It's not only the petrol - Cost of registrations going up next week...

[Qkchk]

As per NZ Herald article

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10518419


Motorists face yet another petrol price rise, as well as hefty vehicle registration fee increases from next week, to cover spiralling costs of treating road-crash victims.

The Automobile Association, although pleased accident compensation premium increases for owners of petrol vehicles will be split equally between fuel consumption and registration fees, is upset at the size of the rises.

Oil companies say they will have to pass to customers an increase of 2.01c on the existing petrol levy, to 9.34c a litre plus GST , although it is unclear whether they will all move as soon as new Accident Compensation Corporation fees come into force on Tuesday.

The levy rise will be on top of a hike of $28.26 - to $211.48 - to annual registration fees for petrol cars.

Because there is no accident levy on diesel or alternative fuels, owners of non-petrol cars face a steeper increase of $55.23 in their registration fees - of almost 25 per cent, to $336.69.

Owners of petrol motorcycles will have to pay $42.93 more to register their machines, on top of the fuel levy, because of their higher risk of injury on the roads. The Bikers' Rights Organisation says this is unfair, as it believes most serious injuries to motorcyclists are caused by collisions with heavier vehicles.

AdvertisementRegistration fees for six to 12 tonne diesel trucks will rise by $58.38 to $417.38.

The accident corporation says the levy rises are necessary to cover rising treatment costs for increasing numbers of victims who survive crashes but are left with serious injuries.

It expects the average cost of treating a car crash victim with moderate or serious injuries to rise from $44,189 to more than $50,000 this year.

ACC Minister Maryan Street said last night the cost could exceed $20 million for the remaining lives of people left tetraplegic from road crashes, seven of whom were in the corporation's care, including two whose injuries occurred this year.

"These claims can require more than 30 years assistance from ACC so small changes in costs multiplied by 30 years of care can add a substantial amount to the cost of claims that must be collected in the levies," she said.

"And it is all collected at once in the year of the accident."

But the AA says a corporation target of raising enough money by 2014 to pay off old accident claims is too ambitious, as that will account for 71 per cent of next week's levy rises.

"The current approach causes great inequity between generations, with one generational group bearing both the costs for the past and the future," it said in a submission to the corporation.

AA spokesman Mike Noon said although his organisation supported shifting more of the total accident levy over time to fuel prices, to make people driving greater distances pay for the extra risk involved, it was pleased the corporation had agreed to an even split for the latest increase for petrol vehicles. Raising the petrol levy alone would have increased pump prices by 4c, compounding current hardship.

ACC COSTS

PETROL CARS
* Levy rise - 2.01c a litre + GST.
* Annual registration fee - to rise from $183.22 to $211.48 (GST inclusive)

DIESEL AND OTHER NON-PETROL
* No fuel levy paid
* Annual registration fee - to rise from $281.46 to $336.69 (GST inclusive)

[fergie]

Geez! i'm glad i just registered my diesel and my bike in the last month!

[mowgli]

Owners of petrol motorcycles will have to pay $42.93 more to register their machines, on top of the fuel levy, because of their higher risk of injury on the roads. The Bikers' Rights Organisation says this is unfair, as it believes most serious injuries to motorcyclists are caused by collisions with heavier vehicles.
That's ludicrous! Bike crash = 1-2 injured. Car crash = 1-5 injured. We may be more vulnerable but I'd be surprised if there were more biker injuries than car injuries. So how long until they apply ACC levies to the other risky things we do? Paragliding, kite surfing, off roading, mountain biking, RUGBY..... We're being unfairly singled out here.

[portokiwi]

:shit: my bike rego is due next month.... and i have a DIESEL 4WD. Diesel is allmost the same price as petrol now yet you still pay road chages and your rego is over $100.00 more.

[Whynot]

:shit: my bike rego is due next month.... and i have a DIESEL 4WD. Diesel is allmost the same price as petrol now yet you still pay road chages and your rego is over $100.00 more.

so sell it then ....

[RC1]

thats sweet just got 3mnth rego for bike last week and sold it yesterday

[Pumba]

Looks like I am going to get a 12 month rego on the ute today.

[Devil]

Rego's for the car and one of the bikes came in recently.
$185 for the car, $267 for the bike. Looking in the details, ACC levy for car was $100, for bike was $200.

Cunts.

[Guided_monkey]

And yet again we get punished financially for other road users errors.....

:angry:

[unrealone]

This sucks big time. As Monkey said :(

[firefighter]

"in 2007 motorcyclists and pillions accounted for 10 per cent of all road fatalities", so why the Fu*k should we pay more if we only make up 10%??

only 10% of the crash fatalities.......which ARE caused mostly from cages etc, so shouldn't their levvys pay for that?

[CB ARGH]

This aint good... That adds another $50 bucks to my bill of getting the MC22 on the road. Another $50 not in the pocket for purchasing protective gear.

BACTARDS. :no:

[firefighter]

just bought another 6 months........$115 seems expensive enough!

[HornetBoy]

Fark waiting till next week when my rego runs out then ,im getting done today :gob:

I cant believe how much of an increase that is ,absolutely crazy :angry:

When will it stop!!!!!!!!

[MyGSXF]

utter utter utter BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bash:

[Swoop]

If you don't have a rego or warrant, it makes little difference.

The temptation grows...

[Mr Merde]

Mind over Matter

Kiwi Apathy keeps allows governments and agencies to walk all over the citizenry

When NZ does rise from its apathy they get ignored anyway

[Insanity_rules]

Mind over Matter

Kiwi Apathy keeps allows governments and agencies to walk all over the citizenry

When NZ does rise from its apathy they get ignored anyway

I agree but its worth a try anyway. Anyone got any bright ideas on how to protest this?

[avgas]

hopefully road user ta........oppps i mean speeding tickets, will get cheaper

[The Pastor]

Inflation wouldnt be so bad if wages keept up with it :P

[portokiwi]

Inflation wouldnt be so bad if wages keept up with it :P

:laugh: Has that ever happend in our life time?????
I have more chances of winning lotto three times in a row

[Qkchk]

Owners of petrol motorcycles....

So what if they are diesel? :lol:

[pritch]

So what if they are diesel? :lol:

Or hybrids?

[BMW_RACER]

You should all shut up and stop bitching. Everyone is paying more.

[scracha]

What a crock of $hit.
Fuck the cheesecutter campaign. Isn't it time we organised a protest ride on some of the countries busiest roads about this? Perhaps a few hundred bikes filling up all the car parking spaces, pulling away from junctions very slowly and going around roundabouts a few dozen times would get some recognition that ACC are merely picking on a minority group.

[BMW_RACER]

I think your more likely to just piss off other motorists.

You all moan about how bad people are in cars now, imagine what it would be like if you went of a protest ride getting in the way of all the angry car drivers.... theres some physchos out there.

[Swoop]

You should all shut up and stop bitching. Everyone is paying more.
Just like the European countries that are organising protests.

Kiwi mentality prevents objecting. Just bend over and allow the rodgering to continue.

[BMW_RACER]

You think a protest over petrol and registration costs is going to make a difference?

[Swoop]

Strange that it is having that effect overseas.

[BMW_RACER]

Link plz...[]..

[musicman]

I think your more likely to just piss off other motorists.

You all moan about how bad people are in cars now, imagine what it would be like if you went of a protest ride getting in the way of all the angry car drivers.... theres some physchos out there.

You mean like this?

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[BMW_RACER]

Yeah, something like that.

[Cajun]

there was a protest run done a few years ago in NZ, i went to it, http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=7 seening if i can find out more infomation about it

800 bikes met at wellington and ride on to parliment grounds.

To protest them talking about raising the acc levey on bikes up to silly figures like $600

[BMW_RACER]

Cajun, do you happen to be part of the Killer beez?

[Cajun]

Cajun, do you happen to be part of the Killer beez?

yes i am there new leader now, the other knob got himself arrest.

if you didn't know that was a piss take.

[TimeOut]

Fark waiting till next week when my rego runs out then ,im getting done today :gob:

I don't think that'll help, I was told that if you do the rego early you'll still be charged the new rate:beer:

[dipshit]

"in 2007 motorcyclists and pillions accounted for 10 per cent of all road fatalities", so why the Fu*k should we pay more if we only make up 10%??

Because motorcycles only make up 2% of road users. Therefore they are disproportionately high in their injury rate and pay more ACC as a result.





only 10% of the crash fatalities.......which ARE caused mostly from cages etc, so shouldn't their levvys pay for that?

Bullshit. Stop listening to those BRONZ deck heads talking crap.

[ManDownUnder]

Perhaps a few hundred bikes filling up all the car parking spaces,

Now THAT - THAT I like!

Early start, out to the airport, one carpark each... or possibly a huge mall. Walk in and have a coffee for an hour or 4...

[dipshit]

You mean like this?

Or yet again another example of brainless motorcycle riders doing themselves no favours by riding way under the speed limit in the middle of the road at night. :weird:

If motorcyclist stopped whingeing and moaning about everybody else and paid a bit more attention to how they could ride more safely themselves, then it might actually make a difference.

[chrisso]

How much to register say a 1980 XS1100 in NZ-my rego is due here in NSW; My green slip CTP (compulsory third party insurance) is $688.Thats for a rider over 30, clean licence, no claims. NOT happy:angry2::angry2:

[Swoop]

Link plz...[]..
You obviously do not watch the news on tv.
(not that anything other than utter crap and thugby consitutes "news"...)

[BMW_RACER]

Even if I did watch the news, and there also happened to be somthing worth while watching, it will be thrown out of proportion by the media.

[mnkyboy]

Mind over Matter

They dont mind and we dont matter?

[Fub@r]

Bullshit. Stop listening to those BRONZ deck heads talking crap.

ACC statistics for last year were that 80% of ACC claims made by motorcylists were due to a car drivers negligence.

If you disagree how about you find something to back your comments up rather than just shooting people down

[Mr Merde]

They dont mind and we dont matter?

Dead right.

[firefighter]

I don't think that'll help, I was told that if you do the rego early you'll still be charged the new rate:beer:

I got mine about an hour ago at the old rate.

[SPman]

Rego for my Diesel Hiace in WA is just over $500/yr. The bike is about $200 I think. At least change of ownership is cheap in NZ - in WA they hit you with a "stamp duty" of 2.75% of the cost of the vehicle .....

[BMW_RACER]

Hey, whats up with the thread's tags? Are they automatically generated?

Cause I LOL'D in my pants.

[Qkchk]

Hey, whats up with the thread's tags? Are they automatically generated?

Cause I LOL'D in my pants.

Not automatic.

Guess it depends on the mood of the thread ...... :innocent:

[Crazy Steve]

Ha ha...Anyone wanna buy a pushbike..

21inch Mens Gaint Blouder Se Mountain bike..

Quich release everthing..Excellent cond.

Maybe used 12times...

Has small tear in back of seat.

Top speed 50kph....Down hill 65-70kph.

0 Litres of gas per 100km.

$0 for registration for ever !

$350...Will deliver for free within the Auckland or Hamilton area..

Crazy Steve..

0212523399　

[Qkchk]

Maybe used 12times...
You a lazy bugger or something?


Has small tear in back of seat.



Not going to ask about that one.......

[JimO]

I got mine about an hour ago at the old rate.

doubt it i did mine a few weeks ago and was charged the new rate from the date of the increase

[BMW_RACER]

I got one last friday morning and was charged the old rate.

[RC1]

doubt it i did mine a few weeks ago and was charged the new rate from the date of the increase

i got mine 2 days ago at old rate also :headbang:

[Renegade]

my mate who lives in oz reckons that his four cars, an impala,rx2 and two mitsi galants cost him $2k a year to register, and the bigger the cc the more ya pay.

il pay the $250 if i have to, but il put the bike on rego hold for 3 months of the year to get a little back at a time.

I havnt been stopped by the cops in 5 years so it continues to pay off!! the trick is not to be greedy and for a 6 month stretch.

[Deano]

I haven't read the whole thread but aren't ACC currently turning a considerable profit ?

[scorry]

Bloody ACC, just trying to get as much as they can out of who ever they can and usually that means us motorcyclists

[stevewederell]

B A S T A A A R R R R D S!!!!!:spanking::spanking::spanking:

[firefighter]

doubt it i did mine a few weeks ago and was charged the new rate from the date of the increase

maybe because I did it online? seriously have a look yourself, hell you really don't believe me i'll send ya a copy of the reciept!

[firefighter]

my mate who lives in oz reckons that his four cars, an impala,rx2 and two mitsi galants cost him $2k a year to register, and the bigger the cc the more ya pay.

il pay the $250 if i have to, but il put the bike on rego hold for 3 months of the year to get a little back at a time.

I havnt been stopped by the cops in 5 years so it continues to pay off!! the trick is not to be greedy and for a 6 month stretch.

yeah but doesn't include insurance over there?

[Dodger]

Ha ha...Anyone wanna buy a pushbike..

Keep parking it in that GSX-R Zone and it's going to get towed :)

[madandy]

I haven't read the whole thread but aren't ACC currently turning a considerable profit ?

I guess Labour need to fund these $500million treaty settlements somehow.

[Forest]

yeah but doesn't include insurance over there?

Yes. Registration in OZ includes compulsory third party insurance.

[Forest]

Or yet again another example of brainless motorcycle riders doing themselves no favours by riding way under the speed limit in the middle of the road at night. :weird:

If motorcyclist stopped whingeing and moaning about everybody else and paid a bit more attention to how they could ride more safely themselves, then it might actually make a difference.

That wasn't actually a protest ride.

The bikes were being filmed to make a TV commercial (which is why there were multiple cameras filming the riders).

[dipshit]

ACC statistics for last year were that 80% of ACC claims made by motorcylists were due to a car drivers negligence.

Have you seen these ACC stats for yourself or did someone from BRONZ tell you this?




If you disagree how about you find something to back your comments up rather than just shooting people down

It is all in here...
http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/NewPDFs/Motorcycle-Crash-Factsheet-July-07.pdf

52% of minor injuries were the fault of the rider.

60% of serious injuries were the fault of the rider.

75% of fatals were the fault of the rider.

The only statistics to ever come out that 80% of injuries was the fault of other road users, was when dealing with a small number of specific accidents in Auckland in one particular study.

Of course BRONZ picks up on this and always refers to "80% of ACC claims made by motorcylists were due to a car drivers negligence"... because in their political propaganda campaign, they want sympathy from the general car driving public. They don't want them to realise that motorcyclists are killing/injuring themselves through their own stupidity. BRONZ is about improving motorcycling's image and political rights. Bad press is the last thing they want.

Unfortunately motorcyclists buy into this crap as well and continue to blame everybody else instead of growing a brain themselves... and the carnage continues.

[Big Dave]

Bleatin' about it on the internet is obviously the solution.

[Cajun]

might might be me but the pie graph in that report says

41% - not rider responsible
7% - partial
52% - rider fault

the bar graph, only list what % of rider at fault crashes result in deaths/injurys

[arj127]

So how much does that make a motorcycle rego cost now???

Riding a bike these days is certainly not cheaper than driver a car, for instance:

my bike $77 mth insurance my car $40 mth insurance
bike reg $210? car reg $185?

is cheaper to run my commodore for a year than ride the bike everyday, but fuck it, i love bikes and can't give them up.

Shouldn't the powers that be actually be making it easier for bikers and try to lure people away from cars to try and free up the traffic jam bullshit that happens in Auckland (the one person per car crap that goes on). I can't figure out how these people think

[portokiwi]

[QUOTE=Cajun;1623736]might might be me but the pie graph in that report says

41% - not rider responsible
7% - partial
52% - rider fault

the bar graph, only list what % of rider at fault crashes result in deaths/injurys[/QUOTE:drool: mmmmmmmmmm pie.......:drool:

[munterk6]

If you don't have a rego or warrant, it makes little difference.

The temptation grows...

I reckon you are onto something there mate, If everyone didnt pay rego or get a wof it would make them sit up and take notice....if only a few have the balls to forego the reg and wof, they may slip under the radar for quite a while, then if they get fined its around the same outlay as reg and wof.
Its a numbers game I guess....anyone out there a gambler? maybe calculate the actual odds on this game?

[ACCSUX NOT COVERED]

FIRSTLY I MUST APPOLIGISE :::: FOR BEING MENTALL : YEA RIGHT
..SO PLEASE BEAR WIT ME...
YA GET THAT WHEN YA HIT HEAD ON BY A CAR..

I WAS hIT HEAD ON AT EQUAL TO A COMBINED SPEED OF 240 KMS PER HOUR ON MY HARLEY..
WELL SO THE POLICE report SAID...
FEW ..YEARS AGO NOW .. many actually .. but i don't remember how long ..
HIT HEAD ON
BY a DANGEROUS , SPEEDING NEGLIGENT CAR DRIVER..
ON MY SIDE OF THE ROAD.. He OVERTook A TRUCK.. AT NIGHT.. while i was in
the lane..

wont even bother to try and list damage..

NOT COVERED .. NO ACC COVER .. JUST FORCED ONTO AN INVALIDS BENIFIT....

ZERO .. WAGES NOT ..80 per cent as the acc act guarantees../ ZERO LUMP SUM..zero pain and suffering , zero loss of enjoyment.. / ZERO REHAB /

NOTHING ..
BUT DISCRIMINATING , HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATING ACC ACTS...
and a life long fight.. to get any rights from acc...


WHILE THE SCUM THAT HIT ME GETS FULL AUTOMATIC...ACC COVER FOR LIFE ,, OH YEA
AND HIS SCUM INSURANCE COMPANY...

AND THEY WANT ME TO PAY MORE..ACC LEVIES .TO COVER THE SCUM AND DRIVERS LIKE HIM .. THAT HIT ME ....
SO HE / THEY ... CAN KEEP DRIVING..

PS .. SPELLING MISTAKS ARE DICK HEAD DETECTORS...

================================================== ==============================

bUT HEY BMW REACER..BELOW ..

IS SHOWING . PERFECTLY DISPLAYING ...
EXACTLY THE SAME TYPE OF PERSONEL DISCRIMANATION, AND BULLSHIT ,AND SPIN .. TYPE OF BELIEFS.

THAT ACC USE TA DENY YA COVER..

INSTEAD OF THE FACTS..

SORRY YA CANT SPEEEEELLLLL . SO YA GET NO COVER..

OH I JUST DONT LIKE THE WAY YOU LOOK.. SO YA GET NO COVER..
OH YOU DIDNT EARN ENOGH TO BE COVERED..SO YA GET NO COVER.. BUT YA GOING TA HAVE TA PAY MORE TO COVER THE DICK HEADS..

hA HA ...A RICH MAN FULLY INSURED...HIT YA.. YOUR FUCKED ,, NO COVER..


Take an english lesson? sAYS...BMW_RACER
OR YA DONT DESERVE COVER ..
OR TA POST , OR TA PARTICAPATE...

YIP THE BULLSHIT OF SCUM...


TAKE YA HEAD OUT OF YA ARESE... sAYS ..ACCSUX


PS .. SPELLING MISTAKS ARE DICK HEAD DETECTORS...
WE ALL HAVE SPELLING CHECKORS...

Take an english lesson? sAYS BMW_RACER ..

YEA RIGHT..
IM TO BUSY PROTESTING ACC ..WHEN IM NOT IN PAIN...TO BOTHER WITH THAT CRAP..
ATTACK
YEA I NEED TO LEARN TO SPEELLLLLLLL..

BUT HEY WHEN I WENT UP TO AUCKLAND AND PROTESTED AT THE AUCKLAND UNIVERSTIY , A CELBRATION OF 40 YEARS OF ACC . YES THEY WERE CELEBRATING 40 YEARS OF RIIPING OFF THE VICTIM, 40 YEARS OF LAUNDERING VICTIMS COMPENSATION, TO A RAFT OF NON ACCIDENT VICTIMS.. 40 YEARS OF A MASSIVE DEPARTMENT, BULGING AT THE SEEMS ,WITH THOUSANDS OF OVER PAID SHEEP.. CELEBRATING THAT THEY ARE COVERED .
AND WE ARE NOT.....

HAD THE SAME TYPE OF DICK HEAD,,A LECTURER CUM OUT AND TELL ME MY SPEELING ON MY SIGN WAS WRONG.. I SAID YAE IT WAS, ON PURPOSE ,, ITS A DICK HEAD DETECTOR.. AND IT JUST DETECTED ONE..
BOY DID HE NOT LIKE THAT.. WANTED TO SMASH ME.YOU COULD SEE IT IN HIS EYS.. JUST LIKE MANY RICH MIDDLE CLASS WORKERS THAT HAV. ASSULTED ME SPAT ON ME. THROWN THINGS AT ME..WHILE I WAS PROTESTING ACC ..BUT HEY THIS BALLESS SHIT THOUGHT TWICE ABOUT IT.
WHEN HE LOOKED IN MY EYES AND REALIZED HIS BULLYING WAS NOT WORKING.. HE COULD GET HURT..
AND WALKED OF RANTING..

DICK HEAD...
YIP I EVEN GOT ASSULTED BY THE WIFE OF AN ACC WORKER WHILE PROTESTING THEM AT HOME..
BUT YES AS PER USUAL THE POLICE WILL DO NOTHING..

THEY ARE THE SAME BALLES CRAP..

HAVE BEEN ASSULTED THREE TIMES SINCE , HAD MY GLASSES SMASHED, ETC,, BUT STILL NO CHARGES , AGAINST THESE SCUM..
THEY WERE EDUCATED SO THEY ARE ALLOWED TA USE VIOLENCE..

[BMW_RACER]

I WAS hIT HEAD ON AT EQUAL TO A COMBINED SPEED OF 240 KMS PER HOUR ON MY HARLEY..
WELL SO THE POLICE report SAID...
FEW ..YEARS AGO NOW .. many actually .. but i don't remember how long ..
HIT HEAD ON
BY a DANGEROUS , SPEEDING NEGLIGENT CAR DRIVER..
ON MY SIDE OF THE ROAD.. He OVERTook A TRUCK.. AT NIGHT.. while i was in
the lane..

wont even bother to try and list damage..

NOT COVERED .. NO ACC COVER .. JUST FORCED ONTO AN INVALIDS BENIFIT....

ZERO .. WAGES NOT ..80 per cent as the acc act guarantees../ ZERO LUMP SUM..zero pain and suffering , zero loss of enjoyment.. / ZERO REHAB /

NOTHING ..
BUT DISCRIMINATING , HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATING ACC ACTS...
and a life long fight.. to get any rights from acc...


WHILE THE SCUM THAT HIT ME GETS FULL AUTOMATIC...ACC COVER FOR LIFE ,, OH YEA
AND HIS SCUM INSURANCE COMPANY...

AND THEY WANT ME TO PAY MORE..ACC LEVIES .TO COVER THE SCUM AND DRIVERS LIKE HIM .. THAT HIT ME ....
SO HE / THEY ... CAN KEEP DRIVING..


Take an english lesson?

[Trouser]

Just this minute bought 12 months rego for $267 on the website.

[scracha]

Unfortunately motorcyclists buy into this crap as well and continue to blame everybody else instead of growing a brain themselves... and the carnage continues.
Dipshit, I'm not disagreeing with anything you're writing. The way a lot of motorcyclists ride is just plain stupid and selfish. What I take issue with is the fact that ACC is supposed to be "blameless" and that's why peeps who climb mountains in T-shirts or horse riders who don't wear helmets get cover. We shouldn't have to pay these rates because we happen to ride motorcycles. Off road riders, quad bikers and as a few folk have said, rugby players don't pay so why should we? If ACC on vehicles were based on perceived risk then truck drivers (much larger mileage) and young male drivers should have higher rates.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of motorcyclists have at least car and therefore already pay ACC. Many motorcyclists also have multiple motorcycles. To argue that it's fair that they pay ACC $200(ish) a year for a motorcycle that may go out just a handful of times a year is ridiculous.

[dwnundabkr]

faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk:argue:

[twotyred]

Strange that it is having that effect overseas.

no compulsary flouride in the water to keep the sheeple docile.

[chanceyy]

Just this minute bought 12 months rego for $267 on the website.

you just paid the new price then .. brought mine last week online (due to run out on 28 june) & paid $224 .. am guessing it depends on when your rego runs out .. if its before 1st july old price, after 1st july new price

but those in the know can prob confirm that

[Gremlin]

It is all in here...
http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/NewPDFs/Motorcycle-Crash-Factsheet-July-07.pdf

52% of minor injuries were the fault of the rider.

60% of serious injuries were the fault of the rider.

75% of fatals were the fault of the rider.
And who makes the decision on how the accident happened, or who was at fault. Many of the crash investigators may as well be qualified in hamburgology. But that doesn't matter, they come up with a half cocked result, which is based on police "facts" (which are proven wrong with gps) etc, so the "fault" is most likely incredibly inaccurate.

This is from a real example, I'm not making it up, enough said.

[ACCSUX NOT COVERED]

And who makes the decision on how the accident happened, or who was at fault. Many of the crash investigators may as well be qualified in hamburgology. But that doesn't matter, they come up with a half cocked result, which is based on police "facts" (which are proven wrong with gps) etc, so the "fault" is most likely incredibly inaccurate.

This is from a real example, I'm not making it up, enough said.

Originally Posted by dipshit View Post
It is all in here...
http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/...et-July-07.pdf

52% of minor injuries were the fault of the rider.

60% of serious injuries were the fault of the rider.

75% of fatals were the fault of the rider.
===========================================

YIP M THE BULLSHIT ..

THE GUY THAT HIT ME WAS 100 PER CENT AT FAULT..
SO THE COSTS ARE 100 PERCENT ON HIS INSURANCE COSTS AND STATISTICS ,
BUT NO NOT WITH ACC AND ITS BULLSHIT SPIN..ITS ADDDED TO THE COSTS OF MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENTS.. STATISTICS..
AND COSTS.. TO FALSAFY THE ACC STATISTICS..
AND TO DENY ME MY RIGHTS WHILE FULLY PROTECTING THIS SCUM AND HIS INSURANCE COMPANY..
HELL I EVEN HAD TO PROTEST THIS SCUM DRIVER,S INSURANCE COMPANY , TO GET THE COVER ON MY HARLEY..
TOOK THREE YEARS PROTESTING.. ALL UP OVER 8 YEARS TO GET COVER FULL FOR MY HARLEY.. FROM HIS INSURANCE COMPANY..

AND THATS THE EXACT BULSHIT THEY TRY TO SAY..


BUT HEY ACC STILL TRY TO SAY I HAVE TO PAY MORE ACC LEVIES..WITH BULLSHIT STATISTICS. AND CREATIVE BLAMING..

ACCSUX

PS ...SPELLING MISTAKES ARE DICK HEAD DETECTORS..

[Nasty]

you just paid the new price then .. brought mine last week online (due to run out on 28 june) & paid $224 .. am guessing it depends on when your rego runs out .. if its before 1st july old price, after 1st july new price

but those in the know can prob confirm that

Yup that is what happened to me ... both my car and bike were after 1 July expiry and paid the new price :(

[Fub@r]

Have you seen these ACC stats for yourself or did someone from BRONZ tell you this?




It is all in here...
http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/NewPDFs/Motorcycle-Crash-Factsheet-July-07.pdf

52% of minor injuries were the fault of the rider.

60% of serious injuries were the fault of the rider.

75% of fatals were the fault of the rider.

The only statistics to ever come out that 80% of injuries was the fault of other road users, was when dealing with a small number of specific accidents in Auckland in one particular study.

Of course BRONZ picks up on this and always refers to "80% of ACC claims made by motorcylists were due to a car drivers negligence"... because in their political propaganda campaign, they want sympathy from the general car driving public. They don't want them to realise that motorcyclists are killing/injuring themselves through their own stupidity. BRONZ is about improving motorcycling's image and political rights. Bad press is the last thing they want.

Unfortunately motorcyclists buy into this crap as well and continue to blame everybody else instead of growing a brain themselves... and the carnage continues.

Is Maryan Street a member of BRONZ?


These initiatives will complement the existing injury prevention work being done by agencies like ACC, Maryan Street said

“While in three quarters of accidents the motorcyclist was not at fault, there are things they can do to make themselves safer. For example, a recent ACC campaign encouraged motorcyclists to wear high visibility vests and keep their headlight on during the day.”

http://www.labour.org.nz/our_mps/maryan_street/news/28032008_motorcycle_safety_package_maryan_street.h tml

[The Pastor]

Originally Posted by dipshit View Post
It is all in here...
http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/...et-July-07.pdf

52% of minor injuries were the fault of the rider.

60% of serious injuries were the fault of the rider.

75% of fatals were the fault of the rider.
===========================================

YIP M THE BULLSHIT ..

THE GUY THAT HIT ME WAS 100 PER CENT AT FAULT..
SO THE COSTS ARE 100 PERCENT ON HIS INSURANCE COSTS AND STATISTICS ,
BUT NO NOT WITH ACC AND ITS BULLSHIT SPIN..ITS ADDDED TO THE COSTS OF MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENTS.. STATISTICS..
AND COSTS.. TO FALSAFY THE ACC STATISTICS..
AND TO DENY ME MY RIGHTS WHILE FULLY PROTECTING THIS SCUM AND HIS INSURANCE COMPANY..
HELL I EVEN HAD TO PROTEST THIS SCUM DRIVER,S INSURANCE COMPANY , TO GET THE COVER ON MY HARLEY..
TOOK THREE YEARS PROTESTING.. ALL UP OVER 8 YEARS TO GET COVER FULL FOR MY HARLEY.. FROM HIS INSURANCE COMPANY..

AND THATS THE EXACT BULSHIT THEY TRY TO SAY..


BUT HEY ACC STILL TRY TO SAY I HAVE TO PAY MORE ACC LEVIES..WITH BULLSHIT STATISTICS. AND CREATIVE BLAMING..

ACCSUX

PS ...SPELLING MISTAKES ARE DICK HEAD DETECTORS..


Have you tried fairgo or 20/20?
p.s I think you made some spelling mistakes :Pokey:

[HungusMaximist]

Jesus, as motorcylclists we take enough flak alreadly.

Everything is going up in this country apart from the wages...

[CookMySock]

Everything is going up in this country apart from the wages...no, your bosses turnover aint going up by much, so spare his stress level a thought too.. It aint easy..


DB

[BMW_RACER]

Originally Posted by dipshit View Post
It is all in here...
http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/...et-July-07.pdf

52% of minor injuries were the fault of the rider.

60% of serious injuries were the fault of the rider.

75% of fatals were the fault of the rider.
===========================================

YIP M THE BULLSHIT ..

THE GUY THAT HIT ME WAS 100 PER CENT AT FAULT..
SO THE COSTS ARE 100 PERCENT ON HIS INSURANCE COSTS AND STATISTICS ,
BUT NO NOT WITH ACC AND ITS BULLSHIT SPIN..ITS ADDDED TO THE COSTS OF MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENTS.. STATISTICS..
AND COSTS.. TO FALSAFY THE ACC STATISTICS..
AND TO DENY ME MY RIGHTS WHILE FULLY PROTECTING THIS SCUM AND HIS INSURANCE COMPANY..
HELL I EVEN HAD TO PROTEST THIS SCUM DRIVER,S INSURANCE COMPANY , TO GET THE COVER ON MY HARLEY..
TOOK THREE YEARS PROTESTING.. ALL UP OVER 8 YEARS TO GET COVER FULL FOR MY HARLEY.. FROM HIS INSURANCE COMPANY..

AND THATS THE EXACT BULSHIT THEY TRY TO SAY..


BUT HEY ACC STILL TRY TO SAY I HAVE TO PAY MORE ACC LEVIES..WITH BULLSHIT STATISTICS. AND CREATIVE BLAMING..

ACCSUX

PS ...SPELLING MISTAKES ARE DICK HEAD DETECTORS..

So, spelling mistakes are dickhead detectors? You implying that you yourself are a dickhead?

You see that key on the left of your keyboard called "Caps Lock"? Please, turn it off. :doh:

[BMW_RACER]

Anyway, government departments in general are fucking wankers, along with insurance companys.

Anyone seen the movie "Sicko"? Its about american health insurance companys and how they arent there to help you, they are they to make a profit. Which I guess is the same over here with insurance companys and ACC. Any claim that they can deny is a profit for them.

[HornetBoy]

What a suprise ,just heard that the oil barrel price has just toped $140 ,$3/ltr by december ....here we come :clap::rolleyes:

[saltydog]

utter utter utter BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bash:

Governments GDP is fucked so they take it out on the man on the street. Bullshit ey. Take all those flash 6cyl cars of the polititions, sack their drivers and make them take the bloody bus. Its not enough we are all struggling to make ends meet and they just PUT THE F**KING PRICE UP AGAIN. What about the talk of crude going to $170US a barrel. We'll all we walking soon, thats if they dont put a tax or something on that!!!
VOTE HER OUT.
Cullen must be rimming her?!:mad:

[Zookey]

He will blame ACC .charges but hey how about the 12.5 % bl#### GST take,might use that for more cheesecutters do ya think.The percentage spent on motorcycle accidents has decreased because of the increase in bike numbers registered.so this makes the increases more like revenue gatherering geeeze. :2guns::

[Trouser]

you just paid the new price then .. brought mine last week online (due to run out on 28 june) & paid $224 .. am guessing it depends on when your rego runs out .. if its before 1st july old price, after 1st july new price

but those in the know can prob confirm that

Bugger. Bastards.

[arj127]

Dipshit, I'm not disagreeing with anything you're writing. The way a lot of motorcyclists ride is just plain stupid and selfish. What I take issue with is the fact that ACC is supposed to be "blameless" and that's why peeps who climb mountains in T-shirts or horse riders who don't wear helmets get cover. We shouldn't have to pay these rates because we happen to ride motorcycles. Off road riders, quad bikers and as a few folk have said, rugby players don't pay so why should we? If ACC on vehicles were based on perceived risk then truck drivers (much larger mileage) and young male drivers should have higher rates.

The fact of the matter is that the majority of motorcyclists have at least car and therefore already pay ACC. Many motorcyclists also have multiple motorcycles. To argue that it's fair that they pay ACC $200(ish) a year for a motorcycle that may go out just a handful of times a year is ridiculous.

Too true, never thought of it that way.

[dipshit]

Is Maryan Street a member of BRONZ?

She had BRONZ whispering in her ear. She had consulted with BRONZ and they feed her the usual bullshit. She is a politician - they consult with "experts" and then issue press releases.




three quarters of accidents the motorcyclist was not at fault

What anybody fails to tell you though, is that the figure was the result of a small specific study of 43 accidents that occurred on Great North Rd, Great South Rd, Karangahape Rd, Newton Rd and Ponsonby Rd, between 2001 and 2005.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10445028


That figure was not derived from nationwide New Zealand statistics.
http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/NewPDFs/Motorcycle-Crash-Factsheet-July-07.pdf

[BMW_RACER]

Anyone can make up some pretty graphs to try and prove their point.

Ive made one myself:
*Data collected between 2005 - 2007.

[Zookey]

Bugger. Bastards.

!st of July for price increase ,but had too check whether i had paid new amount tho ,But didnt. :2thumbsup

[TLDV8]

DR 650 = $650 a year for rego (NZ$819)

Toyota camper van = $526 (NZ$662)

Full insurance is extra.
It would not surprise me if NZ follows the third party policy as here and also the proposed (2009) front number plate on motorcycles.

[awayatc]

Front numberplate will help indeed with road safety....
Heard they are going to combine all revenue collecting government departments into one, (0800 bendover)
You can have your wages paid into their account directly, if there is anything left over at the end of the monththey will either pay it back to you.....or more likely add yet another extortion.:Police::buggerd:

[BMW_RACER]

If they bump it up that much (aussie prices) I can see alot of people running around with no rego's and more people pulling runners from the cops

[Sollyboy]

, ACC levy for car was $100, for bike was $200.

Cunts.

its a con , its like the victim of crime paying a levy , imagine if asians in sth aucks was levied $100 because they more likely to be beaten up, why shpuld we pay a levy for other cunts carelessness

[mbazza]

Isn't it great to have the KB forum to bitch about yet another hit to our wallets! Will it stop me registering my rides? No!
My wee bitch is just MHO! Cheers. :eek:

[dipshit]

Anyone can make up some pretty graphs to try and prove their point.

So are you implying we should ignore the statistics from Land Transport NZ because we don't like what it shows and go with some "three quarters of accidents the motorcyclist was not at fault" bullshit instead because it suits us better?

[R6_kid]

The accident corporation says the levy rises are necessary to cover rising treatment costs for increasing numbers of victims who survive crashes but are left with serious injuries.

It expects the average cost of treating a car crash victim with moderate or serious injuries to rise from $44,189 to more than $50,000 this year.


So 'safer' cars are actually costing society more money to keep seriously injured people alive/paid for, where in the past they would more than likely have died?

I dont think it's the people that are becoming more resistant to dying in vehicle accidents!

[CrazyFrog]

Fuck me, I've got 4 bikes including one 50cc scoot.
Just got the rego for it, one year went from $74 to $321.
That is absolutely fuckin criminal!
Are you noobs crashing your scooters too much, jesus the ACC levy just rocketed.