@%#$&*^ Physiotherapist

[Riff Raff]

Well yesterday I went for physio on my neck and he decided to use both thumbs to put pressure on left side of my neck cos that side has been slower to heal. I was pretty sore afterwards, but it was nothing compared to how it is today. Basically I'm back to square one after four weeks of healing - can't move neck round to left or tilt up and down. I can get an appointment with an osteopath tomorrow, but just wondering if anyone knows anyone really good in south Auckland who can fix up this physio's f$@k up. Bear in mind I live in Papakura and will have to walk there or get a taxi. I haven't rung the physio yet to tell him what a knobwit he is.
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[aff-man]

Physio's are masacistic (spelling) bastards. When i did my knee and ankle in i went to this f$#kwit who basically did nothing and then told me i could play on it..... back to square one. I know a really good physio but unfortunatley he works at the aut physio place. :wacko:

Sorry to hear that some dumbass has delayed your return to riding :doctor: NOT :blink: :blink: :kick:

[Coyote]

Kinda like my Brother and his broken leg. Has the cast on for 2 weeks, goes to get an x-ray, its healing wrong and is bent, they open cast and push his leg back into place, starts healing process again. His cast will be taken off the day before first school day

[vifferman]

Sorry to hear that, Riff Raff.

Just reinforces my prejudice against physiotherapy: I've NEVER been to one without it making me feel a lot worse, and not just in the short term either. I'm sure that manipulation of the rotator cuff in my right shoulder over weeks and weeks of physio is what might have started aaaaarrrrrrrrthritis in my decrepit body.

Sometimes things just need to be left alone to heal, or have very easy exercise, not be poked, prodded and manipulated until they're worse.
Why do things hurt? Because your body's telling you there's damage.

My boss goes to a very good osteopath in Pakuranga or somewhere, but he (my boss) is on holiday, so I can't help, sorry.

Hope someone else can, and that you get better real soon.

[Lucyloo]

I can get an appointment with an osteopath tomorrow, but just wondering if anyone knows anyone really good in south Auckland who can fix up this physio's f$@k up. Bear in mind I live in Papakura and will have to walk there or get a taxi. I haven't rung the physio yet to tell him what a knobwit he is.
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Riff Raff, I go to a great osteo, but he is in Ellerslie....
Ryan Young 102 Main Highway Ellerslie
ph. 525 7766

Close to the train station if that is any help. If I wasn't working (in Ponsonby!) I'd come and pick you up and take you.

Lucy

[Yokai]

I know a really good physio but unfortunatley he works at the aut physio place.
But that's OK -

Riff Raff - if you get your gp to write a letter, you can get our friend Mike Ellis at AUT Sportsmed to sort you out. It's just a matter of getting the GP to recommend that you go to him... he is REALLY good (but don't tell him I said so!)

[FROSTY]

But that's OK -

Riff Raff - if you get your gp to write a letter, you can get our friend Mike Ellis at AUT Sportsmed to sort you out. It's just a matter of getting the GP to recommend that you go to him... he is REALLY good (but don't tell him I said so!)
How dya make contact with this dude. --I want all the help I can get lol

[Riff Raff]

Just reinforces my prejudice against physiotherapy: I've NEVER been to one without it making me feel a lot worse
I've never been a fan of physio - osteopaths always do a better job. I only went to one because that's what the Ortho Specialist referred me to. I guess I'll just have to wait until tomorrow and hopefully the osteopath can sort it out.

[James Deuce]

Physio's have no idea with necks. Stay away.

Osteopath's are quacks. They should be labelled more clearly. I'm picking Violent Sociopath. The reality with necks is (I've broken it - compression fractures C4 & C5) that time and gentle exercise are the only things that work. That and a calm mental outlook, free of depair and aggravation. If people push your button and make you upset, stay away from them. It is seriously the best treatment for your injury.

[Firefight]

Well yesterday I went for physio on my neck and he decided to use both thumbs to put pressure on left side of my neck cos that side has been slower to heal. I was pretty sore afterwards, but it was nothing compared to how it is today. Basically I'm back to square one after four weeks of healing - can't move neck round to left or tilt up and down. I can get an appointment with an osteopath tomorrow, but just wondering if anyone knows anyone really good in south Auckland who can fix up this physio's f$@k up. Bear in mind I live in Papakura and will have to walk there or get a taxi. I haven't rung the physio yet to tell him what a knobwit he is.
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i know your not keen on Physios, but heve you tired Geoff Marr at Drury, hes a sports Physio, done work for some mob called the "Äll Blacks", he worked on me when I ripped My abuductor (sp?) muscle of my inner leg after a cross country motor bike race,, our co hire him as a consultant , he come in a works with out shifts when they do PT, hes in GSR Drury, not far from the Pub.

F/F

[toads]

I've never been a fan of physio - osteopaths always do a better job. I only went to one because that's what the Ortho Specialist referred me to. I guess I'll just have to wait until tomorrow and hopefully the osteopath can sort it out.

yes that has been my experience too, osteopaths are altogether more gentle in their approach, and I know what a neck injury feels like, mine hasn't given me probs for a while but it took 7 years to come right to the extent that it doesn't give me hell continually, now it's only once a year type thign after I've been heavy lifting for a day or too

[Hitcher]

Physios!!! [Steam gushes from hobby horse's flared nostrils]

I blame ACC for financing this "industry". How many years training do physios do to learn how to use an ultrasound machine and prescribe, of all things, exercises!! Having "qualified", practitioners think this is a serious profession. And then sting you for serious amounts of dosh.

Using the old 80-20 rule, 80% of the time for soft tissue injuries, strains and lesions, the body given time will heal itself. Waggling an ultrasound machine over it will make fuck-all difference. The other 20% of cases should be referred to medical practitioners who know what they're looking at and how to treat it. However the US-wagglers don't know what they don't know and are happy to keep invoicing as long as the punters keep rocking up.

[MOTOXXX]

Ive never had a gread deal of luck with osteopaths and physios...but.
i used to go to a physio down kapiti rd for a while for my back and he was crap. Just kept clicking my back and doing pressure points on it and telling me to come back in a few days. That went on for ages and he didnt realy solve anything, so i stopped going.

Then i found a random one in the phone book, Karen Morgan at Mazengarb Med Centre after i realy realy stuffed my back. i would never go to any other one after going to her.
I went there with a very bad back. eg i couldnt bend and was walking slow so i wouldnt hurt it.
she spent an hour asking questions, doing excersises and pressure points etc and talking me through things i can do to help. Then she told me to come back in about 4 days.

I came back again and she gave me a book to read called "treat your own back" She said that back problems are on going and reading this will help you from having to spend more money to see her all the time.

2 visits latter i was almost fixed, and now i am all good. She even photo copied pages from the book for me to keep. what a nice lady.

[Clockwork]

Tend to agree with Hitcher, almost any ACC claim these days seems to get referred to a physio where personal experience and talking to family and friends etc leads me to believe that many of these referrals just aren't necessary.

[Hitcher]

Ive never had a gread deal of luck with osteopaths and physios...but.
i used to go to a physio down kapiti rd for a while for my back and he was crap. Just kept clicking my back and doing pressure points on it and telling me to come back in a few days. That went on for ages and he didnt realy solve anything, so i stopped going.

Then i found a random one in the phone book, Karen Morgan at Mazengarb Med Centre after i realy realy stuffed my back. i would never go to any other one after going to her.
I went there with a very bad back. eg i couldnt bend and was walking slow so i wouldnt hurt it.
she spent an hour asking questions, doing excersises and pressure points etc and talking me through things i can do to help. Then she told me to come back in about 4 days.

I came back again and she gave me a book to read called "treat your own back" She said that back problems are on going and reading this will help you from having to spend more money to see her all the time.

2 visits latter i was almost fixed, and now i am all good. She even photo copied pages from the book for me to keep. what a nice lady.
I rest my case. She gave you a book and sympathy knowing full well that, given time, your body would heal itself. Amazing what deficiencies a good bedside manner can cover.

[vifferman]

Physios!!! [Steam gushes from hobby horse's flared nostrils]

I blame ACC for financing this "industry". How many years' training do physios do to learn how to use an ultrasound machine and prescribe, of all things, exercises!! Having "qualified" practitioners think this is a serious profession. And then sting you for serious amounts of dosh.

Using the old 80-20 rule, 80% of the time for soft tissue injuries, strains and lesions, the body given time will heal itself. Waggling an ultrasound machine over it will make fuck-all difference. The other 20% of cases should be referred to medical practitioners who know what they're looking at and how to treat it. However the US-wagglers don't know what they don't know and are happy to keep invoicing as long as the punters keep rocking up.Comma after the "qualified" would help aid clarity, Mr H. :Pokey:

Anyhoo, it's funny (or summat) you should mention this. As a sceptic, I make a point of quizzing physio's (I use the ' to represent "therapist" and to piss you off) about this very thing. The first time was after suffering the horrible discomfort the US machine imparts, I asked the next physio, "Do the machines that go 'Bing!' actually work?". He said, "There is no evidence that they, or any other treatment, is actually particularly efficacious for many injuries. But due to the placebo effect, and because it keeps the punters happy, if someone indicates a desire for a particular course of treatment, we will use it."
He actually professed little real belief in the 'science' of physiotherapy, but said he had great respect for the work done by osteopaths.

I think that by using scientific-looking equipment, and explaining what they're doing by couching it in technical terms, people continue to believe in it. Like when using ultrasound, the last physio I went to (solely because I had a crushed and very swollen ankle, and numb leg, after crashing my VFR750), said, "This helps break down the damaged tissue, so it can be flushed out by the body's lymphatic system."
She actually got quite pissed off when I questioned stuff she was doing, and told her that almost all the 'treatment' I'd ever had had made me much worse.

The best physio I went to was a fellow biker, who was very intelligent, and whom I used to greet with sayings such as, "So, Dr. Machiavelli - we meet again. I have a feeling this will likely end in pain and tears for one of us..." :pinch:

[MOTOXXX]

I rest my case. She gave you a book and sympathy knowing full well that, given time, your body would heal itself. Amazing what deficiencies a good bedside manner can cover.

not quite. Unlike the other physio who just kept doing the same thing and telling me to come back and not fixing anything. ie takin me money with no results.

3 months latter i hurt my back even worse.
She made my back a lot better in 3 visits and also showed me how look after my back and do excersises to strengthen it so i wouldnt have to come back.
its been 8 months and havent had any probs with my back.
Since then she has fixed my knee from my bike crash (torn ligament) and has almost fixed my ac joint in my shoulder.
:2thumbsup :2thumbsup

[MSTRS]

Well yesterday I went for physio on my neck and he decided to use both thumbs to put pressure on left side of my neck cos that side has been slower to heal. I was pretty sore afterwards, but it was nothing compared to how it is today. Basically I'm back to square one after four weeks of healing - can't move neck round to left or tilt up and down. I can get an appointment with an osteopath tomorrow, but just wondering if anyone knows anyone really good in south Auckland who can fix up this physio's f$@k up. Bear in mind I live in Papakura and will have to walk there or get a taxi. I haven't rung the physio yet to tell him what a knobwit he is.
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Physios :angry: :angry: :angry: waste of time & money. I suggest you ring a Naturopath (most of them will diagnose your problem & recommend appropriate treatment free in my experience) You could ring Peter Berben 025 247 7845 - he is a Sports Naturopath & should be able to help. Failing that, you might like to try a Chiropractor. They are also looked down on by the medical profession (& Hitcher?) but one of them fixed a problem in my wife's back/neck in a matter of weeks. She had had the problem for 20yrs !!!! & it's not recurred since (that was about 7yrs ago) :2thumbsup :2thumbsup

[vifferman]

Physios :angry: :angry: :angry: waste of time & money. I suggest you ring a Naturopath (most of them will diagnose your problem & recommend appropriate treatment free in my experience) You could ring Peter Berben 025 247 7845 - he is a Sports Naturopath & should be able to help. Failing that, you might like to try a Chiropractor. They are also looked down on by the medical profession (& Hitcher?) but one of them fixed a problem in my wife's back/neck in a matter of weeks. She had had the problem for 20yrs !!!! & it's not recurred since (that was about 7yrs ago) :2thumbsup :2thumbsupNo comment.

Apart from that one.
Oh yeah - and that one too.
And also that.
And the preceding one.
And...

[James Deuce]

Physios :angry: :angry: :angry: waste of time & money. I suggest you ring a Naturopath (most of them will diagnose your problem & recommend appropriate treatment free in my experience) You could ring Peter Berben 025 247 7845 - he is a Sports Naturopath & should be able to help. Failing that, you might like to try a Chiropractor. They are also looked down on by the medical profession (& Hitcher?) but one of them fixed a problem in my wife's back/neck in a matter of weeks. She had had the problem for 20yrs !!!! & it's not recurred since (that was about 7yrs ago) :2thumbsup :2thumbsup
What's that duck noise?

[crashe]

Thats not good news to hear at all...

Hope that you can sort ya neck out real soon.....

Living in South Auckland.... now why did I think that you lived in West Auckland out Titirangi / Glen Eden way?

[Lucyloo]

Failing that, you might like to try a Chiropractor. They are also looked down on by the medical profession (& Hitcher?) but one of them fixed a problem in my wife's back/neck in a matter of weeks. She had had the problem for 20yrs !!!! & it's not recurred since (that was about 7yrs ago) :2thumbsup :2thumbsup

Hurrumph!
Don't get me started on chiropractors....too late, you have....I very mis-guidedly (if there is such a word) went to a Chiro for 6 months...didn't get any better...in fact I ended up in more pain than I started with. Was talked into trying an osteo. I might just be very lucky, but he had me free of pain in 2 sessions and "cured" in 6 session! Can't speak highly enough of him, and wouldn't go anywhere else.

[vifferman]

mis-guidedlyTry "misguidedly".
Or not. :wacko:

[Lucyloo]

Try "misguidedly".
Or not. :wacko:

I'll try anything once ;)

[MSTRS]

Seems everyone can knock one or more of the professions. Could it be that said profession(al)s are like KBers - not all can be excellent riders regardless of the bike they ride?? :innocent:

[vifferman]

I'll try anything once ;)Stop teasing. I have a very low tolerance to innuendo. :wacko:

[vifferman]

Seems everyone can knock one or more of the professions. Could it be that said profession(al)s are like KBers - not all can be excellent riders regardless of the bike they ride?? :innocent:While what you say sounds reasonable and is probably true, if you're talking about physios, naturopaths and the like as "professionals", then they are not such, by the traditional meaning of the term.

[Lucyloo]

Stop teasing. I have a very low tolerance to innuendo. :wacko:
Teasing?....not me! :)

[vifferman]

Teasing?....not me! :)Well... winking, then.
That was definitely a winky thing.

I have a low tolerance to innuendo, winking, and teasing.:o

[Lucyloo]

Well... winking, then.
That was definitely a winky thing.

I have a low tolerance to innuendo, winking, and teasing.:o

sorry, I had something in my eye.......
and if I had something inmyendo I'd prossibly, although not necessarily, have a low tolerance too :laugh:

[vifferman]

sorry, I had something in my eye.......
and if I had something inmyendo I'd prossibly, although not necessarily, have a low tolerance too :laugh:Well... it's probably more correct to say susceptibility than tolerance. Except when inebriated, then it's very difficult to say correctly.

[Lucyloo]

Well... it's probably more correct to say susceptibility than tolerance. Except when inebriated, then it's very difficult to say correctly.

I can't speak (or type) properly when I'm sober...there's no hope for me..... :wacko:

Is it 5 o'clock yet????
I want to go home!
I've had enough of this work malarky!

[vifferman]

I can't speak (or type) properly when I'm sober...there's no hope for me..... :wacko:

Is it 5 o'clock yet????
I want to go home!
I've had enough of this work malarky!Yeah, me too.
I'm going very shortlyish (it's drinkies here now/soon, but I'm gonna go home instead).

This is my 63rd post today, and I've done zero work. :disapint:

[Lucyloo]

Yeah, me too.
I'm going very shortlyish (it's drinkies here now/soon, but I'm gonna go home instead).

This is my 63rd post today, and I've done zero work. :disapint:

Not up to your very impressive total...but not a lot of work done here either....
This site is way too addictive!

[ajturbo]

physio's.....

one laid me out on a bed, did her "magic" on me.. i couldn't walk for 2 days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hurt my back like never before!!

keep up with the ky/tens machine matey!... YOU know how strong to aply it!
keep working on it ...GENTLY! and give it

TIME

to heal

andy

[Ms Piggy]

time and gentle exercise are the only things that work. That and a calm mental outlook, free of depair and aggravation. If people push your button and make you upset, stay away from them. It is seriously the best treatment for your injury.
What about hot bubble baths & tlc from that man of hers? ;)

Take care of yourself dearie - stink that you're in a lot of pain.

[Yokai]

How dya make contact with this dude. --I want all the help I can get lol
www.sportsmed.net.nz - look for Mike Ellis... tell him you know a couple of Ultimate players...

[aff-man]

How dya make contact with this dude. --I want all the help I can get lol

I got his celly number. (i think it's still the saem will txt and find out) and if so i can pass it on. Also say that i sent ya.... hahahahaha mt whole alignment is pretty rooted so he'll know me hahahahahaha

[Wonko]

John Pearce
Ph 529 2754
196 Manukau Road

Great naturalpath(sp?) and he tell's you exactly what he's doing to you. I cannot recommend him highly enough. Had pain while lifting my left shoulder above level after my bin. Had been told by a training physio friend that I had a pinched nerve in the shoulder joint, but she couldn't fix it, and to see a physio.

John told me it was in my neck after seeing my movements and had it fixed in 10 min's. :third:

Also ask him about Oxygen therapy for quicker healing of soft tissue injuries.

[James Deuce]

Also ask him about Oxygen therapy for quicker healing of soft tissue injuries.

An excellent way of killing retina.

[Drunken Monkey]

Hurrumph!
Don't get me started on chiropractors....too late, you have....I very mis-guidedly (if there is such a word) went to a Chiro for 6 months...didn't get any better...in fact I ended up in more pain than I started with. Was talked into trying an osteo. I might just be very lucky, but he had me free of pain in 2 sessions and "cured" in 6 session! Can't speak highly enough of him, and wouldn't go anywhere else.

Not all types of treatments work for all types of people, that's why we have these different options. It's no different to prescription drugs - some will work well for you, others can have an adverse effect.
I've had excellent results with my Chiropractor. I still get regular check ups and adjustments, plus advice for changes in my exercise routines. I've subsequently had worse accidents than my original one, often with no or little effect.
I also joked with my physio (for a different injury) about the 'placebo' effect of the ultra-sound, but he did strap my wrist so I couldn't accidentally move it in the position that caused pain (which I was doing a lot). And I didn't think $10 for a session was expensive at all. Granted, that may have been 'mates rates', as he was a good friend of my flatmate.

[scroter]

after my spill about a month ago ive been doing fisio for my shoulder.

well chop me off at the knees and call me tripod bloody hell its good.

cause ive never really noticed much pain even when i did it. more just restriction of movement. but hell im impressed with what they have acheived in such a short space of time. kinda confusing though im almost back to lifting full weights but still cant throw a ball for shite.

anyway good luck with the healing process and i hope it all works out.

[magnum]

hi,physio worked great for me,also tried acupunture.ask your doctor for diclofenic,its an antiinflamitory and has worked wonders for me in the past[back/neck].good luck and heal fast. :ride: ps scroter throws worse than a girl with no arms. :laugh: :kick:

[Storm]

Hope you find a good doc and get back to rolling your neck free and easy. After all, there is a jelly/mud wrestling match sometime in your future is there not? :first:

[Riff Raff]

Hope you find a good doc and get back to rolling your neck free and easy. After all, there is a jelly/mud wrestling match sometime in your future is there not? :first:
:o :o :o
Went to osteopath today and she was great - very gentle. It's going to take a little while to undo the damage the physio did - osteo was absolutely flabbergasted when I told her - but I'll get there.

[MSTRS]

:o :o :o
Went to osteopath today and she was great - very gentle. It's going to take a little while to undo the damage the physio did - osteo was absolutely flabbergasted when I told her - but I'll get there.
Good to hear. Alcamahol is good too

[Riff Raff]

Good to hear. Alcamahol is good too
Funny you should say that... why hello Mr Bacardi and coke....

[MSTRS]

Funny you should say that... why hello Mr Bacardi and coke....
Bar.....wot? Try some Glenheidaich :killingme :killingme

[Yokai]

Good to hear. Alcamahol is good too
Unfortunately it ain't good. It prevents healing in muscle tissues. With ligament/tendon connections it can exacerbate things too much. If you are going to the physio, or osteo - avoid alcohol for 24hours before and after the appointment... It'll speed recovery.

SM?!! where are you on this thread!

[MSTRS]

Unfortunately it ain't good. It prevents healing in muscle tissues. With ligament/tendon connections it can exacerbate things too much. If you are going to the physio, or osteo - avoid alcohol for 24hours before and after the appointment... It'll speed recovery.

!
You are joking ?? One of the keys to speedy recovery is appropriate excercise of the affected muscles AND relaxation of same. I have always found excercise in looking around for the bottle of medicine, then administering said medicine. With the correct amount, even my bones relax :thud: :killingme

[vifferman]

hi,physio worked great for me,also tried acupunture.ask your doctor for diclofenic,its an antiinflamitory and has worked wonders for me in the past[back/neck].good luck and heal fast.
Mebbe.
It's also not good for your heart (haven't you read the news lately about anti-inflammatories implicated in heart attacks etc.?) or your digestive system (can cause damage to stomach lining and intestinal bleeding.)