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Hitcher
3rd July 2008, 11:53
Holy multiple orgasms, Batman! Those Italians have been at it again...

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/01july08_2008mvagusta_f4_1078.htm

FJRider
3rd July 2008, 12:01
Good vibrations there ROBIN...

MD
3rd July 2008, 18:26
MV wasted a golden opportunity to break the 1:1 power to weight ratio with this bike.
190hp on 193kg ...so close but no prize...again :doh:

All they had to do was lose a few kilograms, not a big ask with 193kg to start with. Surely after about 5 or 6 years revamping the same base model they could shave a few pounds off! The MVs were a bit too heavy in 2004 but now are positively obese next to the others fresh out of Jenny Craig school. To ignore such an obvious "needs improvement" tag four years later would see people sacked at other firms.

And the dash layout is well overdue for a revamp.

Still a looker though.

JeremyW
3rd July 2008, 18:41
MV wasted a golden opportunity to break the 1:1 power to weight ratio with this bike.
190hp on 193kg ...so close but no prize...again :doh:

All they had to do was lose a few kilograms, not a big ask with 193kg to start with. Surely after about 5 or 6 years revamping the same base model they could shave a few pounds off! The MVs were a bit too heavy in 2004 but now are positively obese next to the others fresh out of Jenny Craig school. To ignore such an obvious "needs improvement" tag four years later would see people sacked at other firms.

And the dash layout is well overdue for a revamp.

Still a looker though.

Stop all the hating....

Coyote
3rd July 2008, 18:46
Still a beautiful bike fo' sho'

But you would've though they'd revise the look by now, bar another coat of paint. At least to keep the previous bikes looking more exclusive.

MVnut
3rd July 2008, 18:49
Just wait til you ride one..........and MD...one of, if not The best dash around. That hp figure will be pretty accurate too seeing it's the 200 hp engine. I could tell you the rev ceiling but I won't :headbang::banana:

doc
3rd July 2008, 19:00
There is a rumour that HD has purchased MV. That will provide the emphasis for change. Don't know about chrome on MV tho

MD
3rd July 2008, 19:04
Hey don't get me wrong, I like them.. a lot. Had a fair few rides on MVs.

I just find it disappointing that they have not taken the time to address, what to me seem like simple improvements, after so many years.

AllanB
3rd July 2008, 19:14
All they had to do was lose a few kilograms

Looking at those wheels I'd be worried a good whack of throttle would snap the rear rim off at the hub :shit:

HD purchasing MV - hmm lets hope they are a silent partner

Big Dave
3rd July 2008, 19:20
HD purchasing MV - hmm lets hope they are a silent partner

They could teach them PLENTY about fit & finish.

McJim
3rd July 2008, 19:26
MV wasted a golden opportunity to break the 1:1 power to weight ratio with this bike.
190hp on 193kg ...so close but no prize...again :doh:
.
Bear in mind if this had been a jappa the hp would have been measured somewhere impossible and they would have quoted near 210hp (they would also have given the dry weight with no fuel, no oil, no coolant and an empty suspension system too) :rofl:

dangerous
3rd July 2008, 19:33
MV wasted a golden opportunity to break the 1:1 power to weight ratio with this bike.
190hp on 193kg ...so close but no prize...again :doh:
Ahh but you can buy a 220hp engine, so its been dun n dusted a long time ago... but having riden a 170hp? MV, 200 is farking nuts :wari:

doc
3rd July 2008, 19:36
And the dash layout is well overdue for a revamp.


Smpl is what it is. The experience is like nothing else you will ever ride.

MVnut
3rd July 2008, 19:41
They could teach them PLENTY about fit & finish.

Which way round is that Big D? I think the Americans in general (bikes and cars), the finish is extremely good, but in my own experience the MVs are at the top as well. Yes there are several rumours, the reality will be told shortly. And to answer the weight question, MV are capable of losing quite a bit more weight from stock, eg. my Tamburini is 21kg down on the standard 1000. By the way Big D, if your in Chch, come ride some of my toys, most are Italian tho, excet for the oldies, they're It. and Jap.

imdying
3rd July 2008, 19:54
They both do some pretty fine work... if they keep doing what they're good at, whilst sharing some tech knowledge, it'll be one happy family that's for sure :)

Sue VFR
3rd July 2008, 20:11
OH NO ! I really like it.... :yeah:

MVnut
3rd July 2008, 20:17
OH NO ! I really like it.... :yeah:

Another MV convert:2thumbsup

skidMark
3rd July 2008, 20:17
Which way round is that Big D? I think the Americans in general (bikes and cars), the finish is extremely good, but in my own experience the MVs are at the top as well. Yes there are several rumours, the reality will be told shortly. And to answer the weight question, MV are capable of losing quite a bit more weight from stock, eg. my Tamburini is 21kg down on the standard 1000. By the way Big D, if your in Chch, come ride some of my toys, most are Italian tho, excet for the oldies, they're It. and Jap.


If he doesnt take you up on that offer....can i?

MVnut
3rd July 2008, 20:27
If he doesnt take you up on that offer....can i?

Come on Big D, help me out here :lol::lol:.... you know what they say Mark, anything's possible (not necessarily probable, but possible), maybe you could ride my Motard first, when the weather heats up we could have a run over the Banks Peninsular.

dangerous
3rd July 2008, 20:38
If he doesnt take you up on that offer....can i?Remember that Big Dave is a seasoned rider, his job involves riding verious bikes in verious conditions... its not something to take lightley and hes a old bugger with time in the saddle and experance to boot, sorry fella.




Come on Big D, help me out here :lol::lol:.... you know what they say Mark, anything's possible (not necessarily probable, but possible), maybe you could ride my Motard first, when the weather heats up we could have a run over the Banks Peninsular.

Of course due to his age, insurance could be a problem

doc
3rd July 2008, 20:38
They both do some pretty fine work... if they keep doing what they're good at, whilst sharing some tech knowledge, it'll be one happy family that's for sure :)

So are you meaning a Softail Senna or maybe a Brutale with forward controls and apes.

I agree that both are good

MVnut
3rd July 2008, 20:44
Remember that Big Dave is a seasoned rider, his job involves riding verious bikes in verious conditions... its not something to take lightley and hes a old bugger with time in the saddle and experance to boot, sorry fella.





Of course due to his age, insurance could be a problem

If I let SM ride an MV, I think insurance would be non-existant. But I would let him have a run on the motard.

dangerous
3rd July 2008, 20:46
If I let SM ride an MV, I think insurance would be non-existant. But I would let him have a run on the motard.
LOL.. actually I was just reading my own quote... how the hell did I ever get a ride on a MV then :shifty:

MVnut
3rd July 2008, 20:48
LOL.. actually I was just reading my own quote... how the hell did I ever get a ride on a MV then :shifty:

Pure luck mate bwahahahahahaha

FilthyLuka
3rd July 2008, 20:51
Well it certainly looks... like every single other MV Agusta F4 ever made...

Still damn sexy though :devil2:

MVnut
3rd July 2008, 20:54
Well it certainly looks... like every single other MV Agusta F4 ever made...

Still damn sexy though :devil2:

That's the whole point of the design, small refinements (worked pretty well for the Porsche 911)

Sensei
3rd July 2008, 20:56
To me Italian is about V-Twin power spending all that money & still having a Inline-4 doesn't seem right might as well buy a Jappa :(

dangerous
3rd July 2008, 20:56
That's the whole point of the design, small refinements (worked pretty well for the Porsche 911)

funny how the old new head lights on the 911 were not liked...

dangerous
3rd July 2008, 21:00
To me Italian is about V-Twin power spending all that money & still having a Inline-4 doesn't seem right might as well buy a Jappa :(

YES YES true... but the MV Tam for example has as much if not more power down low than ya best RSV, I never thought Id say a muility has so much torque, and remember the F4 engine is as narrow as the 916.

doc
3rd July 2008, 21:02
To me Italian is about V-Twin power spending all that money & still having a Inline-4 doesn't seem right might as well buy a Jappa :(

I thought "beating a hasty retreat' was more the Italian way. Ducatis are sooooo common

MVnut
3rd July 2008, 21:08
To me Italian is about V-Twin power spending all that money & still having a Inline-4 doesn't seem right might as well buy a Jappa :(
I already got the best Jappa multis mate, the MVs are quite different to a modern Jappa, yes more money but for me, worth their weight in gold

LOL.. actually I was just reading my own quote... how the hell did I ever get a ride on a MV then :shifty:

I think you're after a ride on the Guzzt eh?? :woohoo:

MVnut
3rd July 2008, 21:10
I thought "beating a hasty retreat' was more the Italian way. Ducatis are sooooo common

You been watching John Cleese reruns again Doc?:laugh:

Big Dave
3rd July 2008, 22:06
Cheers MVnut,
Had a few good burns on MV F4s. Marvelous surge.

I just mean things like on that Senna - it's all stickers - like...stickers!

You compare that to Harley paint and the lustre they get on some of the customs - they could teach 'em somethin.

Big Dave
3rd July 2008, 22:13
I'm covered by Kiwi Rider insurance as long as I get the gig approved.

My problem is I'm too big for them, but you know 'racing' Dave would get more value/a better test from your kind offer. And he lives in Chchc.

He's on KB too. See if I can find him.

AllanB
3rd July 2008, 22:17
it's all stickers - like...stickers!

You compare that to Harley paint and the lustre they get on some of the customs - they could teach 'em somethin.


Stickers, hmm for the price of one of those I'd expect the graphics to have been hand painted by carefully trained castrated Italian men (you can't have an attack of the horny shake their hands :nono:).

dangerous
4th July 2008, 06:23
'racing' Dave would get more value/a better test from your kind offer. And he lives in Chchc.

He's on KB too. See if I can find him.

Hey Dave.. pipe down will ya, or you will have me loosing my position on 'team test MV/MG' :scooter:

TonyB
4th July 2008, 06:55
All they had to do was lose a few kilograms, not a big ask with 193kg to start with. Surely after about 5 or 6 years revamping the same base model they could shave a few pounds off! The MVs were a bit too heavy in 2004 but now are positively obese next to the others fresh out of Jenny Craig school. To ignore such an obvious "needs improvement" tag four years later would see people sacked at other firms.
I wonder if its 193kg dry or wet? Dry weight quotes are a load of festering crap- what use is a bike that has no oil, petrol, coolant, battery fluid, fork oil etc? You take a bike from a manufacturer that claims a nice light dry weight and then add all the fluids you need to actually USE it and I bet it makes it look a lot less inspiring.

Sanx
4th July 2008, 09:15
Well, given the MV 312R weighed 213kg ready to ride when measured by AMCN, with 10kg of fuel, I'm guessing the 193kg is dry weight. By comparison, the 08 Fireblade was 195kg.

boomer
4th July 2008, 09:51
Well, given the MV 312R weighed 213kg ready to ride when measured by AMCN, with 10kg of fuel, I'm guessing the 193kg is dry weight. By comparison, the 08 Fireblade was 195kg.

By comparison...??!!! ahhaha you cant compare a blade to a MV and keep a 'straight' face....!!! :crazy:

Excuse the Pun.:buggerd:

very very nice indeed, and not as common as the Ducati's.

Patch
4th July 2008, 10:16
By comparison...??!!! ahhaha you cant compare a blade to a MV and keep a 'straight' face....!!! :crazy:
:stupid:






.........

Big Dave
4th July 2008, 10:40
Hey Dave.. pipe down will ya, or you will have me loosing my position on 'team test MV/MG' :scooter:

Episode 4/7 in which big dave shuts up.

FilthyLuka
4th July 2008, 11:15
Dry weight quotes are a load of festering crap- what use is a bike that has no oil, petrol, coolant, battery fluid, fork oil etc?

Probably a fairly good indication of how the bike stacks up weight wise againsts others? I mean, bikes hold different amounts of petrol, fork oil, brake fluid, motoroil. Too many variables, not to mention if it pulls a norton and starts leaking on you.

When it comes to comparisons between bikes, i reckon dry weight is alot more usefull

Big Dave
4th July 2008, 13:59
Well I just had a dribble on the Corsa they have on the floor at motomail.

Excellent paint, fit and finish. As you would expect.
Seems it was just that one model Senna.

kiwifruit
4th July 2008, 14:10
Episode 4/7 in which big dave shuts up.

<img src="http://i25.tinypic.com/x1df1k.jpg">

Big Dave
4th July 2008, 14:18
I get paid by the word.

nodrog
4th July 2008, 14:24
When it comes to comparisons between bikes, i reckon dry weight is alot more usefull

so if you ordered a dial-a-bride who said she was 45kg's, and she turns up on your doorstep tipping the scales at 90kg's, and she said "oh that was my weight, before i ingested a bakery" that would be acceptable, and would in no way impeed her performance?

imdying
4th July 2008, 14:29
so if you ordered a dial-a-bride who said she was 45kg's, and she turns up on your doorstep tipping the scales at 90kg's, and she said "oh that was my weight, before i ingested a bakery" that would be acceptable, and would in no way impeed her performance?That's a bit whack... they do tell you it's a dry weight... so if that hoe was advertised at '45kg before ingesting a bakery', then that'd be fine.

Big Dave
4th July 2008, 14:29
Just kidding. Dig at the banners not the poster.

<img src = "http://homepage.mac.com/david_cohen_design/.Pictures/misc2/tui.jpg">

nodrog
4th July 2008, 14:33
That's a bit whack... they do tell you it's a dry weight... so if that hoe was advertised at '45kg before ingesting a bakery', then that'd be fine.

so if you had 2 skinny bitches of equal performance, and one could take on board more pies than the other, who would win a race?

Big Dave
4th July 2008, 14:35
Imported American Basketball players have been known to shrink 5 inches in the plane.

nodrog
4th July 2008, 14:38
Imported American Basketball players have been known to shrink 5 inches in the plane.

well its prety cold at altitude.

Drew
4th July 2008, 14:41
What teh fuck, who actually cares buys a bike on figures alone?


The bike does look like all the others, and that looks good. How porky it is wouldn't bother me so long as I liked how it rode and went. (Working on the assumption that I had money...which I dont...so why post here...)

Fuck it I'm off..

imdying
4th July 2008, 14:42
so if you had 2 skinny bitches of equal performance, and one could take on board more pies than the other, who would win a race?Your analogies don't make any sense whatsoever. I do have a question for you though...

09 CBR1000 weighs 200kg with 20 litres of fuel
09 GSXR1000 weighs 200kg with 20 litres of fuel

To make their bike lighter than the competition, Suzuki takes 5 litres out of the tank size... Ok, it's lighter now, but are we better off?

Dry weight is always the best way to measure a bike.... strip that bitch right back to the bare minimum... take the air out of the tyres for all I care. At least that's a level playing field (as every manufacturer can take the same steps). In the end, so long as they're all measured in the same fashion (as the Japs all do from what I understand), then they're relative measurements and the actual value is essentially irrelevant.

imdying
4th July 2008, 14:43
What teh fuck, who actually cares buys a bike on figures alone?


The bike does look like all the others, and that looks good. How porky it is wouldn't bother me so long as I liked how it rode and went. (Working on the assumption that I had money...which I dont...so why post here...)Fooken eh.

Big Dave
4th July 2008, 14:43
What if the bike has a 90 litre fuel tank?

imdying
4th July 2008, 14:45
What if the bike has a 90 litre fuel tank?You've had too much shiny green bling for now... you'll keep though :yes:


/edit: I do find it a bit strange that here's a bike that's disgustingly fast... it'll blow the doors off most comers, and is designed to be a work of art when it's not being ridden... and people are worried about what it weighs??? It weighs enough to do a genuine 300km/hr, that's how much it weighs ;)

Drew
4th July 2008, 14:48
Most of the others posting dont have the cash either, so I'll carry on.

It is nothing more, than a marketing tool to publish the figures of the bike. Another tool to get us, (the punters) to ride them. Then we buy whatever we liked the most and got the best deal for.

Argueing the relevence of said figures is futile.

Drew
4th July 2008, 14:50
It weighs enough to do a genuine 300km/hr, that's how much it weighs ;)

Are you implying that other bikes dont do a genuine 300kph?

nodrog
4th July 2008, 14:50
Your analogies don't make any sense whatsoever. I do have a question for you though...

09 CBR1000 weighs 200kg with 20 litres of fuel
09 GSXR1000 weighs 200kg with 20 litres of fuel

To make their bike lighter than the competition, Suzuki takes 5 litres out of the tank size... Ok, it's lighter now, but are we better off?

Dry weight is always the best way to measure a bike.... strip that bitch right back to the bare minimum... take the air out of the tyres for all I care. At least that's a level playing field (as every manufacturer can take the same steps). In the end, so long as they're all measured in the same fashion (as the Japs all do from what I understand), then they're relative measurements and the actual value is essentially irrelevant.

im not talking about fuel, im talking about the shit that wont change, ie batteries, oil capacity etc. if both bikes start dry at the same weight and performance, then one holds an extra 10 kilos of fluids (not including fuel), its pretty obvious which one you would choose if you wanted maximum velocity.

imdying
4th July 2008, 14:55
Are you implying that other bikes dont do a genuine 300kph?No no, I'm just saying that it's so freakin fast that who gives a crap about a few kgs... As MVNut says, you want a lighter one, sure, they'll hook you up with a lighter one. Try that with your Suzuki dealer :lol:


im not talking about fuel, im talking about the shit that wont change, ie batteries, oil capacity etc. if both bikes start dry at the same weight and performance, then one holds an extra 10 kilos of fluids (not including fuel), its pretty obvious which one you would choose if you wanted maximum velocity.So they fit smaller batteries which makes them less reliable and shorter living. So they use less oil capacity which makes them less reliable and shorter living... etc etc etc... If you use a wet weight, that's what they'll do. Anywhere you've got fluids (cooling, fuel, oil, fork oil) more is almost always better... anywhere you've got oil, a reduction in capacity is a reduction in capacity for cooling/longevity etc.

Dry weight is a far better (for us) way to compare them.

boomer
4th July 2008, 15:08
im not talking about fuel, im talking about the shit that wont change, ie batteries, oil capacity etc. if both bikes start dry at the same weight and performance, then one holds an extra 10 kilos of fluids (not including fuel), its pretty obvious which one you would choose if you wanted maximum velocity.

not if your name was aff man and you didnt put any fluids in ya bike .. then raced it !!!



gordie.. your pushin shit up hill bro.. give it up!

Drew
4th July 2008, 15:38
No no, I'm just saying that it's so freakin fast that who gives a crap about a few kgs... As MVNut says, you want a lighter one, sure, they'll hook you up with a lighter one. Try that with your Suzuki dealer :lol:


Ask for a lighter GIXXER, and the folk at Suzuki will hand you the Yoshimura catalogue. The wheels that come on the light MV can be purchased for a GIXXER too, carbon fairings can be made. Not digging at the MV at all, they're awesome and I'd love one, just sayin they weight figures are irrelevent.

Also, gordon, there is NO CHANCE that one bike carries 10 kilos more fluids than the other. If it were water, (the heviest fluid your bike holds), 10 kilos is ten liters. 1 or 2 likos difference absolute max from fluid quantities I would imagine.

nodrog
4th July 2008, 15:54
....NO CHANCE that one bike carries 10 kilos more fluids than the other. If it were water, (the heviest fluid your bike holds), 10 kilos is ten liters. 1 or 2 likos difference absolute max from fluid quantities I would imagine.

10 litres was just a figure i used for an example. all im am saying is, if you were drag racing for example, and you had a choice of two bikes that were indentical in every way when they were dry, but ready to race one was heavier than the other, then you would go with the lighter bike, as you would have more power to weight. im not talking about reliability or anything else.

jrandom
4th July 2008, 16:00
<img src="http://i27.tinypic.com/20z2nnp.jpg"/>

:msn-wink:

Regarding the MV Agusta F4, it's an awesome bike, totally gorgeous and a little bit intimidating to ride, but the steering (at least on the original F4 1000S) is what I'd call 'ponderous' compared to current Jap thous.

I suspect that a lot of reviewers immediately link that in their minds with the weight difference.

Now, my 1400 weighs 30kg more, dry, than the F4, and with its new MX bars, doesn't need much beyond a particularly encouraging thought from me to flick from side to side. If you were transplanted from the saddle of a GSX1400 to the saddle of an F4 1078 and back again, you'd swear that the Suzuki was lighter.

Handling has plenty to do with geometry and suspension setup - total bike weight is only one factor.

I suspect that too much is being made of the weight difference between the F4 1078 and other superbikes, with riders who think they're feeling the weight difference actually just feeling the difference in the way the bikes are designed to handle.

Drew
4th July 2008, 16:03
10 litres was just a figure i used for an example. all im am saying is, if you were drag racing for example, and you had a choice of two bikes that were indentical in every way when they were dry, but ready to race one was heavier than the other, then you would go with the lighter bike, as you would have more power to weight. im not talking about reliability or anything else.

Drag racing yourself? Because even if you weigh exactly the same as the dude you're racing, you aint gonna ride the same.

It's academic man, you'd ride both, and pick whichever bike floated your boat more. The 2 kilos odd difference doesn't enter into it once you're rolling.

White trash
4th July 2008, 16:11
Well, it's very pretty and all that, but one day soon I may just be blessed enough to swing a leg over a mcahine that truly murders ANY MV in terms of performance, weight, speed, looks, sheer bloody exoticness (is that a word?)

Right here (http://www.ducati.com/od/ducatinorthamerica/en/bikes/model.jhtml?model=2394)

This is of course if I'm a good boy and prove I can last a couple of laps without biffing the bike I've got :)

Big Dave
4th July 2008, 16:12
Feelings! If Oscar can't get though you got no showshunshine.

jrandom
4th July 2008, 16:15
Feelings! If Oscar can't...

But Oscar *heart*s you, dude.

Big Dave
4th July 2008, 16:16
But Oscar *heart*s you, dude.

It's a one way street.

kiwifruit
4th July 2008, 16:30
If they made it lighter we'd complain when the frame snaps :pinch:

Big Dave
4th July 2008, 16:36
If they made it lighter we'd complain when the frame snaps :pinch:

At least the trend for smaller and smaller bikes seems to have stopped.

The current batch of litre bikes are more comfortable for normal size men than they were 5 years ago.

boomer
4th July 2008, 16:41
Well, it's very pretty and all that, but one day soon I may just be blessed enough to swing a leg over a mcahine that truly murders ANY MV in terms of performance, weight, speed, looks, sheer bloody exoticness (is that a word?)

Right here (http://www.ducati.com/od/ducatinorthamerica/en/bikes/model.jhtml?model=2394)

This is of course if I'm a good boy and prove I can last a couple of laps without biffing the bike I've got :)

Don't tell me that bald headed koot is daft enough to give you his ( the only one in teh country, waited over a year for and paid a kings randsome for ) Desmosedici RR...! he must love you bro ! :love:

boomer
4th July 2008, 16:42
The current batch of litre bikes are more comfortable for normal size men than they were 5 years ago.

And what would you know of 'this'...??!!! :lol:

Drew
4th July 2008, 16:44
:msn-wink:

Regarding the MV Agusta F4, it's an awesome bike, totally gorgeous and a little bit intimidating to ride, but the steering (at least on the original F4 1000S) is what I'd call 'ponderous' compared to current Jap thous.

I suspect that a lot of reviewers immediately link that in their minds with the weight difference.

Now, my 1400 weighs 30kg more, dry, than the F4, and with its new MX bars, doesn't need much beyond a particularly encouraging thought from me to flick from side to side. If you were transplanted from the saddle of a GSX1400 to the saddle of an F4 1078 and back again, you'd swear that the Suzuki was lighter.

Handling has plenty to do with geometry and suspension setup - total bike weight is only one factor.

I suspect that too much is being made of the weight difference between the F4 1078 and other superbikes, with riders who think they're feeling the weight difference actually just feeling the difference in the way the bikes are designed to handle.


NOBODY would get off the MV and say your fuckin whale was lighter! What the fuck is wrong with you? You say some of the dumbest shit I've ever read. So the MV turned a bit slow, (in your overwhelmingly race experienced opinion) very easily fixed by lifting the rear of the bike a few milimetres. And this is also reletive to the MV coming at corners a shit load quicker.

Why the hell did I click on "view post"? (Same principle as lookin at a train wreck I guess, I knew it'd be horrible, but couldn't look away. C'MON RICHARD:slap:

enigma51
4th July 2008, 16:44
At least the trend for smaller and smaller bikes seems to have stopped.

The current batch of litre bikes are more comfortable for normal size men than they were 5 years ago.

I must be huge then :girlfight:

Big Dave
4th July 2008, 16:45
And what would you know of 'this'...??!!! :lol:

Yerrrs - Only that I talked to The Ed about it day before yesterday.
And sat on the matte black and gold R1 we are testing at the end of the chat.

Big Dave
4th July 2008, 16:46
I must be huge then :girlfight:

It is why I didn't say 'me' dontchaknows.

Drew
4th July 2008, 16:47
Yerrrs - Only that I talked to The Ed about it day before yesterday.
And sat on the matte black and gold R1 we are testing at the end of the chat.

The R1 is without a doubt the roomiest of them though. Thought I was gonna drag the pegs when I first climbed on one, they feel that low.

boomer
4th July 2008, 16:49
NOBODY would get off the MV and say your fuckin whale was lighter! What the fuck is wrong with you? You say some of the dumbest shit I've ever read. So the MV turned a bit slow, (in your overwhelmingly race experienced opinion) very easily fixed by lifting the rear of the bike a few milimetres. And this is also reletive to the MV coming at corners a shit load quicker.

Why the hell did I click on "view post"? (Same principle as lookin at a train wreck I guess, I knew it'd be horrible, but couldn't look away. C'MON RICHARD:slap:

i think i weeeeed

Hitcher
4th July 2008, 16:50
I am wryly amused by comments about power-to-weight ratios for bikes that have shit-loads of the former and comparatively fuck-all of the latter. Where I come from, 10kg is the difference between lunch and dinner.

Most weights that manufacturers trumpet are dry weights -- including the rider too, I suspect. At one point I was almost twice the man that Valentino Rossi was. Even with that advantage, superbikes like the F4 have the ability to deliver infinity plus 2 more performance than I will ever need them to. Valentino, on the other hand, needs every advantage he can extract in order to compete with me.

jrandom
4th July 2008, 16:53
Why the hell did I click on "view post"?

I knew you wouldn't be able to resist.

Just like you won't be able to resist looking at this one.

:laugh:

I take it you've ridden an F4 and don't think that they 'feel a bit heavy', then? Do you really think that the Motorcycle Daily test rider would have written:

"Flicking the F4 from left to right you do need to use some of your own muscle, but it makes for a very involving ride."

if the bike hadn't had steering that was noticeably heavier than the current crop of Jappas?

The fact that I annoy the snot out of you doesn't necessarily mean that I'm wrong, y'know.

And, for that matter, I'd hate to think that your post, there, was an example of the great KB tradition of someone who hasn't ridden a particular bike ranting at the opinion of someone who has...

White trash
4th July 2008, 16:57
NOBODY would get off the MV and say your fuckin whale was lighter! What the fuck is wrong with you? You say some of the dumbest shit I've ever read. So the MV turned a bit slow, (in your overwhelmingly race experienced opinion) very easily fixed by lifting the rear of the bike a few milimetres. And this is also reletive to the MV coming at corners a shit load quicker.

Why the hell did I click on "view post"? (Same principle as lookin at a train wreck I guess, I knew it'd be horrible, but couldn't look away. C'MON RICHARD:slap:


I knew you wouldn't be able to resist.

Just like you won't be able to resist looking at this one.

:laugh:

I take it you've ridden an F4 and don't think that they 'feel a bit heavy', then? Do you really think that the Motorcycle Daily test rider would have written:

"Flicking the F4 from left to right you do need to use some of your own muscle, but it makes for a very involving ride."

if the bike hadn't had steering that was noticeably heavier than the current crop of Jappas?

The fact that I annoy the snot out of you doesn't necessarily mean that I'm wrong, y'know.

And, for that matter, I'd hate to think that your post, there, was an example of the great KB tradition of someone who hasn't ridden a particular bike ranting at the opinion of someone who has...

Fuck you two are funny.

Keep it up.:Punk:

Drew
4th July 2008, 17:03
I knew you wouldn't be able to resist.

Just like you won't be able to resist looking at this one.

:laugh:

I take it you've ridden an F4 and don't think that they 'feel a bit heavy', then? Do you really think that the Motorcycle Daily test rider would have written:

"Flicking the F4 from left to right you do need to use some of your own muscle, but it makes for a very involving ride."

if the bike hadn't had steering that was noticeably heavier than the current crop of Jappas?

The fact that I annoy the snot out of you doesn't necessarily mean that I'm wrong, y'know.

And, for that matter, I'd hate to think that your post, there, was an example of the great KB tradition of someone who hasn't ridden a particular bike ranting at the opinion of someone who has...

Yeah, I read it.

So really, you're just regurgitating the opinion of some test rider and think that comparing it to you're aircraft carrier means you're right?

I've ridden one, was fuckin fantastic, must have been setup by someone with a clue cos I thought turned FUCKIN SWEET. ( and although I've been crashing a bit of late from pushing too hard, I think I'd smoke your lard arse one handed.)

Similar principle to the K5 GSXR with it's stupidly relaxed fork rake from the factory I suggest. Assembled so that retards who fall off a bike that IS set up...dont.

This puts you one step up from a retard when riding a bike, the rest of the time...

jrandom
4th July 2008, 17:14
So really, you're just regurgitating the opinion of some test rider and think that comparing it to you're aircraft carrier means you're right?

No, I got a few kilometres in on kiwifruit's F4-1000S (while he had it) and formed one or two opinions of my own in that time.

Also,

(a) Have you ridden a GSX1400?

(b) If you have, and you still think they're shit, perhaps you should see what you think after a go on mine, with the stock suspension twiddled as best it can be, a 190/55 PP 2CT on the back and some Pro Taper bars up front.

Yes, you're still welcome to a thrash on my bike sometime, even after that little rant of yours.

:hug:


I've ridden one, was fuckin fantastic, must have been setup by someone with a clue cos I thought turned FUCKIN SWEET.

Well then, it's starting to sound like they come stock with not-so-great setup, isn't it?

The fact that they can be set up to turn well doesn't change my point - my point was that I don't think the weight difference means much, and that guys who bang on about it being a drawback after riding the bike are probably noticing the effects of geometry and suspension on handling, not weight.

Your assurance that they turn just fine after some setup tweaking really just validates that point, doesn't it?


I think I'd smoke your lard arse one handed.

Ewww, bro.

Firstly, that sounds like a job you'd need both hands for, and secondly, I could probably find something a bit nicer than that for you to smoke, OK?

Sounds like you could use a bit of it, too...

imdying
4th July 2008, 17:19
Ask for a lighter GIXXER, and the folk at Suzuki will hand you the Yoshimura catalogue. The wheels that come on the light MV can be purchased for a GIXXER too, carbon fairings can be made. Not digging at the MV at all, they're awesome and I'd love one, just sayin they weight figures are irrelevent.Heh, I agree... but it's not really the same :laugh: I'd be hitting that Yoshi Zero Fifty hard if I could... I think they built less than I have fingers and toes though :/


Well, it's very pretty and all that, but one day soon I may just be blessed enough to swing a leg over a mcahine that truly murders ANY MV in terms of performance, weight, speed, looks, sheer bloody exoticness (is that a word?)

Right here (http://www.ducati.com/od/ducatinorthamerica/en/bikes/model.jhtml?model=2394)This is a good time to point how much I hate you. You lucky lucky bastard you :P


I am wryly amused by comments about power-to-weight ratios for bikes that have shit-loads of the former and comparatively fuck-all of the latter. Where I come from, 10kg is the difference between lunch and dinner.Ain't that the truth :yes: Says the hypocrite that was pretty pleased to get his SVs subframe down to 1780 grams :whistle:.

Big Dave
4th July 2008, 17:31
Exnosticity.

Drew
4th July 2008, 17:40
No, I got a few kilometres in on kiwifruit's F4-1000S (while he had it) and formed one or two opinions of my own in that time.

Also,

(a) Have you ridden a GSX1400?

(b) If you have, and you still think they're shit, perhaps you should see what you think after a go on mine, with the stock suspension twiddled as best it can be, a 190/55 PP 2CT on the back and some Pro Taper bars up front.

Yes, you're still welcome to a thrash on my bike sometime, even after that little rant of yours.

:hug:



Well then, it's starting to sound like they come stock with not-so-great setup, isn't it?

The fact that they can be set up to turn well doesn't change my point - my point was that I don't think the weight difference means much, and that guys who bang on about it being a drawback after riding the bike are probably noticing the effects of geometry and suspension on handling, not weight.

Your assurance that they turn just fine after some setup tweaking really just validates that point, doesn't it?





Must be the way you put it then, cos I read it to say you rode the MV and most would compare it to yours as feeling heavy. Curious, as you never eluded to the weight being perspective.

No matter, I got the rant out of my system for another wee while. It was a coin toss between what you said and Sensei's wanking about twins. I might have faired better picking on him.


Ewww, bro.

Firstly, that sounds like a job you'd need both hands for, and secondly, I could probably find something a bit nicer than that for you to smoke, OK?

Sounds like you could use a bit of it, too...

Cant smoke nothin calming, puts me to sleep and I wake up shaved.:Oops:

Drew
4th July 2008, 17:45
Heh, I agree... but it's not really the same :laugh: I'd be hitting that Yoshi Zero Fifty hard if I could... I think they built less than I have fingers and toes though :/


Elaborate. I have no idea what that is, and cant find it when googling.

jrandom
4th July 2008, 17:48
Must be the way you put it then, cos I read it to say you rode the MV and most would compare it to yours as feeling heavy. Curious, as you never eluded to the weight being perspective.

Mebbe writing a post while trying to finish working on something of a Friday arvo ain't such a good idea for me, clarity-wise.

I know the idea in my mind at the time was that the likes of the Motorcycle Daily reviewer saying the bike felt 'heavy' and folk wanking on about power-to-weight ratios versus Jappas was a bit misdirected, and that anyone who thought the bike felt heavy to ride was almost certainly noticing the influence of stuff other than it's actual tipping-the-scales weight.

And, s'true, the GSX1400 turns surprisingly well (when set up right, of course). I guarantee you'll like it when you try it. I was using it as an example of a bike's weight not necessarily being the main factor in how nimble the handling feels.

MVnut
4th July 2008, 18:19
The AMCN shootout featured the 312R (998cc) this thread is about the312RR (a 1078cc beast) although the weights are pretty much identical, the RR has another 16hp. And I have not ridden a GSX1400 but I have ridden a lot of standard and 'limited' MVs, also a 312R (among others) at Hockenheim and they steer and tip in just fine thanks. Drew, when you racing down here next?? :2guns:

imdying
4th July 2008, 18:25
Elaborate. I have no idea what that is, and cant find it when googling.

My idea of a good time (http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=yoshimura+zero+fifty&btnG=Google+Search&meta=) :yes:

flame
4th July 2008, 18:51
The AMCN shootout featured the 312R (998cc) this thread is about the312RR (a 1078cc beast) although the weights are pretty much identical, the RR has another 16hp. And I have not ridden a GSX1400 but I have ridden a lot of standard and 'limited' MVs, also a 312R (among others) at Hockenheim and they steer and tip in just fine thanks. Drew, when you racing down here next?? :2guns:

Fricken gorgeous bikes! especially that one you have in your garage:drool: I rode a mates MV Senna last year and scared myself stupid at the ease it could corner.
Im kinda off topic here, coz its a 750,and aint the latest/greatest. but I think its one of MV's sexiest, and if I had the dosh i'd be hunting this one down for sure...
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-156769257.htm

boomer
4th July 2008, 18:53
Fricken gorgeous bikes! especially that one you have in your garrage:drool: I rode a mates MV Senna last year and scared myself stupid at the ease it could corner.
Im kinda off topic here, coz its a 750,I think its one of MV's sexiest, and if I had the dosh i'd be hunting this one down for sure...

what would you know.. you're a woman ????!!!!!



:dodge:

flame
4th July 2008, 18:56
what would you know.. you're a woman ????!!!!!



:dodge:

OMG.....I just checked...and YOUR RIGHT!:pinch:

I'll shudup now;)

Drew
4th July 2008, 19:12
My idea of a good time (http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=yoshimura+zero+fifty&btnG=Google+Search&meta=) :yes:

Oh those, yeah I've got two. Turned in a bit slow for me, I think it's too heavy, you can borrow one if ya like.

MVnut
4th July 2008, 19:28
This gets better by the minute. And Flame, I have a 750 Senna like the one you rode, awesome handler, possibly the best of the lot. When you and Drew are down next you can hit me up for a ride, we get Dangerous along and get 4 MVs to Akaroa. Maybe we :spanking: some Jappas:niceone: No:Police: invited.

Drew
4th July 2008, 19:30
This gets better by the minute. And Flame, I have a 750 Senna like the one you rode, awesome handler, possibly the best of the lot. When you and Drew are down next you can hit me up for a ride, we get Dangerous along and get 4 MVs to Akaroa. Maybe we :spanking: some Jappas:niceone: No:Police: invited.

Sounds friggin great buddy, we'll be there for sound of thunder again methinks, but it'd be cool to come down for the social thing before then.

flame
4th July 2008, 19:39
This gets better by the minute. And Flame, I have a 750 Senna like the one you rode, awesome handler, possibly the best of the lot. When you and Drew are down next you can hit me up for a ride, we get Dangerous along and get 4 MVs to Akaroa. Maybe we :spanking: some Jappas:niceone: No:Police: invited.

Aww thats wicked. You know Im gonna hold you to that eh!:yes: infact.....Im looking at the calendar right now and trying to sus a weekend early summer to ride down:woohoo:

dangerous
4th July 2008, 19:39
Sounds friggin great buddy, we'll be there for sound of thunder again methinks, but it'd be cool to come down for the social thing before then.

What about the greymouth street race man?
Hey we will meet MV and Flame at the pub aye, can compaire chicken strips or the lack off while we are waiting for them to catch up hehehehee... I bags Tambie :msn-wink:




oh and Drew, be here on a Fri or Tue and we can take the MGS01 to the track and out do each others lap times while Flame and MV have a coffee somewere ;)

skelstar
4th July 2008, 19:42
...we'll be there for sound of thunder again methinks, but it'd be cool to come down for the social thing before then.
*prays that its after 24 Feb next year*

MVnut
4th July 2008, 19:42
What about the greymouth street race man?
Hey we will meet MV and Flame at the pub aye, can compaire chicken strips or the lack off while we are waiting for them to catch up hehehehee... I bags Tambie :msn-wink:

Maybe you will be on the Tambie, but does that necessarily mean you'll get to the pub first and be waiting for me????????? :Punk:

flame
4th July 2008, 19:49
*prays that its after 24 Feb next year*

OI! your coming to SOT regardless buddy! (we be taking the van down for that one) and we NEED you there this time eh!

flame
4th July 2008, 19:49
Maybe you will be on the Tambie, but does that necessarily mean you'll get to the pub first and be waiting for me????????? :Punk:

.....nor MEEEEEeeee!

flame
4th July 2008, 19:51
What about the greymouth street race man?
Hey we will meet MV and Flame at the pub aye, can compaire chicken strips or the lack off while we are waiting for them to catch up hehehehee... I bags Tambie :msn-wink:




oh and Drew, be here on a Fri or Tue and we can take the MGS01 to the track and out do each others lap times while Flame and MV have a coffee somewere ;)

lol.....your asking for it now laddie;)

MVnut
4th July 2008, 20:09
.....nor MEEEEEeeee!

naturally ! We gotta stick together, they're gangin up on us:done:

MVnut
4th July 2008, 20:11
What about the greymouth street race man?
Hey we will meet MV and Flame at the pub aye, can compaire chicken strips or the lack off while we are waiting for them to catch up hehehehee... I bags Tambie :msn-wink:




oh and Drew, be here on a Fri or Tue and we can take the MGS01 to the track and out do each others lap times while Flame and MV have a coffee somewere ;)

If you p*ss me off any more I'm gonna hafta dust the cobwebs off the H2:beer:

Drew
4th July 2008, 20:19
AAAAWWWWWW YEEEEEEAAAHH, smack talkin about the MVs. This is my kinda thread now:laugh:

dangerous
4th July 2008, 20:28
If you p*ss me off any more I'm gonna hafta dust the cobwebs off the H2:beer:

What about a old sucker like the one in ya computer room... Id love to ride something thats older than me, The H2 isnt in the local shead tho aye?

Hey MV, guess what Im drinking as we type?

MVnut
4th July 2008, 20:34
What about a old sucker like the one in ya compuer room... Id love to ride something thats older than me, The H2 isnt in the local shead tho aye?

Hey MV, guess what Im drinking as we type?

Great minds think alike.......Nastro Azzurro :woohoo:

flame
4th July 2008, 20:46
If you p*ss me off any more I'm gonna hafta dust the cobwebs off the H2:beer:

...Is that the Kwaka H2? holy crap! you have one of them? thats wicked!!!! I can see D cruising off on that.......and then us giving him the flyby :clap:

dangerous
4th July 2008, 20:49
...Is that the Kwaka H2? holy crap! you have one of them? thats wicked!!!! I can see D cruising off on that.......and then us giving him the flyby :clap:
Hahahaha.. not if Im in the works Porsche Lite you wont lol... sorry MV we all getting carried away now.

MVnut
4th July 2008, 20:49
Sorta getting back on subject, and regards handling, if you want to ride an MV hard, it's not as easy as most Jappas to feel at home on, you need commitment..... believe in the bike... then the MV will outcorner most things straight outa the crate. :rockon:

dangerous
4th July 2008, 20:52
Sorta getting back on subject, and regards handling, if you want to ride an MV hard, it's not as easy as most Jappas to feel at home on, you need commitment..... believe in the bike... then the MV will outcorner most things straight outa the crate. :rockon:

Yeah I did find that as the seating position is rather cramped, ya kinda over the front... but by the time we get to Nelson I reckon we will all be used to them.


PS: ya avatar is that a road winding up that vally? lets take the MV's there

Drew
4th July 2008, 21:22
Sorta getting back on subject, and regards handling, if you want to ride an MV hard, it's not as easy as most Jappas to feel at home on, you need commitment..... believe in the bike... then the MV will outcorner most things straight outa the crate. :rockon:

In a post waaaaaaay back I mentioned a retard proof set up, it's used because an agressive bike requires positive input, no half arsed shit. This is all only my opinion and prolly worth squat, but I know I've been spat off when I could have made it, had I just leant harder on the inside bar and not questioning the situation.

dangerous
4th July 2008, 21:26
In a post waaaaaaay back I mentioned a retard proof set up.

Well, then me and you are fuked for a ride :Punk:

Drew
4th July 2008, 21:37
Well, then me and you are fuked for a ride :Punk:

It's OK, we'll get some motogp pics and your loverly lady can do some flash photo shopping to make it look like we're on there. We'll have people lining up to get our opinion of they bikes.

Mikkel
5th July 2008, 02:11
Nice looking bike. Have they solved the "Italian electrics" issue this time?

:scratch:


All shit aside, is there really anyone in here who would rather have a jappa 1 litre than this machine? Honestly? ...it would certainly be no contest in my book!

(Oh, and if anyone should need an MV shifted from A to B feel free to give me a call...)

NZsarge
5th July 2008, 06:07
Nice looking bike. Have they solved the "Italian electrics" issue this time?

:scratch:


All shit aside, is there really anyone in here who would rather have a jappa 1 litre than this machine? Honestly? ...it would certainly be no contest in my book!

(Oh, and if anyone should need an MV shifted from A to B feel free to give me a call...)

Was checking out a Tamburini at Manfeild the other day, yeah real nice bike for sure and if the prices were similar (basic MV) to a Japanese bike than yeah i'd definitely consider one if I were in the market for a sports bike but the reality is that they cost considerably more than a Japanese liter machine so no I would'nt be even remotely consider a MV, Ducati 1098 or KTM RC8 because they don't even come into the same league in value for money.
I realize it's a personal thing for sure, I just don't think they offer anything that much extra that they can possible justify asking such a price premium.

There are many out there that will disagree for sure and fair enough but whatever...

On the looks side of things the Tamburini MV was quite special with all it's exposed carbon fibre but personally I think a R1 is just as good looking as a MV or a 1098/RC8, I only tend to go ohh and ahh when we see them as the roads are'nt exactly littered with them so to see one is not a regular occurrence.

DMNTD
5th July 2008, 06:21
Nice looking bike. Have they solved the "Italian electrics" issue this time?


(Oh, and if anyone should need an MV shifted from A to B feel free to give me a call...)
My MV has never had any electrical issues at all oh and you're more than welcome to shift my MV into your garage.
100% down...no more to pay! :woohoo:



...I only tend to go ohh and ahh when we see them as the roads are'nt exactly littered with them so to see one is not a regular occurrence.
I got to say that it's nice riding a bike that I'm not likely to see another 10+ of when I'm out riding. To me that's part of the "value" right there.
Although I do agree re a Euro's price vs value, but there's nothing like riding one hard...that's when you know where you're monies worth is. Simply divine!

NZsarge
5th July 2008, 06:58
My MV has never had any electrical issues at all oh and you're more than welcome to shift my MV into your garage.
100% down...no more to pay! :woohoo:



I got to say that it's nice riding a bike that I'm not likely to see another 10+ of when I'm out riding. To me that's part of the "value" right there.
Although I do agree re a Euro's price vs value, but there's nothing like riding one hard...that's when you know where you're monies worth is. Simply divine!

Down here you don't exactly see that many R1's kicking about either but I get what you're saying.
Can't help thinking that for the money an R1 or ZX10 dripping in modifications would be mint! Well, an R1 or ZX would be mint anyway... mods or not.

Mikkel
5th July 2008, 09:04
oh and you're more than welcome to shift my MV into your garage.
100% down...no more to pay! :woohoo:


I honestly think I have already used my entire 'new bike'-quota for the year :yes: Even if I hadn't - garage space is starting to become an issue.

Even then, helping you to shift the goods on would seem like helping a drug addict financing his next bender ;)

DMNTD
5th July 2008, 13:37
Even then, helping you to shift the goods on would seem like helping a drug addict financing his next bender ;)

LOL...already done that part re the next fix in saying that though... :whistle:

MVnut
6th July 2008, 22:01
Yeah I did find that as the seating position is rather cramped, ya kinda over the front... but by the time we get to Nelson I reckon we will all be used to them.


PS: ya avatar is that a road winding up that vally? lets take the MV's there

ey D, that road in my avatar is the Stelvio Pass, you'd loooooooove it:cool: