Musical Chairs '09 (MotoGP & WSBK) [Archive]

gav

19th July 2008, 20:25

Melandri may be on the Kawasaki after the winter break with Kawasaki running three bikes until the end of the year. Shinya Nakano may be inline for a return to Kawasaki too, that may leave a spot open for Melandri to return to the Gresini Honda team. Gresini may also talk to Ben Spies, depends how Vermuelan goes, he is considering leaving the Suzuki team, Ducati are talking to him about replacing Bayliss in WSBK.
Rossi and Edwards have both resigned for Yamaha next year.

yod

19th July 2008, 20:44

Xaus to ride the new beemer

that will be interesting

denill

20th July 2008, 07:09

Good news for Gaz. :banana:

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=12660>Rossi's Staying For Two More Years:</A>

k14

20th July 2008, 09:01

Xaus to ride the new beemer

that will be interesting
Yeah I hope they have a good deal with the fairing supplier and painter!

denill

20th July 2008, 09:05

Plus, Melandri to Kawasaki . Latest AMCN mentioned a few moves Bill.
No mention of you yet ? Gaz.

And Melandri has left it till now to put in some good times???

No self repecting MotoGP rider would want to ride that (green) lemon.........:argh:

Cleve

22nd July 2008, 01:09

Yeah I hope they have a good deal with the fairing supplier and painter!

Now, now Kirk, didn't a few people say exactly that in late 2006 when Casey was said to be moving to Ducati for the next year...?! We all know what happened then.

codgyoleracer

22nd July 2008, 09:11

No self repecting MotoGP rider would want to ride that (green) lemon.........:argh:[/QUOTE]

Hey, Ya still gotta luv the green underdog though, An angry bike, with always fringy riders on-board provides for a lot of fun. Who knows one day they might get a combination that gets a bit closer. Dont knock em too hard - theres only just enough on the grid now to call it a "competition" as it is...................... :lol:

Badjelly

22nd July 2008, 09:48

Rossi and Edwards have both resigned for Yamaha next year.

I take it you mean "re-signed"?

denill

22nd July 2008, 11:16

codgyoleracer

22nd July 2008, 11:25

Ant's a goner?

The Kawasaki Competition Manager said:
"I know Anthony is disappointed with his performance this weekend, but it's difficult to identify exactly where his problem is at the moment. He needs to work hard now to justify his place in MotoGP. The Kawasaki Racing Team is here to secure results, and he needs to convince us he can be a part of that. We will speak to him during the summer break to see if we can find some way of improving his form ahead of the next race."

Yet I have always maintained that a 'good wet track' rider is a 'good' rider. The wet track I believe, just levels the playing field. And West is a GOOD wet track rider! Not many will argue against that? :no: :no:

Agreed, Kawasaki changed the motor for this year back toa traction controlled "screamer" - maybe westy has not got on as well with it. They were certainly more consistent last year with DePuniet & West psoting some respectable results aye (wet or dry).
Whether its true or not that kawasaki chase hp over "all else" , I dont know - but they do appear to be lacking a Burgess type fellow that can bring all of the various facets together.
I am not convinced on Hoppers bike development / set up skills either.

denill

22nd July 2008, 11:29

I am not convinced on Hoppers bike development / set up skills either.

Yeah, an 'old' head like Cappirossi coulda been the go for them? :rolleyes:

They certainly need a change in direction - and not necessarily riders.

Cajun

22nd July 2008, 11:31

hacking did well on it on leunga really, for his first ride on it.

merv

22nd July 2008, 13:00

Codgy mentions Burgess and one can't help but be amazed if you add up how many world championships that man has been behind in the last couple of decades. He was at Honda for so long and I guess we could think ah he's got a good bike to work with, but like Rossi he was happy to go to Yamaha and prove himself too. The M1 changed overnight to a championship winner.

Could he do the same with a green coloured bike? I'd say he could.

denill

22nd July 2008, 13:24

Could he do the same with a green coloured bike? I'd say he could.

Really? But we'll never know. :(

But then - we would've thought Burgess and Rossi would have taken the Honda retirement package on offer............ :yes:

merv

22nd July 2008, 13:39

Really? But we'll never know. :(

But then - we would've thought Burgess and Rossi would have taken the Honda retirement package on offer............ :yes:

I reckon if they'd stayed at Honda back then the domination would have continued and the Yamaha would never have got so good as no other teams were anything close back then. The change to 800s definitely made a difference and not to Honda's favour either.

I'm not sure how Hayden would do at Ducati - perhaps he's past his prime now.

denill

22nd July 2008, 14:14

I reckon if they'd stayed at Honda back then the domination would have continued and the Yamaha would never have got so good as no other teams were anything close back then. The change to 800s definitely made a difference and not to Honda's favour either.

Gotta agree with that Merv. :2thumbsup

I'm not sure how Hayden would do at Ducati - perhaps he's past his prime now.

Maybe we'll find out. that would be an interesting scenario tho, eh. :whistle:

denill

2nd August 2008, 14:23

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Jul/080731c.htm>Vermuelen & Spies & co. 2009?</A>

Crasherfromwayback

2nd August 2008, 14:36

Agreed, Kawasaki changed the motor for this year back toa traction controlled "screamer" - maybe westy has not got on as well with it. .

Don't think so. Far as I know the 'screamer' has only been tested...not raced.

k14

2nd August 2008, 18:23

Don't think so. Far as I know the 'screamer' has only been tested...not raced.
Yeah kwaka hasn't pulled it out yet in the races. They need to develop the electronics better apparently. Maybe next year?? Or if one of their development riders go for a wild card at motegi or sepang they might show it. Makes a completely different sounds so would be fairly big news if it was being used.

Ivan

2nd August 2008, 18:37

There was a reason Ducati want Hayden they believe he is capable of another world title I believe it to,

Also bike data showed that the Ducati really favours the rear brake and thatis what Cassey uses alot of rear brake and Ducati beleive that along with Nickys Dirt track background the bike would suit him really well.

I will find link of it on net

pritch

3rd August 2008, 17:38

Also bike data showed that the Ducati really favours the rear brake and thatis what Cassey uses alot of rear brake and Ducati beleive that along with Nickys Dirt track background the bike would suit him really well.

The photos of the RC211V show Hayden uses a different, bigger back brake disc than the dwarf. Haven't got close ups of the 212s yet...

Maybe in Oct?

k14

3rd August 2008, 17:41

Pretty sure it is the same, here is a close up of pedrosa's bike at PI last year. Didn't get one of hayden's though.

Edit: Yep got one of haydens actually. Definately bigger on the 800!

Crasherfromwayback

3rd August 2008, 17:57

I'm not sure how Hayden would do at Ducati - perhaps he's past his prime now.

Maybe we'll find out. that would be an interesting scenario tho, eh. :whistle:

There was a reason Ducati want Hayden they believe he is capable of another world title I believe it to,

I think judging by what Stoner has to say about the Ducati that they (Ducati) feel Hayden with his 'grab it by the horns' flat track style may well suit the Ducati. I think they may be right. The Honda really does seem to be sorted for the dwarf.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Jul/080731a.htm

svr

5th August 2008, 18:40

I think judging by what Stoner has to say about the Ducati that they (Ducati) feel Hayden with his 'grab it by the horns' flat track style may well suit the Ducati. I think they may be right. The Honda really does seem to be sorted for the dwarf.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Jul/080731a.htm

Seems crazy being a young ex-world champ but Hayden may only get 1 more year to do something on an 800. Would rule in SBK tho.

BarryG

11th August 2008, 15:10

Nicky on a Duc has to be an improvement of poor old Marco. Who would have thought he would struggle so much? Mind you, Elias is also a GP winner, and he has no clue either.
There's so much depth amongst riders now, nobody's a slouch, and I see the basic problem as being not enough bikes on the grid. There's no room for Spies, potentially guys like Bautista, Simoncelli, and Dorna is dicking about with 250's and not really seeming concerned about the 800's. That makes no sense to me. Surely they need to be getting more bikes on the grid in the top class.
Cheers
Barry
PS I sure hope Ducati can take Nicky and have him show his first WC wasn't a fluke. He deserves better than Honda's apparent treatment of him since.

denill

12th September 2008, 07:32

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=12948>Sykes to WSBK:</A> etc, etc.

denill

12th September 2008, 08:25

And <a href=http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-hayden-looks-forward-to-ducati-future/>Hayden REALLY is going to Ducati:</A> and is not a happy Honda camper.

Crasherfromwayback

12th September 2008, 09:11

at least him and stoner will be able to share hankies :crybaby:

Mate, can't agree. I think considering his treatment by the big 'H', Hayden has behaved incredibly well.

Cajun

12th September 2008, 09:17

And <a href=http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-hayden-looks-forward-to-ducati-future/>Hayden REALLY is going to Ducati:</A> and is not a happy Honda camper.

that is a very interesting article

Hayden, shows you alot about honda themselfs, and there attitude, him a ex champ, and some young upstart comes and gets best of everything, but like the spoilt sibiliys that happens in familys

roogazza

12th September 2008, 09:24

Weren't Ducati looking at enlisting Gibering again ?
Stoner and Hayden ? who's the number one then ? Gaz.

Cajun

12th September 2008, 09:32

Weren't Ducati looking at enlisting Gibering again ?
Stoner and Hayden ? who's the number one then ? Gaz.

giber be going in one the satilate teams, aka ducati running 5 bikes next season.

Stoner be #1 i would think. But i think ducati are better at having same stuff across the board

denill

12th September 2008, 10:22

Hayden, shows you alot about honda themselfs, and there attitude, him a ex champ, and some young upstart comes and gets best of everything, but like the spoilt sibiliys that happens in familys

Honda really are ruthless bastards. :spanking:
Look at how they shafted Slighty. Told him at a public function that he was gone! :spanking:

denill

12th September 2008, 10:26

giber be going in one the satilate teams, aka ducati running 5 bikes next season.

Stoner be #1 i would think. But i think ducati are better at having same stuff across the board

Yeah, looking like 3 satellite team bikes in 09. Interesting to see how the Ducati camp fares in '09.

Nobody can fail as miserably (and as unexpectedly) as Marco.

roogazza

12th September 2008, 18:11

Yeah, looking like 3 satellite team bikes in 09. Interesting to see how the Ducati camp fares in '09.

Nobody can fail as miserably (and as unexpectedly) as Marco.

Come to think of it Bill , why did Gibering quit Ducati when he did ?
( they would have been 990's then ? )
He may have had a re-think, huh ? Gaz.

ps be nice if Kawasaki and Suzuki would field a couple more each for 09.

gav

12th September 2008, 18:50

Think it was more due to the injury he suffered at the end of the season in a racing incident with ironically Casey Stoner!

Toast

12th September 2008, 19:44

Mate, can't agree. I think considering his treatment by the big 'H', Hayden has behaved incredibly well.

Agreed.

http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=12949

“I don’t have any intention not to do the rest of the season,” he said. “That seems crazy.” He then added, “No, I fully plan on doing the whole season. Unless they lock the door over there on me, I plan on going in there and getting on the bike. It could happen. Honestly, there’s probably people in that box that if I didn’t show up probably would never notice, but I plan on going.”

roogazza

13th September 2008, 08:57

Think it was more due to the injury he suffered at the end of the season in a racing incident with ironically Casey Stoner!

Ok thanks, I must have missed that one. But he wasn't shining on the Ducati though, was he ? Gaz.

gav

14th September 2008, 00:32

He had his moments, taking out his team mate Capirossi probably wasnt one, :Oops: but he very nearly won Phillip Island, he was leading with two laps to go, before it started raining again and he had shagged his tyre, ended up 4th I think.

gav

14th September 2008, 00:39

denill

14th September 2008, 08:59

gav

14th September 2008, 11:52

And who told you that?
Randy Mamola mentioned all this during the Eurosport coverage of FP2? They are all rumours of course but he seemed pretty certain of them. Why, don't you believe me? :innocent:

lostinflyz

14th September 2008, 15:48

Toni Elias back to Gresini Honda, Gibernau riding in a one man Duc team run by the Onde sponsered 125 team? Mika Kallio and Nicolas Canepa to ride in the Alice Pramac team. Ant West possibly on a Kawi WSBK bike?
Dani Pedrosa has one more season with HRC before being given the flick, and HRC run Dovi and Kiyonari.

yea that sounds about what the thinking is today.

In addition JIR has an option on spies for '09 and talk of a split between JIR and Scot, with takayashi (250 JIR rider) being on the bike. . and checa is being touted as possibly the 3rd kwaka rider.

denill

14th September 2008, 16:15

Why, don't you believe me? :innocent:

You know very well what I think of you.

denill

15th September 2008, 09:41

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=12976>Marco goes Green:</A>

gav

16th September 2008, 19:03

Finally confirmed, Hayden goes Red.
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Hayden+joins+Ducati+for+2009

Cajun

16th September 2008, 20:16

Haga going to Ducati to takes Bayliss position is another interesting take, was a rumour he might take over the v4 aprilia.

And Sykes from bsb(rizla team) moving to take haga spot

denill

18th September 2008, 08:55

<a href=http://www.visordown.com/motorcyclenews/view/motogp_biaggi_or_checa_for_2009_comeback/5548.html>Max and/or Carlos back to MotoGP??</A>

steveyb

18th September 2008, 09:55

Gibernau also had some personal family crap go on (lost his very close uncle or grandfather or someone) and had just had enough for then.
Bearing in mind that he has a 250/500/MotoGP background I think he will go well on the new 800 bikes. The SBK riders really are the ones struggling the most in general (besides Marco and Westy). But there is something fundamentally flawed with the Kawasaki and the Ducati seems to suit a certain type of rider (Capirex, Stoner, Hayden??, Bayliss, Gibernau???).
Onde2000 Ducati team with Gibernau run by Nieto family (Onde2000 are a Spanish property development company).

gav

19th September 2008, 07:45

Well to be fair Bayliss hasn't raced the 800 Duc, and Capirossi certainly found the 800 a fair bit different to the 990.
If you're looking at ex WSBK guys then Edwards and Toseland have suffered with the Michelin tyres, and Vermeulan has done OK on the Suzuki hasnt he?

denill

20th September 2008, 07:53

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Sep/080919cu.htm>Biagii on Aprilia in 2009:</A>

denill

20th September 2008, 07:56

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Sep/080919b.htm>And More Musical Chairs:</A>

NZsarge

20th September 2008, 08:02

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Sep/080919cu.htm>Biagii on Aprilia in 2009:</A>

Interesting, cant wait to see the road going version of his new race bike.:niceone:

Cleve

20th September 2008, 11:47

Interesting, cant wait to see the road going version of his new race bike.:niceone:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2008/september/15-21/sep1708-latest-2009-aprilia-rsv4-spy-shots/?&R=EPI-102966

NZsarge

21st September 2008, 09:17

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2008/september/15-21/sep1708-latest-2009-aprilia-rsv4-spy-shots/?&R=EPI-102966

Mint! Cheers.:niceone:

Cleve

21st September 2008, 22:17

Mint! Cheers.:niceone:

Cheers but wait... there's more
http://motorcycledaily.com/22february08_aprilia_rsv4.htm

Cleve

21st September 2008, 22:19

and would you like to hear this thing?

http://picasaweb.google.it/Forotello/RSV4?authkey=Q42Sr2AVjAg#5169866550099616706

NZsarge

22nd September 2008, 10:08

Cheers but wait... there's more
http://motorcycledaily.com/22february08_aprilia_rsv4.htm

Look really nice in profile.

denill

26th September 2008, 07:01

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=13019>Corser and Xaus Are Team Mates:</A>

denill

26th September 2008, 07:06

<a href=http://www.visordown.com/motorcyclenews/view/wsb_rolfo_to_join_biaggi_at_aprilia/5587.html>And Rolfo to Aprilia?</A>

scorry

26th September 2008, 08:07

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=13019>Corser and Xaus Are Team Mates:</A>

so does that leave an opening at yamaha?
its probably filled already tho

Cajun

26th September 2008, 08:08

so does that leave an opening at yamaha?
its probably filled already tho

Rumour has it Spies be heading to yamaha, since suzuki didn't give him a seat.

scorry

26th September 2008, 08:15

Rumour has it Spies be heading to yamaha, since suzuki didn't give him a seat.

and yamaha lost haga too, has he gone to ducati?

Cajun

26th September 2008, 08:20

and yamaha lost haga too, has he gone to ducati?

yes

yamaha have picked up skyes from the britsh superbikes, so losing both there riders will hurt them for next year in development (maybe)

blah scratch that spies is heading to yamaha in motogp not world superbike,

denill

26th September 2008, 08:21

and yamaha lost haga too, has he gone to ducati?

YepYepYepYepYepYep (Needed 10 characters to post).

scorry

26th September 2008, 08:23

so a very young team for yamaha then, im keen to see the new aprillia and the new bmw with the riders they got i think it will be interesting

denill

26th September 2008, 08:28

so a very young team for yamaha then, im keen to see the new aprillia and the new bmw with the riders they got i think it will be interesting

I am not sure about the Spies to Yamaha story??

No doubt Spies is a a talent and if I was a manager I'd be talking to him........ :rolleyes:

Cajun

26th September 2008, 08:29

so a very young team for yamaha then, im keen to see the new aprillia and the new bmw with the riders they got i think it will be interesting

yeah i am looking forward to see how the ape goes pity the rider gonna be full of excuses and blame the bike for poor results

BarryG

26th September 2008, 10:05

Just chiming in here in support of Ben Spies. He is the real thing, I reckon, having seen him ride that second race at Road Atlanta, there was just nothing going to stop him getting to Mladin, it was most impressive.
Then he backs that up with his ride at Indianapolis, in those conditions, and definitely a threat to Pedrosa, who I reckon he would have caught if he didn't have visor fogging problem.
It looks as if his MotoGP chances have gone for next year, the possible available Honda seat likely going to Takahashi. Paul Denning might have had the decision taken out of his hands, but he should be kicking himself for not pushing for Spies given his very solid wild card rides.
I just wonder if Yamaha Italia would be keen on two WSB rookies, with Sykes and Spies, but they could take a flier. I am not sure who would be a good fit if they want someone with experience, not sure who's available. I think Ben's developed a pretty good feel for setup, and I am not sure Haga ever has, so 'experience' in this case may be overrated.
Interesting times..........
Cheers
Barry

denill

26th September 2008, 11:07

Just chiming in here in support of Ben Spies. He is the real thing, I reckon, having seen him ride that second race at Road Atlanta, there was just nothing going to stop him getting to Mladin, it was most impressive. Cheers
Barry

Agree Barry. Anybody who is up there with Miladin is world class! 'Cos Miladin IS world class:yes: :yes:

roogazza

26th September 2008, 15:23

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=13019>Corser and Xaus Are Team Mates:</A>

Should be a good team Bill, if the bikes any good ? Corser, twice World Champ and good developer. Xaus the scrapper !
I've always thought Corser was very much like Edwards, super smooth and experienced.
Feel sorry for Haga, so good late this season , just hasn't quite made No 1. so far ? Gaz.

k14

27th September 2008, 07:27

blah scratch that spies is heading to yamaha in motogp not world superbike,
Nope, all 4 yamaha seats taken (unless they come up with a 5th one). Only unconfirmed seats now are satellite ducati and checcinello's satellite honda team maybe??

Get rid of capirossi i say. He's way past his used by date.

gav

27th September 2008, 09:00

Two more moves confirmed as previously mentioned.
Dovi to Repsol (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Dovizioso+to+switch+to+Repsol+Honda+for+2009)

Takahashi to Scot MotoGP (http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/Takahashi+to+ride+in+MotoGP+with+Scot+Racing+in+20 09)

gav

27th September 2008, 09:02

Wonder if JiR can sort another (non Honda) bike?
http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2008/JiR+announce+Honda+separation+for+2009

gav

27th September 2008, 12:45

I am not sure about the Spies to Yamaha story??

No doubt Spies is a a talent and if I was a manager I'd be talking to him........ :rolleyes:
Sounds like Spies will be moving to Yamaha, but looks like its an AMA Superbike ride only. It would make sense to see Edwards and Spies swap, Edwards to race back in AMA and Spies to MotoGP.

gav

27th September 2008, 13:04

Alex Debon maybe in line for the 3rd Kawasaki ride to be run by Aspar Martinez.
Sounds like Carlos Checa will stay in WSBK with Honda, ( wise move! )

denill

27th September 2008, 14:34

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Sep/080926rn.htm>Ryder Discuses the Pros and Cons:</A>

slowpoke

27th September 2008, 22:21

Sounds like Spies will be moving to Yamaha, but looks like its an AMA Superbike ride only.

Hmmmm, that's one out of the blue if it's true.

If it happens it's a shame it didn't happen under the current series rules to show what a great rider he is. A lot of people dis' Mladin and Spies for being on the dominant bike but it would sure shut 'em up when he put another bike on the top of the box.

I don't know that he'd take an almost inevitable pay cut to go to WSBK but maybe he'll use it as a learning experience with the European tracks. He's young enough to do well there and then jump to MotoGP, but the risk is that if he doesn't do well then MotoGP is out the window. Still, with the furore in the 'States over conflicting Superbike series it's good motivation to get the hell out of Dodge.

He's in an awkward spot, I don't know what I'd do if I was in his shoes but it would be a nice problem to have.

denill

28th September 2008, 08:20

Get rid of capirossi i say. He's way past his used by date.

Yeah, he probably is but check out the Montegi grid. ;)

gav

28th September 2008, 10:12

And Capirossi has won at Motegi for the last 3 years! :whistle:

pritch

28th September 2008, 11:03

Capirossi an inspiration to us all, a short ugly guy who has managed to score a drop dead gorgeous missus.

denill

28th September 2008, 13:05

Capirossi an inspiration to us all, a short ugly guy who has managed to score a drop dead gorgeous missus.

Yeah. And with a better bank balance than any of us. Oh well............. :weep:

roogazza

29th September 2008, 09:04

Yeah. And with a better bank balance than any of us. Oh well............. :weep:
Thats what you get with a bank balance Bill, haven't you worked that out yet ?
Hasn't helped me yet !!!!!!! Maybe the balance isn't big enough ? Gaz.

denill

30th September 2008, 10:47

<a href=http://www.visordown.com/motorcyclenews/view/scoop_haslam_to_ride_kiyos_bike_in_wsb/5610.html>Leon Haslam to ride Kiyonari's WSB Honda in the penultimate race of the world series:</A>

And

<a href=http://www.visordown.com/motorcyclenews/view/wsb_shakey_byrne_to_sterilgarda/5612.html>Shakey Byrne to Sterilgarda:</A>

Cleve

1st October 2008, 00:41

Alex Debon to the 3rd Moto GP Kawasaki OR 2nd Aprilia in WSBK...hmmm...

denill

1st October 2008, 08:49

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=13053>Ten Kate Line-up. Official:</A>

roogazza

1st October 2008, 12:51

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=13053>Ten Kate Line-up. Official:</A>

'So fog loo' back from whence he came, huh ?
Rea and Pitt should be good, Checa, double in USA , But must be getting near the end ? Gaz. <_<

Cleve

2nd October 2008, 00:26

http://www.worldsbk.com/pubb_EN/news_ext.php?id=2588
Ben Spies to WSBK Yamaha.

slowpoke

2nd October 2008, 03:01

http://www.worldsbk.com/pubb_EN/news_ext.php?id=2588
Ben Spies to WSBK Yamaha.

That's a coup for Yamaha, and despite missing MotoGP, Sies will be happy to have scored one of the best rides in WSBK. I can't wait to see how he goes.

The 2009 championship is gonna be a ripper with great new bikes from Aprilia and BMW joining the fray, Spies in, and Bayliss leaving the scene open for the old campaigners (Biaggi, Corser, Haga, Checa) keen to grab a title before they sign off.

gav

2nd October 2008, 05:37

That's a big move from Yamaha to have a new bike with two rookies on board. Will be very interesting to see how they go. :Punk:

denill

2nd October 2008, 10:04

<a href=http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/wsbk-houseworth-to-join-spies-at-yamaha/>Rockstar Makita Suzuki's Loss - Yamaha's Gain:</A> Could very well be a good move by Yamaha?? <_<

steveyb

2nd October 2008, 10:55

Don't forget Tom Sykes in the Yamaha team. Will be great to see the US vs UK attitude and ability to adapt to being in the world.

denill

3rd October 2008, 06:11

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=13063>Elias Back to Gresini:</A>

denill

3rd October 2008, 09:59

<a href=http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-west-melandri-in-for-a-big-surprise//P1/>Another Aussie Who Says What he Thinks:</A>

wharfy

3rd October 2008, 10:16

<a href=http://moto-racing.speedtv.com/article/motogp-west-melandri-in-for-a-big-surprise//P1/>Another Aussie Who Says What he Thinks:</A>

That seems like pretty shabby treatment, reminds me of what Arron Slight said in his book about his departure from HRC .

- MotoGP riders need a union !!!

Cleve

3rd October 2008, 12:28

That seems like pretty shabby treatment, reminds me of what Arron Slight said in his book about his departure from HRC .

- MotoGP riders need a union !!!

Actually to me reads more like what a whinger the guy is and how slightly unrealistic he is.
If both Yamaha WSS and Kawasaki MotoGP and Kawasaki WSBK all don't want him you have to ask is he just a Biaggi with a little less talent...

denill

3rd October 2008, 12:35

Actually to me reads more like what a whinger the guy is and how slightly unrealistic he is.
If both Yamaha WSS and Kawasaki MotoGP and Kawasaki WSBK all don't want him you have to ask is he just a Biaggi with a little less talent...

I know I'm going against the flow here Cleve, but I have a lot of respect for West as he has put in some brilliant rides in the many different classes he has competed in.

And you've gotta admit - that Kawasaki is a bit of a disgrace to a maque with a rep for get up and go machinery............... <_<

wharfy

3rd October 2008, 15:38

Actually to me reads more like what a whinger the guy is and how slightly unrealistic he is.
If both Yamaha WSS and Kawasaki MotoGP and Kawasaki WSBK all don't want him you have to ask is he just a Biaggi with a little less talent...

Even if he was crap I would have thought it polite to let him know he was on notice so he could put some feelers out for another ride (or job if no one wanted him). I am assuming that he had some sort of previous form or they wouldn't have hired him in the first place.
I'd be a bit miffed if my boss ignored all of my feedback about improving system reliability and performance then sacked me because the systems weren't performing. Especially if I found out from someone else first !!

Of course I am not in the top 18 or 20 systems programmers in the world :)
Umm... or even Wellington probably :(

If an encumbent (how do you spell that ?) All Black is not going to be selected the coach gives him a call before the press find out.

SPman

3rd October 2008, 15:52

http://www.motogpmatters.com/page/2008/08/26/who_s_going_where_in_motogp_in_2009_sill.html

denill

3rd October 2008, 16:22

http://www.motogpmatters.com/page/2008/08/26/who_s_going_where_in_motogp_in_2009_sill.html

Hey, that's a good read - and a good summary. :2thumbsup :2thumbsup

Cleve

3rd October 2008, 22:08

Even if he was crap I would have thought it polite to let him know he was on notice so he could put some feelers out for another ride (or job if no one wanted him). I am assuming that he had some sort of previous form or they wouldn't have hired him in the first place.
I'd be a bit miffed if my boss ignored all of my feedback about improving system reliability and performance then sacked me because the systems weren't performing. Especially if I found out from someone else first !!

Of course I am not in the top 18 or 20 systems programmers in the world :)
Umm... or even Wellington probably :(

If an encumbent (how do you spell that ?) All Black is not going to be selected the coach gives him a call before the press find out.

Yes but that is HIS version of events and I don't necessarily think that may be the case. He moans that Yamaha didn't contact him and that Kawasaki never talked with him. In a way I can't say I blame them. Earlier in the 250's he moaned about how Aprilia weren't helping... after all this you just have to wonder, is it really all them or is actually just Ant West?

Oh yes and those precious wee All Blacks need to be let down softly these days don't they...

roogazza

4th October 2008, 08:26

Yes but that is HIS version of events and I don't necessarily think that may be the case. He moans that Yamaha didn't contact him and that Kawasaki never talked with him. In a way I can't say I blame them. Earlier in the 250's he moaned about how Aprilia weren't helping... after all this you just have to wonder, is it really all them or is actually just Ant West?

Oh yes and those precious wee All Blacks need to be let down softly these days don't they...

+ 1 Agree, It'll all come out no doubt , But the guy certainly is great in the wet. Always two sides to this stuff. Gaz

gav

4th October 2008, 21:16

Another hot rumour, Sylvain Guintoli to Rizla Suzuki in BSB.

denill

5th October 2008, 07:38

<a href=http://www.visordown.com/motorcyclenews/view/wsb_haslam_will_ride_a_honda_in_2009_wsb/5656.html>Haslam to Stiggy:</A>

NZsarge

6th October 2008, 09:28

Without going through the whole thread...
Who is taking Haga and Corser's seat's next year?

Cajun

6th October 2008, 09:28

Without going through the whole thread...
Who is taking Haga and Corser's seat's next year?

spies from ama is taking one, off top of head can't remember other

NZsarge

6th October 2008, 09:31

spies from ama is taking one, off top of head can't remember other

Hmm, interesting.
Wonder how he will be developing the all new bike next year....
Oh...and thanks. :niceone:

k14

6th October 2008, 15:04

spies from ama is taking one, off top of head can't remember other
Tom Sykes from Rizla Suzuki in BSB.

Cajun

6th October 2008, 15:06

Tom Sykes from Rizla Suzuki in BSB.

two Suzuki riders taking the two Yamaha spots.

lostinflyz

6th October 2008, 16:20

sykes and spies. can't see that getting confusing

denill

10th October 2008, 10:31

<a href=http://www.visordown.com/motorcyclenews/view/wsb_polita_to_join_byrne_at_sterilgarda_ducati/5695.html>Polita joins Byrne at Sterilgarda Ducati</A>

denill

16th October 2008, 13:27

Dunno if you agree but I found this <a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Oct/081015-21.htm>Interview: Ducati World Superbike Champion Troy Bayliss;</A> fascinating reading.

Cajun

16th October 2008, 13:31

Dunno if you agree but I found this <a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Oct/081015-21.htm>Interview: Ducati World Superbike Champion Troy Bayliss;</A> fascinating reading.

yeah i read that this morning was good reading

roogazza

16th October 2008, 13:45

denill

16th October 2008, 15:30

Cheers Bill, thanks for that, great champion isn't he . Gaz.

Cheers Gaz. Yeah, and he also comes across as a great guy, eh.

A good role model.

denill

19th October 2008, 06:16

Anthony West will be returning to World Supersport in 2009 with the Stiggy Honda team. He’ll be replaced by Marco Melandri on the Kawasaki team.

http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=13113

denill

19th October 2008, 14:07

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2008/Oct/081018rn8.htm> It looks as if the fifth Ducati is on. Onde 2000 today announced the retirement of their 125cc rider Pablo Nieto and simultaneously said that he will stay in the sport in a new capacity along side his brother Angel Junior. The Nietos will front Onde 2000's new MotoGP team in MotoGP with Sete Gibernau expected to be announced as the rider in Valencia next weekend.</a>

KS34

19th October 2008, 14:18

Any news on KTM? are they still coming to WSBK? if so any riders mentioned.

gav

20th October 2008, 18:24

Pramac sign Canepa and Kallio!
http://www.crash.net/motorsport/motogp/news/170718-0/pramac_signs_canepa_kallio.html

Surprised? Remember where you saw it first! :whistle:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showpost.php?p=1728929&postcount=43

denill

22nd October 2008, 09:09

<a href=http://www.visordown.com/motorcyclenews/view/wss_garry_mccoy_to_race_again_for_triumph/5763.html>McCoy Rides Again!!</A>

You cant keep a good man down. :eek:

gav

27th October 2008, 19:20

Shinya Nakano off to WSBK joining Max Biaggi on the new Aprilia V4!

denill

10th December 2008, 06:22

Gosh, it's quiet around here........

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=13245>Brendan Roberts is to ride WSBK in '09</A>

codgyoleracer

10th December 2008, 10:36

Look - there goes a tumbleweed...........

(still faster than a KR Proton though)

roogazza

10th December 2008, 10:39

Gosh, it's quiet around here........

<a href=http://www.cyclenews.com/ShowStory.asp?HeadlineID=13245>Brendan Roberts is to ride WSBK in '09</A>

Cheers bud, I mentioned that a couple of months ago and got jumped on !

I read yesterday in the latest AMCN , electronics to be looked at for 2010.
Your boy 'Wingnut' better make the most of 09 huh, Bill ? lol just a thought for ya over xmas !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gaz.xxxxxxxxxxxx

Cajun

10th December 2008, 10:47

interesting reading here from Guintoli, about his time on ducati motogp

http://www.crash.net/motorsport/motogp/news/172526-0/guintoli_stoner_understood_something_we_didnt.html

"Everyone in MotoGP relies a lot on electronics," said Guintoli, in answer to a question about the amount of electronics used by Stoner. "Casey is fast first because he is very talented and second because he obviously understood something about his bike that lots of other riders can't (me included!). More traction control doesn't make faster lap times; it's all a question of balance and confidence of the rider."

denill

10th December 2008, 11:00

codgyoleracer

10th December 2008, 12:08

A good read (Gaz may not agree, lol.). Gotta give the Frenchie marks for being up-front. The sorta guy that I would sponsor. <_<
Traction control aint doin a lot when goin into the corners - & all of those guys go in damm stinkin fast. Thats where a good chunk of the skill & time is, coming out is still relavant to the speed through the corner & no amount of traction control is going to make up for lack of skill goin in & through.......
Your guys thoughts ?
Glen

denill

10th December 2008, 12:22

codgyoleracer

10th December 2008, 12:48

roogazza

10th December 2008, 13:52

Traction control aint doin a lot when goin into the corners - & all of those guys go in damm stinkin fast. Thats where a good chunk of the skill & time is, coming out is still relavant to the speed through the corner & no amount of traction control is going to make up for lack of skill goin in & through.......
Your guys thoughts ?
Glen

So if they're all bloody fast going in without Traction Con, the difference is in the middle and coming out with throttle control ? (if you have no traction C.)

(the wife says I'm fast going in, but too fast on exit !!!!) Gaz.

ps Bill, we've seen Wingnut before, without TC ??? :shutup:

lostinflyz

10th December 2008, 15:35

Was it Rossi that says something like "Give me the best possible tyre for the front - & anything round & black for the back" (or something like that).

Indicates the importance of the front hoop & the first/middle part of the corner compared to the exit........

possibly. kiyonari said basically the same thing when asked about his wet laps at donnington. so long as he could trust the front he could care less where the arse went.

wharfy

10th December 2008, 17:14

possibly. kiyonari said basically the same thing when asked about his wet laps at donnington. so long as he could trust the front he could care less where the arse went.

I used to know a guy like that..

Oh.. sorry, I read LIPS and THRUST

Cleve

10th December 2008, 17:48

Honda have suddenly pulled out of F1 for next year. Would they do something similar to MotoGP??!! They are 1/3 of the bikes on the grid...

Cajun

11th December 2008, 06:58

Day One Of Kyalami WSBK Test
---------
1. Michel Fabrizio (Ducati) - 1'41"204
2. Ben Spies (Yamaha) - 1'41"599
3. Max Neukirchner (Suzuki) - 1'41"713
4. Noriyuki Haga (Ducati) - 1'41"730
5. Yukio Kagayama (Suzuki) - 1'41"755
6. Shinya Nakano (Aprilia) - 1'41"846
7. Max Biaggi (Aprilia) - 1'42"446
8. Riuichi Kiyonari (Honda) - 1'42"744
9. Troy Corser (BMW) - 1'42"975
10. Ruben Xaus (BMW) - 1'43"274

---------
Interesting to see Spies in 2nd on first day first time on that track

denill

17th January 2009, 05:35

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jan/090115u3v0.htm># World Superbike Entry List Is Double the Size Of The MotoGP Entry List:</A> :msn-wink:

slowpoke

17th January 2009, 06:27

<a href=http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/Jan/090115u3v0.htm># World Superbike Entry List Is Double the Size Of The MotoGP Entry List:</A> :msn-wink:

Yep, quality and quantity.

With the likes of Shakey Byrne, Leon Haslam and Ben Spies joining the dog fight it's gonna be a helluva season.

With Aprilia and BMW joining as well it's hard to believe that just a few short years ago half the field was on one make of bike.