(un)Sensing Murder

[scumdog]

Wot a crock of shit.

The first time they actually tell Police where the usable evidence is to enable Police to have a successful prosecution is the first time I'll give 'em credibility.

Keeps women entertained though.

[jrandom]

Shows like 'Sensing Murder' are like the Playboy Channel.

Entertainment that plugs into the automatic reptilian bits at the top of the spinal cord without troubling the higher reasoning faculties.

[FJRider]

Wot a crock of shit.

The first time they actually tell Police where the usable evidence is to enable Police to have a successful prosecution is the first time I'll give 'em credibility.

Keeps women entertained though.

SCU is on after it... much better veiwing.

[Gubb]

I used to work with a woman who appeared on Sensing Murder as a Psychic, I asked her why she didn't just pick the Lotto numbers instead of working, she never talked to me again after that.

[Goblin]

I hope the guilty ones fess up and plea guilty to manslaughter so the young man can rest in peace and the family can have closure.

[98tls]

Careful Tom, psychics and there followers are a minority group and someone is bound to find this vulgar and offensive.

[Ghost_Bullet]

I sensed this thread would become. So thought I would just say that I was watching from behind the wall. ooooooooooo....... A cold shiver just swooped over my body...... Oh my god.... I sense death.... not at all good...












ooooops.... I think someone might have farted.... false alarm... as you were:rolleyes:

[Number One]

Not wanting to appear gullible but I happened to once visit the pommy lady from that show...has red hair Sue I think her name was.

Given my naturally sceptical bent I didn't talk at all before or during the session (in my mind this was so as not to give anything away)...I had never met her before and I only 'listened' to what she had to say and never confirmed or denied anything throughout the session.

She told me specific and accurate stuff about hubby, my parents, my work, grandparents, my AND hubbies health, that I was 'very newly' pregnant (only 6 weeks at the time) WITH a boy (correct) AND that I'd had a miscarraige earlier in the year WHICH I had not told anyone about.

I don't necessarily believe that they are able to solve old murders and things (though I'd really like to hear of them having some success with bringing some buggar to justice) but I don't discount it completely either.

There is more to existance than I am comfortable assuming to understand.

[peasea]

I only saw parts of it, too busy masturbating with my cheese grater.

[peasea]

Careful Tom, psychics and there followers are a minority group and someone is bound to find this vulgar and offensive.


They might even get offended in advance.

[Mikkel]

Shows like 'Sensing Murder' are like the Playboy Channel.

Entertainment that plugs into the automatic reptilian bits at the top of the spinal cord without troubling the higher reasoning faculties.

Don't you dare dissing the Playboy channel... ok, it's crap, but that's only because it lacks action.


I used to work with a woman who appeared on Sensing Murder as a Psychic, I asked her why she didn't just pick the Lotto numbers instead of working, she never talked to me again after that.

Perhaps you were disrupting her visions... :shifty:


However, while I am not religious, superstitious or anything like that, I still believe that there's more to this existance than meets the eye and that which can easily be explained. It is not hard to see why some people would have an interest in abusing such a perspective for their own gain though.

[fire eyes]

:baby:I think they are brilliant! Man that Kelvin .. whoaaaa .. kinda hot lol .. if they the psychics or whatever you want to call them .. even come an inch closer to helping the families .. hell why disreguard them? I am wondering Scumdog did you actually watch the entire episode before making your opinionated conclusion? or do you intend to watch next weeks episode to .. just to clarify your views? and maybe the episode after that! well just for the hell of it????

[Mikkel]

I am wondering Scumdog did you actually watch the entire episode before making your opinionated conclusion? or do you intend to watch next weeks episode to .. just to clarify your views? and maybe the episode after that! well just for the hell of it????

I don't think you'd have to watch the entire load of bollocks to form an informed conclusion.

[Steam]

Those "psychics" should be jailed for wasting police time.

[fire eyes]

you would be surprised Mikkel!

[Mikkel]

you would be surprised Mikkel!

Let me rephrase my last post:

I know, I did not have to watch the entire load of bollocks to form an informed conclusion.

[peasea]

Those "psychics" should be jailed for wasting police time.

In fact, some police should be jailed for wasting police time.

[fire eyes]

ahhhh ok .. thankyou for clarifying that point .. I thought you were making reference to Scumdog as my post was initially intended for him in a lighthearted manner. My apologies for not seeing your point.

[scumdog]

:baby:I think they are brilliant! Man that Kelvin .. whoaaaa .. kinda hot lol .. if they the psychics or whatever you want to call them .. even come an inch closer to helping the families .. hell why disreguard them? I am wondering Scumdog did you actually watch the entire episode before making your opinionated conclusion? or do you intend to watch next weeks episode to .. just to clarify your views? and maybe the episode after that! well just for the hell of it????


Hey, you're a sheila - sheilas are easily taken in by psceptic - opps, psychics, just look at the attitude of those sheilas that posted on this thread, in fact the word psyCHICS explains it all!!

[Number One]

Hey, you're a sheila - sheilas are easily taken in by psceptic - opps, psychics, just look at the attitude of those sheilas that posted on this thread, in fact the word psyCHICS explains it all!!

By THOSE sheilas I am guessing you refer to her and ME as we are the ONLY two chicks that have posted in here so far.

As for being easily taken in...I take offence to that (only a small amount mind I ain't that sensitive).

My personal 'attitude' as you put it is that I don't believe I understand all of what goes on in this universe and I have had several experiences that have led me to question the 'black and white nature' of what I used to 'know', so I don't discount anything.

[scumdog]

My personal 'attitude' as you put it is that I don't believe I understand all of what goes on in this universe and I have had several experiences that have led me to question the 'black and white nature' of what I used to 'know', so I don't discount anything.

Just what I'd expect from a sheila!!






(Ducks and runs for cover after experiencing psychic senses that this sort of comment is not going to do me good)

[Number One]

Just what I'd expect from a sheila!!

Cheeky bastard - You'll keep!

...way down there...BUT...if we ever meet, expect a :spanking: (unless you enjoy that kinda thing that is ;) )

[JimO]

well im a total sceptic about this sort of thing <_<and only watched it because it was close to home, and he theory that they came up with made sense to me and i bet there a a few people in owaka looking at the rugby team in a different light now:shifty: late model cars dont just go on fire by themselves

[jrandom]

I have had several experiences that have led me to question the 'black and white nature'...

Do share.<tenchars>

[Maha]

While I beleive in the Psyhics I cant help but wonder....
Take last night show for instance, why dosen't the spirit say to Sue '' FFS I went through all this yesterday with Kelvin, ask him about it''
Or is that a spirit has alot of spare time, what with being dead and all, im guessing theres no work to done or lawns to mow etc.

[GaZBur]

It is unfortunate an investigative journalist needs to research and interview people BEFORE the psychics get involed. Funny how people are often willing to say more or what slips out of peoples mouths much later when the stresses of the moment have passed. I have a question about all these programs.
1. Have they EVER found a missing body?
If i was a dead spirit talking to a psychic I would give them the exact GPS location where i was buried or a least say dig a little to the left of the shed!
2. Have they ever gained any evidence, found a weapon or uncovered any information not already discovered by the journalist who researched the case beforehand?

I would love my scheptisism to be proven wrong as it would be cool to be able to solve a lot of unsolved cases - but to date I have not heard of one successful case.

[sels1]

Take last night show for instance, why dosen't the spirit say to Sue '' FFS I went through all this yesterday with Kelvin, ask him about it''
Haha I have thought that too!

I tried to watch the show with a reasonably open mind. The senario the psyhics came up with was certainly plausable. Interestingly they seem to come up with the same story, (with quite a bit of detail) although they supposedly have no contact with each other.

With the car so badly burnt out there was very little evidence for the police to work with.

The info the psyhics gave out (whether true or fabricated) would be enough to raise some debate in a town as small as Owaka. It will be interesting to see if there is any further development

[Flatcap]

There is more to existance than I am comfortable assuming to understand.

Yeah - Ghosties and Gholies and Bogiemen and Zombies and Headless Horsemen

[sunhuntin]

While I beleive in the Psyhics I cant help but wonder....
Take last night show for instance, why dosen't the spirit say to Sue '' FFS I went through all this yesterday with Kelvin, ask him about it''
Or is that a spirit has alot of spare time, what with being dead and all, im guessing theres no work to done or lawns to mow etc.

"snigger' nice one

i for one, dont watch it. would rather either be asleep, or watching something decent. susan watches, but with it starting at 8.30, its on too late given she has to be up at 6. i told her she can watch it on her own. cant be bothered with it.

[bungbung]

late model cars dont just go on fire by themselves

O rly?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=77404&highlight=passat

[vifferman]

I didn't read this thread (like I don't watch "Sensing Bullshit!"), but I just had to chime in with that.
I like that it's on, because it gives me the opportunity to go SENSING BULLSHIT! in a loud voice at the appropriate time when they advertise it on the box.


Yeah, I know. Small things..small minds...

[Goblin]

:baby: Man that Kelvin .. whoaaaa .. kinda hot lol .. :yes: Agree, he is kinda hot. He's a biker too. :drool:

[Drunken Monkey]

Not wanting to appear gullible ....

She told me specific and accurate stuff about hubby, my parents, my work, grandparents, my AND hubbies health, that I was 'very newly' pregnant (only 6 weeks at the time) WITH a boy (correct) AND that I'd had a miscarraige earlier in the year WHICH I had not told anyone about.

...

There is more to existance than I am comfortable assuming to understand.


Lady, you were just cold read.

[Number One]

Do share.<tenchars>
Yeah, nah...think I have said enough on this...given the tone of the replies I don't really want to put myself out any further than I already have.

BTW - I don't watch 'sensing bullshit' :lol: ...actuallly all this kinda stuff gives me the creeps - I also don't watch SVU and those other morbid 'solving crime' programmes. They just don't entertain to me and I tend to just end up feeling squeemish with all the fake dead bodies they poke around in.

[Number One]

Lady, you were just cold read.
You again? Utter twaddle mate!

[ManDownUnder]

I'm on both sides of the fence

I find it hard to believe a lot of the stuff they do and say - this is a show after all and one has to wonder how much ends up on the editing floor.

That said - the question remains - what don't we know? And how do we prove it doesn't exist? Germs, atoms and many other aspects of the physical world we know accept as "true" were once fantasy left to the dreamers, leading to derision and scron among their peers (scientific and otherwise).

Consider this - we only have 5 senses... how can we be so sure nothing exists beyond those 5? Driving at night we're only aware of what's visible to us - so if we don't see something by the roadside - how can we reasonably argue it's not there? The lack of evidence doesn't suffice...

[Badjelly]

She told me specific and accurate stuff about hubby, my parents, my work, grandparents, my AND hubbies health, that I was 'very newly' pregnant (only 6 weeks at the time) WITH a boy (correct) AND that I'd had a miscarraige earlier in the year WHICH I had not told anyone about.

These people are very good at making sensible guesses, drawing your attention to the hits, diverting your attention from the misses, and making the near-misses seem like hits. Have you ever seen Derren Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derren_Brown) on TV? He's a self-professed non-psychic who achieves remarkable feats of "mind reading" with "magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship".

[Badjelly]

That said - the question remains - what don't we know? And how do we prove it doesn't exist? Germs, atoms and many other aspects of the physical world we know accept as "true" were once fantasy left to the dreamers, leading to derision and scron among their peers (scientific and otherwise).

Consider this - we only have 5 senses... how can we be so sure nothing exists beyond those 5? Driving at night we're only aware of what's visible to us - so if we don't see something by the roadside - how can we reasonably argue it's not there? The lack of evidence doesn't suffice...

Sure, but what do you do about the unknown and (maybe) unknowable? Patiently and methodically try to investigate the boundaries of knowledge by generating hypotheses, testing them and applying reason? Or swallow any old rubbish from a bunch of confidence tricksters? I suggest that the former approach has been spectacularly successful in telling us about germs, atoms, quasars, the evolution of life on earth, the workings of our bodies and minds (still working on that last one). What have the magicians and priests given us by comparison?

[fire eyes]

:2thumbsup Hey Gurly, thanks for sharing your EXPERIENCES with our everloving-openminded-compassionate biker family! That was some pretty deep personal information you shared with us. It takes courage to put yourself out there the way you did & .. I am very sorry to hear about the loss of your child sweety. I guess we get so caught up in trying to get our opinions across that sometimes our compassion gets swept under the carpet. Thanks. :hug:

[Number One]

These people are very good at making sensible guesses, drawing your attention to the hits, diverting your attention from the misses, and making the near-misses seem like hits. Have you ever seen Derren Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derren_Brown) on TV? He's a self-professed non-psychic who achieves remarkable feats of "mind reading" with "magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship".

I knew that I would get a barrage of replies along the lines of 'Silly woman!' :rolleyes: as soon as I'd posted on this thread. It amazes me that people are so 'sure' that it would have to be an artful deception that I got sucked into. The old line of you weren't there so you don't KNOW...comes to mind....

AS I said I didn't talk at all except to greet the woman before I sat down and I do understand the subtleties of body language/facial gestures/eye movements etc...so I was being very mindful of controlling mine myself as I was sceptical about it all going in and just went as a bit of a joke.

As for sensible guesses - agree that is possible with some of the information she 'sensed' however there were too many quite specific and 'personal' things she was able to tell me about that were strangely too spot on for me to be able to discount the notion that there might be something to this psychic/medium whatever stuff completely.

[fire eyes]

:mellow: I prefer the term 'WOMAN' as opposed to sheila.

[Swoop]

A cold shiver just swooped over my body...... Oh my god....
It wasn't me!:laugh:

[Badjelly]

I knew that I would get a barrage of replies along the lines of 'Silly woman!' :rolleyes: as soon as I'd posted on this thread.

Well you didn't get one from me :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

People are very good at fooling themselves. (This applies to me as much as anyone. ... Well, OK, a little less than some.) Some people are very good at taking advantage of this.

[Murray]

Those "psychics" should be jailed for wasting police time.

If you watched all the programme including the bleeped out bits. They virtually named everyone involved and at the end of the day 1 DNA sample would either prove or disprove the whole show. Now to get that would take about as much time as the police take to issue a couple of speeding or failing to stop tickets. Which is more important????

[firefighter]

It is unfortunate an investigative journalist needs to research and interview people BEFORE the psychics get involed. Funny how people are often willing to say more or what slips out of peoples mouths much later when the stresses of the moment have passed. I have a question about all these programs.
1. Have they EVER found a missing body?
If i was a dead spirit talking to a psychic I would give them the exact GPS location where i was buried or a least say dig a little to the left of the shed!
2. Have they ever gained any evidence, found a weapon or uncovered any information not already discovered by the journalist who researched the case beforehand?

I would love my scheptisism to be proven wrong as it would be cool to be able to solve a lot of unsolved cases - but to date I have not heard of one successful case.

precisely, all they have ever done is state facts already known to the police, dramatise it, and make up some new theory......funny how they have never ever solved anything........or on one episode they said "the body is somewhere in here"......and it was a rubbish dump.....<_<

[Number One]

I guess we get so caught up in trying to get our opinions across that sometimes our compassion gets swept under the carpet.

Compassion and KB :lol: There are some absolute gems out there in KB land (such as yourself :sunny:) but I certainly don't rely on or expect any compassion from the general population - as time goes by though I can see why lots of people DON'T bother contributing to threads...stick your neck out there is always some one around to chop it. Thankfully I'm quite resilient and don't really give a shit what the 'righteous and 'apparently all knowing' others think...either about me OR my opinions.

[scrivy]

I sit on the fence with all of this mumbo.... (or is it???)

I would love to believe in extra powers, but need more proof.

I remember 2 years ago, when they were doing a Melbourne shoot of Sensing Murder, that the psychics specified where the multiple bodies were of a serial killer in a certain woods. And when they were there, the psychics said there were also other bodies around from other murderers. On the show, they confirmed that they had indeed found more bodies nearby. Is this proof, or a greater hoax/guess?

Stil sittin on da fence...... :cool:
Oh, oh, oh........ I can feel a coffee coming on.......
F@ck me!!! I'm sickic too!!!! :lol:

[Badjelly]

...I guess we get so caught up in trying to get our opinions across that sometimes our compassion gets swept under the carpet....

I have a horrible feeling that might apply to me. Sorry :(

[ManDownUnder]

What have the magicians and priests given us by comparison?

Magicians - entertainment

Priests... "Knowledge" that would suggest is based on anecdotal evidence rather than a knowledge of the specific workings. Take a look in The Bible (and no - I'm not a Bible basher) but you'll find advice in there that is beyond it's day.

There's old testament advice telling brothers not to sleep with sisters (well ahead of any knowledge of genetics and the perils of inbreeding), the dangers of blood bourne disease, and germs. What about not eating Pork? Isn't it interesting the pigs are a species sufficiently close to humans for some diseases to transfer, especially if the meat's not thoroughly cooked?

I don't recall all the quotes at the mo, but religious aspects aside there are controls put in place under the umbrella of "God says thou shalt not"... that actually make a lot of sense in respect of the nature of the universe, disease etc.

What was once religious dogma has since been "discovered" and ratified by science. What about all the other super natural phenomia?

I agree that most of it is hoax put forth by those able to gain financially... but to rule it all out, in the absence if evidence "just because" is a little much really... just as ruling it all in "just because" is.

[scumdog]

If you watched all the programme including the bleeped out bits. They virtually named everyone involved and at the end of the day 1 DNA sample would either prove or disprove the whole show. Now to get that would take about as much time as the police take to issue a couple of speeding or failing to stop tickets. Which is more important????

I guess you don't really know much about the system and DNA do you?

OK, they have DNA from a ciggy but or something, unless the guy whose DNA it is has alrady provided a sample for the data-bank (in which case he has committed a crime at some stage in his past) they have nobody t match it to.

All the people they SUSPECT it might belong to are not obliged to provide a sample to see if it matches.
So at present the police have a DNA sample but nobody to link it to, no result..(and even if it WAS linked to somebody all it would prove would be that at some stage that person was at the same general area as the fire - it could have been a Korean tourist, it could be anybody.)


And at least the speeding tickets WILL get a result.:bleh:

[Edbear]

I used to work with a woman who appeared on Sensing Murder as a Psychic, I asked her why she didn't just pick the Lotto numbers instead of working, she never talked to me again after that.

One has to wonder why they don't enter all the gambling houses and clean them out, eh?


I only saw parts of it, too busy masturbating with my cheese grater.

Cheese graters can masturbate..?

[Badjelly]

What about not eating Pork? Isn't it interesting the pigs are a species sufficiently close to humans for some diseases to transfer, especially if the meat's not thoroughly cooked?

Stephen Pinker covers this one in one of his books. He points out that if the Hebrew prohibition against eating pork were really related to the risk of catching diseases from meat that's not thoroughly cooked, then the rule would be "Thou shalt cook thy pork thoroughly." He thinks the pork prohibition arose because the Hebrews of the time were nomadic shepherds, for whom pigs were of no use. So "thou shalt not eat pork" means "thou shalt not hang out with those other people, who don't roam the deserts with their sheep like decent people do, but sit in their houses with the pigs rooting through their rubbish piles". In other words, it's a way of reinforcing cultural identity. A particularly effective way because humans are naturally very suspicious of eating meat that they haven't been exposed to in their early childhood years. So when teenagers leave their family group and might want to settle with the non-Hebrews down the road, they are put off by their disgust at eating that horrible pig meat.

But, I digress, religion does provide a basis for rules about how to live your life, or at least provides authority ("Because God said so") for such rules.

My question about what the priests have given us related more to knowledge about how the world is and how it came to be. I maintain that the knowledge provided by science is not only more accurate than that provided in religious texts (i.e., it holds up when additional facts are discovered) but it's also vastly more interesting and exciting.

[vifferman]

...the Hebrew prohibition against eating pork ... blah blah blah...
I worked with an Israel guy a wee while back (used to tease him about being a Mossad agent, which he confirmed, especially by moving to Welllington to be closer to the embassies, or so I reckoned...) anyhoo..
We were talking about pigs, pork and that kind of thing. In response to summat he said, I replied, "I thought there wouldn't be any pigs in Israel, it being the Holy Land and all that."
"Oh yes, there are people who eat pork, and people who raise pigs for meat to sell to them".
"How do they get on with not desecrating the Holy Land and all that?"
"The pigs have to be in pens on raised platforms, so they aren't in contact with the ground."

:blink:

[ManDownUnder]

Stephen Pinker covers this one in one of his books. He points out that if the Hebrew prohibition against eating pork were really related to the risk of catching diseases from meat that's not thoroughly cooked, then the rule would be "Thou shalt cook thy pork thoroughly." He thinks the pork prohibition arose because the Hebrews of the time were nomadic shepherds, for whom pigs were of no use. So "thou shalt not eat pork" means "thou shalt not hang out with those other people, who don't roam the deserts with their sheep like decent people do, but sit in their houses with the pigs rooting through their rubbish piles". In other words, it's a way of reinforcing cultural identity. A particularly effective way because humans are naturally very suspicious of eating meat that they haven't been exposed to in their early childhood years. So when teenagers leave their family group and might want to settle with the non-Hebrews down the road, they are put off by their disgust at eating that horrible pig meat.

It's a very nice theory. I wonder if it's right. My theory is that observations were made over time of people getting pretty sick after eating, and someone made the link back to pork. A religious person had a dream about it, took it as a sign from God - it was thus ratified, transcribed and the good people following The Word no longer fell ill, while the heathens did. Clearly a sign from above. I find that quite easy to believe personally - although it's not the only option. (You can quote me on that back to Stephen Pinker by the way, it's in writing so it has authority).

My whole point is the simple self evdent truth to be found in "we don't know what we don't know". It's possible to disprove something by finding (demonstrating and subjecting to the rigours of the scientific process) a proof other than the hypothesis, but to point and say "I don't believe it therefore it's not true" is a bit rich.

A question for you - how many Scientists are religious?... and why...?

[ManDownUnder]

One has to wonder why they don't enter all the gambling houses and clean them out, eh?

It does lead me back to an age old joke... if they truly are psychic... why don't they phone me?

... and for the confused among you seeing me debate both sides of this - it's called an open mind. I'm simply relaying my personal thoughts and observations.

[Badjelly]

It's a very nice theory. I wonder if it's right.

Fighting scepticism with scepticism. What a sneeky trick!

I wonder if it's right, too, but honestly I have no idea how one could tell.


My whole point is the simple self evdent truth to be found in "we don't know what we don't know". It's possible to disprove something by finding (demonstrating and subjecting to the rigours of the scientific process) a proof other than the hypothesis, but to point and say "I don't believe it therefore it's not true" is a bit rich.

I'm afraid my reference to priests and magicians widened the scope of the discussion somewhat. I think the correct response to ignorance is to admit it. I think the religious response is to make stuff up. I think we make more progress in understanding the world if we assume it follows consistent patterns that can be investigated by devising & testing hypotheses. The alternative assumption, that the world is full of supernatural agency and miracles, can't be ruled out, but the assumption of consistency seems to have led (paradoxically) to much more marvellous stories about reality.

Re psychics, I don't think I'm saying "I don't believe it therefore it's not true". It's more that I haven't seen any good reason to believe in it, so (for the time being, pending further evidence) I don't.

Returning to psychics solving crimes, I'd be interested in any analysis that showed they were consistently useful. It seems to me they use the same old trick of reporting their (occasional) hits and concealing their (many) misses.


A question for you - how many Scientists are religious?... and why...?

Taking your questions in turn: Some. No idea, sorry.

[ManDownUnder]

Fighting scepticism with scepticism. What a sneeky trick!

I wonder if it's right, too, but honestly I have no idea how one could tell.



I'm afraid my reference to priests and magicians widened the scope of the discussion somewhat. I think the correct response to ignorance is to admit it. I think the religious response is to make stuff up. I think we make more progress in understanding the world if we assume it follows consistent patterns that can be investigated by devising & testing hypotheses. The alternative assumption, that the world is full of supernatural agency and miracles, can't be ruled out, but the assumption of consistency seems to have led (paradoxically) to much more marvellous stories about reality.

Re psychics, I don't think I'm saying "I don't believe it therefore it's not true". It's more that I haven't seen any good reason to believe in it, so (for the time being, pending further evidence) I don't.

Returning to psychics solving crimes, I'd be interested in any analysis that showed they were consistently useful. It seems to me they use the same old trick of reporting their (occasional) hits and concealing their (many) misses.



Taking your questions in turn: Some. No idea, sorry.

Respect - we're on the same page. Fun getting here too...

[idb]

Shows like 'Sensing Murder' are like the Playboy Channel.

Entertainment that plugs into the automatic reptilian bits at the top of the spinal cord without troubling the higher reasoning faculties.

The Playboy Channel sure beats Grassroots Rugby!!!

[mstriumph]

They might even get offended in advance.

as they can sense what's gonna be said, you mean? :shifty:

[idb]

I didn't know the programme was on!!!

[mstriumph]

.............A question for you - how many Scientists are religious?... and why...?

sheesh, fella :pinch: ....... the Scottish Thread is THAT way, yonder!

[peasea]

as they can sense what's gonna be said, you mean? :shifty:

Yuppo, ESP and all that. It would save them having to drag a film crew out later to the very spot where you gave them shit.

I have to admit; until I see a ghost I'll remain sceptical and Sensing Murder is in the same vein. If they could turn up new evidence for old cases I might take a second look at psychics and all that. If I see a ghost I'll be sure to let the world know.

Before my father passed away I asked him to come beck and see me after he died, he reckoned he would if he could. He hasn't, so I guess he can't, which means there are rules on the other side too, if in fact the other side actually exists.

You know what I find interesting? Nobody has gone to the moon with a camera to take piccies of the American machinery left behind. It's been nearly forty years since (they say) the Yanks went there and technology must have marched on a bit. How come no Pommy, Jap, Russian or German mission to snap a few shots? Not to land, just to take pics.

Just a thought.

[James Deuce]

The Japanese sent a probe and two orbiters just last year. The orbiting satellites don't have cameras. They're making a Gravity map of the moon.

The Clementine survey orbiter took photos of the Apollo 15 landing site in '94 I think. That was a US mission.

Sensing CTs.

I've just done some more research and NASA and India have both got survey missions underway at the moment.

We don't hear about them because no one cares anymore.

[Drunken Monkey]

You again? Utter twaddle mate!

Perhaps you should look it up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading

Then watch Derren Brown in action.

[Number One]

Perhaps you should look it up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading

Then watch Derren Brown in action.
Perhaps you should just bite me....I don't care for YOUR opinion frankly. Badjelly said it all much better anyway :bleh:

[ManDownUnder]

Perhaps you should bite me.

Am I sensing murder about to happen...?

[Badjelly]

Perhaps you should bite me.

Translation?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bite_Me

[Number One]

Am I sensing murder about to happen...?

Hee hee - how the hell did you get that from all the way up there! :lol:

Anyway, I'm just being petty, as petty as he was when he red blinged me a long time ago...I can and so I have!

[Number One]

Translation?

Just so Mr Monkey doesn't think I am asking him to make physical contact.....

Gotta love Urban Dictionary:

bite me

1. (v) A slightly more polite way to say "Fuck off you prick".

[Drunken Monkey]

Wow, some peeps really get cut up over red bling.

I'm sorry it clouds your judgement so...

Oh well, consider yourself bitten. Don't forget - monkey's carry rabies!

[Number One]

Wow, some peeps really get cut up over red bling.

I'm sorry it clouds your judgement so...

Oh well, consider yourself bitten. Don't forget - monkey's carry rabies!

:lol: cut up...no as I said I thought you were petty for that oh and thanks for your second petty red bling:laugh: ...note that I haven't bothered either time returning the favour - COS it is petty.
FYI - It was your opinion and way of couching that that offended me so NOT the red bling

[Sanx]

Attack of the Unsinkable Rubber Ducks (http://books.whitcoulls.co.nz/attack-of-the-unsinkable-rubber-ducks/ISBN9781405503587), by Christopher Brookmyre. Should be required reading for all that believe in "Woo" practitioners. Potential believers should also read about the Fox sisters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_sisters) (more here (http://www.prairieghosts.com/foxsisters.html)), founders of the Spiritualist movement and self-confessed fraudsters.

And last, but certainly not least, there isn't one credible scientific examination that has shown any evidence of psychic abilities, whether it's communicating with spirits of the dead or being able to conjure up winning lotto numbers. Not one. There's even a million bucks on offer (http://www.randi.org/joom/challenge-info.html) for the first person that can demonstrate it under double-blind conditions. The challenge has stood since 1968 (albeit with a much smaller prize pool originally) and despite over 1000 attempts, not one person has ever been successful.

[Goblin]

And last, but certainly not least, there isn't one credible scientific examination that has shown any evidence of psychic abilities, whether it's communicating with spirits of the dead or being able to conjure up winning lotto numbers. Not one.Funny that. There isn't one credible scientific examination that proves there is a God either, yet how many squillions of people believe that God is real?<_<

[GaZBur]

Ouch guys.:nono:
Perhaps we should all back away slowly from the thread with our hands in plain sight. Nobody go for the red bling button. Most people will be entrenched in one of the opposing camps and almost never will "See the light" that their side could possibly be wrong. I know I am entrenched in my view and would take irrefutable evidence to make me change.
Just because I know I am right doesn't give me the right to be-little people with other viewpoints.(does it?)

[fire eyes]

:clap::Playnice::hug: group hug!

[Number One]

:clap::Playnice::hug: group hug!
:lol: THIS thread is like so 4 or so hours ago :rolleyes:

[fire eyes]

hey I not long got home from work! hahahahaha .. so Im still a day behind! .. aww come here and gimme a hug gurley lol

[Sanx]

Funny that. There isn't one credible scientific examination that proves there is a God either, yet how many squillions of people believe that God is real?<_<

Which simply shows that a vast number of people can selectively choose to ignore those parts of their brain that give them the power of reason and logic.

[James Deuce]

They should go to the Scottish thread (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=3026&highlight=Religious+raving)and talk about their imaginary friends.

[sels1]

Which simply shows that a vast number of people can selectively choose to ignore those parts of their brain that give them the power of reason and logic.

Which of course applies to people on both sides of the debate. Just because something cant be proved in a laboratory, it does not mean it dosent exist. Thoughts are a prime example....what you are thinking cannot be measured or proven, but you know it exists.

[Badjelly]

And last, but certainly not least, there isn't one credible scientific examination that has shown any evidence of psychic abilities, whether it's communicating with spirits of the dead or being able to conjure up winning lotto numbers. Not one.


Funny that. There isn't one credible scientific examination that proves there is a God either, yet how many squillions of people believe that God is real?<_<

Goblin, Sanx used the words "shown any evidence of", you used "proved [the existence of]" . Not the same thing.

[Badjelly]

Ouch guys.:nono: Perhaps we should all back away slowly from the thread with our hands in plain sight.

This thread is tending to go Scottish :eek:


Just because I know I am right doesn't give me the right to be-little people with other viewpoints.(does it?)

I think your right (and mine) to belittle other people's viewpoints is undisputable (but I'm sorry I can't claim any divine backing for claiming this right). Whether & when we choose to do it is another matter.

[Sanx]

Which of course applies to people on both sides of the debate. Just because something cant be proved in a laboratory, it does not mean it dosent exist. Thoughts are a prime example....what you are thinking cannot be measured or proven, but you know it exists.

Given the logical impossibility of proving an absence of something, you're right in stating that because it cannot be proved in a laboratory doesn't ecessarily mean it doesn't exist. This is the backbone of most arguments from the woo and religious community.

Except that with each advance in science, what we can and cannot measure and quantify improves. The example you gave - thought - can be measured to a certain extent. Science can measure levels of brain activity and the location of such activity within the brain. Science understands the methods by which thought moves through the brain, the chemicals involved and what the different areas of the brain do. So, in many respects, science can measure thought but recording a thought or observing a thought from the outside and decoding it is not possible, yet. Much of that has to do though with the sheer difficulty in placing the recording apparatus with sufficient proximity to the specific neural pathways, whilst still keeping the test subject alive and capable of the thought one's trying to measure.

But going back to the prize offered by the James Randi foundation, and the theme of the Christopher Brookmyre book I mentioned, not once has any evidence of psychic ability been demonstrated in controlled conditions, despite the people being tested having claimed the ability and claimed they can demonstrate it. The similarities between what psychics and clerics claim are marked. But psychics and clerics have got a little bit cleverer these days; often their claims are couched in the most nebulous language and getting them to pin down what they actually mean can prove as impossible as getting them to back up their claims with cold hard facts.

[sels1]

Except that with each advance in science, what we can and cannot measure and quantify improves. The example you gave - thought - can be measured to a certain extent. Science can measure levels of brain activity and the location of such activity within the brain. Science understands the methods by which thought moves through the brain, the chemicals involved and what the different areas of the brain do. So, in many respects, science can measure thought .

Science can measure brain activity but cannot measure whether I am thinking of what I want for dinner, or having a mental picture of my bike. That is a whole different realm of consciousness science cannot reach

[Badjelly]

Science can measure brain activity but cannot measure whether I am thinking of what I want for dinner, or having a mental picture of my bike. That is a whole different realm of consciousness science cannot reach

Science admits ignorance, religion makes stuff up and says "God told me". What do you do about these whole different realms of consciousness?

I can't observe other people's thoughts (as far as I am aware) but I am inclined to think these thoughts exist because of what these people say and do. On the whole, people seem to act as if they are thinking thoughts similar to the ones that I have had the subjective sensation of experiencing. Sometimes I try to infer what people are thinking based on my observations of what they say and do, plus my experience. Science helps a little here by showing, for example, that when people see pornographic images, they tend to exhibit increased activity in a specific area of the brain, one that is now called the Phwooar area. :cool:

[Sanx]

Science can measure brain activity but cannot measure whether I am thinking of what I want for dinner, or having a mental picture of my bike. That is a whole different realm of consciousness science cannot reach

... whole different realm of consciousness science cannot reach ... yet. Which as I said is complicated by the difficulty of placing sensors close enough the the neural pathways in the brain without disrupting them, and the obvious unwillingness of test subjects to submit themselves to such tests. There have been tests that have demonstrated an ability to determine whether a subject is touching something that is hot or cold and whether they're tasting something sweet, sour, bitter or salty. And those tests have been carried out under strict double-blind protocol. As science's understanding of the brain gets better, there is no reason why at some point in the future it will not be possible to determine what you want for dinner or what bike you're thinking about. Though with me personally, establishing what I want for dinner would be difficult 'cos half the time I really don't care, provided it's edible.

But in a way comparing the existence of thought to the existence of ghosties, ghoulies or deities is a bit pointless. There is no argument as to whether humans possess the capability for thought. There is an argument over whether or not spirits exist, god exists and if they do, whether anyone is capable of communicating with them. Given that I and many others cannot communicate with gods or spirits, if someone else wants to tell me that they can and that I should accept they can and that I should respect their beliefs and practices, then it is up to them to prove that spirits or gods do exist and they really can communicate with them. If they can't, then their claims should be given no more credence than the insane deluded rantings of the mentally ill.

[wybmadiity]

A few years ago there was a young guy go missing. Kelvin new where a body was and told the police. It was very hard for him to do because of sceptics who would point the finger at him, he was scared and rightly so that he would get the blame. All this happened before the show existed.
Not getting involved in the argument, just my 2 cents.
1. Have they EVER found a missing body?

[Sanx]

A few years ago there was a young guy go missing. Kelvin new where a body was and told the police. It was very hard for him to do because of sceptics who would point the finger at him, he was scared and rightly so that he would get the blame. All this happened before the show existed.
Not getting involved in the argument, just my 2 cents.

Any external references to this happening? Media reports, etc.?

[wybmadiity]

There was a big thing about the missing guy, not sure it ever came about how they found him though... can't remember :scratch:

Any external references to this happening? Media reports, etc.?

[scumdog]

A few years ago there was a young guy go missing. Kelvin new where a body was and told the police. It was very hard for him to do because of sceptics who would point the finger at him, he was scared and rightly so that he would get the blame. All this happened before the show existed.
Not getting involved in the argument, just my 2 cents.

More detail:

Where

How long ago

Circumstances - i.e. a lost person, a suicide, a murder victim

Name if possible.

[Sanx]

There was a big thing about the missing guy, not sure it ever came about how they found him though... can't remember :scratch:

So what you're saying is: I can't prove it, I can't show any reference to it, I don't know the details but ... trust me, it happened!

Sounds familiar ...

[wybmadiity]

Look it doesn't matter. Was just FYI.

[sels1]

... whole different realm of consciousness science cannot reach ... yet. Which as I said is complicated by the difficulty of placing sensors close enough the the neural pathways in the brain without disrupting them, and the obvious unwillingness of test subjects to submit themselves to such tests. There have been tests that have demonstrated an ability to determine whether a subject is touching something that is hot or cold and whether they're tasting something sweet, sour, bitter or salty. .

Sure-this is just a more complicated version of a Tech tracking a signal from an electronic sensor back to a PC - measurable in the physical world. But there is a difference between 'brain' and 'mind'. There is no physical 'mind' to dissect and measure...and thats where all the thoughts are. So thats where piloshophy and religion come in....(see 'Scottish thread'...)(aptly assigned to PD)



... [I]But in a way comparing the existence of thought to the existence of ghosties, ghoulies or deities is a bit pointless..
My point is something doesnt have to be measured or proven scientifically (or even be able to be proved or even disproved) in order to exist. Thoughts are a common example.

[James Deuce]

I've yet to meet a biker capable of thought, let alone having it proved via scientific method.

[jrandom]

Me, I'm always 'open' to the possibility of anything, including psychic superpowers.

But, like others have said, show evidence or STFU.

Vague cold-reading style statements don't meet the required evidential standard.

Particularly when they're mostly wrong; of course, a lot of fuss gets made when they kinda-sorta match reality, conveniently ignoring the majority of the time when they have no bearing on it.

However, the fact remains - no 'psychic' has ever demonstrated, in an objective test, any ability to perceive anything extrasensory whatsoever.

Anecdotal statements to the effect of "I heard once that somebody said such-and-such, and then so-and-so turned out to be true!" are meaningless.

I lose respect for people who hold the 'opinion' that evidence and logic in these matters are unnecessary. Sure, they have a 'right' to their 'opinion', but I also reserve my right to hold the opinion that they're blithering idiots, and treat them accordingly.

:sunny:

[Number One]

I lose respect for people who hold the 'opinion' that evidence and logic in these matters are unnecessary. Sure, they have a 'right' to their 'opinion', but I also reserve my right to hold the opinion that they're blithering idiots, and treat them accordingly.

I'll keep all that in mind should we ever meet I'm sure we'll get along just dandy...open mind you say.......Oh wait you likely didn't have any respect for me anyway...no worries, no loss

[jrandom]

I'll keep all that in mind should we ever meet I'm sure we'll get along just dandy...open mind you say.......Oh wait you likely didn't have any respect for me anyway...no worries, no loss

I didn't say no respect. Just 'lose' respect. I'll still be your friend if you have nice boobies.

:sunny:

[Number One]

I didn't say no respect. Just 'lose' respect. I'll still be your friend if you have nice boobies.

:sunny:
Cheeky shit :laugh:

Nice? hmmm well they hold up a cocktail dress well enough :lol:

[007XX]

I didn't say no respect. Just 'lose' respect. I'll still be your friend if you have nice boobies.

:sunny:

She's not half bad actually! :blip:

And yes, you two would get on famously!if you stopped bickering for long enough...

[Mom]

Cheeky shit :laugh:

Nice? hmmm well they hold up a cocktail dress well enough :lol:

I will vouch for that, you do have nice tits!


She's not half bad actually! :blip:

And yes, you two would get on famously!if you stopped bickering for long enough...

It would be interesting to put the two of them together in the same room for sure. I reckon they are a good match intelectually too!


If it ever happens can we sell tickets? :blip:

[Gubb]

It would be interesting to put the two of them together in the same room for sure. I reckon they are a good match intellectually too!

The tits? I'd hope they were in the same room.

[Mom]

The tits? I'd hope they were in the same room.

As far as I know they are not detachable :lol:

[skidMark]

Careful Tom, psychics and there followers are a minority group and someone is bound to find this vulgar and offensive.


He might get red rep or an infraction.

Oh noesies!

Could be worse.

He could take his shirt off again.

[Number One]

OMG I can't believe this went from Psychics to a discussion about my girls?!!! WTF ain't KB grand :lol:

[Max Preload]

http://www.immortality.co.nz/sensing.htm

[martybabe]

Cheeky shit :laugh:

Nice? hmmm well they hold up a cocktail dress well enough :lol:


This threads useless without pix. :zzzz:

Now how many of you spookily knew ,this old line would be posted eh?,

Well your not bloody psychic, it always follows a mention of boobies, it's the law. :confused:

[Swoop]

She told me specific and accurate stuff about hubby, my parents, my work, grandparents, my AND hubbies health, that I was 'very newly' pregnant (only 6 weeks at the time) WITH a boy (correct) AND that I'd had a miscarraige earlier in the year WHICH I had not told anyone about.
May I ask if there were "innacurate" areas? A ratio of "correct stuff" Vs "innacurate info" given?
(hope that makes sense!)

[Number One]

May I ask if there were "innacurate" areas? A ratio of "correct stuff" Vs "innacurate info" given?
(hope that makes sense!)
You may ask and I may decline.

To be honest I've had enough of this thread and by being the most out there person on it to have shared an experience (and a rather personal and emotional one at that) I'm a little tired of being referred to as one of that group who is considered (according to many posters on here) 'lacking in reason and logic, mentally ill, deluded and gullible'.

I actually credit myself with a decent amound of intelligence EQ & IQ, have pretty good analytical thinking and reasoning skills (rather important for my career) and given the experience and personal content of it I am not willing to say anymore on here.

BTW - not meaning to come across as if I am having a go at you or anyone else specifically just not putting myself out there again in this thread.

[Swoop]

You may ask and I may decline.
My apologies.
I was asking in a serious manner.
I wondered whether there was a lot of information that the lady presented to you, and we were given the highlights.
I am in two minds regarding the programme and am not discounting anything, just wanting your input since you have been able to speak with clearer (1st hand) experience.

If I went along to a session and was told nothing but facts, from someone who had not known me, I would be quite astonished.

[candor]

Police meet parents after psychics probe son's death
9:13AM Thursday July 10, 2008

Police will meet the parents of South Otago teenager Blake Stott in the wake of a television show that used psychics to shed light on the mystery of their son's death.

Mr Stott died in a fire in his car in a layby in 2006 and the cause of the fire was never identified.

In an episode of the TVNZ show Sensing Murder on Tuesday, psychics Kelvin Cruickshank and Sue Nicholson said Mr Stott had driven his car, which was his pride and joy, to a layby 3km from Owaka, south of Balclutha, so it would be safe.

He was a responsible young man who had saved hard to buy the car and was a non-smoker.

Mr Stott was asleep in the driver's seat of the car when two people drove up and as a practical joke threw a cigarette butt, match or lighter in the back seat of the car, the psychics said.

The psychics gave a detailed description of the two men and their vehicles but stopped short of publicly naming them.

The psychics said there was a third person who knew the details of Mr Stott's death, possibly someone who one of the men had confided in.

Dunedin and Clutha area commander Inspector Dave Campbell said today that he would meet with Mr Stott's parents and as with any case police would follow up if there was new evidence.

The cause of the fire had not been identified in investigations at the time but this was not unusual in cases of severe fires.

There were no indication in the inquiry at the time that any other party was involved, Mr Campbell said.

"As with anything if anyone comes with new information then we will look it.

"At the end of the day is a psychic's opinion evidence?"

Mr Stott's mother, Adraian Stott, said the family had gone to the show's psychics for answers, not publicity, the Southland Times reported.

The show traced the 19-year-old's last steps before his death on June 11, 2006.

Mrs Stott said she and the family did not want to comment further on their decision to go to the television show but she said the psychics had provided the answers she had been looking for.

"They were very sensitive to us. This is still hard two years later we're still very fragile."

- NZPA

[Drunken Monkey]

...I wondered whether there was a lot of information that the lady presented to you, and we were given the highlights.
I am in two minds regarding the programme and am not discounting anything,...
If I went along to a session and was told nothing but facts, from someone who had not known me, I would be quite astonished.

(disclaimer: this is in no way a personal poke at "Number One")

Investigating "cold reading" techniques pulls up some curiously interesting thingg about people (as in the human condition).

The most interesting thing I found was watching hidden video camera sessions of people visiting "psychics". In every single case the person who visited the "psychic" swore black & blue that they did not give any information to the "psychic" and stayed silent the entire time. This was an honest answer, they were not intending to deceive. However, it wasn't a truthful answer - in each of these given cases the subject did in fact either give the psychic visual clues, or did in some way assist the psychic with a response. In one case the man actually spoke candidly to the psychic, then proceeded to tell the interviewer afterwards that he did not say a single thing!

The same thing is done during an interrogation process. You can see it in action if you watch the show "S.A.S.: Are you tought enough" on UK TV. The interrogatees who 'folded' often told information freely to the interrogators. when questioned later (after rest and food) they would deny ever handing over information, in most cases they did not recall telling the interrogators the information they did tell, even when the transcript was read back to them.

Derren Brown also knows how to cold read, he isn't a "psychic", but has quite skillfully performed the exact same acts on people on several of his shows. As much as people like to believe in the spirit world, in these cases sadly it's just someone who's really good at reading people's body language taking advantage.

If anyone ever participates in one, listen for key things during a the session. Key probes are things like:

"I'm hearing a name...mmm, meee, (watching for postive reinforcement) muuu, mike?"
if the persons responds in the negative:
"this isn't necessarily the person you know, it may be someone they are trying to get you to communicate with, or someone they knew" (the cop out)
reset and ask new questions from here...

Otherwise an affirmative action will lead on to more things about the person you know "Mike".

[Number One]

This threads useless without pix. :zzzz:

:lol: naughty gentleman biker indeed :yes: Anyway don't make me update my avataaaarrrgh and pop into your profile for another visit MR :innocent:

[scumdog]

Cheeky shit :laugh:

Nice? hmmm well they hold up a cocktail dress well enough :lol:

Pfft! I can do that with my whanger!!:woohoo:

But back on topic, as you might expect Sensing Murder was the topic at work tonight, much hilarity by all - and much amazement at how much real evidence was not mentioned/edited out - and at the stuff the psychics got wrong that nobody took them to task about.

It was almost like two different events but at the same time/location

Still, was kinda entertaining, even if not as good as Ren & Stimpy.

[idb]

Pfft! I can do that with my whanger!!:woohoo:

But back on topic, as you might expect Sensing Murder was the topic at work tonight, much hilarity by all - and much amazement at how much real evidence was not mentioned/edited out - and at the stuff the psychics got wrong that nobody took them to task about.

It was almost like two different events but at the same time/location

Still, was kinda entertaining, even if not as good as Ren & Stimpy.

Ren & Stimpy's not real I reckon!

[Number One]

WTF is with that tag?! Who says hawt hawt? :lol: Must have me confused with someone who really is hawt!

[peasea]

Ren & Stimpy's not real I reckon!


I thought it was the animated version of Schollum and Rickards.

[rottiguy]

An interesting article written by a journo
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4623154a10.html
Got some good points, especially the one which says " to date not 1 murder has been solved" says it all really.
Don't believe the hype

[Number One]

:lol: :confused: :laugh:

[scumdog]

An interesting article written by a journo
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4623154a10.html
Got some good points, especially the one which says " to date not 1 murder has been solved" says it all really.
Don't believe the hype

Sadly though in this latest case they may well have tarnished the lives of people by pointing the finger at them....

[alanzs]

I used to work with a woman who appeared on Sensing Murder as a Psychic, I asked her why she didn't just pick the Lotto numbers instead of working, she never talked to me again after that.

I worked with a lady that was a "psychic" on a telephone psychic hot line back in the US. I asked her the same question and got the same response. Maybe they learn that in their "psychic" training?

[rottiguy]

Yep, always makes me laugh when at the end of the program they say the person who did it should just come forward. HA, if they knew who it was they could tell the cops and the person would be arrested, no need for them to turn themselves in. Hugh load of crap, also between the series they supposedly test heaps of NZ and Aussie sidekicks and it always seems to be the same 2 who are the "only" ones who "get it right" what a crock. More likely they prefer to use the 2 who know how to play the game and can act how the producers want them to.
But there will always be people who believe, no doubt the same people who believe they have just won a lottery they haven't entered, or there is a Nigerian bank just waiting to give them millions, yeah right <_<


Sadly though in this case they may well have tarnished the lives of people by pointing the finger at them....

[matthewt]

I worked with this woman that said she was a medium.

I took one look and thought "nah, you're a large for sure"

[Colapop]

I'm not a medium. I'm a post-clairvoyant. I can tell ya what happened last week with a 60% accuracy rate. :mellow:

[icekiwi]

I worked with this woman that said she was a medium.

I took one look and thought "nah, you're a large for sure"

Same here dude....Said she was a medium...gave me a reading that was "average"

[rottiguy]

She told me she was medium but man was she well done :crazy:


Same here dude....Said she was a medium...gave me a reading that was "average"

[Virago]

And the little one escaped, so now there's a small medium at large...

[rottiguy]

lol ah yes the big little one :)


And the little one escaped, so now there's a small medium at large...

[Big Dan]

dear oh dear the puns are coming out more that RM and SM coming out together

i am very open minded with this stuff and feel the police should do more and follow up anything and if its not true then it can be ruled out

[peasea]

dear oh dear the puns are coming out more that RM and SM coming out together

i am very open minded with this stuff and feel the police should do more and follow up anything and if its not true then it can be ruled out

Ya gotta hand to KB'ers tho, everything comes under fire and NOTHING gets ruled out.

Ever!

[matthewt]

i am very open minded with this stuff and feel the police should do more and follow up anything and if its not true then it can be ruled out

Yeah, small problem of wasting police resources. How do you draw the line when these quacks come up with "evidence" ??

The difference being "I saw that guy shoot the other guy" vs "No I didn't actually see anything, the other guys dead spirit told me".

Seriously if you don't see a problem then it's too late.

[Murray]

i am very open minded with this stuff and feel the police should do more and follow up anything and if its not true then it can be ruled out

If they are wrong or it leads nowhere. Can they be charged for wasting police time?????

[Big Dan]

Yeah, small problem of wasting police resources. How do you draw the line when these quacks come up with "evidence" ??

The difference being "I saw that guy shoot the other guy" vs "No I didn't actually see anything, the other guys dead spirit told me".

Seriously if you don't see a problem then it's too late.


If they are wrong or it leads nowhere. Can they be charged for wasting police time?????

i hear what your saying about wasting police time and resources and agree with you both, on the other hand whats to say Sue, Deb and Calvin come up with one small piece of evidence that gets ignored cause its not a big piece that would crack the case wide open and get a conviction. The case remains in the "too hard " basket

Some of theses cases happened years ago and surely with the years that have past and the tools that the police have are better

I guess that i want to see a case solved not cause of the show and the entertainment factor but more importantly for the families so they can have some closure

[Murray]

i hear what your saying about wasting police time and resources and agree with you both, on the other hand whats to say Sue, Deb and Calvin come up with one small piece of evidence that gets ignored cause its not a big piece that would crack the case wide open and get a conviction. The case remains in the "too hard " basket



I posted on this subject awahile ago and agree with you to some extent. The programme where the body was found in the burnt out car they vitrtually named who it was. Surely not to much time will be taken up following this up. Howwever when a body is in a wreck buried somewhere in an approximate area I think you would be hard pressed to get a search done. I suppose it comes down to how specific the information maybe. Yet I have still to hear of any cases being solved via the TV programme??

cheers and beers

[matthewt]

There is a www site for this show. On there the admin (who works for the production company) is sure the police are making traction on some of the cases because of output from the show.

Hard to know given the production company is hardly bias-free in this aspect. Most of the people on that forum are such hard-core believers that it's a troll-fest if you post anything negative about the show.

Sensing Murder forum (http://www.sensingmurder.co.nz/regfrm/)

My wife likes the show. I can't stand even being in the same room when it's on. Gives me some xbox time every Tuesday night at least.

[jrandom]

My wife likes the show. I can't stand even being in the same room when it's on.

Interesting. I'm in exactly the same boat.

The show irritates me beyond belief; I found earlier this week that I had difficulty sitting in the lounge, even doing something else, when it's on.

[rottiguy]

Bro, there has never even been a case solved using physics let along solved via the TV show

Yet I have still to hear of any cases being solved via the TV programme??

cheers and beers

[cold comfort]

Bro, there has never even been a case solved using physics let along solved via the TV show

Yet I have still to hear of any cases being solved via the TV programme??

cheers and beers

i'm sure the serious crash team use physics all the time- psychics on the other hand..<_<

[doc]

i'm sure the serious crash team use physics all the time- psychics on the other hand..<_<

Your kidding me . I have never seen the SCU use their torches to find evidence (havent figured why they just dont turn the lights on)[SIZE="2"] And they have never acutally arrested the offender at gunpoint either, leading the Armed offenders into the situation :confused:

[rottiguy]

dude haven't you ever heard of psychic physics :wari:


i'm sure the serious crash team use physics all the time- psychics on the other hand..<_<

[Murray]

You would think that given these programmes are now repeats they would have solved the mystery or found the body by now!!!!!!

[Swoop]

It is interesting that the investigating officer will be involved/present on the next episode.
Perhaps some leads are being generated to enable the Plod to continue the investigations in some small way?

[Big Dan]

It is interesting that the investigating officer will be involved/present on the next episode.
Perhaps some leads are being generated to enable the Plod to continue the investigations in some small way?

this seasons shows are all repeats that were on last year

[avgas]

where was that old hospital where the ghost busters went to?

[idb]

Bro, there has never even been a case solved using physics let along solved via the TV show


I'm sure physics has been instrumental in solving thousands, even millions of cases!

[Big Dan]

where was that old hospital where the ghost busters went to?

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=80608

Its out in the sticks of Waiuku west of Papakura

[Sollyboy]

:yes: Agree, he is kinda hot. He's a biker too. :drool:

yes he has a hayabusa , I was thinking of pulling out in front of him with the church minivan and then when he hits it call bullshit on his so called gift,after all he should have seen it was going to happen
I thought there might be a little chance they solve something after all this time now i realise it fake.

[MIXONE]

What gets me is why doesn't the "ghost/spirit/other world entity" just say "It was so and so!Arrest the fucker!!"

[Maha]

this seasons shows are all repeats that were on last year

And yet, the spirits are sticking to their lines.....:shifty:

Not that I watch it, would if it was on say..Mona Blades?