Tui Ad.

[raftn]

You got to love these guys, or girls who come up with these, heres the latest from the southern motorway near Ellerslie,.........."Here's a hundred grand........keep it quiet!" YEAH RIGHT>......It did make me laugh,:beer: and was wondering how they hell they get away with it?

[Pussy]

This one's not bad, either

[firefighter]

hahahaha, they don't muck around thats for sure!

[R6_kid]

was wondering how they hell they get away with it?

By being obvious enough that you know who they are talking about, but not actually saying directly who it is...

[nodrog]

Tony Veitch's new TV show starts tonight on TV1 at 8.30, its called "a woman in two halves".

[raftn]

Tony Veitch's new TV show starts tonight on TV1 at 8.30, its called "a woman in two halves".

Thats a shocker! Doesnt take long for the jokes to come out!

But seriously what do poeple think..should he keep his jobs or get the boot?

[MisterD]

Thats a shocker! Doesnt take long for the jokes to come out!

But seriously what do poeple think..should he keep his jobs or get the boot?

Tragedy+time=comedy

I think a Clint-style sabbatical is in order...

[raftn]

I think the big issue will be the advertisers, they wont want to be associated with him, and as such i think his job is on the line..........

[nodrog]

so if he gets the boot does he get his money back? sure it was a shit thing to do, but she made the choice to keep her mouth shut and take the money, in her eyes hes already paid.

if she didnt think it was serious enough to press charges, why should anybody else give a fuck?

they are both as stupid as each other.

[raftn]

so if he gets the boot does he get his money back? sure it was a shit thing to do, but she made the choice to keep her mouth shut and take the money, in her eyes hes already paid.

if she didnt think it was serious enough to press charges, why should anybody else give a fuck?

they are both as stupid as each other.

I am in two minds on this one,

First of all he broke her back in 4 places, and i dont belive it is ever right to hit your partner , it is in excuseable......


But on the other hand how long do you hold something like this against somebody, sooner or later it has got to be let go....
you carnt hold some thing against some one forever.

[Skunk]

If someone beat the shit out of you then offered money to shut up I think you'd take the money. ie is another beating going to follow if you don't?

Gaol. No question. Just need someone to press charges. Now he's confessed the Police can.

[nodrog]

i'm not into bashing women, but if it was a woman that beat the shit out of a man years ago, do you think it would be all over the news?

[Skunk]

Yep, but with a different angle.

[Mikkel]

But seriously what do poeple think..should he keep his jobs or get the boot?

I couldn't care less if he keeps his job or not - but he should be made to stand trial for violence causing grievious injury!

And I don't understand howcome the public prosecution is not all over this case like flies on shit! By not doing so they are actually sending a signal that domestic violence is ok if the victim keeps his/her mouth shut.
It is not!

[raftn]

I couldn't care less if he keeps his job or not - but he should be made to stand trial for violence causing grievious injury!

And I don't understand howcome the public prosecution is not all over this case like flies on shit! By not doing so they are actually sending a signal that domestic violence is ok if the victim keeps his/her mouth shut.
It is not!

this is a serous crime, and as such should be treated accordingly.......we will see what happens.

[Big Dave]

I'd never seen or heard of him till Tuesday.

[Badjelly]

First of all he broke her back in 4 places

He didn't mention that on the TV. That is some "lashing out"!

[Fatjim]

First of all he broke her back in 4 places,


I've tried this with my wife, and its bloody hard to get more then 3 at a time.

[MisterD]

Gaol. No question. Just need someone to press charges. Now he's confessed the Police can.

Gaol? Nobody gets gaol for a first offence. Oh, and Te Harold's legal expert says his statement doesn't tick all the boxes to be considered a confession - so he obviously took some good advice in preparing it...

[slofox]

This one's not bad, either

You should forward that ad to Tony....might have worked better than the hundred thou........

[Bren]

Personally I think the bastard should do time in Jail...Wife beating is nasty business, starts a bloody bad cycle...Heck, make an example outta him, but as you all know as he is a "celebrity" they wont do fuck all

[peasea]

He obviously can't control himself, he has short man's syndrome. Jail the tosser. From the sounds of that lady's injuries he must have given her a right stomping, it's not like he just lost it for a moment and punched her once is it?

I've never liked the loud-mouthed, up himself, too big for his boots twat.

String him up, not just because he beat someone up (woman or not), but because celebrities should be setting an example in a time when domestic violence is right in everyone's face. TVNZ should be hung out to dry also; they run the ads condemning domestic violence and they KNEW about his actions ages ago.

Fuckin' hypocrites.

[kerfufflez]

Regardless of whether he loses his job or not I think he needs to be charged by the police, especially because otherwise it sends a signal that rich people can just pay to get out of whatever situations they choose.

Also, if the rumours are correct and his partner did spend time in a wheelchair and off work, I assume that ACC was claimed. If that was the case are both of them not party to some kind of dishonesty/fraud offence relating to that?

(I've always thought he's a terrible announcer - awful diction - so won't be sad to see him go - bring back Dougal Stevenson!)

[raftn]

I've never liked the loud-mouthed, up himself, too big for his boots twat.


Fuckin' hypocrites.

Dont hold back..............let it out!

[Number One]

Kicking someone in the back three times (causing them to be confined to a wheel chair) is grevious bodily harm is it not?

He's a pig and should be made an example of - agree completely with Peasea - TVNZ are hypocritical arses for having known about this for a long while.

[ElCoyote]

why should anybody else give a fuck?


Because the femminazi's are the ones who released it to the media. Agenda unknown. Perhaps he didn't like their Ruth Dykeson haircut or Mars was on the cusp or something of equal importance. :whocares:

[Swoop]

He paid 100k as "hush money".

She has obviously not kept schtumm...

Is he going to be asking for the money back?:scratch:

[peasea]

Because the femminazi's are the ones who released it to the media. Agenda unknown. Perhaps he didn't like their Ruth Dykeson haircut or Mars was on the cusp or something of equal importance. :whocares:

Yeah, where did it come from? I missed that bit.

However, now that it's out don't you think he should pay SOME penalty for severely beating on someone? First up; assault is assault. Secondly; he works for a TV channel that broadcasts ad's against domestic violence. Thirdly; he's a celebrity who (for whatever reason) some people (possibly a lot of youngsters) look up to and admire.

He needs to set an example!

Now that he's been exposed he needs to made an example OF!

Now, let the soft-cocks and the politically correct berate me...........I doubt anyone from Women's Refuge will poke the Borax.

[Number One]

He paid 100k as "hush money".

She has obviously not kept schtumm...

Is he going to be asking for the money back?:scratch:

Would seem to me that by virtue of the fact that it has taken over a year to even come out she did infact keep schtumm...

A refund? :lol: I'd pay to see that response - hell I have one for him that I prepared earlier. :finger:

Given too that she was in a wheelchair for a few months AND had a breakdown AND that he apparently had 'councilling for what he did for apparently a year' it could've been anyone that leaked it...according to the papers the 'informant' was a friend of hers - wonder why now though after a year of silence?

[peasea]

Because the femminazi's are the ones who released it to the media. Agenda unknown. Perhaps he didn't like their Ruth Dykeson haircut or Mars was on the cusp or something of equal importance. :whocares:


And so they should have, that woman had her back broken, so should Tony IMHO.

[nodrog]

why dont we let her decide what to do? afterall she is the victim.

if she is dumb enough to take money instead of pressing charges with somthing this serious, i suspect her moral compass is as fucked up as his.

[Maha]

And so they should have, that woman had her back broken, so should Tony IMHO.


He has a spine to break????

[sAsLEX]

First of all he broke her back in 4 places, and i dont belive it is ever right to hit your partner , it is in excuseable......


Has this been released as fact or media speculation?


Personally I think the bastard should do time in Jail...Wife beating is nasty business, starts a bloody bad cycle...Heck, make an example outta him, but as you all know as he is a "celebrity" they wont do fuck all


Hmmmm like how he went to counselling and got his life back on track met another woman who chose to marry him even after the incident and is now supporting him as the media drags him over the coals? Dangerous dangerous cycle that.

In fact you could say he followed current govt advice http://www.areyouok.org.nz/get_help.php

but meh Tall Poppy to the front, open fire, hack, slash, burn!

[klingon]

i'm not into bashing women, but if it was a woman that beat the shit out of a man years ago, do you think it would be all over the news?

Yes, if she knocked him down, kicked him in the head causing head injuries, kicked him in the back enough to break it in several places, then paid him to keep quiet about it. Oh and if she was a 'celebrity'. Damn right it would be in the media.

By the way, it was the DomPost that made the allegations about the injuries - I don't know whether the allegations are true but they are likely to have a pretty good source before they publish them.

[sAsLEX]

I don't know whether the allegations are true but they are likely to have a pretty good source before they publish them.

Holy shit did I laugh.

The world is flat, I read it!

[peasea]

Has this been released as fact or media speculation?




Hmmmm like how he went to counselling and got his life back on track met another woman who chose to marry him even after the incident and is now supporting him as the media drags him over the coals? Dangerous dangerous cycle that.

In fact you could say he followed current govt advice http://www.areyouok.org.nz/get_help.php

but meh Tall Poppy to the front, open fire, hack, slash, burn!

Don't you mean 'short poppy'?

Celeb or not, he's a cock for beating up a woman, or anyone else for that matter. One punch/kick/poke I could forgive, not a busted back and head injuries, it sounds like he kicked the crap out of this lady while she was down.

Let's have a go at him shall we?

Tall poppy..........whatever.

[peasea]

Holy shit did I laugh.

The world is flat, I read it!

It is! I've seen it! Come over here and check it out!
(nudge)

[klingon]

Holy shit did I laugh.

The world is flat, I read it!

I don't mean the media in general - just the Dominion Post. And the Otago Daily Times. And National Radio. The rest of them are just rubbish, but when one of those three says something, I listen.

[peasea]

I don't mean the media in general - just the Dominion Post. And the Otago Daily Times. And National Radio. The rest of them are just rubbish, but when one of those three says something, I listen.


You forgot to mention the Marton Monthly, full of life-saving facts.

[Mikkel]

And so they should have, that woman had her back broken, so should Tony IMHO.

Just chuck him in jail for half a year or so - I'm sure someone would engage in some Brokeback action on his behalf...


Celeb or not, he's a cock for beating up a woman, or anyone else for that matter. One punch/kick/poke I could forgive, not a busted back and head injuries, it sounds like he kicked the crap out of this lady while she was down.

According to the press he had kicked her while she was lying on the bathroom floor. It doesn't matter who you or who your victim are - gender, religious observation, sexual preferences, etc, etc - if you kick someone who's lying down you deserve to be shot, hung or in some other way removed from this existence! It is a cowardly act which demonstrates complete disregard for someone else's life and health. And we're not just talking physical abuse here.

[peasea]

Just chuck him in jail for half a year or so - I'm sure someone would engage in some Brokeback action on his behalf...



According to the press he had kicked her while she was lying on the bathroom floor. It doesn't matter who you or who your victim are - gender, religious observation, sexual preferences, etc, etc - if you kick someone who's lying down you deserve to be shot, hung or in some other way removed from this existence! It is a cowardly act which demonstrates complete disregard for someone else's life and health. And we're not just talking physical abuse here.


Mate! You are a winner in my books. Well said. I posted that a punch in a fury could be forgiven, not a severe kicking on the floor. What is the delay in having this cock banged up?

Love the Brokeback comment. Bling etc.

[Toaster]

Sounds like if he ain't already in enough poo now, he sure will be "in the poo" in prison!

[candor]

Its GBH isn't it? Do him without favour... or a lynch mob. But then won't we have to drag up every other historic case like the good guy Mayor who once beat a pregnant wife? That was a Sunday paper story, totally ignored by the media which so needs B listers to remain on the list here. I'm sure we'd lose half our MPs overnight if a fit and proper test was applied :beer:.

[MaxB]

When the reports of the assault came out what did our 'hero' do? Apologise straightaway to everyone involved? Hand himself into police? No, he went and saw a lawyer. He said nothing for days until a carefully prepared speech was read out to the media.

If the media reports are correct that says a lot about the type of man he is.

[RDJ]

Regardless of whether he loses his job or not I think he needs to be charged by the police, especially because otherwise it sends a signal that rich people can just pay to get out of whatever situations they choose.

Very true. This - the crime defining the charge - is an important principle to uphold otherwise $$$ can buy immunity.

[peasea]

When the reports of the assault came out what did our 'hero' do? Apologise straightaway to everyone involved? Hand himself into police? No, he went and saw a lawyer. He said nothing for days until a carefully prepared speech was read out to the media.

If the media reports are correct that says a lot about the type of man he is.


Man?
I see no man.
I see a bully, a twat and a prize cock but no 'man'.

[MaxB]

Man?
I see no man.
I see a bully, a twat and a prize cock but no 'man'.

Agreed.

A couple of years ago we had some real shitbags on our street. You name it they did it. Too much grog on the weekend and the older couple living there would get into it, she was as bad as him often fighting over nothing. Most times it ended up with the cops being called. Broken glass everywhere, fighting in the street, threats to the neigbours. At least we were not living next to them.

Then one day she showed up with a black eye, the cops were onto it in a flash and arrested him for 'male assaults female'. They took three van loads of party goers away that night. The woman refused to press charges but the nurse who treated her injuries reported it.

It turns out that you do not need the victim to come forward to get a prosecution. He got a very small jail sentence out of it but the main deal is that he is a convicted wife beater for ever.

That is what I would like to see happen to Veitch. No counselling bollocks, no 100k payoffs. He should be charged and if convicted do the time. Let the 12 jurors decide.

[peasea]

Agreed.

A couple of years ago we had some real shitbags on our street. You name it they did it. Too much grog on the weekend and the older couple living there would get into it, she was as bad as him often fighting over nothing. Most times it ended up with the cops being called. Broken glass everywhere, fighting in the street, threats to the neigbours. At least we were not living next to them.

Then one day she showed up with a black eye, the cops were onto it in a flash and arrested him for 'male assaults female'. They took three van loads of party goers away that night. The woman refused to press charges but the nurse who treated her injuries reported it.

It turns out that you do not need the victim to come forward to get a prosecution. He got a very small jail sentence out of it but the main deal is that he is a convicted wife beater for ever.

That is what I would like to see happen to Veitch. No counselling bollocks, no 100k payoffs. He should be charged and if convicted do the time. Let the 12 jurors decide.

It'll be interesting to see if that happens here. Some might arugue that it'll be 'trial by media' but frankly that's his problem. If you don't beat on your woman then you won't have any trial at all. As for 'compensation'; I'm willing to bet he tried to buy her silence and simply wanted it to all go away but it hasn't. He's been found out, good job. Furthermore, he should be charged not just with assault but also with perverting the course of justice (or similar)for trying to buy his way out of it.

[nodrog]

.... he should be charged not just with assault but also with perverting the course of justice (or similar)for trying to buy his way out of it.

well in that case she should be charged too, she took the money, and from what i know she hasnt made any complaints to the justice system.

NZ is quick to get up in arms and try and help people who dont want help. how about forgetting about this celebrity case and spend all the time, money, and resources on all those victims of domestic violence that dont get any compensation and are crying out for help.

and money has been accepted for years to get out of criminal charges, heard of Micheal Jackson?

if he gets charged and convicted the most he will get would be an ankle braclet.

[The Pastor]

You have to treat your woman like you treat your creidt cards.


ROUGH!

[Skyryder]

Have not read all the posts on this but as to the thread title I find the Tui adds offensive. They are capitilising on a violent assault on a woman to sell a product that is well documanted for causing violence. If I was the woman concerned I'd be making a public statement that Veitch had been drinking Tui's at the time of the time of the assault. That would cause the company such embaressment that they would pull down the bill boards real fast.

On the subject of Veitches so called apology I find his utterences on this self serving. On one hand he accepts that he 'lashed out' "Yea right " (broke her back and put the woman in a wheel chair) then makes excuses that he was over worked etc. He's a fuckin low life..........period. Cunt needs locking up for life.


Skyryder. B Jackson

Don't usually put my name but will on this post.

[Winston001]

The woman refused to press charges but the nurse who treated her injuries reported it.

It turns out that you do not need the victim to come forward to get a prosecution. ...

Correct and a good point but we'll just have to wait and see. The woman in Veitch's case hasn't told her story to the police and until she does, she and he are the only two who know what really happened.

The hospital were told she fell down the stairs so medical evidence - which is private information - will be difficult to get.

Veitch hasn't confessed to anything except "lashing out" which could simply mean nasty words. No assault admitted to.

Still, I suspect there will be a lot of pressure on the police, and Veitch himself - so there could be a sequel in Court. However - Chris Kahui walked free.......

[Skyryder]

Correct and a good point but we'll just have to wait and see. The woman in Veitch's case hasn't told her story to the police and until she does, she and he are the only two who know what really happened.

The hospital were told she fell down the stairs so medical evidence - which is private information - will be difficult to get.

Veitch hasn't confessed to anything except "lashing out" which could simply mean nasty words. No assault admitted to.

Still, I suspect there will be a lot of pressure on the police, and Veitch himself - so there could be a sequel in Court. However - Chris Kahui walked free.......

I doubt if there will be any prosecution..........mainly for lack of witnesses.

If Veitches ex girlfriend has lied for her silence and accepted $100,000 for this she will be crucified in the cross.

Ralston said last night that he will not be back on TV. Which poses an enourmous problem for TVNZ in respect of Labour laws. Imagine the furore if Veitch is paid off.


Off topic this, but the Maori Party is still backing Fox in light of his violent offending against woman. No wonder the county is fucked of values. As a nation we don't have any consistancy on this any more. This shows itself in the Tuie Bill boards. Disgracefull.


Skyryder

[Patrick]

Now he's confessed the Police can.


Gaol? Nobody gets gaol for a first offence. Oh, and Te Harold's legal expert says his statement doesn't tick all the boxes to be considered a confession - so he obviously took some good advice in preparing it...

He didn't actually confess to much Skunk.. MisterD has it right...


a carefully prepared speech was read out to the media.

VERY carefully prepared.....


The woman refused to press charges but the nurse who treated her injuries reported it.... It turns out that you do not need the victim to come forward to get a prosecution....

Kind of right...

But the treatment providers haven't come forward, and probably can't - patient/doctor confidentiality type of thing. She "apparently" told them she fell down the stairs.... Unsure how the nurse did the above, but good on him/her.


Veitch hasn't confessed to anything except "lashing out" which could simply mean nasty words. No assault admitted to.

Still, I suspect there will be a lot of pressure on the police, and Veitch himself - so there could be a sequel in Court. However - Chris Kahui walked free.......

Beat me to it Winston...

Michael JACKSON, OJ SIMPSON and Chris KAHUI were innocent? YEAH... RIIIIIGGGHHHHHHTT.

[peasea]

well in that case she should be charged too, she took the money, and from what i know she hasnt made any complaints to the justice system.

NZ is quick to get up in arms and try and help people who dont want help. how about forgetting about this celebrity case and spend all the time, money, and resources on all those victims of domestic violence that dont get any compensation and are crying out for help.

and money has been accepted for years to get out of criminal charges, heard of Micheal Jackson?

if he gets charged and convicted the most he will get would be an ankle braclet.

Maybe she should be charged.

I don't see this as helping people who don't want help I see it as exposing domestic violence.

Just because people pay to get around the law doesn't make it right.

[peasea]

I doubt if there will be any prosecution..........mainly for lack of witnesses.

If Veitches ex girlfriend has lied for her silence and accepted $100,000 for this she will be crucified in the cross.

Ralston said last night that he will not be back on TV. Which poses an enourmous problem for TVNZ in respect of Labour laws. Imagine the furore if Veitch is paid off.


Off topic this, but the Maori Party is still backing Fox in light of his violent offending against woman. No wonder the county is fucked of values. As a nation we don't have any consistancy on this any more. This shows itself in the Tuie Bill boards. Disgracefull.


Skyryder

Quite right about the lack of consistency, no wonder the kids these days don't know which way to turn.

[peasea]

Michael JACKSON, OJ SIMPSON and Chris KAHUI were innocent? YEAH... RIIIIIGGGHHHHHHTT.



Now THERE'S a Tui ad!!!

[Maha]

Saw a Tui Billboard up this way today....it reads....

Kiwibikers know everything........:baby:

[peasea]

Saw a Tui Billboard up this way today....it reads....

Kiwibikers know everything........:baby:

I knew you'd say that.

[Patrick]

Maybe she should be charged.

With what? She "fell down the stairs" and "got $170,000 in compensation" (the amount seems to rise each time it is mentioned...).

[Maha]

I knew you'd say that.

That is in no way unique....everyone else did also....:msn-wink:

[nodrog]

....Just because people pay to get around the law doesn't make it right.

but it makes it better, just ask her, she isnt complaining.

[peasea]

With what? She "fell down the stairs" and "got $170,000 in compensation" (the amount seems to rise each time it is mentioned...).

Isn't acute clumsiness an offence?

Oh, it's 170 now? Where does this information come from?

I wonder what it'll be tomorrow/next week.

[Maha]

but it makes it better, just ask her, she isnt complaining.

Shes purchased a Theme Hotel up here....for the next three weeks, the theme is Hobits.....Veitch has been employed as a door man for $ 10.50 an hour!

[peasea]

but it makes it better, just ask her, she isnt complaining.

True; I don't recall seeing anything by way of a statement from her in the papers. (The Press had a fairly stern editorial this morning.) I would like to hear what she has to say.

[marioc]

Used to like him dont now,hope he gets burned good if the nature of the attack is as the press are portraying.

[nodrog]

...I would like to hear what she has to say.

considering the first payout worked so well, i bet the only talking she will be doing will be to one of them womens magazines $$$$$

[Maha]

considering the first payout worked so well, i bet the only talking she will be doing will be to one of them womens magazines $$$$$

Did I hear correctly that Tony gave her (besides the bash) $100k plus another $70k??

I would take a dealing to for that kinda money....
Anyone is free to kick the living shit out of me but a legal document will be signed for the payment of $170k to be banked into my account the very next day.

This is a Tui Thread right? yeah right!

[nodrog]

Did I hear correctly that Tony gave her (besides the bash) $100k plus another $70k??

thats what i saw printed on the front of some newspaper this morning.

thats more than mike tyson gets these days.

[Winston001]

Maybe she should be charged.

I don't see this as helping people who don't want help I see it as exposing domestic violence.

Just because people pay to get around the law doesn't make it right.

I don't know that Kristin Dunne-Powell has actually done anything wrong here - legally or morally. No law requires her to report the crime committed against her.

The offender has offered her compensation. Possibly even said opps, my bad.... :angry: In many communities in the world this would be acceptable and in the USA money would be the main remedy, criminal prosecution just a sideline.

So, Kirstin has been compensated by the aggressor who has been punished by a financial penalty. It's that simple.

Personally I find Veitch's actions abhorrent, his motivation completely selfserving, and it makes no sense to criticise the victim here.

My sense of outrage says he should be prosecuted, but my logic says he has already been dealt with. Ok, it was outside the criminal justice system but does it matter?

[peasea]

I don't know that Kristin Dunne-Powell has actually done anything wrong here - legally or morally. No law requires her to report the crime committed against her.

The offender has offered her compensation. Possibly even said opps, my bad.... :angry: In many communities in the world this would be acceptable and in the USA money would be the main remedy, criminal prosecution just a sideline.

So, Kirstin has been compensated by the aggressor who has been punished by a financial penalty. It's that simple.

Personally I find Veitch's actions abhorrent, his motivation completely selfserving, and it makes no sense to criticise the victim here.

My sense of outrage says he should be prosecuted, but my logic says he has already been dealt with. Ok, it was outside the criminal justice system but does it matter?

I was really looking forward to a public flogging, but oh well.

[325rocket]

So, Kirstin has been compensated by the aggressor who has been punished by a financial penalty. It's that simple.

My sense of outrage says he should be prosecuted, but my logic says he has already been dealt with. Ok, it was outside the criminal justice system but does it matter?

maybe if my tax didnt pay for her rehab i wouldnt have such a problem with it. but when it comes down to it the guy is rooted and his career is down the shitter. he stands to loose his $450,000 + income and will more than likely head overseas anyway.
karma maybe?

[sAsLEX]

Off topic this, but the Maori Party is still backing Fox in light of his violent offending against woman. No wonder the county is fucked of values. As a nation we don't have any consistancy on this any more. This shows itself in the Tuie Bill boards. Disgracefull.


He is white and successful, the most hunted and hated people in this country......

[Mikkel]

Ok, it was outside the criminal justice system but does it matter?

Yes it very much matters. At least if you want to consider this a democrazy with equal rights and duties for all citizens irrespectable of financial and social standing.

Equality before the law is one of the very fundamental values such a society is built upon.

Otherwise you'll have to say - "Oh well they may have lynched that fella - but he broke the law so it's ok."
While vigilante action may appeal to ones personal sense of justice in some cases - there is a really good reason why need objective tribunals to convict people.

[sAsLEX]

Yes it very much matters. At least if you want to consider this a democrazy with equal rights and duties for all citizens irrespectable of financial and social standing.

Equality before the law is one of the very fundamental values such a society is built upon.

Otherwise you'll have to say - "Oh well they may have lynched that fella - but he broke the law so it's ok."
While vigilante action may appeal to ones personal sense of justice in some cases - there is a really good reason why need objective tribunals to convict people.

How about you throw sex in there as well?

There is a specific charge "Male assaults Female". Surely that is sexist, assault should be assault no matter what the genders involved.

[kiwifruit]

I think drugs were involved.

[Dooly]

According to a story I read somewhere, can't recall, may of been online....the chick that got the bash could be in the shit too.
Because of the benefits, rehab, ACC etc she had been given when injured, if she has'nt told the truth about what caused her accident, she's liable to be charged for fraud!
So if she said she fell down stairs and its been proven she got the shit kicked out of her by the midget, she's in the poo too.......

[Gubb]

He can push me down the stairs for $170K

[kiwifruit]

He can push me down the stairs for $170K

and break your back?

[Mikkel]

How about you throw sex in there as well?

There is a specific charge "Male assaults Female". Surely that is sexist, assault should be assault no matter what the genders involved.

It is indeed sexist - I wasn't aware that such a charge actually existed.

As for me not mentioning gender, that is because I'd expect that to be obvious.

[Skyryder]

According to a story I read somewhere, can't recall, may of been online....the chick that got the bash could be in the shit too.
Because of the benefits, rehab, ACC etc she had been given when injured, if she has'nt told the truth about what caused her accident, she's liable to be charged for fraud!
So if she said she fell down stairs and its been proven she got the shit kicked out of her by the midget, she's in the poo too.......


Yep that's right. But to date I've not heard of any ACC involvement. If there is and taxpayers money has been spent on her then I'd throw the book at her. There could be a deal done so no charges would be laid if she was prepared to testify but as I mentioned in an earlier post if she does she will get cruicified in the cross. I'm picking she will refuse. But if ACC has been involved the threat of charges may help loosen her toungue. But if Veitch confesses for whatever reason be it a payout or a promise of no charges being laid said chick could be in the fireing line one way or the other.

Skyryder

[Winston001]

Yes it very much matters. At least if you want to consider this a democrazy with equal rights and duties for all citizens irrespectable of financial and social standing.

Equality before the law is one of the very fundamental values such a society is built upon.

Otherwise you'll have to say - "Oh well they may have lynched that fella - but he broke the law so it's ok."
While vigilante action may appeal to ones personal sense of justice in some cases - there is a really good reason why need objective tribunals to convict people.

We're at cross purposes. Certainly the crime of aggravated assault took place - but she isn't required to report it. I'm a passionate believer in the rule of law. However it doesn't prevent people lawfully sorting out their differences without recourse to the Courts - criminal or civil.

Laws are broken all the time (speed anyone...? :D) but never reported.

[Mikkel]

There's a significant difference between a criminal offense and a traffickal offense in my honest opinion. E.g. you do not cause any injury or damage to anyone just by exceeding the established speed limits. (unless they believe in the 'speed kills' slogan and are very touchy-feely and self-righteous to boot)

In the case of a violent offense it doesn't matter if you say 'sorry' and the fella you fucked up says 'no worries' - if you have violent tendencies I'd prefer to have your deeds examined by an objective (or as close as we can get) court of law and perhaps see you person locked up for a period based on that assessment.

Is there no public prosecution in NZ?

If not I guess it's pretty easy - you just make sure to remove all the victims from the equation and you should be home free... I guess noone get's done for murder in this country.

[BiK3RChiK]

With the media frenzy on this one, I can't see anything being done about it. I don't condone family violence, but I also don't think it should cost him his job. Bit like the lion guy really...

Just my 0.02

[Winston001]

There's a significant difference between a criminal offense and a traffickal offense in my honest opinion. E.g. you do not cause any injury or damage to anyone just by exceeding the established speed limits. (unless they believe in the 'speed kills' slogan and are very touchy-feely and self-righteous to boot)

In the case of a violent offense it doesn't matter if you say 'sorry' and the fella you fucked up says 'no worries' - if you have violent tendencies I'd prefer to have your deeds examined by an objective (or as close as we can get) court of law and perhaps see you person locked up for a period based on that assessment.

Is there no public prosecution in NZ?

If not I guess it's pretty easy - you just make sure to remove all the victims from the equation and you should be home free... I guess noone get's done for murder in this country.

So you are saying that every criminal offence should be reported. Or at least every criminal offence involving violence. Not reporting would therefore be an offence itself?

Nice idea but our law does not say that. Thousands of women and children get the bash weekly in NZ - I wish we could compel them to report it - but we can't. Write to your MP.

There are very few crimes which we are required to report. Every motor accident is supposed to be reported, but if no-one is injured often there is no report despite the fact its quite likely a law has been broken (careless use, failure to stop, excessive speed etc...).

Odd as it must seem, if you witness a murder, you are not compelled to report it.

[Winston001]

There is a specific charge "Male assaults Female". Surely that is sexist, assault should be assault no matter what the genders involved.

There are at least three categories of assault. Common assault, male assaults female, and Crimes Act assault (the most serious). Plus aggravated assault etc.

Ever looked at the average size and strength of women? Even small guys are harder than most women in a fight so the law reflects that. No big deal.

[sAsLEX]

There are at least three categories of assault. Common assault, male assaults female, and Crimes Act assault (the most serious). Plus aggravated assault etc.

Ever looked at the average size and strength of women? Even small guys are harder than most women in a fight so the law reflects that. No big deal.

so should there be Maori assaults Asian?

As Maori are bigger and stronger than most Asians......

Or a REALLY BIG person assaults Small person?

[peasea]

so should there be Maori assaults Asian?

As Maori are bigger and stronger than most Asians......

Or a REALLY BIG person assaults Small person?

Man assaults penis?

[awayatc]

Thought that just about every assault is unfair by definition....otherwise the victim wouldn't be the victim. The assailant would be......

A fight CAN be fair:banana:

[peasea]

Thought that just about every assault is unfair by definition....otherwise the victim wouldn't be the victim. The assailant would be......

A fight CAN be fair:banana:

Yup, just ask Robert Mugabe.....:jerry:

[Winston001]

so should there be Maori assaults Asian?

As Maori are bigger and stronger than most Asians......

Or a REALLY BIG person assaults Small person?

Dang!! You one funny guy! :D :D

[Patrick]

There is a specific charge "Male assaults Female". Surely that is sexist, assault should be assault no matter what the genders involved.

There is a distiction for fella beating up chicks (2 years imprisonment). This is way hiogher. Assault with intent to injure minimum... More like assault with intent to cause grevous bodily harm - he broke her back in four places...


I think drugs were involved.

That is an interesting call that has been raised a few times of late.... Can't help but wonder....

[avgas]

Man assaults penis?
Imagine the CSI episode:
"Stupid UV Lamp - whole damn room is glowing"

[peasea]

There is a distiction for fella beating up chicks (2 years imprisonment). This is way hiogher. Assault with intent to injure minimum... More like assault with intent to cause grevous bodily harm - he broke her back in four places...



That is an interesting call that has been raised a few times of late.... Can't help but wonder....


TV types, P? Violence? Hmmmm, never seen THAT connection before.

[Patrick]

TV types, P? Violence? Hmmmm, never seen THAT connection before.

Surprised the Harold hasn't had a headline yet.... Or TV3....

[Mom]

Yep that's right. But to date I've not heard of any ACC involvement. If there is and taxpayers money has been spent on her then I'd throw the book at her.
Skyryder

Having had recent dealings in a work place situation with ACC I can state with some conviction that it does not matter if you get money as a gift/loan/personal compensation/sick pay while claiming an ACC compensation payment. As long as your employer is not paying you "wages" then there is nothing to say you can not accept money for other reasons.

[peasea]

Surprised the Harold hasn't had a headline yet.... Or TV3....

The NZ Herald is a load of crap, just ask Winston Peters.

In fact, I agree with the man on that one, I have little time for the Herald, never have. Wilson and Horton aren't too kind to employees either, from what I hear.

[MIXONE]

I think all newspapers should be read with a huge rock of salt.

[raftn]

Well the the T.V saga has come to a close any way. With his resignation from both TVNZ and Radio NZ, he is gone.

We all Live and die by our actions, and all of us are only one decision or action away from fucking up our lives, saying that i dont have any sympathy for him, he made his bed let him lie in it.

Domestic violence is not acceptable , end of story.

For every action there is a reaction...........and that is exactly what has happened.

[Number One]

Yes I'd like to get a hold of him...I'd entice him by starting things out a little like this.....

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/picture.php?albumid=87&pictureid=5292

[Patrick]

I see she has now made a formal complaint to the Police. Good on her. She has been given her "restorative compensation" already, so now it's his turn for him to get what he deserves??? Bubba gunna luv him long time...

[Pussy]

Hey Patrick... in regard to the pic Number One put up there... is that the get up you guys wear when people are "helping Police with their inquiries" ?

[peasea]

Hey Patrick... in regard to the pic Number One put up there... is that the get up you guys wear when people are "helping Police with their inquiries" ?

I think you're confusing their uniform with 'evening wear'.

Eh, Patricia

[Patrick]

Hey Patrick... in regard to the pic Number One put up there... is that the get up you guys wear when people are "helping Police with their inquiries" ?

Nah... that is Peasea's fantasy - in his gimp gear with his tranny "friend."