Cop tried to green sticker my bike because of my plate

[Morcs]

Absolutely ludicrous.

This morning got pulled over for being a loon etc...

He wanted to put a green sticker on my bike and immediately deem it not road worthy because of the angle of my plate.

On my DRZ i have an edge tail light unit, its very nice, the plate is no where near an offensive angle - apparently has to be 90 degrees! He told me to bend it - it would block my exhaust, so he said offset it heaps to one side.

WTF.

now him and his mates on the NW are going to be keeping an eye out to make sure ive fixed it - do I have grounds to not change it? what is the official law on them?

attached are pics of the same bracket on a drz. mine is no different.

[The Pastor]

might help of an actual pic of the plate.

[Morcs]

My tinternet isnt working at home, and cant transfer phone pics to pc at work, so no pics. seriously, the angle is fine and absolutely readable.

cop took a photo though and almost insisted I bend the bracket (which is farking solid) on the side of the road before hed let me ride off.

[ManDownUnder]

My tinternet isnt working at home, and cant transfer phone pics to pc at work, so no pics. seriously, the angle is fine and absolutely readable.

cop took a photo though and almost insisted I bend the bracket (which is farking solid) on the side of the road before hed let me ride off.

Go check with a warrant station. If it's ok with them you have good grounds to contest it.

[CookMySock]

Just look at him and say "write the ticket out, mate." Don't flinch! Then give him your details and say nothing more. Give him 20 seconds to start writing and if he doesnt, then start putting your gear back on, and ride off.

DB

[avgas]

there are no numbers on that plate - thats your problem lol

[slimjim]

yup as all have advised get it checked via warrant garages

[Morcs]

I cant bend the bracket either as It has big welds on the current bend. it will f**k it.

does anyone know the actual law?

no new bikes have the plate at exactly 90 degrees, all of them are at least 20 degrees outwards. mine is 35 degrees approx.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Just look at him and say "write the ticket out, mate." Don't flinch! Then give him your details and say nothing more. Give him 20 seconds to start writing and if he doesnt, then start putting your gear back on, and ride off.

DB


I think thats good advice. I think they were just fucking with you because they thought you might have been riding like a twat: were you?

If the vehicle has a WOF, and received that wof in its present state, then their opinion needs to be tested in court.

[Roki_nz]

Just look at him and say "write the ticket out, mate." Don't flinch! Then give him your details and say nothing more. Give him 20 seconds to start writing and if he doesnt, then start putting your gear back on, and ride off.

DB


Works when they come to your home and accuse you of doing 147km. If they are going to ticket you they will do so right away if not they won't.

[Devil]

That looks a lot closer to 45 degrees to me. Which is a pretty big angle. Put the standard plate holder back on.

[vifferman]

If the vehicle has a WOF, and received that wof in its present state, then their opinion needs to be tested in court.
Perhaps.
It's the law/statutes/regulations that are absolute - a WOF sticker doesn't prove that at any time your vehicle is of a standard that meets the law/statutes/regulations for that vehicle in every regard.
F'rinstance, my bike has a new WOF, and I'm fairly sure that with the possible exception of the front indicators and maybe the muffler, it is up to WOF standard, but in fact the WOF was basically written out without any checks being done at all.

[CookMySock]

yup as all have advised get it checked via warrant garagesI would suggest that you didn't. This might put pressure on the garage to "see things differently." You don't want that to happen.

DB

[Storm]

So um, where do you go for WOF's mr Viffy? ;)

[Morcs]

That looks a lot closer to 45 degrees to me. Which is a pretty big angle. Put the standard plate holder back on.

It went in the bin. Its huge and ugly.

I will get a few washers so the plate is tilted downwards about 5 degrees without bending the bracket.

On the other hand, the plate on my thou is angled the opposite way about 10 degrees. wonder if thats legal...

[scumdog]

I would suggest that you didn't. This might put pressure on the garage to "see things differently." You don't want that to happen.

DB

Fuck off - like they really care enough to be bothered doing that for one measly motorbike ticket??????

Sheesh, think of the donut time they'd be missing.


And a WOF is a 50/50 thing - worth 50 metres and 50 seconds after you get it.

[CookMySock]

If they are going to ticket you they will do so right away if not they won't.Yup, and they didn't, so they can't. So they can fooook off! <img src="http://www.cbbfc.co.uk/img/madagascar_lemur.jpg">


DB

[scumdog]

If they are going to ticket you they will do so right away if not they won't.

Ah, more than one person has had a rather unpleasant surprise with my number on it arrive in their mailbox......

[CookMySock]

Ah, more than one person has had a rather unpleasant surprise with my number on it arrive in their mailbox......Ay ? Is there another one now ? Well fuck me dead.


DB

[HenryDorsetCase]

Perhaps.
It's the law/statutes/regulations that are absolute - a WOF sticker doesn't prove that at any time your vehicle is of a standard that meets the law/statutes/regulations for that vehicle in every regard.
F'rinstance, my bike has a new WOF, and I'm fairly sure that with the possible exception of the front indicators and maybe the muffler, it is up to WOF standard, but in fact the WOF was basically written out without any checks being done at all.


but if it received a WOF from the gummints licenced WOFulation inspectorate, your submission to his Honour is "but the people in charge of deciding whether vehicles comply issued this here certificate of compliance, might one suggest that the officer was a trifle misguided, due to the fact that I had ranted at him for quarter of an hour and asked if his fingers tasted of pork"

go to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect $200 unless it is a fine.

[Toaster]

Fuck off - like they really care enough to be bothered doing that for one measly motorbike ticket??????

Sheesh, think of the donut time they'd be missing.


And a WOF is a 50/50 thing - worth 50 metres and 50 seconds after you get it.


Ah, more than one person has had a rather unpleasant surprise with my number on it arrive in their mailbox......

Listen boys and learn. Scummy is right on there.


...
And basically if they can't read the plate when following you (or the cameras can't photograph it) then it is likely to be considered in court as incorrectly displayed or obscured from view - same goes for plates covered in dirt, poop, or whatever.

Although I think bikes can use vertical mounted plates (chopper style). I can't find the rules that back this one up though. I think bmz2 knows of case law on this and has a side mounted plate.

Remember that once your fat butt sits on your sports-bike the rear end lowers down making it even harder to see a tilted plate under the seat/rear cowling that you thought was clewarly visible when you were off your bike looking at it and arguing with the "50".

[Toaster]

Absolutely ludicrous.

This morning got pulled over for being a loon etc...

He wanted to put a green sticker on my bike and immediately deem it not road worthy because of the angle of my plate.

On my DRZ i have an edge tail light unit, its very nice, the plate is no where near an offensive angle - apparently has to be 90 degrees! He told me to bend it - it would block my exhaust, so he said offset it heaps to one side.

WTF.

now him and his mates on the NW are going to be keeping an eye out to make sure ive fixed it - do I have grounds to not change it? what is the official law on them?

attached are pics of the same bracket on a drz. mine is no different.

Can't see a problem with that plate... put the rego plate back on, get someone to sit on the bike and sit behind it as if you are in a car following.... if you can read the plate it should be okay IMO.

[Swoop]

Ah, more than one person has had a rather unpleasant surprise with my number on it arrive in their mailbox......
You are posting out business cards with your phone number on them???

Isn't that "soliciting"?:whistle:

[eliot-ness]

Get yourself a copy of the Motorcycle riders' handbook. P59 gives all the legal requirements.
Plate must be able to be seen and read clearly within a 45 degree arc of the motorcycle's centre line at a distance of at least 20 metres.
Not hidden by anything, such as registration plate label holder.
Clearly readable, not dirty or damaged.
Free of any characteristics that would prevent the detection of a traffic offence.
Must have a light to ensure it is clearly visible at night.
It is an offence to alter a number plate in any way.
Use a number plate cover that is not flat, clear and untinted.
Have an obscured number plate.
If the bike fulfils all these requirements carry a copy of the handbook ready for the next time you are stopped by an over zealous "crime prevention officer"

[FROSTY]

OHH FFS--bend the fucken thing down. Move the plate slightly to the left or whatever.
Basicly dude you're walking arount with a bloody big target on ya back -do you want the hassle.
Question for ya--was THAT bracket at that angle fitted when the bike got its WOF?

[FROSTY]

Plate must be able to be seen and read clearly within a 45 degree arc of the motorcycle's centre line at a distance of at least 20 metres.
Clearly readable,
Free of any characteristics that would prevent the detection of a traffic offence..
Have an obscured number plate.

If the cop wants to be picky he could probably use any one of thiose

[Morcs]

OHH FFS--bend the fucken thing down. Move the plate slightly to the left or whatever.
Basicly dude you're walking arount with a bloody big target on ya back -do you want the hassle.
Question for ya--was THAT bracket at that angle fitted when the bike got its WOF?

No it wasnt. But ive had (and known of others) who've had plates mounted far worse and got warrants.

My plate is readable from all angles. especially when im riding, the angle is far less as my suspension compresses somewhat.

[Morcs]

Get yourself a copy of the Motorcycle riders' handbook. P59 gives all the legal requirements.
Plate must be able to be seen and read clearly within a 45 degree arc of the motorcycle's centre line at a distance of at least 20 metres.
Not hidden by anything, such as registration plate label holder.
Clearly readable, not dirty or damaged.
Free of any characteristics that would prevent the detection of a traffic offence.
Must have a light to ensure it is clearly visible at night.
It is an offence to alter a number plate in any way.
Use a number plate cover that is not flat, clear and untinted.
Have an obscured number plate.
If the bike fulfils all these requirements carry a copy of the handbook ready for the next time you are stopped by an over zealous "crime prevention officer"

It meets all those requirements.

Since when were car plates visible from such angles out to the side? all the plates that are recessed into the bodywork an inch or more cant be seen for shit unless you are directly behind it.

[FROSTY]

It meets all those requirements.

Since when were car plates visible from such angles out to the side? all the plates that are recessed into the bodywork an inch or more cant be seen for shit unless you are directly behind it.
45 degrees dude- not 90
For a cage that means for example -walk 6 paces parralel to the back of a car then 3 paces back away from it-thatll give ya 45 degrees
best way to check the visibilit of your plate.
take a normal kitchen or office chair.
again take 10 paces sideways from your bike then 5 backwards.
put the office chair down on that spot.
Sit on the chair--can ya read your number plate ?

[Morcs]

Oh does anyone know the technicals of how to get off a:

''Failed to ride entirely within a lane'' charge, ie. lanesplitting - doesnt say anything as to how in the manner I was lane splitting.

[barty5]

just ride around on the back wheel then it will be on the correct angle although the pending dangerous driving could be a problem.

[NOMIS]

Seriously, I see you down the n/w pretty often mines worse than your's..

Keep a eye out for the black hornet with K7 light in the next coming weeks...
I had to cut the edges of mine about a cm each side just to get it to fit inbetween the exhausts.. bloody whorey job but did the trick. 90 degree angle my ass.. this was the 1st thing I done to my bike and 2 wof's later.

[NOMIS]

1 thing though MORCS you do fly down the motorway lol.. sometimes I cant even keep up.. if im thinking of the right bike..
Before I got my silencers cops where givin me the od fingure wave and all that just used to stay in1st and show them how slow im going at 14000rpm :woohoo: lol

[Morcs]

1 thing though MORCS you do fly down the motorway lol.. sometimes I cant even keep up.. if im thinking of the right bike..
Before I got my silencers cops where givin me the od fingure wave and all that just used to stay in1st and show them how slow im going at 14000rpm :woohoo: lol

black motard. Im a lot slower than I used to be. Im making progress.
Though ive discovered listening to happy hardcore/techno whilst lane splitting makes ya go faster...

[vifferman]

So um, where do you go for WOF's mr Viffy? ;)
I ain't telling.
I deliberately didn't go to a VTNZ, as they're picky and can be pedantic and inconsistent. However, "the place where I go" has been guilty of that too. I didn't want to have to change the front indicators back to standard, or have to get the muffler noise-tested (the current restrictor is, by my estimation, a tad loud, given that it's a cut-down version of the Satantune one that's supposed to be 100dB).
However (but!) I was a wee bit concerned that important things like the bearings, lights, etc weren't tested. While I know that they're safe, and I know that the tester assumed that I look after my bike and it was likely that everything was OK, that's not the same as testing and certifying it. If I get pulled up for the zorst (Satantune) or indicators ("E" marked, but don't actually meet the visibility conditions), I won't say, "Well, it's got a new WOF, and those were on there at the time the test was done", because that would put the tester's licence in jeopardy. But in the past he's tested everything thoroughly, even failed my stoplight flasher till I disconnected it, failed worn pads, failed worn head bearings, etc.
I guess I paid $30 or whatever, and that should've paid for a test, not just a sticker.

[Swoop]

45 degrees dude- not 90
For a cage that means for example -walk 6 paces parralel to the back of a car then 3 paces back away from it-thatll give ya 45 degrees
Umm? Wouldn't that have to be 6 paces back and 6 paces out to the side, to get a 45 degree angle?

ie. lanesplitting - doesnt say anything as to how in the manner I was lane splitting.
Where abouts did you get pulled? It has been very quiet recently on the NW.

[NOMIS]

black motard. Im a lot slower than I used to be. Im making progress.
Though ive discovered listening to happy hardcore/techno whilst lane splitting makes ya go faster...

Yup the right one... there 1 go who goes slow as hell and pisses me off and then there the nutter guess ur the 2nd.. i was behind u for about 400m then wa like stuff that.. lol

[Morcs]

Umm? Wouldn't that have to be 6 paces back and 6 paces out to the side, to get a 45 degree angle?

Where abouts did you get pulled? It has been very quiet recently on the NW.

went past him on rosebank road, get to the end of the pt chev offramp to see him (a car) behind me. he'd caned down the bus lane to catch me.

I used to think we were safe from cars in the traffic. obviously not as hed also radio'd another car to get me at western springs if id stayed on the motorway.

[mynameis]

Morcs morcs all this hassle and tickets for small things like this aye.

Ask yourself why? What for? Just so you're a little different from the rest of the bikers or is there any good valid reason for doing that?

Is it really worth all the fines and money wasted?

Having number plate slightly obscured, which is questionable draws attention and they try to nail you for other things.

That's a lot of money on fines boy. Either case good luck with it eh!

[Morcs]

Morcs morcs all this hassle and tickets for small things like this aye.

Ask yourself why? What for? Just so you're a little different from the rest of the bikers or is there any good valid reason for doing that?

Is it really worth all the fines and money wasted?

Having number plate slightly obscured, which is questionable draws attention and they try to nail you for other things.

That's a lot of money on fines boy. Either case good luck with it eh!

I kinda want to not turn this into a morcs bashing thread, though I do get your points.
If you want the details of what happened this morn, I can forward a pm.

[marty]

Oh does anyone know the technicals of how to get off a:

''Failed to ride entirely within a lane'' charge, ie. lanesplitting - doesnt say anything as to how in the manner I was lane splitting.

so, you were riding like a dick, the cop has seen you 23 other times but been unable to catch you (maybe he couldn't get your plate number?), he tries it on throwing everything he can think of at you, you DON"T get a green sticker/ticket for your plate, and you're bleating?

good one.

[nadroj]

Tell him your girlfriend is 130kg & when she's on the back it is at 90.

[mynameis]

I kinda want to not turn this into a morcs bashing thread, though I do get your points.
If you want the details of what happened this morn, I can forward a pm.

Sorry if it sounds like I am bashing but that's not that case at all mate and I hope you do understand where I am coming from aye?

Just drop all the "my rights" thoughts for a moment, take a step back and think.

If I had a normal number plate would I be going through all this hassle. Reason why I am saying this mate, is because I've been through all these when I was younger your age :p

PM me anyway please. Chur.

[Morcs]

so, you were riding like a dick, the cop has seen you 23 other times but been unable to catch you (maybe he couldn't get your plate number?), he tries it on throwing everything he can think of at you, you DON"T get a green sticker/ticket for your plate, and you're bleating?

good one.

You try lane splitting for 35kms in the morning, and again in the evening across auckland.

Its very difficult to not get frustrated. What happens when most of us get frustrated? - we can become careless or reckless. Its human nature, and its very difficult to curb it, especially added with a stressful job.

[Morcs]

Sorry if it sounds like I am bashing but that's not that case at all mate and I hope you do understand where I am coming from aye?

Just drop all the "my rights" thoughts for a moment, take a step back and think.

If I had a normal number plate would I be going through all this hassle. Reason why I am saying this mate, is because I've been through all these when I was younger your age :p

PM me anyway please. Chur.

I know ya not bashing, but other people will jump on the bandwagon as soon as they get a sniff... ;)

[mowgli]

Go check with a warrant station. If it's ok with them you have good grounds to contest it.

I don't think that would work. Vehicle testing is focussed on safety not enforcement. An angled plate is not unsafe - just makes enforcement more difficult. I doubt it's one of the things on their checklist (can't find my last right now) although they might offer an opinion given that they see many vehicles and their plates.

[Tank]

I called LTSA on this a while back regarding a side mounted number plate.

They were very clear that to be legal it MUST be "upright, clearly visible from the rear with all letters and numbers clearly distinguishable"

I'm guessing from the pics that your numberplate isn't upright when attached and therefor illegal.

[Forest]

On my DRZ i have an edge tail light unit, its very nice, the plate is no where near an offensive angle - apparently has to be 90 degrees! He told me to bend it - it would block my exhaust, so he said offset it heaps to one side.


Offsetting the plate sounds like a reasonable compromise. Why don't you just do that?

[vindy500]

It went in the bin. Its huge and ugly.


but legal.

[CookMySock]

Its very difficult to not get frustrated. What happens when most of us get frustrated? - we can become careless or reckless. Its human nature, and its very difficult to curb it, especially added with a stressful job.c'mon man, you know better than this. The actual bike riding is easy as you say, but keeping the head in order is not - fair point - life is like that all around. But you are an adult human being with a brain and a choice - when you get frustrated you acknowledge it to yourself and reconsider your risk taking into account how you are compromised. Why am I telling you this moite ?? My 15 yearold son is just learning this, but you? Cmon, get with the plan. :yes:

Back to your original topic, if they have let you go, then I suggest you let it go also. Chances are you never see them again. Make up some bs story about having it booked in to get it done but they are busy blah blah.


DB

[boomer]

Tell the pig to fook orf.


Take ya bike to a shop and ask them to do a WOF for ya; cost ya $20 bucks. Send said wof to cop shop with ticket and voila.. no more ticket.

keep said WOF along with original and each time you get nicked show him WOFS and after 2nd telling off write in and complain about filthy rozzas

As for getting done for lane splittin.. your obviously not riding fast enough/hard enough if they're catchin ya.. even on the 'tard!!!!


Some filthy rozza tried to do me for my plate like that and i believe Kiwifruits daddy has taken the rozzas to court over similar and won.


happy pig bashin :whistle:

[Dargor]

You should have told him it was bent that way so he can read it when your doing wheelies.

[Tank]

Tell the pig to fook orf.


Take ya bike to a shop and ask them to do a WOF for ya; cost ya $20 bucks. Send said wof to cop shop with ticket and voila.. no more ticket.

keep said WOF along with original and each time you get nicked show him WOFS and after 2nd telling off write in and complain about filthy rozzas

As for getting done for lane splittin.. your obviously not riding fast enough/hard enough if they're catchin ya.. even on the 'tard!!!!


Some filthy rozza tried to do me for my plate like that and i believe Kiwifruits daddy has taken the rozzas to court over similar and won.


happy pig bashin :whistle:

You arnt quite right there Boomer.

1 - The green sticker is because the copper believes that the bike would fail the WOF (Assuming that the licence plate is part of the WOF).

2 - the Green sticker automatically cancels your WOF right there and then

3 - You cannot take it to a bike shop: a requirement in place from 2 May 2003 is that only an LTSA appointed Transport Service Delivery Agent can remove the green sticker. These agents are:

the Automobile Association of NZ
On Road NZ
Vehicle Inspection NZ
Vehicle Testing NZ

Given that the green sticker will say that its for "incorrect alignment of number plate" or something like that - then the above folk are unlikely to give a WOF unless the issue had been addressed.

You will be able to get a new WOF once its been 'fixed' but any fines still stand.

[Tank]

You should have told him it was bent that way so he can read it when your doing wheelies.

Best reply today. - Bling'ed

[boomer]

You arnt quite right there Boomer.

1 - The green sticker is because the copper believes that the bike would fail the WOF (Assuming that the licence plate is part of the WOF).

2 - the Green sticker automatically cancels your WOF right there and then

3 - You cannot take it to a bike shop: a requirement in place from 2 May 2003 is that only an LTSA appointed Transport Service Delivery Agent can remove the green sticker. These agents are:

the Automobile Association of NZ
On Road NZ
Vehicle Inspection NZ
Vehicle Testing NZ

Given that the green sticker will say that its for "incorrect alignment of number plate" or something like that - then the above folk are unlikely to give a WOF unless the issue had been addressed.

You will be able to get a new WOF once its been 'fixed' but any fines still stand.


he didnt get green stickered; he did however get a ticket for a number plate not showin correctly.. ...:wacko:

[fireball]

storm in a tea cup

[nodrog]

since when do wof people give a fuck about number plates? you dont even need one to get a warrent.

[CookMySock]

since when do wof people give a fuck about number plates? you dont even need one to get a warrent.:blink:

DB

[Roki_nz]

No it wasnt. But ive had (and known of others) who've had plates mounted far worse and got warrants.

My plate is readable from all angles. especially when im riding, the angle is far less as my suspension compresses somewhat.


From the pictures you had up if it did have a plate in it i would be able to read it

[Pumba]

Now everyone is forgetting the real issue here, Pete did this offence come with demerit points and hae you lost your licence again:dodge:

[_Shrek_]

I cant bend the bracket either as It has big welds on the current bend. it will f**k it.

does anyone know the actual law?

no new bikes have the plate at exactly 90 degrees, all of them are at least 20 degrees outwards. mine is 35 degrees approx.


it only has to been seen from 20m there is no direction, was told this a few years back still have number plate on the side facng centre of rd (this is on a trailer) but i don't think there is a disctention between this & a car/bike may need a :Police: or warrent agent

[Tank]

so, you were riding like a dick, the cop has seen you 23 other times but been unable to catch you (maybe he couldn't get your plate number?), he tries it on throwing everything he can think of at you, you DON"T get a green sticker/ticket for your plate, and you're bleating?

good one.


he didnt get green stickered; he did however get a ticket for a number plate not showin correctly.. ...:wacko:

I just reread this thread - did he even get a ticket for the plate - or is the ticket for his mad lane splitting 'skillz'?

[Max Preload]

Umm? Wouldn't that have to be 6 paces back and 6 paces out to the side, to get a 45 degree angle?


Plate must be able to be seen and read clearly within a 45 degree arc of the motorcycle's centre line at a distance of at least 20 metres.

I take that as being 45 deg 'arc' meaning included angle, so 22.5 deg either side of centreline - which is how it should really have been stated. It's a bit ambiguous.


since when do wof people give a fuck about number plates? you dont even need one to get a warrant.

True.

[eliot-ness]

I take that as being 45 deg 'arc' meaning included angle, so 22.5 deg either side of centreline - which is how it should really have been stated. It's a bit ambiguous.

Not ambiguous if you have the bike riders manual. There are diagrams with the text. As you say, 22.5deg either side. The more interesting bit is that it is also 45 deg. vertically, taken from a horizontal line through the centre of the bike, which means that an angled plate would be easier to read from any point above the height of the bike. At no point does it state that the plate should be mounted vertically, only that it should comply with the figures given. The manual is avallable online for anyone who wants to check

[nodrog]

...The manual is avallable online for anyone who wants to check

have you got a link as to where one could find it?

[Swoop]

I take that as being 45 deg 'arc' meaning included angle, so 22.5 deg either side of centreline - which is how it should really have been stated.
Ah, OK. I read that as 90deg arc/45 deg either side of centreline.

[Morcs]

Now everyone is forgetting the real issue here, Pete did this offence come with demerit points and hae you lost your licence again:dodge:

Nope. thought I had. turns out I had 50 demerits less than I thought.
Riding a 400 on a restricted - I sit my full next wednesday, so hopefully be able to get that revoked.


I just reread this thread - did he even get a ticket for the plate - or is the ticket for his mad lane splitting 'skillz'?

Cop caned in down the bus lane to catch me. apparently a colleague of his sees me every morning so he mustve recognised me. 2kms later, and me unawares, decides to take the offramp at 120, and in the process, failed to indicate (offramp splits into 2 lanes) and I was already far left, car in front moved right (without indicating)
so no ticket for the plate, but if him or his mate who frequent the NW see it again unfixed, then they will green sticker and $200 fine.

[Max Preload]

Not ambiguous if you have the bike riders manual. There are diagrams with the text.

Blah blah picture blah blah thousand words...

[Tank]

Nope. thought I had. turns out I had 50 demerits less than I thought.
Riding a 400 on a restricted - I sit my full next wednesday, so hopefully be able to get that revoked.

I doubt you will be able to get that revoked - you got the ticket for riding outside the terms of your licence at that point. The fact you got your full a week later (that is assuming you actually pass :clap::clap::clap:) will have no bearing on it.

[Max Preload]

...but if him or his mate who frequent the NW see it again unfixed, then they will green sticker and $200 fine.

Temporary 'fix'... two short pieces of small diameter tube (ID same as the bolts) each cut in half at the suitable angle. Place the plate between the angle cut faces of the tubes so it looks like the tube goes through and the square cut faces of the tubes at each end so the bolt and nut faces are square. You'll probably need longer bolts unless the ones on there are quite long already.

Or just bend the plate... although they might nit-pick on the 'damaged' clause...

[marty]

i'm crying a river over here.

a dried up south island hydro lake filling type of river

haha

[Max Preload]

Get yourself a copy of the Motorcycle riders' handbook. P59 gives all the legal requirements.

BTW who publishes this? It sounds like nothing but a guide to the regulations, like the 'Road Code' which isn't actually the be all and end all.

[sAsLEX]

so, you were riding like a dick, the cop has seen you 23 other times but been unable to catch you (maybe he couldn't get your plate number?), he tries it on throwing everything he can think of at you, you DON"T get a green sticker/ticket for your plate, and you're bleating?

good one.

No need to ride like a dick to break the law.

The law is an arse, and makes the safest place to ride splitting illegal but the more dangerous zone is sweet as! Go the law makers !

I attach article 4a as my evidence.
<img src=http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=98414&stc=1&d=1213679584>

Red rider with lots of space either side = illegal rider being a dick
Blue rider with half a gnats whisker to his left = legal safe rider

[Max Preload]

have you got a link as to where one could find it?

I found this one (http://tinyurl.com/5jf5ze) but it doesn't relate to NZ although it the same page #59. And it's a 90 deg included angle, not 45 deg.

[quallman1234]

Wheelie past the cop next time?

[vifferman]

Or just bend the plate... although they might nit-pick on the 'damaged' clause...
That would be the most sensible (simplest) course of action. As long as the bent bit is above the numbers, it would be very nit-picky to bitch about it.

[HRT]

As nodrog said, why is everyone going on about this being a warrant issue? You don't need a number plate to get a warrant. You can screw it to your roof if you want and it wont be a warrant issue.

If thats the factory place to mount it and its clearly visible as per the requirements for a number plate then leave it. If it was mine I wouldn't want to be bending bits

[Max Preload]

Get yourself a copy of the Motorcycle riders' handbook. P59 gives all the legal requirements.
Plate must be able to be seen and read clearly within a 45 degree arc of the motorcycle's centre line at a distance of at least 20 metres.
Not hidden by anything, such as registration plate label holder.
Clearly readable, not dirty or damaged.
Free of any characteristics that would prevent the detection of a traffic offence.
Must have a light to ensure it is clearly visible at night.
It is an offence to alter a number plate in any way.
Use a number plate cover that is not flat, clear and untinted.
Have an obscured number plate.
If the bike fulfils all these requirements carry a copy of the handbook ready for the next time you are stopped by an over zealous "crime prevention officer"


www.nysdmv.com/mcmanual/mcmanual.htm

I'm pretty sure that won't help since it's nothing to do with NZ regulations.

[popelli]

did you actually get a ticket?

if not why worry

if you got a ticket and have a case go to court and defend it

I got a ticket years ago, went to court and the cops withdrew all evidence for the prosecution in order to prevent me defending myself

They knew they were about to lose their case and didn't want any case law of people successfully defending themselves agansts tickets for illegal plates

[forkoil]

45 degrees dude- not 90
For a cage that means for example -walk 6 paces parralel to the back of a car then 3 paces back away from it-thatll give ya 45 degrees
Ahhh, no it wont Frosty, your school geometry letting you down, 6 paces parallel to the back of the car then 6 paces back away from it, will give you 45 degrees, isosceles triangle, equal sides :)

[marty]

did you actually get a ticket?

if not why worry

if you got a ticket and have a case go to court and defend it

I got a ticket years ago, went to court and the cops withdrew all evidence for the prosecution in order to prevent me defending myself

They knew they were about to lose their case and didn't want any case law of people successfully defending themselves agansts tickets for illegal plates

really? if you know so much, you obviously know how case law is created. please enlighten us.......

[Max Preload]

As long as the bent bit is above the numbers, it would be very nit-picky to bitch about it.

And you would actually consider the Auckland highway patrol above this behaviour... good luck with that!


Ahhh, no it wont Frosty, your school geometry letting you down, 6 paces parallel to the back of the car then 6 paces back away from it, will give you 45 degrees, isosceles triangle, equal sides :)

But to clarify (pointlessly, I might add, given it's not even a NZ publication, he was close - not wanting to get into the minute details of the fact the method given of 6 x 3 paces actually gives 26.6 degrees... SOHCAHTOA and all that) he was assuming, as was I, that the ambiguous wording was referring to an included angle of 45 degrees (22.5 degrees either side of the centreline) whereas it seems from the diagram it was actually an included angle of 90 deg equispaced on the motorcycle centreline, which is 45 degrees either side or 6 x 6 paces. Still an isoceles triangle but also a right-angle triangle.

[Max Preload]

45 degrees dude- not 90
For a cage that means for example -walk 6 paces parralel to the back of a car then 3 paces back away from it-thatll give ya 45 degrees
best way to check the visibilit of your plate.
take a normal kitchen or office chair.
again take 10 paces sideways from your bike then 5 backwards.
put the office chair down on that spot.
Sit on the chair--can ya read your number plate ?

Actually, now I re-read that, it's completely wrong! :lol: :done:

[eliot-ness]

I'm pretty sure that won't help since it's nothing to do with NZ regulations.

:argh: You're right. Googled NZ manual and assumed that was it.

[Ixion]

Just for the hell of it.

here is the law.


Transport (Vehicle Registration and Licensing) Notice 1995 (SR 1995/136)

6 Affixing of registration plates (other than trade plates)



Registration plates issued for a motor vehicle shall be displayed as follows:


(a) In the case of a motor vehicle other than a motor vehicle of any of the kinds specified in paragraph (b) of this clause, one plate shall be displayed on the front of the vehicle and one plate shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle, and both plates shall be in an upright position and so displayed that every letter, figure, and distinguishing mark on the plate is easily visible:


(b) in the case of any motor cycle, moped, tractor, or trailer, one plate shall be displayed on the rear of the vehicle in an upright position and so displayed that every letter, figure, and distinguishing mark on the plate is easily visible.


No 45 degreeses or whatever. Just upright and easily visible.

[Max Preload]

Just for the hell of it.

here is the law.

No 45 degreeses or whatever. Just upright and easily visible.

I was just about to go looking for that - you saved me the trouble.

It doesn't mention that it has to be rear facing either... just that it must be mounted on the rear. Anything rear of the geometric middle could be considered the rear.

[sAsLEX]

Just for the hell of it.

here is the law.


No 45 degreeses or whatever. Just upright and easily visible.

So with the the letters facing up?

Still ambiguous as it does not define upright or(letters could be facing the sky) where it shall be clearly visible from.

[CookMySock]

So, cops won this round...
grr fuck them ay!!

FUCK THEM UP THE ARSE!!! :angry2::angry2::angry2::angry2:

Oh, scuse.. :whistle: Just having a moment there..

DB

[rudolph]

They are a bunch of homos

[Boob Johnson]

Thats quite a read. So to sum it all up for the young players, Morcs didn't get a ticket or green slipped for the plate, that was just another thing for the cop to have a go at him about. And why? Simple, because he was riding a lil too hard & thats what attracted the attention in the first place. I would imagine that if he (the 5....0) thought he could get away with fining you he would of, from your angle on things (no pun intended) he was pissed at you, so based on that I wouldn't change a thing..........




unless of course you want him & his colleges to pick on you from now on ;-)

[toebug]

Go here for all your rules and regs.

http://landtransport.govt.nz/certifiers/virm-in-service/index.html#motorcycles

[HRT]

Its Not A Warrant Thing!

[westie]

Lol there really are some geeks/martys sorry martyrs on here.

Sounds like in ixions post the plate just needs to be clearly seen which of course means fuck all cos the nice porice man can say what he likes in that regard. Yep gay.

Morcs
Thats twice in one week you've almost lost your licence you've had for almost as many weeks. Lol

Whens the next chance coming up?

[Max Preload]

Go here for all your rules and regs.

http://landtransport.govt.nz/certifiers/virm-in-service/index.html#motorcycles

That's just the VIRM and has nothing about registration plates.

[AllanB]

Ah why not just take it as a warning and bend the bracket. From what I can see of it this should be easy - even 10-15 degrees down will make a big difference.
90 degrees is crap as stock mounts are rarely that (HD the exception on most models).

Face it if you ride like a 'loon' and get caught then the next step is usually based on your attitude - if you suck it in and quietly accept the fine they are less likely to give the bike a once over.

Concentrate your efforts on important things for a young man - like getting laid :whistle:

[sAsLEX]

Face it if you ride like a 'loon' and get caught then the next step is usually based on your attitude - if you suck it in and quietly accept the fine they are less likely to give the bike a once over.


I got pulled Sun night for a semi obscured plate, straight to his window license in hand, polite and answered his questions directly and honestly and after a wee radio check got sent on my way.

Going to have to replace my whole plate as it is about to snap off! Useless thing its only a month or three old and has a big crack between the two mounting holes

[Boob Johnson]

I got pulled Sun night for a semi obscured plate, straight to his window license in hand, polite and answered his questions directly and honestly and after a wee radio check got sent on my way.
Spot on mate :niceone:

If I had a $1 for everytime ive been pulled up over the years & NOT got a ticket when he/she could of then id have a shit load of coins. My dad knew from an early age I was into "things that go fast" etc & taught me to be polite & make their job easy if ever in possible trouble with the 5...0. It takes them by surprise as they are used to dealing with fuckwits, dont be that FW & you will find yourself with a lot less trouble. It goes as far as body language, the way you are speaking to them, just the general way you conduct yourself. Treat them with the respect they deserve & you will be surprised what happens.

I went to court 11 years ago for doing 170km/h on the open road & got let off with a warning, a fine LESS than the maximum instant fine in those days & all I had to do was re-sit the theory of my licence, no loss at all! That is almost unheard of from what I understand. Reason? Aside from the fact I chose the right time & place to do it served me well (apart from the cop comin the other way of course lol) & because I was very polite, all these things go back to the judge.

It's a game, play it smartly.

[Max Preload]

I went to court 11 years ago for doing 170km/h on the open road & got let off with a warning, a fine LESS than the maximum instant fine in those day... because I was very polite, all these things go back to the judge.

I've had one of them, but it was 180km/h and I was charged with "driving at what might be a dangerous speed". On a learners. On a 750. Two up. :wacko: Got off very lightly - the fine was less than the maximum instant infringement at the time too. I'm a little more reserved these days... just a little...

[kevin-chow]

Absolutely ludicrous.

This morning got pulled over for being a loon etc...

He wanted to put a green sticker on my bike and immediately deem it not road worthy because of the angle of my plate.

On my DRZ i have an edge tail light unit, its very nice, the plate is no where near an offensive angle - apparently has to be 90 degrees! He told me to bend it - it would block my exhaust, so he said offset it heaps to one side.

WTF.

now him and his mates on the NW are going to be keeping an eye out to make sure ive fixed it - do I have grounds to not change it? what is the official law on them?

attached are pics of the same bracket on a drz. mine is no different.

Lol wait until they see my plate!

[barty5]

just bend the plate if the bracket wont

[Fub@r]

Absolutely ludicrous.

This morning got pulled over for being a loon etc...

He wanted to put a green sticker on my bike and immediately deem it not road worthy because of the angle of my plate.

On my DRZ i have an edge tail light unit, its very nice, the plate is no where near an offensive angle - apparently has to be 90 degrees! He told me to bend it - it would block my exhaust, so he said offset it heaps to one side.

WTF.

now him and his mates on the NW are going to be keeping an eye out to make sure ive fixed it - do I have grounds to not change it? what is the official law on them?

attached are pics of the same bracket on a drz. mine is no different.

I'm a bit late on this one but sounds like you got pulled by the same KB'er copper that got me last Tuesday night.

Result was a $150 fine for not adequately indicating my lane changes, apparently running the indicator whilst splitting is not allowed.

Also I'm meant to be greatful I wasn't ticketed for "slipping behind an ambo going through the traffic" even though I wasn't, Last place I want to be on the motorway is slipping along behind a ambo with its lights running having cars swerve back in to the lanes in case someone goes past them.

Also I was to be greatful I didn't get a ticket for my number plate not being 90 deg to the road surface, so I gave it a slight nudge to make it more vertical, to only be told my bike can't be up to warrant standard seeing I could nudge it.

Then I'm meant to be greatful I didn't get a ticket for nipping the two top corners of my number plate off so my indicators were more visible, as tampering with your plate is a ticketable offense. But slightly obscured indicators isn't?

I was also meant to be greatful that he wasn't going to put a pink sticker on my bike and have it towed away.

The one thing I'm truely grateful for out of this entire incident is the fact I wasn't crushed by the Nissan Patrol that swerved towards me to make way for said police officer to come along beside the barrier to pull me over!!!!!!!!!!! Dopey Nissan Patrol driver didn't notice me on the inside splitting but noticed the red and blue disco's on the cop!

I was not impressed to say the least, and wasn't going to mention the ticket seeing the cop was a KB'er but sounds like people need to look out as bikes seem to be flavor of the month

[popelli]

really? if you know so much, you obviously know how case law is created. please enlighten us.......

case law is basically that any judgement made by a judge is binding on all other judges given the same set of circumstances - untill over turned by another judges decision or by a later statute law passed by the govt


As for the case that was thrown out of court details as follows:

crn # 4004056614

infringement notice # 776557

look it up in the court records if you don't believe me

[Chickenlegs]

Some of you people are over PC. We are bikers and are supposed to be rebelious. Why start obeying the law now...

If the copper in Fubars post is indeed a KB'er, he's an absolute Fuckwit! He would probably be a boring codger too, since anything other than original would be against the law. Also, he's probably only ever had sex in the missionary position, since anything other than that, would be way too extreme for his narrow-minded brain to comprehend.

I don't have anything against cops, when they have good cause and it's safety related. Otherwise, it's just revenue gathering...

[limbimtimwim]

That looks a lot closer to 45 degrees to me. Which is a pretty big angle. Put the standard plate holder back on.The OE holder is bullshit. I broke two. I didn't even crash for the second one, all I did was ride it off on gravel.

[westie]

Ah why not just take it as a warning and bend the bracket. From what I can see of it this should be easy - even 10-15 degrees down will make a big difference.
90 degrees is crap as stock mounts are rarely that (HD the exception on most models).

Face it if you ride like a 'loon' and get caught then the next step is usually based on your attitude - if you suck it in and quietly accept the fine they are less likely to give the bike a once over.

Concentrate your efforts on important things for a young man - like getting laid :whistle:

Thats the reason why cops think they can get away with bogus tickets. Cos no ones gonna complain or fight it.
Fight it morcs

[CookMySock]

KB'er copper Who was this ? KB nick ?

DB

[AllanB]

You miss my point sir. If you ride like an ass then act like one when pulled over you can expect to get it all thrown at you.
Grow up, suck it in and accept the original incident with visible and audible remorse and that is most likely the only thing you'll be charged for. If you disagree with that one then write your letters to the appropriate organization.

As far as the earlier comment that they are targeting bikes - why not face it - the majority of us ride well beyond the law - lane splitting, speeding, loud pipes etc. If it was a bunch of kids in RX's behaving the same you'd all be bitching about them.........

[Fub@r]

Who was this ? KB nick ?



I'm not in to name and shame, he's doing his job.

My main gripe about all this is now I don't know whether I can or can't split as what I was doing is no different to any other day of the week for the last 2.5 yrs. I've had cops wave me past, they never turn a head and yet that day I was doing everything wrong and here's a ticket for your troubles.

Anyone that knows me or has ridden with me will know the one thing I am not is a hoon on a bike.

And thanks to the bikes that went past whilst I was getting my ticket (doing exactly what I had been doing) for the nobs and revving of engines for support :)

[Tank]

Some of you people are over PC. We are bikers and are supposed to be rebelious. Why start obeying the law now...


TUI Moment!!!

Chickenlegs - on this forum there are more IT nerds than you can shake a stick at.

Rebellious to some folk on here is typing in all caps.

Of the 4zillion users - I doubt that there are any "Biker 1%'ers".

1%'ers dont log on to the Internet to moan about cops. 1%'ers go to their house, shag the cops daughter and burn the house down as he's leaving.

[Morcs]

I'm not in to name and shame, he's doing his job.

My main gripe about all this is now I don't know whether I can or can't split as what I was doing is no different to any other day of the week for the last 2.5 yrs. I've had cops wave me past, they never turn a head and yet that day I was doing everything wrong and here's a ticket for your troubles.

Anyone that knows me or has ridden with me will know the one thing I am not is a hoon on a bike.

And thanks to the bikes that went past whilst I was getting my ticket (doing exactly what I had been doing) for the nobs and revving of engines for support :)

Officer number was AK87. not sure he was a biker, but kept mentioning his two biker police colleagues.

[nodrog]

.... on this forum there are more IT nerds than you can shake a stick at...

IT Nerds can be rebels too ....

[Tank]

IT Nerds can be rebels too ....

OMG - I want one - sooooooo much!

[Max Preload]

Result was a $150 fine for not adequately indicating my lane changes, apparently running the indicator whilst splitting is not allowed.

As I understand, so long as you're passing vehicles on their right while remaining wholely within the same lane, you should have your right indicator going. I don't know how you're supposed to actually do that though, since NZ drivers hug the right side of their lanes.

[Fub@r]

As I understand, so long as you're passing vehicles on their right while remaining wholely within the same lane, you should have your right indicator going. I don't know how you're supposed to actually do that though, since NZ drivers hug the right side of their lanes.

As I pointed out to him was isn't it better I concentrate on the dorks in cars than pissing around with my indicators. The indicator is on to add to my visibility. And those that run with hazard lights going is apparently an even bigger no-no

[vifferman]

NZ drivers hug the right side of their lanes.
WTF's up widdat? And where the heck has the spudwhat emotinerdicon gorn?

[Morcs]

WTF's up widdat? And where the heck has the spudwhat emotinerdicon gorn?

Whenever ive been ticked off for lane splitting (wrong side of the line) ive thought:

Why arent all the cars ticketing with failing to stay left.
and my favourite - to all cars in the morning - impeding the flow of traffic.

All I cop has to do is ticket 5 random cars per day for failing to stay left, and eventually, theyll all be staying left :D

[Tank]

Nope. thought I had. turns out I had 50 demerits less than I thought.
Riding a 400 on a restricted - I sit my full next wednesday, so hopefully be able to get that revoked.

So did you pass your test yesterday - or did you manage to run up enough demerits sitting your test that they took the one you had already off you?

[Morcs]

test is next wednesday.

[Max Preload]

Whenever ive been ticked off for lane splitting (wrong side of the line) ive thought:

Why arent all the cars ticketing with failing to stay left.
and my favourite - to all cars in the morning - impeding the flow of traffic.

All I cop has to do is ticket 5 random cars per day for failing to stay left, and eventually, theyll all be staying left :D

They don't have to stay left - just remain wholely within their lane. Besides, it would upset the sensibilities of the majority.

[Owl]

Mine is probably not too different to yours Morcs. I was a little concerned about it, but I've had no agro!

[westie]

Mine is probably not too different to yours Morcs. I was a little concerned about it, but I've had no agro!

Wow your plate is on the mega angle compared to some of the guys I know who have been fined for plate issues

[Dodger]

Ahhh! I get it now, the plate is at that angle so when you are doing a wheelie down the road it's at a perfect 90 degrees :devil2:

[Owl]

Wow your plate is on the mega angle compared to some of the guys I know who have been fined for plate issues

It had less angle when I first made it, but a sever suspension test revealed it would touch the tyre so I gave it more angle. I forgot to add room for the reflector:Oops:, but that has since been rectified and that sits at a nice angle below the plate. If I get pinged, I'll get more plate and make another.