It's not OK to hit someone. EVER

[Bren]

This guy has got it so right!


It's not OK to hit someone.
Here's what I think. If you assault a woman by kicking her on the ground until her back breaks, the question isn't whether you lose your job. The question is how long you spend in jail.
Let's see. Man kicks woman on floor. Four broken vertebrae, four months in a wheelchair. Assault. Why don't we start with grievous bodily harm and work down?


Full editorial here! (http://www.stuff.co.nz/4617035a1861.html)

[Drew]

Sums it up, assult is assult.

I am one of the few who dont see domestic violence as black and white though.

[YellowDog]

The injuries sound quite extreme and horrific. We cannot know or understand the circumstances that lead what happened. Maybe the lady accepts some of the blame and that their may have been an element of accidental injury.

The fact that the guy accepts that what he did was wrong and has under gone councelling is a big plus for him. This is now past history and noone elses business other than their own. The Police cannot bring charges unless she makes a complaint.

I don't think we should be so quick to judge other peoples personal relationships.

[riffer]

The fact that the guy accepts that what he did was wrong and has under gone councelling is a big plus for him. This is now past history and noone elses business other than their own. The Police cannot bring charges unless she makes a complaint.

I don't think we should be so quick to judge other peoples personal relationships.


Really? Do you honestly think he only ever beat her once? Please explain exactly how you could accidentally break your back in four places.

[trumpy]

......The Police cannot bring charges unless she makes a complaint....

Not so. If there is sufficient evidence that a crime has been committed the Police can, and often do, bring their own charges.

[Blackbird]

Well I'm sorry but I DO see violence as pretty much black and white, particularly in this context. Using violence to protect yourself or your loved ones in the case of home invasions, unprovoked assault in the street etc may be the only recourse but surely there is ALWAYS a better way than domestic violence, no matter how much the provocation. Just walking away from it until you go off the boil for starters.

I really like Veitch as a presenter but in all honesty, I'll never view him in the same light again.

[Biggles2000]

I think the Crown law office and the Police are not doing their jobs. He should be in Jail waiting for a tryal date. One law for the poor and another for the rich and (in)famous. Shame on his employer and shame on the good people of New Zealand for letting this abomination get this far.

[Drew]

Well I'm sorry but I DO see violence as pretty much black and white, particularly in this context. Using violence to protect yourself or your loved ones in the case of home invasions, unprovoked assault in the street etc may be the only recourse but surely there is ALWAYS a better way than domestic violence, no matter how much the provocation. Just walking away from it until you go off the boil for starters.

I really like Veitch as a presenter but in all honesty, I'll never view him in the same light again.

I never said it's ok, just not as clear cut as what's made out sometimes.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I will pass that message on to my martial arts instructors. thanks for the tip.

:)

[dino3310]

I think the Crown law office and the Police are not doing their jobs. He should be in Jail waiting for a tryal date. One law for the poor and another for the rich and (in)famous. Shame on his employer and shame on the good people of New Zealand for letting this abomination get this far.

agreed :Police:

[HenryDorsetCase]

The injuries sound quite extreme and horrific. We cannot know or understand the circumstances that lead what happened. Maybe the lady accepts some of the blame and that their may have been an element of accidental injury.

The fact that the guy accepts that what he did was wrong and has under gone councelling is a big plus for him. This is now past history and noone elses business other than their own. The Police cannot bring charges unless she makes a complaint.

I don't think we should be so quick to judge other peoples personal relationships.

wrong on three counts sorry:

in cases of domestic vilence, the Pleece can lay a complaint even if the (usually female) person who has been assaulted does not.

a cynic might think that he underwent counselling and such purely at the request of his PR flunkies. when this broke earlier this week my first comment was "watch the PR machines spin into action now". and they have. a bit of critical thought goes a long way when dealing with this (media hype) stuff.

as for judging other peoples personal relationships: getting someone down on the ground and kicking them till their back is broken in the context of domestic vilence? that is wrong.

this level of vlience could be justified (for example if the person who was having their back broken had invaded your home, threatened your personal safety, or assaulted or attempted to assault you or your loved ones) but none of that seems to be a factor here.

and as a final comment: Ive always thought that guy Veitch was a cunt. I am pleased my instincts were right on.

[Flatcap]

Shame on his employer and shame on the good people of New Zealand for letting this abomination get this far.

Why shame on his employer? He hasn't been convicted of anything (yet) so what are they supposed to do? If they fire him purely because they don't like what he has done they expose themselves to all sorts of employment law issues. Regardless of how abhorrent the act, due process has to be followed

[avgas]

Well I'm sorry but I DO see violence as pretty much black and white
That would be the newspaper you read it from.
Sorry but im not willing to point fingers just by what "was written in a tabloid".
Papers, magazines, news media need hard hitting articles that allow the public to point fingers.

I have been in situation in the country where "what women says is now law".
I have also lived with a person who has had similar injuries.
I'm not saying i condone what has gone down, all im saying is the facts dont line up.......and when they don't line up someone is lying.

Mr Veitch looked absolutely shattered when he made that statement. I truly hope he maintains the will to live - but i have my doubts.

That i would not wish on anyone - but i understand how hard life can be sometimes. Sometimes stepping off seems the only solution.

This story seems to screams blackmail to me.

[Blackbird]

That would be the newspaper you read it from.
Sorry but im not willing to point fingers just by what "was written in a tabloid".

Ummm... I don't trust any tabloid in the slightest. All I'm saying that in the case of domestic violence, using force unless protecting yourself is unacceptable. That's just my personal choice, but it also happens to be the law. I'm not being sanctimonious, that's simply a personal choice on how I want to live my life; irrespective of whatever the true facts are in the Veitch case.

[ynot slow]

He paid hush money/compensation,so presumably the only ones knowing about the assault were the two involved,also how does the money Veitch paid to the victim effect her ACC claims,as I thought you had to say if you recieved any money from income,investments etc,this could come under "investment"(stupid I know).Asuming he paid hush money then wouldn't he be entitled to it being returned to him.I sure as hell don't think he would blab to the media.

Also how the hell did she manage to be assaulted in his bedroon,she was there for dinner/talk about the relationship,you would assume that would take place in the lounge or dining area would you not?

Not for once am I suggesting he is innocent at all,but the truth needs to come out.

And I like his I have no excuse blah,blah,blah, crap then says because of my jobs and long hours blah blah blah crap,he wanted the glory and $$$ for doing the job,tough shit.No excuse eh,sounds like a few there.

[wysper]

Also how the hell did she manage to be assaulted in his bedroon,she was there for dinner/talk about the relationship,you would assume that would take place in the lounge or dining area would you not?



Maybe it did start there and ended in the bedroom. Who knows.
(well at least two people know)

[tri boy]

A gutless little kiwi celebrity tried to "Buy" silence about a brutal and cowardly attack on his partner.
One law for all. Do the time you jumped up little shit!

[Sollyboy]

Really? Do you honestly think he only ever beat her once? Please explain exactly how you could accidentally break your back in four places.

The ho mighta throw her own arse down some stairs , who knows , it needs to go to court before the public crucify him, he certainly has to account for his action .
no domestic violent in our household , if your bad solly eats half yo dinner

[RantyDave]

Apart from children. It's OK to hit children.

Cunts like Tony Veitch come from somewhere y'know.

Dave

[icekiwi]

Doesn't matter if he only gave her a shiner its still violence...and to a women (not sexist just a realist)...reckon he should front up to The Old Bill cause sure as hell any one else would have to.

[Swoop]

This guy has got it so right!
Bollocks! It is perfectly OK to hit a "woman". Sue Badford has got it coming to her!:2guns::lol:

I think the Crown law office and the Police are not doing their jobs.
Why? The couple decided to settle out of court.

[Blackbird]

Bollocks! It is perfectly OK to hit a "woman". Sue Badford has got it coming to her!:2guns::lol:



You might have a case if only SB was a human being:shutup:.

[riffer]

Why? The couple decided to settle out of court.

You can't contract out of the criminal justice system. And if you could, it would set a hideous precedent.

Can I kill someone I don't like if I pay their family a million dollars? I didn't think so.

[FROSTY]

When I was young and stupid (as oposed to just stupid) I believed that only the guilty get accused of these horrible crimes.
Ive seen what happens when a vengeful woman decides to "get even"
The justice "system" is a joke
Yes martha Innocent people do go to jail for crimes they diddn't commit.
But you can't fake the bruises can you? --no ya can't but you can well and truely fake the cause of the bruises


Not saying in this case its so.

[devnull]

More to this than meets the eye...



Tony Veitch's ex-girlfriend reported his attack on her to police in July last year, but instead of laying a criminal complaint, she demanded a $150,000 compensation payment from the sports broadcaster.


http://www.stuff.co.nz/4616914a10.html

So, who feels like a dickhead for believing everything the media tells them? :jerry:

Or to put it another way, there's 2 crimes here - assault, and extortion

(I should add that the penalty for what he did is a max of 2 years; blackmail carries a max term of 14 years)

[HenryDorsetCase]

Bollocks! It is perfectly OK to hit a "woman". Sue Badford has got it coming to her!:2guns::lol:

Why? The couple decided to settle out of court.

not so. what gives you the impression Bradford is a woman?

[HenryDorsetCase]

More to this than meets the eye...



http://www.stuff.co.nz/4616914a10.html

So, who feels like a dickhead for believing everything the media tells them? :jerry:

Or to put it another way, there's 2 crimes here - assault, and extortion

(I should add that the penalty for what he did is a max of 2 years; blackmail carries a max term of 14 years)


Oh, cool, so that makes it OK?

I'm just going to give her indoors a bit of the biff. Since I earn more than her, by your standards if I leave a 20 on the dresser, that makes it OK?

[Mikkel]

The injuries sound quite extreme and horrific. We cannot know or understand the circumstances that lead what happened. Maybe the lady accepts some of the blame and that their may have been an element of accidental injury.

The fact that the guy accepts that what he did was wrong and has under gone councelling is a big plus for him. This is now past history and noone elses business other than their own. The Police cannot bring charges unless she makes a complaint.

I don't think we should be so quick to judge other peoples personal relationships.

What an absolute load of RUBBISH!

You think it would be ok if I assaulted someone you knew and cared for and then proceeded to threaten/buy/what-the-fuck-ever said person into being silent. And don't come tell me that is not possible because people got spines - if you have a life you care about you can always be made to shut up!

That's effectively what you are suggesting...


Why? The couple decided to settle out of court.

Assault is assault - it's not theft of intellectual property or dishonest business practice... And whether it takes place in a relationship or not doesn't matter!


So, who feels like a dickhead for believing everything the media tells them? :jerry:

Or to put it another way, there's 2 crimes here - assault, and extortion

(I should add that the penalty for what he did is a max of 2 years; blackmail carries a max term of 14 years)

And that seems reasonable to you Mr. Bushlawyer? A maximum sentence of 2 years for assault causing greivious bodily harm? I find that hard to believe.

Indeed, if she extorted Mr. Veitch she deserves to be charged with it.
It doesn't mean that Mr. Veitch is excused... Two wrongs doesn't make a right!

[devnull]

And that seems reasonable to you Mr. Bushlawyer? A maximum sentence of 2 years for assault causing greivious bodily harm? I find that hard to believe.

Indeed, if she extorted Mr. Veitch she deserves to be charged with it.
It doesn't mean that Mr. Veitch is excused... Two wrongs doesn't make a right!

we have a winner!!



Crimes Act S.194

Assault on a child, or by a male on a female

Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years who—
(a) Assaults any child under the age of 14 years; or
(b) Being a male, assaults any female.


Your "beliefs" don't seem to have much bearing on reality, do they?

[98tls]

Oh dear,smells like the reaction to the copper that made a bad decision on where to do a u-turn,women and i guess men get assulted every day in this country and i would put money on the fact that more often than not it doesnt get reported to anyone,Mrs jones that lives down many streets in this country gets a beating by her booze filled husband on every other saturday and never receives $100.000 for her trouble.Veitch sucks for his actions for sure but at the same time by accepting the money what message was his ex sending?just a thought.If she was clever she would have donated the $ to a womens refuge center then had him charged.

[Mikkel]

Your "beliefs" don't seem to have much bearing on reality, do they?

Besides being sexist - that clause does not take into account the resulting injury. I am confident that you could be imprisoned for more than 2 years if the assault ended up with the victim dying of her injuries.

Surely there's a difference between assault causing injury and assault... If you slap someone that can constitute assault - if you hit someone in the head with a baseball bat turning them into a vegetable that is a different situation.

[devnull]

Besides being sexist - that clause does not take into account the resulting injury. I am confident that you could be imprisoned for more than 2 years if the assault ended up with the victim dying of her injuries.

Surely there's a difference between assault causing injury and assault... If you slap someone that can constitute assault - if you hit someone in the head with a baseball bat turning them into a vegetable that is a different situation.

Look for yourself
http://legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM327382.html

[ajturbo]

I never said it's ok, just not as clear cut as what's made out sometimes.

I'm with you here....
MOST times it takes too to tango........

but to the main point,

i would not be impressed if what i did 3 years ago was being discussed in the media, especially if i had taken steps to fix a problem i had!!

who was it the brought this thing the media?..

and why?...$$$$ must be involved

[Stickchick]

MOST times it takes too to tango........

MOST times? I have to disagree with you here. I am a survivor of violence from a partner and I didn't do anything to provoke him except maybe breathe. From the people I know that have been involved in domestic violence, women would get beaten for disagreeing or even thinking for themselves.

[Jez]

I am not condoning what Vietch did 3 years ago at all ...
but i also dont think his ex had any right to send a letter to his lawyers with a "non-negotiable" figure for reparations on it ...

if he had any sort of spine he would get his $150-170k back and stand in front of a court and take what he deserves ...

someone mentioned earlier about an out of court settlement - i think they only stand in private lawsuits, this would be deemed a state case (not sure of terms, but there is a difference) as the police seem to be the only ones "thinking" of placing charges for the assault/GBH

[Gubb]

Must say I completely disagree with the Threads title, but i'll try to keep it on topic.

[Mom]

Indeed, if she extorted Mr. Veitch she deserves to be charged with it.
It doesn't mean that Mr. Veitch is excused... Two wrongs doesn't make a right!

Bang On!

There is obviously much more to this than meets the eye. No doubt there will be all sorts of mitigating circumstances blah, blah, blah. No matter what though it is NEVER OK to beat a woman. There are a few on here that would be aware of my background, for me domestic violence against women (and to be fair here, some men too) is the tip of the child abuse problem we have in NZ.

There has been money paid for "compensation" and a suggestion that it was to keep her quiet. His bosses were "sort of" informed and did nothing. She complained to the Police but never turned up to make it official. There were others that knew a bit about this. This is a whitewash in all ways!

Hope he does not take the easy way out of this though, that really would be the mark of the coward. He needs to face his demons and deal with them properly and now I guess publicly as his story is out here. If that means he loses his job/fine homes/respect of some people, tough.

Be very interesting to know who actually made this public.

[peasea]

He paid hush money/compensation,so presumably the only ones knowing about the assault were the two involved,also how does the money Veitch paid to the victim effect her ACC claims,as I thought you had to say if you recieved any money from income,investments etc,this could come under "investment"(stupid I know).Asuming he paid hush money then wouldn't he be entitled to it being returned to him.I sure as hell don't think he would blab to the media.

Also how the hell did she manage to be assaulted in his bedroon,she was there for dinner/talk about the relationship,you would assume that would take place in the lounge or dining area would you not?

Not for once am I suggesting he is innocent at all,but the truth needs to come out.

And I like his I have no excuse blah,blah,blah, crap then says because of my jobs and long hours blah blah blah crap,he wanted the glory and $$$ for doing the job,tough shit.No excuse eh,sounds like a few there.

I see on telly tonight that he has offered his services to the "It's not ok" campaign. That's big of him (ironic, I know....). However, the campaign organisers say that presenters of their ad's need to fully confront their crime, confess fully and be accountable. His 'statement' isn't a confession, it's not confronting the issue and it's certainly not offering accountability.

"I lashed out" doesn't say; "I broke her back and kicked the crap out of her while she was on the floor, I'm a fuckin' pig, lock me up".

Or does it?

[peasea]

MOST times? I have to disagree with you here. I am a survivor of violence from a partner and I didn't do anything to provoke him except maybe breathe. From the people I know that have been involved in domestic violence, women would get beaten for disagreeing or even thinking for themselves.

While I must say that some females get out of line at times, so do males.

The trouble is; females almost always end up on the shitty end of the stick due to their smaller stature. I've not hit a female unless in self defence, however, I've been clocked by two females and only retaliated once but that once gave me bad rep in eyes of the law.

Try shaking a reputation for domestic violence even when SHE started it and threw the first punch.

The second time that same woman hit me I did nothing but STILL she dragged me over the coals. Some days you just can't win but breaking backs sure isn't a solution.

[Winston001]

Glad most people think violence against partners is inexcusable.

I think Kirsten Dunne-Powell has done the women of NZ a disservice by not reporting the assault at the time. Would have been very useful in the stop-domestic violence campaign. However she had her reasons.

In NZ, reparation (money) is often ordered to be paid to the victim of assault. That's what happened here. The wrongdoer paid compensation to the victim. The fact they settled it in the civil arena (privately) rather than through the criminal process might be frustrating for the rest of us - but it is completely lawful.

The only caveat I'll add is that you cannot contract out of the criminal law so their agreement would have been very carefully worded.

Another matter - the $150,000 could have been paid to a Family Trust for Ms Dunne-Powell and not to her personally. That way she'd be able to claim ACC etc although there is nothing to suggest that happened.

[Forest]

You can't contract out of the criminal justice system. And if you could, it would set a hideous precedent.

Can I kill someone I don't like if I pay their family a million dollars? I didn't think so.

That is true in the NZ legal system.

But it is not a universal principle. For a counter-example see the Islamic practice of Diya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyya).

[Skyryder]

That is true in the NZ legal system.

But it is not a universal principle. For a counter-example see the Islamic practice of Diya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diyya).



You can not contract out a killing under Muslim law as you can not do under Commonwealth law. Diya is after the event not before.


Skyryder

[peasea]

D-I-Y-A? What's that? Do It Yourself Aggro?

[Grahameeboy]

I think we need to judge once the full facts are known.

The assumption is that he beat her up but the circumstances are not known. It could have been a simple crapple or push and in a bedroom there are plenty of things to fall against which can break your back...for eg, I was thrown 25 feet when hit by a hit and run driver years ago...I landed on my back and got up...maybe if I had landed at a different angle I may not have been so lucky.

If it was an accident then to be honest I don't blame him for being scared of telling everyone. He was damned if he did and damned if he didn't.

Lets get the facts right...the Media are trying to sell papers.

[imdying]

She mighta been asking for it for a long time, some women can be total bitches :rofl:

As far as putting him in jail goes, she must've been happy with the $$$ she got, as she's said nothing about it. Not sure how I feel about that yet... sure, it's probably better than any other reparation or satisfaction she's likely to get through the legal system, but do we really want the rich to be able to pay their way out of things like that?

[HenryDorsetCase]

She mighta been asking for it for a long time, some women can be total bitches :rofl:

As far as putting him in jail goes, she must've been happy with the $$$ she got, as she's said nothing about it. Not sure how I feel about that yet... sure, it's probably better than any other reparation or satisfaction she's likely to get through the legal system, but do we really want the rich to be able to pay their way out of things like that?

yes please.

also isnt she in some high powered job or other?

[Fatjim]

"http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif It's not OK to hit someone. EVER"

Well sorry, this comes from the same simpletons book of English comprehension as some do gooders understanding of violence.

It is ok to hit some people in certain circumstances. To deny this is just plain retarded.

[blacksheep]

D-I-Y-A? What's that? Do It Yourself Aggro?

lol funny bugger:shifty:

[Fatjim]

I am one of the few who dont see domestic violence as black and white though.

I'm with you, those who do see it as black and white tend to be those who've not experienced it.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Besides being sexist - that clause does not take into account the resulting injury. I am confident that you could be imprisoned for more than 2 years if the assault ended up with the victim dying of her injuries.

Surely there's a difference between assault causing injury and assault... If you slap someone that can constitute assault - if you hit someone in the head with a baseball bat turning them into a vegetable that is a different situation.

if they die its murder or manslaughter.

there are a bunch of different assault classifications: on a female, with a weapon, causing injury, etc etc.

also it depends on how serious it is if the charge is laid as a summary offence or indictably.

giving this poor woman a kicking sounds to me like what used to be called GBH: I think now its aggravated assault, causing injury? max penalty IIRC is 14 years. (feel free to correct me someone if you know)

What i am secretly (OK not secretly) pleased about is that this jumped up fucker Vietch is having his career ruined, in slow motion and with much hype and publicity. Fucker. That is much more important to him than the money or whatever.


Watch for a 20/20 interview in about three months as his PR flacks try to rehabilitate him: he wil be in tears, he will be remorseful and he will do a lot of great work for charity. they will then attempt to over the next few months rehabilitate his public image. He will quit drinking, do mucho charity work, and end up in a new relationship. he and the new partner will be happy and have children and end up in No Idea or Wimmins Weakly. about three months after that he will start to get "guest" roles on TV again, then a few months after that it will be business as usual.

It will work because people can be stupid. and they believe it if it is on TV.

and if TV says he has reformed then, well, of course he has.

Fucker.

[Fatjim]

Well I'm sorry but I DO see violence as pretty much black and white, particularly in this context.

How can it be particularly "black and white" in this context, or do you not see all violence (as you implied above) as B&W?

[Winston001]

"http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif It's not OK to hit someone. EVER"

Well sorry, this comes from the same simpletons book of English comprehension as some do gooders understanding of violence.

It is ok to hit some people in certain circumstances. To deny this is just plain retarded.


Well yeah - battlefield, self-defence, boxing ring, are good examples but that's not the topic you stirrer...... :buggerd: We're talking about domestic violence.

[Winston001]

I'm with you, those who do see it as black and white tend to be those who've not experienced it.

Not picking on you FJ - honest. :dodge:



OK. Deep breath. There is an emerging school of thought that in evolutionary psychology, men are prone to violent reactions to verbal challenges. In other words, our primitive response to getting a tongue-lashing is to biff the other person. Actions speak louder than words.

What this means is that men are vulnerable compared to women, who have much better verbal skills and are able to wind men up. Men can't reply fast enough so they deal with the problem in a physical way.

Don't get me wrong, I think family violence is abhorrent and this is not an excuse for men hitting women. It is however an explanation.

[avgas]

Ummm... I don't trust any tabloid in the slightest. All I'm saying that in the case of domestic violence, using force unless protecting yourself is unacceptable. That's just my personal choice, but it also happens to be the law. I'm not being sanctimonious, that's simply a personal choice on how I want to live my life; irrespective of whatever the true facts are in the Veitch case.
Very true - i just know somethings cut deeper and are not punishable by law however.
Facts and stories are 2 things - a fact has proof of evidence, i am yet to see that.

[Fatjim]

Not picking on you FJ - honest. :dodge:



OK. Deep breath. There is an emerging school of thought that in evolutionary psychology, men are prone to violent reactions to verbal challenges. In other words, our primitive response to getting a tongue-lashing is to biff the other person. Actions speak louder than words.

What this means is that men are vulnerable compared to women, who have much better verbal skills and are able to wind men up. Men can't reply fast enough so they deal with the problem in a physical way.

Don't get me wrong, I think family violence is abhorrent and this is not an excuse for men hitting women. It is however an explanation.

Actually, the difference is that men need and give more commitment to an argument than women. What I mean by this is that women can have a go at you and turn round and say "I didn't mean anything by it" etc. Whereas, for a man to get pissed at someone usually means they are really pissed.

As a rule, it takes more time for a man to blow his top, and hence means more.

That saying "Like water of a ducks back" It should be "drakes" because the female of species gets pissed real easily.

This of course ignores those pricks out there that easily get riled up, and need to grow the fuck up.

Now lots of bitches, and psuado bitches out there will get all prissy about me saying that there is a difference between men and women, but suck it up and smell the roses.

[Sanx]

women would get beaten for ... even thinking for themselves.

Nah. No woman would get beaten for that. It'd be like whipping a dog for not meowing.

[jrandom]

jumped up fucker... Fucker... Fucker.

I'm starting to get the impression that you might dislike the man.

:laugh:

Met him, have you? Given you personal offense, has he?

Hmmm?

Only comment I'd make on this specific case is that I'll pass no judgment and make no comment unless a court convicts him of assault.

Until then, it's all bullshit and jellybeans.

I'm sickened by the inevitable slavering mob that eats from the media's gleefully outstretched hand, soaking up the advertisements that drip from it, every time some sordid little celebrity story hits the headlines.

This thread is pathetic.

[wildcat_lgf]

what I find ironic about the whole incident...is that Trevor Mallard is commenting on the issue - the very man who got in a fight with another politician.

Where does he get off passing judgment? Surely what's good for the goose is good for the gander? (i.e. in both cases they are physical assault)

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'm starting to get the impression that you might dislike the man.

:laugh:

Met him, have you? Given you personal offense, has he?

Hmmm?

Only comment I'd make on this specific case is that I'll pass no judgment and make no comment unless a court convicts him of assault.

Until then, it's all bullshit and jellybeans.

I'm sickened by the inevitable slavering mob that eats from the media's gleefully outstretched hand, soaking up the advertisements that drip from it, every time some sordid little celebrity story hits the headlines.

This thread is pathetic.

no I havent met him. Yes he has given me personal offense. I dont have to meet someone to hate them. I hate ALL

[Skyryder]

It is ok to hit some people in certain circumstances. To deny this is just plain retarded.[/B]


Of course this only applies to 'other' people and 'not' your self.

Skyyrder

[Skyryder]

Not picking on you FJ - honest. :dodge:



OK. Deep breath. There is an emerging school of thought that in evolutionary psychology, men are prone to violent reactions to verbal challenges. In other words, our primitive response to getting a tongue-lashing is to biff the other person. Actions speak louder than words.

What this means is that men are vulnerable compared to women, who have much better verbal skills and are able to wind men up. Men can't reply fast enough so they deal with the problem in a physical way.

Don't get me wrong, I think family violence is abhorrent and this is not an excuse for men hitting women. It is however an explanation.

For lack of 'self control.'

Skyryder

[Mom]

Standing in the dairy this morning waiting to be served, I see Tony Veitch has already sold his story to Womans Day! What a cock!

[Number One]

Standing in the dairy this morning waiting to be served, I see Tony Veitch has already sold his story to Womans Day! What a cock!
No Mom apparently he has FINALLY sold his story to Womans day :rolleyes:

[peasea]

Standing in the dairy this morning waiting to be served, I see Tony Veitch has already sold his story to Womans Day! What a cock!

Most of it appears to be a re-hash of a 2003 interview. It mentions that Veitch refused to talk to Woman's Day when they called him more recently.

[Number One]

Most of it appears to be a re-hash of a 2003 interview. It mentions that Veitch refused to talk to Woman's Day when they called him more recently.
SO then their statement on the tv ad for this issue of 'Tony Veitch FINALLY breaks his silence" is total and complete bollocks then :rolleyes: Typical!

[Pussy]

Pfffft! No-one seems to give a damn when Gassit Girl (Annie the Muss) gives ME a hiding....

[Number One]

Pfffft! No-one seems to give a damn when Gassit Girl (Annie the Muss) gives ME a hiding....
That's cos we are all egging her on :jerry:

[peasea]

SO then their statement on the tv ad for this issue of 'Tony Veitch FINALLY breaks his silence" is total and complete bollocks then :rolleyes: Typical!


My significant other half has a copy of the mag here, I've read the 'interview'. They quote "a source" and an "insider".

The cover price for WD is $4, so I would suggest that for $4 you're going to get what you pay for; 120 pages of crap.

[Mikkel]

The cover price for WD is $4, so I would suggest that for $4 you're going to get what you pay for; 120 pages of crap.

What a waste of trees... :(

[Badjelly]

The cover price for WD is $4, so I would suggest that for $4 you're going to get what you pay for; 120 pages of crap.


What a waste of trees... :(


Ooh, you guys are in trouble! The Woman's Day readers are going to be after you :dodge:

(I'm know you're a guy, Mikkel. That "my gender is none of your business" business doesn't fool anyone.)

[Mikkel]

(I'm know you're a guy, Mikkel. That "my gender is none of your business" business doesn't fool anyone.)

It's still no business of yours... :cool:

What is WD btw? It's at least 40 short of anything useful.

[peasea]

Ooh, you guys are in trouble! The Woman's Day readers are going to be after you :dodge:

(I'm know you're a guy, Mikkel. That "my gender is none of your business" business doesn't fool anyone.)


Dip me in honey and throoooow me to the lesbians.

[avgas]

Ooh, you guys are in trouble! The Woman's Day readers are going to be after you
No their not. Its a well known fact that womens day readers don't actually do anything except bitch and moan.

[Number One]

Like kbers you mean? :dodge:
SOME kbers that is.....

[slofox]

Now that the ex has laid a formal complaint, does Tony get his 100G's back?

[vifferman]

Now that the ex has laid a formal complaint, does Tony get his 100G's back?
Well... he may well need it, despite the payout he's getting from his TV and radio jobs (that he's now resigned from, to save the ignominy/fallout/bad publicity of being fired). Even with the lump sum payouts ($50k from TV and $15K from radio), his income's taken a huge hit from the $180k (radio) and $200k (TV) he was getting for being a 'celebrity' and motormouth.

[Omega1]

Nah, just a big tub of vasoline and an intro to his future cellmate Bubba

[Storm]

Ohh what a shame- now he doesnt get $380,000 a year for being a big mouth smartarse.
Oh well, life goes on its Friday, I'm sure I can cope

[swedencamilla]

The way things are written up in the papers it sounds like a horrific accident and a serious assault. I however do not particularly trust newspapers. I have worked in hospitals for quite some time and whenever I have known the circumstances regarding an injury or other item and have read about it in the newspaper, they have always gotten something wrong and at times very wrong.

[slowpoke]

I'm sickened by the inevitable slavering mob that eats from the media's gleefully outstretched hand, soaking up the advertisements that drip from it, every time some sordid little celebrity story hits the headlines.

This thread is pathetic.

I wasn't going to go anywhere near this topic.........and now I can rest easy knowing that someone was kind enough enough to eloquently say all that needs to be said......

[Maki]

I wasn't going to go anywhere near this topic.........and now I can rest easy knowing that someone was kind enough enough to eloquently say all that needs to be said......

True. This is going the way it should have gone in the first place, a formal complaint which the police will investigate.

I am sure both parties now regret that they did not deal with this properly at the time it happened. The notion that money would somehow keep this away and keep it quiet was naive. May we all learn something from this.

I know I have learned something. This has given me a view of a dark part of NZ society. Some of the attitudes expressed in connection to this go a long way towards explaining why domestic violence is so prevalent here.

I heard about a question that a teacher put to a class of schoolchildren. The question addressed a hypothetical situation. A member of the All Blacks committed assault against his partner. What should happen? Most of the boys said that he should get a break because he was an All Black... Now what does that tell you?

[awayatc]

I heard about a question that a teacher put to a class of schoolchildren. The question addressed a hypothetical situation. A member of the All Blacks committed assault against his partner. What should happen? Most of the boys said that he should get a break because he was an All Black... Now what does that tell you?

Veitch should talk to Henry.....?:scooter:


Well Veitch didn't get a break.........he gave one.....eh sorry..gave 4.....:shutup:

[McJim]

He must've been standing on a stool. I didn't think he'd be able to reach too far past a kneecap.

[peasea]

The Sensible Sentencing Trust had this to say:

(17th July 2008)

Legal ramifications for Veitch seem warranted says Sensible Sentencing Trust spokesman.

A Spokesman for the Sensible Sentencing Trust says the apparent violence and brutality of Tony Veitch's assault on his former partner, breaking her back in four places was chilling enough. But Peter Jenkins says, “Now we find that he also left her lying on the floor in agony for six hours afterwards before doing anything to get help.”

“His high profile should not be an excuse, and whilst we appreciate that the facts to date have only been divulged via the media, if these accusations are proven in a court of law then surely a conviction and subsequent prison sentence is warranted.

“If his employers had any remaining doubts this should clear them up. The sheer callousness of his actions in not only assaulting her but leaving her in excruciating pain afterwards show that this was far worse than just "lashing out".

“No normal decent man "lashes out" at a woman, let alone with such force that she ends up in a wheelchair for months. Neither money nor words can compensate for the horror of what she must have undergone.” Mr Jenkins said.

“Any normal man convicted of such a thing should expect to spend time in prison. Veitch if convicted should not be exempt because of his high profile, far from it, he should have known better.”

“If convicted Tony Veitch should go to prison if only to send a message to others that this type of behaviour will not be tolerated in society.”

Mr Jenkins said, “As far as his media career afterwards, he should pursue it somewhere else - perhaps Uzbekistan or Iran , if they'll have him.”

Can't help but agree.

[Skyryder]

Yep I notice that too. Six hours before getting conscience. Bloody disgracefull.


Skyryder

[alanzs]

Hit someone, go to jail. Bye, bye tough guy! :doh:

[icekiwi]

Awww come on guys don't be like that..
Don't you's ever give your missus the 'Learn'
FFS..dirty,rotten,violent little cunt,do the crime, do the time

[Indiana_Jones]

What if someone hits you first, can you hit them back?

-Indy

[awayatc]

What if someone hits you first, can you hit them back?

-Indy

Not if he hits you properly........:innocent:

[Sanx]

what I find ironic about the whole incident...is that Trevor Mallard is commenting on the issue - the very man who got in a fight with another politician.

Where does he get off passing judgment? Surely what's good for the goose is good for the gander? (i.e. in both cases they are physical assault)

Was he commenting, or giving advice on how to do it properly?

[alanzs]

Not if he hits you properly........:innocent:

Bingo! My thoughts exactly.... :Oops: