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CookMySock
12th July 2008, 13:08
Chinese xmoto dirtbike conversion to 250cc learner legal motard - why not ?

<img src="http://images.trademe.co.nz/photoserver/47/69029347_full.jpg">

About two grand.

Add basic tail/brake/head lights
Indicators not required ?
Has VIN plate - add rego

Once its legal on the road, add Hyosung GT250R wheels, brakes, controls.

Why? I got three learner riders here. They aren't crasher/smasher type riders, and it would fun to add some variation.

No, it's never going to be a Honda 450. But thats not the point.

Katman
12th July 2008, 13:24
Why would indicators not be required?

McDuck
12th July 2008, 13:27
Why would indicators not be required?

It will brake down before they are needed.

Badcat
12th July 2008, 13:28
i'll believe it when i see the plate.

Katman
12th July 2008, 13:31
It will brake down before they are needed.

Very good point.

TOTO
12th July 2008, 14:43
WAY to go DB, hope to see pics of the procedure.

Very clever I might add :yes:

kiwifruit
12th July 2008, 14:48
battery, charging system etc

lettuce know how you get on ;)

Kornholio
12th July 2008, 14:59
Is it going to have the luxury exhaust??

Badcat
12th July 2008, 15:09
Is it going to have the deluxe exhaust??

that's a LUXURY exhaust.
i can seeing the "luxury exhaust" entering the KB hall of fame.

Coyote
12th July 2008, 15:09
Sounds like a bit of fun. I can imagine the road legalisation of the bike could become a nightmare with all the bureaucracy surrounding LTNZ. Good luck, you'll need it.

CookMySock
12th July 2008, 18:45
Thanks for the comments folks. Curiously, I stumbled across the exact same bike today. Lights, indicators etc etc all fitted. No rego plate fitted so I will be keen to hear of his progress.

I don't care too much about the quality of the thing. We aren't going to be giving it a bashing in the rough.

Now the bad news - its BLOODY TALL!!! and the spring on the rear shock looks like it came from a fucking logging truck! Unlikely I could even ride this thing, let alone my kids.


DB

tate35
12th July 2008, 19:06
hmmm...bit tall for little ol me tho:rolleyes:

Tallpom
23rd July 2008, 19:49
The bike looks awesome - can you tell me a bit more about it - here did you score the bike?

Have you gotten any further with the road conversion?

Pedrostt500
23rd July 2008, 20:15
i think DB you would be better off buying a 20yr old Jap trail bike to modify, in the knoledge that parts are and will be available, where as a chinese bike may not have the same parts availability in 6 months, I also find that some of these Chinese trail bikes are not built to any international standard.

idleidolidyll
23rd July 2008, 20:19
probably a good place to start if you don't have much money but don't go far on it until you know what's gonna rattle off.

alternatively, spend the same money on a 250 or 300cc 2 stroke and convert that; more power, costs less to rebuild, costs less to run than modern 4 stroke motards

read this reality check before deciding between 4 stroke and 2 stroke: http://twostrokemilitia.jfn3.com/tsm_assets/scans/DirtBike606-p102-104-lores.pdf

McJim
23rd July 2008, 20:20
and the spring on the rear shock looks like it came from a fucking logging truck! Unlikely I could even ride this thing, let alone my kids.


DB
A 17" front wheel should drop it down a wee bit. If it wasn't tall it wouldn't be a motard tho'

xwhatsit
23rd July 2008, 23:03
battery, charging system etc

lettuce know how you get on ;)
What do you want those for? The engine is one of those XR200 copies, so I'm sure it'll have an alternator in it -- no separate magneto/generator thing going on. Just tap into that, filter it out with a big cap if you like, then plug some lights in.

Have to say, that's a great looking bike. May not be particularly fast or well-built, but it looks awesome :)

CookMySock
24th July 2008, 06:37
oo, replies! Yeah I haven't done any more on this. I don't own that bike - it was just an example picture of a chinese bike. I'm broke in the middle of my off-season anyway.

Yeah I could rebuild an old 250, but its heavy and looks doigy, and the kids wont like it, OR ride it, and thats a problem. It HAS to look like a shithot motard.. well, to kids anyway. :cool: even if it its not adults cuppa tea.

The one I sat on - I could not believe how bad the suspension was - this would HAVE to be resolved. I am 6ft ish and 90KG, and seriously I could barely touch the ground with tiptoes OR get 50mm travel out of the rear suspension by slamming my good-sized arse on the seat. I didn't ride it as the owner wasn't there.

idleidolidyll, yeah a two stroke motard would attract a lot of attention, hehehe.

McJim, yeah. I see I can lace a different rim to the same hub.

Looking forward to the summer!
DB

-df-
24th July 2008, 09:35
Let me know how this goes...I've been looking at a 1998 CR250 with a CR500 engine in it on TM...thinking that would rock if I could get it road legal.

Found a lighting kit overseas that can run a headlight for a while...getting very tempted.

Anyone know whats involved in getting a dirt bike road registered as it wont be on the "list" I keep hearing stating what bikes can go on the road. I know about having to put all the road gear on it...but the actual legal side I have no idea.

Morcs
24th July 2008, 12:38
2k can get you so much more.

I bought my CBR600 Stuntbike for 1700... give it better suspension and it would basically be a motard..

Or sell the hyo and buy a drz...

R6_kid
24th July 2008, 12:53
Or sell the hyo and buy a drz...

lol have you not noticed that he doesnt ride anything that doesnt say hyobag on the side?

BiK3RChiK
24th July 2008, 14:34
:Offtopic::Oi: Why can't you fella's :Playnice: At least DB is coming up with ideas and trying stuff. You really should stop baiting him and bugger off and do something productive like he is...

CookMySock
24th July 2008, 17:01
Ok I went to the bikeshop and to VTNZ today ;

Bikeshop said - nup, the "VIN plate" on a dirtbike isn't a VIN plate at all - the bike will have to be re-vinned. It's just a serial number (viz chassis number) all vehicles imported to NZ must have a chassis number. Bike needs a brake cert - easy coz itsa new bike, so we just measure-up the brakes and write the numbers on the card. The brakes also have to pass a practical test - ie they must actually work.

Bike shop costs - forgot to ask.. :pinch:

VTNZ said - There is something of a "blacklist" of chinese bikes. They will not compliance test some of the chinese bikes. If one of these on the blacklist turns up for testing, they say "sorry, but no." Some bikes are ok, some not. I have to show that the vehicle was legally imported (see chassis numer stuff above.) The bike I looked at did have some sort of number on it, and the idea is to get that number and put it into the VTNZ computer BEFORE spending a cent, and see what VTNZ alarm bells are set off - this SHOULD tell me if the road ahead even exists.

VTNZ costs ;

$175.00 Compliance + WOF
$198.82 6month rego + plate

Then there's what the bike needs to be on the road. Permanently dipped low-beam headlight (highbeam not legally required), indicators, tail/brake lights + reflector, and road tyres (?)

I think I can swap the knobblys for road tyres - road tyre will fit knobbly rim perhaps? Can anyone comment on this ? If not, then I can likely re-lace a "motard" rim onto the original hub - to be researched.


Was an interesting trip to town then, apart from a slightly squiggly back tyre (slow leak) slowed me down in the bendies.. sigh..

DB

speights_bud
28th July 2008, 18:33
Then there's what the bike needs to be on the road. Permanently dipped low-beam headlight (highbeam not legally required), indicators, tail/brake lights + reflector, and road tyres (?)

I think I can swap the knobblys for road tyres - road tyre will fit knobbly rim perhaps? Can anyone comment on this ?
DB


Most dirt style tires are stamped "Not for highway Use" the exception being for tires designed for use on Dual purpose bikes etc.

If the tire sizes match up correctly with the rim size i can see no problem, however if you are running spoked rims you will also need to run Tubes.

Please correct me if I'm wrong :)

carver
4th September 2008, 22:18
just buy my DRZ!

kezzafish
6th September 2008, 09:54
chinky hyotard! awesome name for it.

Who's done the mods for the drz? (flashy pipe, big carb) what'd it cost, what'd you have to modify, what was the gain. There's a lot of people with them and they'd be lying if they didn't admit their gutlessness, not quite the same fun as a "Dirt bike with street tyres" if you can't do wheelies

AlBundy
6th September 2008, 11:37
I'm thinking we need a DRZ mod thread...

quallman1234
6th September 2008, 11:49
probably a good place to start if you don't have much money but don't go far on it until you know what's gonna rattle off.

alternatively, spend the same money on a 250 or 300cc 2 stroke and convert that; more power, costs less to rebuild, costs less to run than modern 4 stroke motards

read this reality check before deciding between 4 stroke and 2 stroke: http://twostrokemilitia.jfn3.com/tsm_assets/scans/DirtBike606-p102-104-lores.pdf

and you can just let em keep running and running and running and some more running untill you feel the need for a new pistion and rings. I would say you should be able to get 10,000km of road riding out of a top end.

AlBundy
6th September 2008, 12:00
and you can just let em keep running and running and running and some more running untill you feel the need for a new pistion and rings. I would say you should be able to get 10,000km of road riding out of a top end.


2-strokes, man they are fun...

xr-rider
6th September 2008, 16:26
Let me know how this goes...I've been looking at a 1998 CR250 with a CR500 engine in it on TM...thinking that would rock if I could get it road legal.

Found a lighting kit overseas that can run a headlight for a while...getting very tempted.

Anyone know whats involved in getting a dirt bike road registered as it wont be on the "list" I keep hearing stating what bikes can go on the road. I know about having to put all the road gear on it...but the actual legal side I have no idea.

ballards in australia have a lighting kit that works with any bike that has a cdi ignition for $239 au