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CB ARGH

2nd July 2008, 08:42

Hey

Just got an email from the person I purchased the motorbike off. Turns out he doesn't have access to the "Assessors Report", which is held by the insurance company who wrote the bike off.

I have been told by "Alex", a person who Frosty recommended that we need this "Assessors Report", however the seller of my motorcycle seems to think that I don't.

HELP!

Gubb

2nd July 2008, 08:48

As long as everything on it gets fixed, and it meets WOF standards, I shouldn't imagine that you'd need a bit of paper telling you what was wrong with it.

CB ARGH

2nd July 2008, 09:10

Quote from the guy I brought it off:

I do not have access to the assessors report for the bike so will be
unable to send this through. The assessors report is not required for
getting the bike re-vinned, the Engineer who certifies the bike will do
his own assessment of it before issuing you the certificate

sinfull

2nd July 2008, 09:24

Yeah it aint needed But ! With insurance jobs you need a certified engineer (sounds like the guy frosty put ya on to) just tell him its been lost or get hold of the insurance co and see if they have it on record !
Alex prolly wants it to find what damage was done in accident and has been repaired (or he might have to do a strip down)
Mine was pretty obvious that it was all cosmetic damage and i never had a report ! So he had it for a few days and checked it out, took it to a bike shop to had brakes measured etc 300 notes including 100 bike shop bill ! Then 600 notes for the revinning and reg !
you will need a declaration from the cops that its clear with them too ! ya get all the forms from vtnz for the cops and engineer ect !
Lot of hoop jumping , i can tell ya !

nodrog

2nd July 2008, 09:33

this is one of the comments off a star insurance auction off trademe, this guy will be able to help you.

Hi Nick, just to let any BIDDERS know, I am able to complete a structural report for this bike for them, so they have an idea as to the actual cost of repair (i.e. repair a component rather then replace it). Anyone interested would need to contact me on 021 725717 before 5pm Friday 27th. Also I am able to complete the LTNZ308 Repair Cert and Brake Dec, to meet the requirements for LTNZ to get that de-registered bike back on the road! Good luck with the Auction!

slimjim

2nd July 2008, 09:36

also insurance company's AREN"T testing station's , insurance report is generally writting out by bike shop along with their insurance policy fitting all new shit total price cost.=... not vehicle unroadyworthess..... so try the testing station first and ask if a report has been filed against the bike .... if not well bike need's only too be taking through

R6_kid

2nd July 2008, 10:25

I didn't need one for my GSXR1000K3 - it was Alex that did my frame cert in the end though.

You may just be confused - it needs a repair certificate to say that it is all straight and true and has no remaining structural damage.

The write up the insurance companies get 'repairers' to complete is for their own purposes to prove that i was not worth repairing and should instead be written off.

vgcspares

2nd July 2008, 12:55

Definitely No (and voted that way too) been through this one - the best bets I know of are Gil Tuffin or Alex Gee - they check the bike's straight from all angles and if happy with the whole deal then will issue a repair cert which is all the testing station needs to re-VIN it. 'Course a brake cert got from them will save some time too. The only grief you should ever suffer is the testing stations always ignore the model year and go off the year of manufacture ...

CB ARGH

3rd July 2008, 09:14

I have booked for Alex to come around and certify the bike. Doesn't sound like I ned an assessor's report. However I will have to wait until it's back on the road to give the right answer. Cheers for your help guys.

Patch

3rd July 2008, 14:32

bungbung

3rd July 2008, 14:40

Those repair certs etc are bullshit.

According to the Head honcho @ VTNZ, Mt Wgtn, when I saw him, he stated not required. All he needs to see is the paper trail of ownership which proves you actually own/purchased the machine.

They will then charge you a fee (2hundy something) for assessment etc and re-vin it if required, then W.o.F it etc etc.

I think this depends on two things:

1. If the bike was deregistered by the insurance company due to damage (if not, then repair cert is not needed)
2. Then the bike is assessed. If the damage is below a certain threshold (e.g. just panel damage) then a repair cert would not be needed. I'm not sure who would make this decision, I would assume it would be the guy who writes out repair certs, and he would need to see the bike before any repairs had been done.

Otherwise, you'll need a repair cert and maybe a brake declaration depending on the bike.

Patch

3rd July 2008, 14:55

I think this depends on two things:

1. If the bike was deregistered by the insurance company due to damage (if not, then repair cert is not needed)
2. Then the bike is assessed. If the damage is below a certain threshold (e.g. just panel damage) then a repair cert would not be needed. I'm not sure who would make this decision, I would assume it would be the guy who writes out repair certs, and he would need to see the bike before any repairs had been done.

Otherwise, you'll need a repair cert and maybe a brake declaration depending on the bike.
Its depends on what the testing officer finds during his assessment. You pay the fee anyway, so why pay for a repair cert when you are not required too. It all hinges on what the testing officer puts in his assessment.

An insurance company will write off a vehicle to protect their bottom line, regardless of any structural damage if any at all. With today's pos jap sickles, it ain't hard to inflate the repair bill.

Over use of engineer reports and repair certs are another way of drumming up business. Common sense is required. Proof of ownership is required. An engineer's report is required if the Testing Officer require's one to complete his assessment.

If in doubt, visit the VTNZ officer who will be performing your assessment and ask. Don't think, ask those who tick the boxes.

bungbung

3rd July 2008, 15:04

An insurance company will write off a vehicle to protect their bottom line, regardless of any structural damage if any at all. With today's pos jap sickles, it ain't hard to inflate the repair bill.

That is different to being deregistered due to accident damage. Lots of damaged bikes are written off and sold with plates. If the bike has been dereged due to damage, VTNZ will want a repair cert.

This is my experience in attempting to get an accident damaged bike back on the road. If the certifying guy hasn't had a chance to see the bike in it's damaged state the he will want the assessment report so that he can see what areas to focus on. Of course he doesn't legally need it.

Matt_TG

3rd July 2008, 17:56

I;ll write you up a report, what do ya want it to say?

.... just kidding, my jobs' worth more than that to me, but I could and it wouldn't be worth shit, it needs to be certed after being fixed. The certifier should be skilled enough to check if it's safe, without being told where to look first - that's his job :)

Patch

4th July 2008, 09:09

That is different to being deregistered due to accident damage. Lots of damaged bikes are written off and sold with plates. If the bike has been dereged due to damage, VTNZ will want a repair cert.

This is my experience in attempting to get an accident damaged bike back on the road. If the certifying guy hasn't had a chance to see the bike in it's damaged state the he will want the assessment report so that he can see what areas to focus on. Of course he doesn't legally need it.
WTF are on u about??? can I see your cert. for posting complete dribble?

The certifier should be skilled enough to check if it's safe, without being told where to look first - that's his job :)
the only thing you should be telling a monkey is where the peanuts are.

You gullible lot can go paying for repair certs if ya want. Be my guest.

bungbung

4th July 2008, 12:16

WTF are on u about??? can I see your cert. for posting complete dribble?

the only thing you should be telling a monkey is where the peanuts are.

You gullible lot can go paying for repair certs if ya want. Be my guest.

As I said, this is my experience trying to get a write-off back on the road.

The local cert guy has been to the shop that assessed the original damage and has viewed the report. Your experience obviously differs.

This is the third bike I've had re-registered, and this one has been a lot of trouble. I understand the rules have changed recently with regard to repair certs.

Conquiztador

4th July 2008, 16:36

The bikes I have got back on the road after they have been de-registered I have done the following:

1. Fixed up so all work and is OK for WOF. Where she is post 1990 and have discs she needs a cretificate stating that the brakes are OK, cost about $100.
2. Got a written statement from Police (form from VTNZ) saying that she is sweet and they have no claims on her.
3. Booked a time at VTNZ to get her back in the system.
4. Turned up on the day with a tidy bike
5. Paid my fees ($200 odd) and been given my new number plate and the WOF.
6. Paid the Rego for minimum of 5 months.
7 And away I go.

Never has anyone asked if she has been in a crash, and I have certanly NOT told them!!!

bungbung

4th July 2008, 16:58

Never has anyone asked if she has been in a crash, and I have certanly NOT told them!!!

If they've been deregistered they can be flagged as accident damaged in the LTSA database. I think the rules changed about 18 months ago regarding repair certs and what-not.

Conquiztador

4th July 2008, 23:02

If they've been deregistered they can be flagged as accident damaged in the LTSA database. I think the rules changed about 18 months ago regarding repair certs and what-not.

U might be right. The bikes I have gotten my hands on are normally older ones that have been out of the system for a few years. In some cases even if she has a plate on her they can not find her in the system at all.

Ixion

4th July 2008, 23:06

Yes. a while ago (couple years ?) they tightened up on vehicles that have been written off specifically as a result of a crash. Basically assume the chassis/frame is bent etc, until you prove it isn't. Not really aimed at bikes but we get caught up as usual. Doesn't apply to deregistered just cos someone didn't renew it cases.

CB ARGH

7th July 2008, 15:19

Oh god...

Not good news. Alex came over today and checked out the bike. It's not straight. It's bent. FUCK!!! :crybaby:

I have a gay motorcycle!!! :scooter:

Both the wheels were parallel to the ground, however the wheels were not in line with each other, which sucks hard.

His diagnosis is that the swingarms were out of place by 7mm... 7mm? FUCK

Not in a good mood, not angry, just sad. That my baby won't be on the road for some time. :bye: