay this infringement notice."

Do NOT give him any further information.

DB

Who is this 'him' you are refering to??

[Roki_nz]

I have a better one than getting fined for doing 114km

I got fined $30 for doing 56 in a 50km school zone... DURING THE SCHOOL HOLIDAYS

[cruza]

I have a better one than getting fined for doing 114km

I got fined $30 for doing 56 in a 50km school zone... DURING THE SCHOOL HOLIDAYS

Yeah.....I got done for 5km over in a truck near the end off a passing lane north of rakaia 2 yrs ago. That lowered my already dim view of highway patrol enforcement policy.

[FJRider]

Recieved my reminder notice today and the reg number is not the same as my car, so I will go to the post office and get the details for the vehicle that it is stated I was driving and send that with my letter I have drafted. Will let you know how I get on...:clap:

YOU recieved the "reminder". LICENCE No. would have been correct then.
BUGGER eh !!!...

[Nasty]

I have a better one than getting fined for doing 114km

I got fined $30 for doing 56 in a 50km school zone... DURING THE SCHOOL HOLIDAYS

Since 56 is well above 50 i am not surprised. Since its around 40 during school time.

[Shadows]

Incorrect - we all know that speed kills.

Nah, speed is fine. Its the potential sudden deceleration that fucks people up.

[scumdog]

Nah, speed is fine. Its the potential sudden deceleration that fucks people up.

And who cares about the speed - ya speed, ya pay.

[Shadows]

And who cares about the speed - ya speed, ya pay.

Only if you stop :bleh:

[scumdog]

Only if you stop :bleh:

Meh....sometimes if you DO stop ya don't care - after all, with that kind of stop yer dead, ergo ya don't care, eh?

[Shadows]

Meh....sometimes if you DO stop ya don't care - after all, with that kind of stop yer dead, ergo ya don't care, eh?

Yep. 'cept that sometimes would only be onetimes.

[scumdog]

Yep. 'cept that sometimes would only be onetimes.

AND that 'onetime' is all it takes.

[FJRider]

And if it was that 'one time'... would you expect US to care... ???

[timetoride]

OK. Got a letter back from our friendly boys in blue.. Nuts and bolts is because the offence does not relate to the vehicle but the driver I have to pay unless I go to court.. Was worth a try tho..

[peasea]

OK. Got a letter back from our friendly boys in blue.. Nuts and bolts is because the offence does not relate to the vehicle but the driver I have to pay unless I go to court.. Was worth a try tho..


Plead 'not guilty' just for fun, I always do. Make things up, deny everything and be emphatic in court. Oh, and don't forget your popcorn.

[Irontusk]

I saw a case in the paper where someone got off on this basis however the policeman had gotten lots of stuff wrong on the ticket - Wrong road, time of day, type of vehicle etc.

Was the cop breath tested for being a drunk bastard?

[Max Preload]

I saw a case in the paper where someone got off on this basis however the policeman had gotten lots of stuff wrong on the ticket - Wrong road, time of day, type of vehicle etc.

This one perhaps.

[FastBikeGear]

However when I checked the ticket when I got home the registration number for my car had 3 incorrect digits/numbers. Can I make a submission for this or do I just have to wear it? Can those in the know spread any light on the subject?


Yes you can definitely get off on this. I have had a couple of similar instances and got off on both. In one instance they wrote the model of the car incorrectly and I wrote in and got off. And in the other (an instance where I asked for a court hearing due to incorrect use of a laser unit) the police actually claimed the date was wrong and so they said they no longer wanted to go to court (actually the date on the ticket was correct!)

[Patrick]

Yes you can definitely get off on this. I have had a couple of similar instances and got off on both. In one instance they wrote the model of the car incorrectly and I wrote in and got off. And in the other (an instance where I asked for a court hearing due to incorrect use of a laser unit) the police actually claimed the date was wrong and so they said they no longer wanted to go to court (actually the date on the ticket was correct!)

The ticket is for the driver - the model of car is unimportant. You got lucky. The date is important though...

[paulmac]

If you are high in your demerit points then pay with a cheque and pay $1 too much. The system won't accept it and they send you a cheque back for the $1. Don't cash that cheque till your points can handle it !!

[Subike]

I have a nice four letter word that I use with officers when asked multiple questions, after giving my name, address, DOB and answer the question, "have you been drinking today sir" to which I answer " no"
I use this word when I know I am in the wrong
I have no need to give the officer any other information.
The four letter word?
PASS
think about it, try it. It leads nowhere, tells nothing, is not abustive, is not unco-operative. And it is not being smart, cheeky or
The less information you give the better.
Incorrect information on a ticket?
Depends upon if you want to play a game of just get on with life as to what you do.
My opinion as to what to do?
Pass

[scumdog]

If you are high in your demerit points then pay with a cheque and pay $1 too much. The system won't accept it and they send you a cheque back for the $1. Don't cash that cheque till your points can handle it !!


Your points will go on after 2 months regardless of what you do - back dated to the offence date.

So I'm not sure what the benefit of sending in a cheque for the wrong amount would be.

[Ixion]

That loophole was closed many many years ago. Urban legend now.

[Winston001]

OK. Got a letter back from our friendly boys in blue.. Nuts and bolts is because the offence does not relate to the vehicle but the driver I have to pay unless I go to court.. Was worth a try tho..

Well I've chewed my way through this thread and now the essential point has been made - you commit the offence, not your car. Parking tickets are different in that regard.

Did you write to the Infringement Bureau after receiving the Infringement Notice? Or was it before then? I'd have waited for the Notice which normally comes after 28 days after the ticket is issued. At that point the offence is crystallised.

You still have the right to plead Not Guilty and have a Court Hearing. It'll probably be presided over by JPs because District Court Judges don't bother with this minor stuff.

Your defence is to ask the officer if he is certain that you were the driver? If so, how does he explain the registration on the car? How many people did he stop that day? That week? He must talk to many motorists each day, does he honestly remember each and every one of them? Three months later...?

How can he be certain you were the driver - it wasn't your car....?

You get the drift. I had an officer once who when asked if someone else might have given him the defendants name, thought about it and truthfully answered "Yes". Charge dismissed and big ups to that policeman.

PS - You cannot give evidence in your defence. If you do, you'll have to admit being the driver = convicted. What you are entitled to do is cast reasonable doubt on the officers evidence. You do that by questioning, not getting in the witness box yourself. Keep out of there. :D

[FJRider]

How many people with HIS driver's license number do ya reckon are driving around ??? He got the ticket MAILED to him... wrong person??? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Irontusk]

How many people with HIS driver's license number do ya reckon are driving around ??? He got the ticket MAILED to him... wrong person??? :lol: :lol: :lol:

I can't remember if this has been covered already.. but maybe he copied the number wrong? (Ok, so he didn't, but this could be questioned as he clearly wasn't very on to it that day)

[Winston001]

I can't remember if this has been covered already.. but maybe he copied the number wrong? (Ok, so he didn't, but this could be questioned as he clearly wasn't very on to it that day)

Well yes, thats my point. If the officer made a mistake with the rego, why not a mistake with the licence? Innocent until proven guilty, reasonable doubt.

Just because you are summonsed doesn't mean you are the correct person apprehended at that time and place. So long as you simply ask questions, raise a doubt, and don't lie, this is an absolutely legitimate way to defend this charge.

Its not a game, just correct use of legal rights.

[RT527]

Yes I understand that I was over the speed limit, however in my eyes trying to pass a vehicle travelling at 85/90 kph at 100 kph and spending god knows how long on the wrong side of the road while doing so is alot more of a risk to other road users than passing at 120kph and getting the manouvre completed quickly and effectively.
If I get speeding on my bike I will put my hand up and take the :spanking:. But I travel between 800 & 1200 km a week in my car so the risk of having a speed related accident/ a ticket are quite high. For that reason I make a concerted effort to control the right foot. I get passed by more vehicles than I could count travelling at 110+ kph and I suppose I feel a bit singled out on this occasion. If I had been intentionally travelling at that speed constantly then I would pay with no issue.

Have ya ever thought of just waiting for a passing lane...geez it might hold you up all of 1 to 2 mins longer???....I get it all the time...Im in a truck ...they in a car...old fella wearing a hat...doing 60-70 in a 100.

Oh btw Im restricted to 91 kph flat out, fast as i can go.
Thing is I know this so dont even risk it i just have some patience back off a little so as not to give granddad a coronary and wait my time.
( i know i know i get paid by the hour so alls good haha.)

Also your admitting you did it and not blaming the other driver for making YOU get a ticket by speeding .:2thumbsup.

Lol sorry bout all this...just got back from a 2 car mva ....very very lucky people.so me road safe side of me is still active.
Right back to being a lazy slob whom isnt perfect either.:cool:

[FJRider]

OK. Got a letter back from our friendly boys in blue.. Nuts and bolts is because the offence does not relate to the vehicle but the driver I have to pay unless I go to court.. Was worth a try tho..

When he goes to court, make sure you help him out with legal expenses/court costs if he gets found not guilty(they will cost more than the original fine) and if found guilty... resulting fine WILL be greater than the original fine... PM timetoride for HIS bank account detail's, and wish him luck from me. :sunny:

[Ixion]

The trouble with that theory is that as soon as a passing lane appears grandad will invariable accelerate to 110kph. And them of course, slow back to 60 kph as soon as the road narrows. So whichever way, you can only get past him by exceeding the speed limit.

The "oh it will only hold you up for 1 or 2 minutes" is a total red herring. If I have 400 km to travel , and I can hold 100kph average, I'll be there in 4 hours. So, I can do whatever I have to do, and return , be home at a reasonable hour. If I am dropped to a 50kph avergae , due to being held up all the way by grandad and his myraid successors (it's not "just a minute or two", it's 10 or 15 minutes PER GRANDAD) , then it becomes an 8 hour trip. So now I can't get home that day (or if I do I'll be dead beat, and been driving for 16 ours, and that's certainly not safe).

So grandad's inconsiderate arrogance turns my there and back in a day into a two day trip. He costs me a day of my life (and I don't have that many left). Plus hotel and victualling costs for a night. Why should I suffer thus because he is an arrogant incompetant prick?

What particularly pisses me off is that nine times out of ten grandad is actually younger than I am !

[Patrick]

Your defence is to ask the officer if he is certain that you were the driver? If so, how does he explain the registration on the car? How many people did he stop that day? That week? He must talk to many motorists each day, does he honestly remember each and every one of them? Three months later...?

How can he be certain you were the driver - it wasn't your car....?



Identity is not an issue that needs considering by the court when the ticket is handed at the time, for the reasons above. Seen that somewhere, buggered if I know where, but some snakes know it well......

[Winston001]

When he goes to court, make sure you help him out with legal expenses/court costs if he gets found not guilty(they will cost more than the original fine) and if found guilty... resulting fine WILL be greater than the original fine... PM timetoride for HIS bank account detail's, and wish him luck from me. :sunny:

Hey FJ, lighten up. You are correct that with court costs, the fine is effectively doubled. All I have done is describe an approach to the problem and another member has said he always defends tickets. No big deal.

Lots of people read this type of thread without posting, so a bit of clear knowledge is not a bad thing.

I expect the original poster will pay his fine and that will be that.

[Winston001]

Identity is not an issue that needs considering by the court when the ticket is handed at the time, for the reasons above. Seen that somewhere, buggered if I know where, but some snakes know it well......

Fair enough and some officers are reasonably assiduous about identity at the time, thus making it easy from the witness box or on cross.

[Winston001]

Have ya ever thought of just waiting for a passing lane...geez it might hold you up all of 1 to 2 mins longer???...

Lol sorry bout all this...just got back from a 2 car mva ....very very lucky people.so me road safe side of me is still active.
:cool:

Appreciate your point about road safety.

As for passing lanes - HA! I can only think of one set, south of Gore, in the whole of Southland. They simply don't exist down here and sod all in Otago. In fact passing lanes only appear north of Timaru in my experience.

[scumdog]

Appreciate your point about road safety.

As for passing lanes - HA! I can only think of one set, south of Gore, in the whole of Southland. They simply don't exist down here and sod all in Otago. In fact passing lanes only appear north of Timaru in my experience.

HEY!

We have two south of Riviera and three north of it!!

[Winston001]

HEY!

We have two south of Riviera and three north of it!!

Whut? That bloody steep hill on the south side doesn't count and...ok....I'll give you Clarks Junction. And the motorway. North and South. But thats it.

Nitpicker.....grumble mumblefarg.... :crazy:

[scumdog]

Whut? That bloody steep hill on the south side doesn't count and...ok....I'll give you Clarks Junction. And the motorway. North and South. But thats it.

Nitpicker.....grumble mumblefarg.... :crazy:

TWO within 4 km of the south of the Riviera

TWO within five km of the north (ok, in each occasion it's one for each direction)

PLUS one in town for each direction

AND the one at Clarkesville too!!:bleh:

[MSTRS]

When he goes to court, make sure you help him out with legal expenses/court costs if he gets found not guilty(they will cost more than the original fine) and if found guilty... resulting fine WILL be greater than the original fine... PM timetoride for HIS bank account detail's, and wish him luck from me. :sunny:

Point to clarify. I thought the person/agency prosecuting the case pays costs if the charge is dismissed? ie - the defendent is liable only if found guilty.

[FJRider]

doubt if it will apply to timetoride though......

[RT527]

The trouble with that theory is that as soon as a passing lane appears grandad will invariable accelerate to 110kph. And them of course, slow back to 60 kph as soon as the road narrows. So whichever way, you can only get past him by exceeding the speed limit.

The "oh it will only hold you up for 1 or 2 minutes" is a total red herring. If I have 400 km to travel , and I can hold 100kph average, I'll be there in 4 hours. So, I can do whatever I have to do, and return , be home at a reasonable hour. If I am dropped to a 50kph avergae , due to being held up all the way by grandad and his myraid successors (it's not "just a minute or two", it's 10 or 15 minutes PER GRANDAD) , then it becomes an 8 hour trip. So now I can't get home that day (or if I do I'll be dead beat, and been driving for 16 ours, and that's certainly not safe).

So grandad's inconsiderate arrogance turns my there and back in a day into a two day trip. He costs me a day of my life (and I don't have that many left). Plus hotel and victualling costs for a night. Why should I suffer thus because he is an arrogant incompetant prick?

What particularly pisses me off is that nine times out of ten grandad is actually younger than I am !

haha you took it a little too literal.

It wasnt going to be a perfect example...and most grandads arnt traveling far, usually they going to the nearest town, but then that is a 4 hr trip down south...silly me sorry.

[Lias]

What particularly pisses me off is that nine times out of ten grandad is actually younger than I am !

I read the first grandad reference and was all ready to find a picture of a kettle for you :-)

[Ixion]

I read the first grandad reference and was all ready to find a picture of a kettle for you :-)

I have a kettle. And the grandads annoy her particularly. Riding a big two smoker slowly is no fun at all.

Not to mention the stupid old fool down the road who called the fire brigade when I was just clearing my crankcases.

[Horse]

The trouble with that theory is that as soon as a passing lane appears grandad will invariable accelerate to 110kph. And them of course, slow back to 60 kph as soon as the road narrows. So whichever way, you can only get past him by exceeding the speed limit.

Quoted For Truth.

In this neck of the woods, in which I'm frequently driving around mid-day in the work cage, this happens All The Freaking Time.

[vinnieh]

Hey, just my two cents worth:

I live with two traffic cops and I have had some great chats with them. They are actually pretty good guys. His advice to me was that if I ever get pulled up, act as GUTTED as you can about the ticket, just go like "How much sir? $180!?! Awww man SHIT... gutted that sucks. Oh shit. Sorry man. Shit gutted." Throw your head back on the seat head rest and close your eyes like you have a severe headache and act a bit dramatic, but not too much. Obviously if you are driving a flash vehicle you won't get let off but yeah. So act real polite to the officer even though it sucks. Treat him like a friend and say Cheers mate to him, and he will walk off feeling like a real prick for ticketing a nice guy.

My cop flatmate who told me this said that they will ALWAYS ticket impolite assholes and quite often they will throw away their ticket stub because they feel bad about "being a twat" (They are english.)
I got off a $80 and $270 ticket from doing that, as well as a $400 ticket for carrying passengers on my learners which was a few years ago.

Moral of the story: don't pay your ticket until the reminder comes and always be nice to traffic cops, even if they are power tripping arseholes.

[Patrick]

Hey, just my two cents worth:

I live with two traffic cops and I have had some great chats with them. They are actually pretty good guys. His advice to me was that if I ever get pulled up, act as GUTTED as you can about the ticket, just go like "How much sir? $180!?! Awww man SHIT... gutted that sucks. Oh shit. Sorry man. Shit gutted." Throw your head back on the seat head rest and close your eyes like you have a severe headache and act a bit dramatic, but not too much. Obviously if you are driving a flash vehicle you won't get let off but yeah. So act real polite to the officer even though it sucks. Treat him like a friend and say Cheers mate to him, and he will walk off feeling like a real prick for ticketing a nice guy.

My cop flatmate who told me this said that they will ALWAYS ticket impolite assholes and quite often they will throw away their ticket stub because they feel bad about "being a twat" (They are english.)
I got off a $80 and $270 ticket from doing that, as well as a $400 ticket for carrying passengers on my learners which was a few years ago.

Moral of the story: don't pay your ticket until the reminder comes and always be nice to traffic cops, even if they are power tripping arseholes.

Funny post. Except about the cop throwing away the ticket stub part. They are numbered and accountable, each book signed out to one officer and that officer must account for all tickets in that book (usually they are forwarded as "issued, to be paid" or "cancelled, due to a cock up or another......)

[vinnieh]

Funny post. Except about the cop throwing away the ticket stub part. They are numbered and accountable, each book signed out to one officer and that officer must account for all tickets in that book (usually they are forwarded as "issued, to be paid" or "cancelled, due to a cock up or another......)

I might have to ask my flattie what he meant when he told me that story. I don't think he meant that he threw away the whole book, maybe just tore out the ticket he wrote? I'm not sure, but for my $80 and $270 tickets I waited for the reminders which never came. For my $400 one I wrote a massive sob story to wellington about the ticket and they sent me a letter back that just said something along the lines of "That ticket has not been submitted by the officer, please wait for the reminder letter before writing your explanation." I never got a reminder.

Incidentally, the cop who fined me $400 was what I thought a real asshole prick, he initially told me he was going to fine me $10,000 for being an unlicensed taxi driver (because my explanation was that I was giving my drunk mates a lift home), then he reduced it down to $400 for each passenger plus another $400 for driving after curfew, which came out at $1800. After he told me that, he ripped his ticket book out of his pocket with a really assholy flourish which only the Waikato Highway Patrol can pull off :Police:, and began writing the ticket, and wouldn't answer me about how much he was docking me for until he was done writing it, which took forever cause as he was writing it he asked each of my passengers what their names were, where they lived and if their parents knew they were out.

Following that terrible night, I went for and passed my full license the next week. :laugh: Although turns out that fat bastard was actually one of the good ones because I think he let me off, unless he wrote out the ticket wrong.

[Bonmaklad]

i've known people get off of tickets because the pc forgot to put his name in, i've known bugulars get away with stealing because the police officer wasn't allowed to search them in time, i've known people get away with murder because jury need to agree and they can't.

The Law has so many loop holes we all love it when we get away with a ticket but then we all moan when the kiddy fidlers are back on the street.


I would personally pay it, you were in the wrong.

:Playnice:

[scumdog]

i've known people get off of tickets because the pc forgot to put his name in, i've known bugulars get away with stealing because the police officer wasn't allowed to search them in time, i've known people get away with murder because jury need to agree and they can't.

The Law has so many loop holes we all love it when we get away with a ticket but then we all moan when the kiddy fidlers are back on the street.


I would personally pay it, you were in the wrong.

:Playnice:

Sheesh, the KB lynch-mob will be pounding after YOU!!!

But good post.

[Korumba]

Just get a personalized plate to display the incorrect numbers and letters on the ticket and then you can happily pay in full!!!

[Max Preload]

The Law has so many loop holes we all love it when we get away with a ticket but then we all moan when the kiddy fiddlers are back on the street.

Wow. So now 'speeders' are as bad as kiddie fiddlers? Is that you Knackstead? <_<

[discotex]

Ok hypothetical question.... :innocent:

Assuming name, date and rego are correct but license number has been recorded as your license class is it worth a try?

One would assume license number is something that must be correct like the date.

[davereid]

Ok hypothetical question.... :innocent:

Assuming name, date and rego are correct but license number has been recorded as your license class is it worth a try?

One would assume license number is something that must be correct like the date.

A ticket is merely an invitation from the police to admit the offence, pay the (default) penalty and get on with your life.

Any error on a ticket that may cause the police trouble in court - like saying you were speeding on the 33rd of August is useful.

You don't ever GET OFF a ticket, all that happens is the police decide not to prosecute as the evidence is unlikely to prove the charge

But you should take every ticket to court.

Cops like to say " It doesnt bother us, we get paid, you lose a day off work.. you will get to pay court costs" etc etc.

But it is all about money.

In more that 1/3 of defended court hearings you will win.

You don't need to prove you are innocent. You don't need to prove the cop is dishonest, unreliable, or wrong.

All you need need to show is that there is reasonable doubt. About his use of the gear, his training, his identification of you as the culprit etc etc.

And, its all in your favour.

You get disclosure of his evidence against you. You dont need to provide any details of your defence.

If you ask for disclosure of something and the police don't provide it, then they havegiven ou an out.

Its costs them heaps. Half a day away from patrol. The boss may say he is OK about it, but he won't met his ticket quota that day.

Best of all ?

The cop wants a god work story to tell his mates.

Being cross examined in front of a judge, and made to look like a half wit, by an alledged speeder that he is not allowed to cross examine, doesnt count.

Even if you lose, even if you ad court costs, the fine is often lower that the ticket.

Bjut we all win.

[scumdog]

Yup, them defended hearing are a giggle - 'speshly the ones where the dude defends himself using info gleaned from L A Law or similar...:doh:

[Matt_TG]

Denny Crane?

[jase the ace]

hi, i would simply advise the matter is to be defended. say no more until it comes up to court when you receive a summons . when cross examining the cop ask him what he does in order to pass another vehicle . say the car in front was doing 95kph. would he slowly pass so as not to exceed the limit or pass as quickly as poss. to get back to the left side of the road . obviously the longer u are on the wrongside of the road the more danger of a head on collision . the number one rule is to keep left . ask him what his previous occupation was . remember not all law enforcement guys are honest some have even been rapists . he may even have some convictions himself ..(ask him ) how long has he been in the job .... cheers

[Tank]

...... ask him what his previous occupation was . remember not all law enforcement guys are honest some have even been rapists .

Last time I looked being a rapist was a hobbie not a occupation. p/t.

With bush lawyers offering advise like that - I mean how can you possibly lose?

[nico]

Four things:

You may have been deliberately given an 'out' with a mistake (unlikley)
You MAY be able to argue the case and get off (don't count on it)
You COULD have another ticket arrive in the mail with the correct numbers (not so likely, the cop wouldn't know he'd got the number wrong)
You may have to pay up:doh:

Not the sort of ticket I see as 'fair' if what you said is true - however it is a valid offence unfortunately.

agread, you probally wont get of it dude i thaught i was in with a grin when my rego was wrong wrote a letter in faxed it off 5 days latter i got another ticket with corect detal's on it however if you were to wait the 2 months 1 month for ticket then the 1 month overdue bit then fax a letter off it did give me another month to pay , yes it took me 3 months to actually save the $$ to pay, come to think of it mabie thats why they didnt let me off 139km :nono:opps my bad it's always worth a shot but wouldnt hold ya breath :niceone:

[burgermaker]

The other day while I was behaving myself:innocent: I got pulled over for doing 114 kph after passing a car. I was in my car not on my bike, I explained to the :Police: that I had just completed passing a car but he said I was back in the left hand lane so should be doing 100kph even if I had just passed (I do alot of travelling so I do behave myself in the car) and he didin't care for excusues. To cut along story short we had a bit of a set too about it with the final result being me still getting a ticket. However when I checked the ticket when I got home the registration number for my car had 3 incorrect digits/numbers. Can I make a submission for this or do I just have to wear it? Can those in the know spread any light on the subject?

Some cops need to go back to kindergarten. Learn counting from 0 to 9.:bleh:
Three folks received speeding tickets with incorrect information last year. One cop believed Japanese cars were Toyota; the second one thought BMW was the short for Mercedes Benz; the last one was hopeless-- driver's name, rego, and date were wrong :done:

All of them wrote their letters but all finally paid.

[peasea]

I would have a go, it's worth a try, make them fight for it. Wankers.

[ynot slow]

Tried it once,car make was incorrect,had nissan not toymota,all which happened was nice polite letter saying pay up.

[BMWST?]

have they got your name correct?It was you that was speeding,not the car