If I didn't see it I wouldn'y have believed it....

[<Rhino>]

I have been reading through the threads since I joined here bout a month ago and I remember reading a thread about somone who had had trouble with his bike or somthing and no one stopped to help except another biker...

I was on my way home on Friday night (the end of my first week on a bike) ride'n from Porirua back to Upper Hutt :Playnice: This guy on another bike overtakes me on the motorway out of Porirua on his bike, wearing all yellow which got me to thinking about me wearing all black, should be in colour etc etc!! I come up over the rise round the corner to the Whitby turn off and this guys in the middle of the road, bike flat on the ground!.

I stoped just beyond him, went back and checked he was ok (he was) and helped him get his bike off the road, another biker stopped to help also and a lady from a house over the road (I Think), not one CAGE'E stopped, they all kept driving hardly even giving us the space to get him and his bike off the road!! Whats with that!!!

I asked the guy what happened, A ute with a trailer pulled out in front of him!! :( and he had to ditch, the bastard didn't even stop!! The rider had to have somone come and pick him up in the end as his hand was to sore to opperate the clutch, I headed for home with a new found hatred for cars, the other biker headed off too (thanks to you mate, who ever you are)

Is there any point in wearing Hi-vis gear, does that really make any difference, or will being vigilent about cars keep you alive longer. ??? :beer:

[James Deuce]

If he came over a rise and around a corner and couldn't stop in time, how is that the car's fault? It's a serious question too. There's many ways to skin a cat and assuming that the "hated" car is always at fault isn't necessarily always the case.

[Swoop]

The clutch hand is the waving hand...
That's why he didn't want to ride.

[CookMySock]

It looks a bit like no one cares dunnit ? Yeah he does have to be able to stop in the clear distance in front of him on a laned road. This law is broken ALL the time pretty much because we usually get AWAY with it.

Learn to countersteer-swerve, and train your mind to have the strength to do it when you have to. It's just part of being an arse on a motorcycle and having countermeasures up your sleeve.

DB

[Rockbuddy]

similar thing happened to me, i was in the passing lane and a cage cut in front of me to overtake a truck, realizing she wasn't going to make it hit the picks leaving me nowhere to go, it happens so fast you dont get time to create the required gap so i bin break a collarbone, no other witnessess so my word against hers. and i get a ticket for $150 basically for following to close
oh and the only one to stop and help was a mate passing on his way to work and the lady driving the car

[<Rhino>]

If he came over a rise and around a corner and couldn't stop in time, how is that the car's fault? It's a serious question too. There's many ways to skin a cat and assuming that the "hated" car is always at fault isn't necessarily always the case.

The Ute pulled out in front of him from a controlled intersection where it would have had to give way! He didn't check to see if the way was clear enough, thats how its his fault. My description was more about the run up to the accident from my point of view (sorry, not very clear) and I see where your comming from, but to clarify there is enough road to see if its clear.

My points are:
Seems as though people in cars don't care about bikes, from the apparrent lack of people who stoped to offer assistence even before I got there a half dozen cars must have driven past. I mean this guys not just standing on the side of the road with a broken down bike, people saw him come off, he and his bike were lying on the road!

Does wearing Hi-vis actually help, in this case it seems not?

[musicman]

If he came over a rise and around a corner and couldn't stop in time, how is that the car's fault? It's a serious question too. There's many ways to skin a cat and assuming that the "hated" car is always at fault isn't necessarily always the case.

I don't think his hatred was directed solely towards the car that pulled out, it's probably more to cars in general from the combined facts that one pulled out partly causing the off and then not one single car that passed the accident stopped or even gave them space.


I stoped just beyond him, went back and checked he was ok (he was) and helped him get his bike off the road, another biker stopped to help also and a lady from a house over the road (I Think), not one CAGE'E stopped, they all kept driving hardly even giving us the space to get him and his bike off the road!! Whats with that!!!

I asked the guy what happened, A ute with a trailer pulled out in front of him!! :( and he had to ditch, the bastard didn't even stop!! The rider had to have somone come and pick him up in the end as his hand was to sore to opperate the clutch, I headed for home with a new found hatred for cars, the other biker headed off too (thanks to you mate, who ever you are)

[<Rhino>]

Correct, Thanks.

I've been driving cars since I was 15, only just got on a bike two weeks ago, I guess I'm just a little green and didn't realise just how hard it can be for bikers, both from peoples attitude and perhaps pre-misconceptions.

[MSTRS]

Correct, Thanks.

I've been driving cars since I was 15, only just got on a bike two weeks ago, I guess I'm just a little green and didn't realise just how hard it can be for bikers, both from peoples attitude and perhaps pre-misconceptions.

Yep, it's a whole different perspective from the 'other side of the windscreen'. Without getting into possible reasons for it, we just don't rate on the roads.

[Mikkel]

Just don't expect anyone besides yourself to behave like a competent and aware road-user. And even just hoping for consideration is naive.

Last week I had an either blind or stupid woman pull out across two lanes right in front of me - I probably missed her by about 5 cm and there was perhaps about the same amount of room on my right.
I had pulled plenty of naughty :nono:s on my way home before this incident took place - however at this point I was sitting at ~65 km/h in the right hand lane on a dual carriageway in a 60 km/h zone.
It was during late dusk and my headlight was very much on - there's no way she could have missed me if she had bothered to look... so either she didn't look or she didn't care.

I got slightly agitated and enquired 'politely', as she pulled up next to me at the lights, if she would most kindly pay more attention next time. I couldn't hear her reply due to helmet and earplugs - which is probably for the better since she couldn't really, in that situation, have said anything to make things better, but only a whole lot to make it worse!

[martybabe]

Correct, Thanks.

I've been driving cars since I was 15, only just got on a bike two weeks ago, I guess I'm just a little green and didn't realise just how hard it can be for bikers, both from peoples attitude and perhaps pre-misconceptions.

That's where it's at rhino, normal rules don't apply here, if you ride a bike like you drive your car, trouble will not be far away.

Don't expect any one to look for you, don't expect anyone to give way to you just because they should. The sad fact is mate none of em give a toss about you, treat them all like idiots, consider your self invisible (hi vis or not) and most importantly, remember the only one looking out for you is you.

Ride safe Rhino and big ups for stopping to help. :niceone:

[Ixion]

Hi-vis will help other road users to see you . Then, having seen you, they'll pull out in front of you anyway. All just part of life's rich tapestry

[Maha]

Dont hate all car drivers Rhino, where is the maturity in that? I drive a car and also a van for work, lay the blame (if required) at the 'actual' pilot of the actual car/bus/truck/hippy van/ and yes even bike, that is at fault. Why lump everyone into a select group of wankers because of a single person actions?

[ManDownUnder]

For what it's worth - all you can do is change the world by starting in your own back yard. Make sure that if you see someone in help - you stop... and help.

Lead by example (and I note you did :niceone:), and this is a brilliant one.

[Swoop]

Hi-vis will help other road users to see you.
Quite debateable. A recent incident proved otherwise.

[fergie]

well done for stopping and lending a hand, that gets you brownie points in the karma stakes:niceone:

[Monsterbishi]

/rant on

I drive, I ride and my work vehicle is a 12 ton truck - which part of me should I hate the most?

Kiwi's - we're a special bunch, we hate all Asian drivers because we see some who can't drive and tarnish the whole lot, but that's ok, because we can't afford petrol since all the Maori are on benefits so our taxes are too high - when we do get out we wonder why all the women drivers don't just put their makeup on before they leave.

But that's ok, us riders, we're a good bunch, we understand that drivers don't mind when a couple of cruisers with loud exhausts cut up on the left hand side, get in front and then take off slowly at 150db, they're thankful when scooters pootle along under the limit because it saves them petrol, and if it wasn't for the sportsbike munting their wing mirror when split up the middle of traffic, they wouldn't have been able to perve at the tits on the counter attendant at the dealership whilst forking out $400 for the new mirror.

/rant off

on topic point is, I've had times in the past when I've had my car pack a sad, and had a biker give me a ride, I've had times when my bikes died, and been given a tow by a car, and just plain old times where I've had to leg it because no-one stopped - but it would be foolish to form a blanket opinion because of that! Be glad when help is offered, don't fret when it isn't.

[mowgli]

Irrespective of whether the rider might have broken the law on following distance, it sounds like several cages broke the law in failing to stop and lend assistance at the scene of an accident. I doubt many of them slowed to below 20kph either, sign or no sign.

High vis gear won't prevent you from being hit but it will increase the chances of your being seen and therefore reduce the probability of your being hit.

Bling to you Mr Rhino for stopping.

[alanzs]

Riding motorcycles aint for the faint of heart. I wear hi viz gear all the time, but all it means is I am visible, if someones looking. On some level, every accident I am in is my fault, as I chose to be there or not. Fault doesn't matter, really now does it? Good on you for stopping. Stop for all accidents. Thats the courteous thing to do... What goes around, comes around.
Ride safe, ride safe, ride, safe...

[mowgli]

[SIZE="5"]On some level, every accident I am in is my fault, as I chose to be there or not. Fault doesn't matter, really now does it?
Couldn't agree more +1

[Drew]

Oh fuck, Katman is gonna be all over this one.:crazy:

[Katman]

Oh fuck, Katman is gonna be all over this one.:crazy:

Thankfully Drew, each day it seems there's a few more helping me out than the day before.

A man would go crazy otherwise.

:msn-wink:

[Spyke]

It's not them just ignoring bikes they ignore their fellow car drivers too, i'm scooting along to school and at a particularly busy intersection a big people mover had broke down with smoke coming out the electrics,

I did a U-turn down the road and asked if the driver wanted a push meanwhile cars are pulling out around the vehicle/road hazard/blindspot for people exiting the intersection.

not one of the big burly men waiting at the intersection helped me push it off the road and they could see i was having trouble. luckily a nice lady pulled over and helped me push it too.

bloody slack next time i'm parking the scooter in the way so they can't avoid helping get a hazard off the road.

[Drew]

Thankfully Drew, each day it seems there's a few more helping me out than the day before.

A man would go crazy otherwise.

:msn-wink:

As I've said to you, you're point is valid in many ways. The only thing we dont see eye to eye on, is the after the fact digs you kick home.

We are all responsible for our actions, shouldn't make excuses, but also dont carry crystal balls.

[XP@]

Does wearing Hi-vis actually help, in this case it seems not?
This only helps improve visibility from behind so would not have helped the cage see him.
Using his headlight may have helped in this case.
My experience leads me to believe Hiviz jackets tend to aggravate drivers. They seem to do silly things when they realise you are not a cop.


Bikers will stop to help bikers - always
Bikers in Cages will stop to help bikers - always
Cagers will stop to help bikers - sometimes (unless it is raining or they are on their way home from or to work)

[Strang0r]

It's like this test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahg6qcgoay4)... You can't see what you not looking for... and people just don't seem to look for us on bikes....

[Griffin]

Oh fuck, Katman is gonna be all over this one.:crazy: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I have to agree with Monsterbishi - I hate the thought that all bike riders are lumped into one category just because of the idiot few amongst us so therefore I dont think its fair to lump ALL car drivers into the same category because of the actions... or inactions of the (admittedly substantial) minority. I dare say that the majority of the time at most intersections we are seen and treated as equal motorists.

I am a car driver as well as a biker and have been guilty of lack of observation - not only where bikes are concerned either. However - I would definitely stop to help if I witnessed or caused an accident...

[Pedrostt500]

Ok Kool for stopping to help.
Pedros #1 Rule of thumb, Treat every other motorist as an Idiot that is out to kill you, its no good being Dead Right.
the law states you have to be able to stop in Half the distance visable to you.

[sinfull]

Hell rant !!!!

See more and more new riders posting that they binned, or someone pulled out, or hit them or cut them off ect ! Its all a learning curve that 90% of car drivers wont see you or they will underestimate your speed and i aint saying the experienced guys dont bin (touch wood) it can happen to everybody and usually does at least once in ya riding life .
My only road bins thus far, have been as a teen being a hoon in a full car park, sideways into an old fella going accross my line (SIDEWAYS !!!!) one crushed ankle (had to kick it over with the left leg) and a thou in fix it bills for his car (cheap back then)!
Next day i still hadn't learnt and came round a sweeper too quick to find an old lady doing a u turn at the bowling green, who proceeded to stop when she saw me, too late ! Line had been altered ! Missed her but copped the gravell hell. That was me crushed right ankle, left knee full of gravell ! Lucky the bike was ticking over on its side cause i wouldnt been able to start it, stood the b/axe up and road away in third (wasn't hanging round for reasons i wont go into, no one else involved but my own stupid self so out of there)

Your a 30 odd yr old bloke who's been driving a while, have ya ever missjudged a bikes speed b4 ? they look like they are standing still and miles away ! Car drivers are looking out for other cars, you know 5' wide with a grill ! Its all subconcious stuff, ya glance right (dont see a grill and pull out) next thing some dude on a bikes giving ya the stink in ya drivers window ! Same deal in the cars mirror, yr looking for a CAR ! No car so ya pull out to pass, WHACK some poor prick who was in yr blind spot goes through a cheesecutter !
Here's the bit where i get the bash from a few !! Being in the lucky position of having a few horses, i pick my time to do manouvers (bloody obvious when a cars closing in on another and there's a passing lane THEY are gonna pull right at some stage so ya only got yaself to blame if ya get caught there!
So either before they get to close or after they pass ya rock up to there r/h back bumper and usually 3 seconds later they twitch left a little, whoa (where'd that bike come from) forget FROM sweetheart i'm gone, passed ya in a second ! Same thing with the horses when a car comes to an intersection, not that i speed up, but the whole time ya got to think (where to go if it goes wrong and the prick pulls out) A bit of grunt has got me past the front bumper many times !
Forget absolute lunacy out there now (ok its an adrenilyn rush but) take it to the track if ya want to be a nutter !
You being stuck (wrong word perhaps) on a 2 fity cant rely on power and yr brakes are prolly half that of mine (at 100k it makes a big diff, wont get talking about high speed here)
Think alot of new riders problems start when they go for back brake first, avoid the obstacle second ! If yr sliding sideways its hard to manuva, so a changed line sometimes saves yr ass more than hittin the picks !
Ok rethinking that statement, my first reaction is usually a fist full of front brake, then think about getting down a couple of cogs while changing lines, unless its a remarkably narrow road there is 9 times out of ten room for you outside them, or inside, if yr reaction was so slow, they got all the way out in front of ya before you think (hey you were suppose to give way)

See too many ppl on here bashing SO CALLED cage drivers, when 90% of us are cage drivers, you can ask the best of them and they will say they have pulled out on a bike they aint seen at one stage or another !
All said and done, sometimes its unavoidable ! So ya safest bet is to think, they aint seen me, they will pull out on me, slow down if you must !
Ride safe, wear the gear, use more perifial than you ever have in ya life (practice that), think like no one has seen ya and enjoy the rush !!!
If ya wanna be a nutter, see ya on the track !

[MSTRS]

....next time i'm parking the scooter in the way so they can't avoid helping get a hazard off the road.

What a wonderful idea. :nono: They can't see you on it, so they will when you are not. Hmmmm.

[Spyke]

What a wonderful idea. :nono: They can't see you on it, so they will when you are not. Hmmmm.

But.....But....but...... it makes me soooo angry watching strong men go by while a helpless ladie and a teen is trying to push a people mover.

(You'd know the intersection by the over bridge on kennedy road? where people are turning right onto kennedy)

[MSTRS]

Oh, I know and agree with you. Just don't expect your scooter to stay propped up 'blocking' access.

[skidMark]

I have been reading through the threads since I joined here bout a month ago and I remember reading a thread about somone who had had trouble with his bike or somthing and no one stopped to help except another biker...

I was on my way home on Friday night (the end of my first week on a bike) ride'n from Porirua back to Upper Hutt :Playnice: This guy on another bike overtakes me on the motorway out of Porirua on his bike, wearing all yellow which got me to thinking about me wearing all black, should be in colour etc etc!! I come up over the rise round the corner to the Whitby turn off and this guys in the middle of the road, bike flat on the ground!.

I stoped just beyond him, went back and checked he was ok (he was) and helped him get his bike off the road, another biker stopped to help also and a lady from a house over the road (I Think), not one CAGE'E stopped, they all kept driving hardly even giving us the space to get him and his bike off the road!! Whats with that!!!

I asked the guy what happened, A ute with a trailer pulled out in front of him!! :( and he had to ditch, the bastard didn't even stop!! The rider had to have somone come and pick him up in the end as his hand was to sore to opperate the clutch, I headed for home with a new found hatred for cars, the other biker headed off too (thanks to you mate, who ever you are)

Is there any point in wearing Hi-vis gear, does that really make any difference, or will being vigilent about cars keep you alive longer. ??? :beer:

#1 rule of motorcycling.

Treat every other road user like they are out to kill you.

Because they are.

fingers always covering the brakes etc...coming up to sidestreets be in a gear that you can power out of the way if ya have to.

etc etc.

[Spyke]

Oh, I know and agree with you. Just don't expect your scooter to stay propped up 'blocking' access.

Well I think I need a bike like steams old death machine for some street cred!

[Hitcher]

There have been times I have been tempted to run down bikers wearing fluoro jackets. Does this make me a bad person?

[skidMark]

There have been times I have been tempted to run down bikers wearing fluoro jackets. Does this make me a bad person?


FLUORO????!!!

YESSSS

after 3 years i have caught you! mwuahahahahaha.

Hitcher made a typooooo...

:hitcher:

[James Deuce]

Yes, "Fluoro". Short for Fluorescent.

I also aim for riders wearing fluoro gear, especially when I am in the car.

[skidMark]

Yes, "Fluoro". Short for Fluorescent.

I also aim for riders wearing fluoro gear, especially when I am in the car.


Fluro short for flurescent.

Not fluoro.

[skidMark]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoro

http://www.sulco.co.nz/Product?Action=View&Product_id=18096

[Griffin]

It is actually 'Fluorescent' in which case makes 'Fluoro' an acceptable abbreviation. Hitcher is... correct :niceone:

[skidMark]

It is actually 'Fluorescent' in which case makes 'Fluoro' an acceptable abbreviation. Hitcher is... correct :niceone:


Erm noooo.

http://www.powerwise.ca/tips/view/flurescent-bulbs/

[Hitcher]

40 love. Hitcher serves for the match.

[Griffin]

LOL... just cos Sulco spell it 'Fluro' doesnt make it correct - it makes them wrong! Check your wickipedia link... F L U O R E S C E N T.

Hang on... why do I care???

[skidMark]

LOL... just cos Sulco spell it 'Fluro' doesnt make it correct - it makes them wrong! Check your wickipedia link... F L U O R E S C E N T.

Hang on... why do I care???


I have that effect.

the world loves me.

[Katman]

the world loves me.

I haven't signed up for that, have I?

:msn-wink:

[sinfull]

I have that effect.

the world loves me.
Nice to see your on ya toes though !!!
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=fluorescent

[<Rhino>]

Wow, this cerntainly took off in a direction I hadn't anticipated.

The problem with text only conversation is that 93% of the time it will be misinterpreted and taken out of context.

I know I said I rode off with a whole new hatred for Cagers, I think in refelction that may have been a bit to strong, yes i do still drive a car (the wifes now :crybaby: and one at work occaisionaly) I was just venting, I was pretty pissed that no one who wittnessed the cash stopped to help.

I am fully aware about the "assume they wont see you" thing the instructor at the BSC drummed that into us.

I will continue to ride with an ever increasing awareness. :rockon:

[skidMark]

I haven't signed up for that, have I?

:msn-wink:

Wanna go halves on a baby? :love:

[Katman]

Wanna go halves on a baby? :love:

Why not - I've never been able to eat a whole one.

[sinfull]

I was just venting, I was pretty pissed that no one who wittnessed the cash stopped to help.

:

Now there's a bloody thought !!!
Just carry a wad of cash on yr tank held by a magnet or something that will release in a bin and everyone will stop !!

[Steam]

Well I think I need a bike like steams old death machine for some street cred!

Death Machine! Cor blimey, the praise will go to it's head, it's only a 250!
Death Machine Two is in the early stages of creation. At the moment it's just black.

To you guys below, I read somewhere that some agency did statistics in some country somewhere, and found fluoro vests maybe reduced near-misses by 19%. But I don't know where I read that or how big or good the study was.

The best defence is good riding skills, a sixth-sense, and prayer.



Does wearing Hi-vis actually help, in this case it seems not?



Is there any point in wearing Hi-vis gear,


Quite debateable. A recent incident proved otherwise.



High vis gear won't prevent you from being hit but it will increase the chances of your being seen and therefore reduce the probability of your being hit.




My experience leads me to believe Hiviz jackets tend to aggravate drivers.

[alanzs]

There have been times I have been tempted to run down bikers wearing fluoro jackets. Does this make me a bad person?

You're gonna get along just fine in the US... :eek5:

[skidMark]

Why not - I've never been able to eat a whole one.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAA New Sig!

[swbarnett]

I read somewhere that some agency did statistics in some country somewhere, and found fluoro vests maybe reduced near-misses by 19%. But I don't know where I read that or how big or good the study was.
I think it came out that it's quite possible that those wearing the vests were the type to be less likely to get themselves into trouble, with or without vests. Possible another example of confused causality.


The best defence is good riding skills, a sixth-sense, and prayer.
Never a truer word has been said.

[swbarnett]

#1 rule of motorcycling.

Treat every other road user like they are out to kill you.
This I must agree with.


Because they are.
However, this I must take issue with.

If every other road user was out to kill motorcyclists we'd all have been killed long ago.

An infinitesimal number of road users (if any) go out with the express purpose of causing carnage. To believe that we are simply targets for cars and such is to promulgate an "us and them" mentality that does nothing to improve our lot or theirs. When it all comes down to it we (bikers, cagers, truckies etc...) are all road users and must share the road in good faith.

[slofox]

"but the whole time ya got to think (where to go if it goes wrong and the prick pulls out)" I kinda agree with Sinfull here. Whilst it is true that the odd unavoidable situation will crop up, most situations are avoidable if you work ahead. I am ALWAYS aware of what COULD happen and am ALWAYS looking for an escape route. It is called defensive riding. The worst crash I ever had was caused by some old fart driving into me when he was turning right and I was going straight. But it wouldn't happen now, because I would be looking at him and I would see he wasn't looking at me and would therefore be prepared to avoid....Rule 1. Look at the driver, not the vehicle. If he ain't lookin' at you BEWARE and BE PREPARED! We are the vulnerable ones and it serves us well to be trebly alert when on the bike. We have better vision than the car driver. Exploit this advantage. We can increase our chances by using the advantages we have and by being ALERT!

[sunhuntin]

"but the whole time ya got to think (where to go if it goes wrong and the prick pulls out)" I kinda agree with Sinfull here. Whilst it is true that the odd unavoidable situation will crop up, most situations are avoidable if you work ahead. I am ALWAYS aware of what COULD happen and am ALWAYS looking for an escape route. It is called defensive riding. The worst crash I ever had was caused by some old fart driving into me when he was turning right and I was going straight. But it wouldn't happen now, because I would be looking at him and I would see he wasn't looking at me and would therefore be prepared to avoid....Rule 1. Look at the driver, not the vehicle. If he ain't lookin' at you BEWARE and BE PREPARED! We are the vulnerable ones and it serves us well to be trebly alert when on the bike. We have better vision than the car driver. Exploit this advantage. We can increase our chances by using the advantages we have and by being ALERT!

thats what i do as well. as a result, my heart is in my mouth 90% of the time when riding in town. so many cagers arent looking, or they come up to the intersection, but dont stop completly and keep rolling.

the only time ive been hit, i was watching the driver as best i could. traffic was heavy in all directions, and i figured shed have the smarts to not go. she went. nothing could have prevented that, as there was no where for me to go, except oncoming traffic.

[MSTRS]

[I] We have better vision than the car driver. Exploit this advantage.

A few say this. But IMO it just isn't so. True, we don't have pillars creating blind spots, but we don't have the unfettered head movement possible in a car.

[madandy]

Lets all start waving to people in cars. They may beleive we're changing our attitudes, deserve to live, share the roads with them and they may sympathise with the cheesecutter camapaign.

really. forgive them their trespasses and get proactive.

:lol:

[MSTRS]

Lets all start waving to people in cars. ...

I do. Just sometimes though, I don't seem to be able to unfold all my fingers...:whistle:

[madandy]

I do. Just sometimes though, I don't seem to be able to unfold all my fingers...:whistle:

I bet they feel your love all the same :2thumbsup

[Katman]

Lets all start waving to people in cars. They may beleive we're changing our attitudes, deserve to live, share the roads with them and they may sympathise with the cheesecutter camapaign.

really. forgive them their trespasses and get proactive.

:lol:

I think that's a great idea. :msn-wink:

[MSTRS]

I bet they feel your love all the same :2thumbsup


I think that's a great idea. :msn-wink:

Yep. When courtesy is displayed, it hurts not to say thanks

[madandy]

I think that's a great idea. :msn-wink:

Of course you do. :beer:
When does 'wave to a cager' day happen?

[jim.cox]

When does 'wave to a cager' day happen?

Every day

But with one finger only

[madandy]

& some wonder why they try and run us over?

Hell, if some random motorcyclist gave me the bird for no good reason I'd think about some GBH myself.

[swbarnett]

A few say this. But IMO it just isn't so. True, we don't have pillars creating blind spots, but we don't have the unfettered head movement possible in a car.
I haven't noticed any difference in the amount of head movement I can achieve in a car or on the bike.

[Steam]

I think it came out that it's quite possible that those wearing the vests were the type to be less likely to get themselves into trouble, with or without vests. Possible another example of confused causality.


Oh yeah, good point.

[MSTRS]

I haven't noticed any difference in the amount of head movement I can achieve in a car or on the bike.

You're on a GN. Upright seating position. You 'might' wear an open face too.
On a sprotbike, leathers and full face - it's not so easy. The situation that occurs to me where this is a major problem is where you are coming into an 'angled' left turn intersection...the angle is too great to turn one's head far enough to see what's coming from the right, yet the mirrors miss the view because of the angle.

[slofox]

I do. Just sometimes though, I don't seem to be able to unfold all my fingers...:whistle:

Hehehehehe....mine cramp up too........(snigger)

[slofox]

A few say this. But IMO it just isn't so. True, we don't have pillars creating blind spots, but we don't have the unfettered head movement possible in a car.

I certainly think I have better vision on the bike although rear vision can be a prob if you don't look over the shoulder.....just feels better is all......maybe my cage is too clunky.........

[Chrislost]

#1 rule of motorcycling.

fingers always covering the brakes etc...coming up to sidestreets be in a gear that you can power out of the way if ya have to.

etc etc.

Covering the brake when you see somthing eh? its just going to give you a sore hand covering it everywhere!!!
As for powering out of the way should you not be traveling at a speed such that you can stop in half the clear distance ahead of you...?

hoon!

[McJim]

I used to wear a hi-vis vest until I got hit by a car. I stopped wearing it and haven't been hit since. This could just be coincidence however....

[Hitcher]

I used to wear a hi-vis vest until I got hit by a car. I stopped wearing it and haven't been hit since. This could just be coincidence however....

I wasn't driving that car. Honest.

[slofox]

Lets all start waving to people in cars. They may beleive we're changing our attitudes, deserve to live, share the roads with them and they may sympathise with the cheesecutter camapaign.

really. forgive them their trespasses and get proactive.

:lol:

Been thinking about this and have realised that I do in fact do something like this already, in that I acknowledge those drivers who do give way and wait for me, especially if they could have snuck through in front but have opted not to. A little lift of the left hand in acknowledgement is all it takes. Whether they see it or not I wouldn't know but it is right to reinforce "good" behaviour. It is all too easy to get agro and offensive when some dork drives right at you. We run the risk of dumping on ALL drivers, even those who do make an effort and thereby reinforcing the "biker" image of mad hoons with no manners. In my experience there are more drivers who do look out than who do not - else I would not still be alive to ride at my advanced age of (cough cough mumble mumble)..........

[madandy]

Been thinking about this and have realised that I do in fact do something like this already, in that I acknowledge those drivers who do give way and wait for me, especially if they could have snuck through in front but have opted not to. A little lift of the left hand in acknowledgement is all it takes. Whether they see it or not I wouldn't know but it is right to reinforce "good" behaviour. It is all too easy to get agro and offensive when some dork drives right at you. We run the risk of dumping on ALL drivers, even those who do make an effort and thereby reinforcing the "biker" image of mad hoons with no manners. In my experience there are more drivers who do look out than who do not - else I would not still be alive to ride at my advanced age of (cough cough mumble mumble)..........

Excellent. :niceone:
I try to acknowledge the 'good' drivers do at intersections too - ya know the ones that nearly went but had a second glance and saw you.
it's all very well to say that they F'n well should have looked harder the first time but it's evidence that maybe there is hope, that maybe the 'look out for motorcycles' adverts work. maybe people, not all, but more than before are taking head.

Most of us, I'm sure also wave a little thankyou to some of the more attentive drivers who move over to the left a little to let us safely by when out on the open road.

To simply roar past their window impatiently at 100mph is hardly gaining us any friends amongst the general public though some really do deserve a good panel beating...

[Mikkel]

I always wave at all the old people who scowls at me. :yes:

[raftn]

I ride and i drive, cant ever say i have been blameless in some of the incidents i got into. I once almost took a biker out, i failed to indicate and changed lanes, missed him by inches, to be fair he was in my blind spot, but if i had looked properly and indicated it would of never of happened. None of us a blameless we all maek mistakes. I apoligised to the guy profusley, admitted i was a biker and i should of known better. He accepted and we went our seperate ways. Point i am makeing, is we are all vuneralbe to making mistakes, and not paying attention......

[Swoop]

I happily give a small wave/lift hand off of the grip with open hand, type gesture to reinforce a "thank-you" to cagers who move aside when filtering.
I believe it balances the "yin/yang" ratio of mirrorectomy's performed.

[MSTRS]

... Point i am makeing, is we are all vuneralbe to making mistakes, and not paying attention......

Of course we are - human nature to err - it's the making amends that counts (like you did). Too many would just flip the bird and carnage on.

[slofox]

....to be fair he was in my blind spot, ......

That is my second "Rule 1" - NEVER ride in a car's blind spot - so easy to avoid that spot, so stupid to lurk in it.....either drop back or get alongside or in front.

[scumdog]

. Why lump everyone into a select group of wankers because of a single person actions?

'Cos it's the KB way - all Honda riders, all sprotsbike riders, all cruisier riders all cops etc are wankers because a KBer had a bad experience with one or two of the previously mentioned groups...:Pokey:

That attitude is a 'maturity indicator':dodge:

[MSTRS]

'Cos it's the KB way - all Honda riders, all sprotsbike riders, all cruisier riders all cops etc are wankers because a KBer had a bad experience with one or two of the previously mentioned groups...:Pokey:

That attitude is a 'maturity indicator':dodge:

It's the ones who can't take off the persona with the helmet that you've really got to watch.

[swbarnett]

You're on a GN. Upright seating position. You 'might' wear an open face too.
On a sprotbike, leathers and full face - it's not so easy. The situation that occurs to me where this is a major problem is where you are coming into an 'angled' left turn intersection...the angle is too great to turn one's head far enough to see what's coming from the right, yet the mirrors miss the view because of the angle.
Fair point. All the bikes I've owned have had more of an upright seating position.

BTW: Full face all the way. Although some may disagree I actually like my face the way it is.

[howdamnhard]

Don't expect any one to look for you, don't expect anyone to give way to you just because they should. The sad fact is mate none of em give a toss about you, treat them all like idiots, consider your self invisible (hi vis or not) and most importantly, remember the only one looking out for you is you.

Ride safe Rhino and big ups for stopping to help. :niceone:

Well said Martybabe. Hi vis jackets help but don´t rely on it.