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Swoop
24th June 2008, 12:06
Hitcher, were you talking about this a little while back?

Remember carless days? (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feature/story.cfm?c_id=1500966&objectid=10517835)

Many New Zealanders feeling the pinch of fuel prices will recall the Government's response to oil scares in the late 1970s. For those too young to remember, the Q&A below provides the details - and asks if it could happen again

What caused it?

The second oil crisis in 1979 occurred following the revolution in Iran. Widespread panic and speculation ensued.

By 1980, oil production in Iran and Iraq had noticeably declined. Over-production by Opec countries led to a decline in oil prices during the mid 1980s.

What was it?

Carless days were introduced on July 30, 1979 in a plan to stabilise a struggling economy.

Anyone who owned a petrol-powered vehicle less than 4,400lbs - excluding motorcycles - had to designate one day of the week on which they would not operate the vehicle.

Other restrictions included the reduction of the open-road speed limit from 100 km/h to 80 km/h and limits on the operating hours of garages and service stations.

Vehicles displayed coloured stickers on the windscreens that indicated which day of week the vehicle was not to be operated.

Did it apply to everyone?

Exemption stickers were issued to those who had urgent business that might require use of a vehicle on any day of the week.

With an exemption you still had a carless day and were supposed to use the vehicle for the specified business purpose only.

Fines were given to those who didn't observe their designated carless day: Thursday being the most common. There was an immediate problem though as two car households had an obvious advantage when they could choose to continue driving seven days a week.

Those who lived in the country were exempt as it was presumed there was no public transport available for them.

How long did it last?

The initiative folded after 12 months amid reports of black market exemption stickers and imitations, leaving the scheme in a shambles.

Could it happen again?

Current oil prices reflect an imbalance between supply and demand, with no short-term prospect of a relief.

Higher demand from developing countries and oil producers are off-setting the lower demand of wealthy countries.

Car-free days may be a more likely option as fuel prices lead people to look for cheaper alternatives.

Is anyone asking for carless days now?

The informal World Car Free Days Consortium was formed in 1995 to promote car-free days.

Initiatives were already established in parts of Iceland, The United Kingdom and France.

In 2000, the European Commission established a Europe-wide initiative called 'In town, without my car'. The main idea behind the campaign was to encourage people to use alternative forms of transport for a day and raise awareness of what is at stake in terms of long term mobility and the risks connected with pollution.

By 2004, more than 40 countries were participating in the event.

What about in NZ?

A 2005 consultant's report for the Economic Development Ministry looked at an oil crunch and how the country could cope.

Current measures, such as cutting discretionary trips, combined with mandatory speed limit reductions, could provide consumption savings of 7 per cent.

Compulsory restrictions on car use - such as the return to carless days - could provide another 4 per cent to 5 per cent.

Trouser
24th June 2008, 12:14
It's the end of the world as we know it.

I, for one, won't be taking any notice of carless days if they are some how forced upon us. Might just throw a few boxes of polystyrene cups in the bin in protest and not recycle my cardboard. So there.

Forest
24th June 2008, 12:34
The present situation is completely different from the 1970s.

In the 1970s there was a physical shortage of oil. So carless days were introduced to ration what was a genuinely scarce commodity.

Today there is no shortage of oil ... in fact there is plenty of oil provided that motorists are prepared to pay a higher price for it.

merv
24th June 2008, 12:47
The reduced speed limit on the open road came in with the first "crisis" of '74 about the time we went metric. Getting tickets for doing about 99 used to piss me off.

These days the bureaucrats have reduced the speeds on so many roads and our cars are all so more fuel efficient we must be doing on average way more kms/litre than the Holden Kingswoods of the era were. My Hillman Hunter wasn't thirsty unless you pushed it flat out, but our cars of today just average better with EFI whether you go fast or slow.

Carless days - Mrs needed her car all week so she had a Saturday sticker and I had Tuesday sticker so we used my car in the weekend. No sweat. Now we have three cars and five bikes so I guess we won't worry if it comes in again.

Disco Dan
24th June 2008, 12:49
Good thing I dont own a car then.

scumdog
24th June 2008, 12:57
Had exemptions on EVERYTHING!!

But the 'no sale of petrol from 7pm Friday to 7am Monday' did my head in.

YOU try running a 429 cubic inch (7 litre) engine for a whole weekend on a 10 gallon (45litres) petrol tank when around town you were getting 10 miles per gallon.

merv
24th June 2008, 13:03
Yeah life was tough scummy - guess you just carried spare gas in cans bigger than ours?

sels1
24th June 2008, 13:20
My work vans carless day was Sunday. My girlfriend (now wife) used to drive us in her mums car when it was too wet for the bike.

vifferman
24th June 2008, 13:39
But the 'no sale of petrol from 7pm Friday to 7am Monday' did my head in.
Yeeess.... It was a bit of a nuisance.

We did a tour of the Sarf Oilund during the Carlos Daze period. Nearly fell asleep on the road driving on the plains near Twizel (after a 14-hour bus'n'ferry trip) in a Kingswood wagon, trying to keep the speed down to save gas coz it was Saturday. I was driving at 70km/h or so, while the other passengers were asleep.
On the way back, drove from Haast to Picton in a day, while sightseeing on the way, yet trying to make it to Picton before 7PM to buy some gas. (So we left at 5:30 AM, then alternated between having leisurely stops, and driving at illegal speeds to make up time. We nearly asphyxiated on the trip due to the rusty gas cans in the back springing a leak...

Grub
24th June 2008, 14:36
We were rallying the White Elephant back then - right when you couldn't buy gas on the weekends.

The expression on the Rotorua motel's housekeepers face was priceless when she entered the room and saw the 10 x 5 litre tins of petrol stacked up in the wardrobe.

Mind you it did pong a bit ... we had to open all the windows in the middle of winter to be able to sleep.

Toaster
24th June 2008, 14:43
Car-less days.... hmmm living rural with little chance of carpooling.... no public transport available..... hmmmmm........ its a long walk to the office from here at 45km each way.

Dumbass idea.

SPman
24th June 2008, 14:44
Had exemptions on EVERYTHING!!

But the 'no sale of petrol from 7pm Friday to 7am Monday' did my head in.

YOU try running a 429 cubic inch (7 litre) engine for a whole weekend on a 10 gallon (45litres) petrol tank when around town you were getting 10 miles per gallon.
Or try to get from Grimvercargill to Dunedin with a fully laden bike,2 up, and have gas to get around the town... trying to refuel as close to where you wanted to go and doing it by midday Saturday was always fun......

Motu
24th June 2008, 18:30
Two stickers and Gladwrap was our method...worked for rego stickers too.We used to do a fuel dump on the way out on a ride so we could get home again.There were power cuts in the mid '70's too - I remember riding around Auckland city in darkness.

So what is there to bleat about in this day and age?

duckonin
24th June 2008, 18:42
Car-less days.... hmmm living rural with little chance of carpooling.... no public transport available..... hmmmmm........ its a long walk to the office from here at 45km each way.

Dumbass idea.

You may go though a few shoes Toaster but after a month you would be a fit buggar..:laugh:

Hitcher
24th June 2008, 18:53
I am still to locate a definitive source that identifies what colour sticker corresponded to which day of the week.

Drum
24th June 2008, 18:58
Carless days didn't work last time and won't work this time.
Chances of such a scheme being adopted in an election year? Nil.

icekiwi
24th June 2008, 18:58
I am still to locate a definitive source that identifies what colour sticker corresponded to which day of the week.

If i recall orange was weds...
Used to be shitting myself driving to work on a weds as a 15yr old ....lol

BiK3RChiK
24th June 2008, 19:24
Our carless day was Monday with a green sticker from memory. We lived in the country though, but we still had to comply as far as I'm aware (I was a child then) but I remember it being a ridiculous scheme, which most people got around some how or other.

fridayflash
24th June 2008, 20:06
ive still got a green 'monday' sticker on my '38 chev,which dad drove to the
freezing works in those days.
a bit off topic but for whatever reason, carless days reminds me of
'the knobs' song "culture" complete with fake muldoon laughs in the background etc

AllanB
24th June 2008, 20:30
The thing with car-less days way back then was that most families only had one car.

With two cars and a motorcycle it would be a total waste of time in my family.

What I find interesting in NZ is that little was learned from that experience - we still carry limited stocks of petrol in NZ - I read somewhere a while back that if deliveries to NZ stopped it is only a matter of weeks until the country is dry. We should be stockpiling the stuff like China.

If the government is actually interested in the public conserving fuel (and really why should they be - its a hell of a tax earner) they could easily offer reduced rego costs or tax rebates on fuel efficient vehicles and higher rates on gas guzzlers. This current government would probably just add a purchase or sales tax to the inefficient ones.

I say get out on your bikes and give that throttle a good twist while it is still affordable :ride:

icekiwi
24th June 2008, 21:16
I say get out on your bikes and give that throttle a good twist while it is still affordable :ride:[/QUOTE]

Did that now i'm waiting for them to come an pick up that plastic thingy that sez i'm aloud to drive/ride for 3 munts so guess i bet the price hike :banana::banana:

Laava
24th June 2008, 21:22
My mate Sam used to drive to school in his 59 Velox with an arm draped out, and around, over the bottom of the screen where his thurs sticker was. But he was saving petrol! Don't think he ever got the old bitch to fire on more than 3 cyl!

scumdog
25th June 2008, 00:00
My mate Sam used to drive to school in his 59 Velox with an arm draped out, and around, over the bottom of the screen where his thurs sticker was. But he was saving petrol! Don't think he ever got the old bitch to fire on more than 3 cyl!


Sam musta beeen built like a spider-monkey 'cos the stickers were in the middle of the screen.

(Or SHOULD have been)

Laava
25th June 2008, 08:09
Sam musta beeen built like a spider-monkey 'cos the stickers were in the middle of the screen.

(Or SHOULD have been)
You're right! He was indeed built like a spider monkey but bottom RHS of the screen it was. He was the sort of guy the cops felt sorry for and sent on his way. Know what I mean? Sure you do!