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geoffm
20th July 2008, 20:56
Well, I went and had a nosey at bikes since the Beemer k100RS-16v is soon to be the property of the insurance company...
I am 6'2" tall and 95kg (so that is where the pies went) - so finding bikes that fit can be hard. I find some sports bikes fit well and some are just impossible, as the joints don't take being folded up that well these days. Keep that in mind with the following comments on fit.

AMPS didn't have a demo of the ST, but Holeshot did - a new red one. By new, I mean 12 (count em - 12) km on the clock, so I took it out for a quick ride. Being so new, giving it a proper revving wasn't an option out of consideration to the future owner, so I kept around the recommended limits.
This was hard, as it is a motor that likes to rev. The motor is a beauty, wanna go? just open the throttle and you do, smooth and effortless, anytime anywhere, and you can make good speed on real roads as a result. The motor really is fantastic, and sounds good too. I would have liked to rev it out -it showed so much promise of good things to come.
Handling was good, with the bike tracking well over bumps and going exactly where you want to. This bike could frighten some more sporty machinery when ridden in anger.

The 07-08 model has higher bars and screen than the 05-06, and I would say they are pretty good for a long trip. Mirrors are better than the funky shape would lead you to believe, with a good rear view and stayed clear throughout.

Things I didn't like:
The seat was the main one. The distance between the pillion hump and the tank isn't that big and it locks you into position without being able to move and it slopes into the tank so you slide forward. I really wanted anothe rcouple of inches further back - I had more space on a R1. Dodgy hips make this more noticeable for me these days than when I was younger, and a Corbin or Rider seat might fix it. The Blackbird seat at Cyclespot next door was noticeably roomer, but with lower bars. VFR was a pretty damn good fit as well.

Minor niggles:
The underseat exhaust fires heat over your right leg in traffic. Not a biggy, but noticeable. They have added more heat proofing to the exhaust over the 05-06 model after complaints the pillion seat got to hot.
The gearbox was notchy and a bit clunky - this is probably more a case of being new. Ditto a bit of snatchiness in traffic (of which there was plenty) at low revs.
It comes standard with the panniers (a good selling point), but IMO they are nowhere as good as the BMW ones, which I will admit have Tardis like proportions, if somewhat boring appearance. The later (K1200+) panniers weren't as good, with a big cutout for the upswept exhaust. The BMW ones attach at 3 points, giving a solid mounting, the Trumpy ones hook over the top rail and that's it. I don't know if it is an issue in practice. The Trumpy ones look better, with colour match painting, but doesn't have the rubber bump strips of the BMW luggage. Wonder how it stands up to the bangs that luggage gets? The official Triumph top box is extra - $1100 extra! I think a Ventura packrack bracket, homemade adapter bracket and Givi top box would be the go as long as the panniers still work, if not as sharp looking.

The ride wasn't long enough to really make a proper judgment, but I really wanted to like this bike. The only thing that I really had against it was the seat and position. I think it needs a longer ride to be sure...
List price is $21k + ORC and includes panniers, plus I would add things like heated grips and a packrack for daily use - say another $1k fitted. ABS is a theoretical option for another $1k. They don't bring the ABS version in, and if you wanted it, it would have to be ordered in with a delivery of 'who knows when".
Other bikes in this market area include a number which are cheaper:
Honda VFR800 or Blackbird ($17k + $1500 Givi racks) - i think the Bird is only second hand and Honda don't have a replacement listed.
another BMW ($33k - yeah right!)
1250 Bandit ($14k ish with bags - prefer the ST although the bandit is undoubtedly value for money)
Maybe a Busa ($21-23k + bags)
and probably some others.

BTW good service from Holeshot (which is coincidentally where the BMW came from 8 years ago). No worries taking the bike out, so long as I was back by closing time. The same policy worked to make me me the Beemer before...
Another dealer, who shall remain nameless although has a similarity to a WW1 pilot, in previous times before I bought the Beemer insisted that I follow a certain route, about 7km long. Not a good way to test a big bike when you can't get out of first gear and so it was no sale when I was seriously looking.
Seriously people, you can't expect someone to drop this sort of coin without a proper test ride. No demo, no sale, end of story. It is a cost of doing business. i buy bikes to keep for a long time, if only as I cannot afford to replace them, so a bad decision is around for a long, long time and cost s a lot of money.

Anyone have any comments on Triumph parts prices and availability and ease of DIY servicing? I have heard bad things about Triumph NZ, and how they would put BMW extortionate prices and service to shame. US & UK prices didn't seem to bad for typical bodywork parts I looked up on the 'net. NZ does tend to be ripped off in this regard.
Geoff

Devil
20th July 2008, 21:07
Bought my Triumph new from holeshot.
Parts and availability: I've never had to to wait more than a week for any part, and that week was only once. Everything else has been overnight or two days. Servicing parts are fairly cheap although BMW made an identical fuel filter which was half the price.

Ease of servicing on the Speed Four at least was excellent, very easy airbox access and sparkplug access. Plus the 10,000km service intervals made it a winner for me.

I would have no hestitation buying a Triumph again.
This is not to mention the outstanding service I have always received from Holeshot, particularly the service dept (Rob in particular). Always had decent loaners when time to service too.

RantyDave
20th July 2008, 22:37
Sounds like a lot of money for something with too much in the "don't like" list. Particularly when one of those is the seat.

Dave

Pumba
21st July 2008, 08:28
I, and at least one other person who I know brought a speed triple (seperate dealerships so wasnt there falt), have had a few issues getting all the aftermarket pieces that were ment to come with the bike as part of there run out specials, nothing major just more of an anoyance than anything else.

Genuine goodies through truiumph NZ arnt the cheapest by a long shot (check out the prices here (http://www.triumph.co.uk/newzealand/)) but there are a few UK and USA web sites taht deliver for quite a bit cheaper.

The sprint is a great bike and for its size can really get up and go, I tested one from bayride and even managed to get the front wheel hovering just off the ground exiting a rpound about:shit: but sounds like it may just not be a good fit for you.

Blackbird
21st July 2008, 09:52
Other bikes in this market area include a number which are cheaper:
Honda VFR800 or Blackbird ($17k + $1500 Givi racks) - i think the Bird is only second hand and Honda don't have a replacement listed.

Geoff

There are a few new 'birds still available but they are run-out models. Second hand ones are just fine. 'bird motors are practically unburstable with a number of the UK owners racking up over 200,000 MILES with no major engine work. The reg/rec and alternator weaknesses were put to bed in 2003 and you only need to change the cam chain tensioners every 60000 km or so (a 1 hour job).

I changed from a K100RS to a 'bird 6 1/2 years ago. I actually found the 'bird easier to ride apart from really long hauls like the Grand Challenge and Southern Cross. However, a Rider brand seat took care of numb bum and I fitted custom lowered pegs a year ago to take care of cartilage damage in my knees. The lower bars haven't really troubled me although you can either fit VFR 800 bars or custom ones by F1 engineering if you want to raise them.

Any of the bikes you mention are superb and if you're like me, it will finally depend on which one "does it for you" at an emotional level.

Cheers,

Geoff

F5 Dave
21st July 2008, 14:43
Can't really help, I test rode one a year ago in a fit of 'Gee my RF is shit & I want something better'. My impression was that it had a brilliant engine & in fact everything was just peachy, like a big appliance, but without setting my pants on fire. I guess that's kind of a Honda compliment. I resolved to come back for a longer test ride.

And then totally changed my mind in the mean time going in a totally different direction. Think the RF is still in the garage somewhere.

Coming into unexpected money I'd buy one without too much more thought, but at 5'8 it fit me well.

vifferman
21st July 2008, 14:51
My impression was that it had a brilliant engine & in fact everything was just peachy, like a big appliance, but without setting my pants on fire. I guess that's kind of a Honda compliment.
LOLzer...
I test-rode a whole gaggle (giggle?) of Hondas back-to-back a few years ago, including a CBR1000. I thought at the time that it was the nicest, smoothest bike I'd ever ridden, and at the same time I sorta instinctively knew I'd get bored with that. :laugh:
Character is good. :niceone:


As long as it doesn't leave you stranded at the side of the road in the dark and rain....

My FahrtSturm was chock full of character - on wet days, it would run on 1.237 cylinders (approximately). Nothing like riding in peak-hour traffic in heavy rain, with the bike behaving like an epileptic pony between your legs... :pinch:

laRIKin
21st July 2008, 18:02
Well since I have just bought a new 08 Sprint I should say something.:wait:

Where do I start and do not want to type a long post.
All in all I'm very happy with this sport tourer.
I find it easy to ride and as you have said the motor is great and love's to revs.

I have opened up the exhaust and put the TOR mapping and a K&N filter and that woke up the motor even more.

My local Triumph shop is very good and looks after me, so service is very good and are happy.

The only thing I would like to do is put firmer springs in the forks and would love to put a set of Speed Triple forks on so I can play with the adjusters.
All in all it just needs stronger springs.

I may put some of the lower clip-on bars, not to sure at the moment.
And may put a GIVI top box rack on the back as I have GIVI bags already, if I need to carry more gear.
As there is two of us on two bikes I do not need to carry all the gear by myself.

I like the seat and how it holds me in place and do not find the heat a problem, but then again I do not ride around town much or for long on my bike.

I do like the trip computer and dash, mirrors etc.

PS: The gear box does get better with a bit of time and a extra early oil change about 5k.

EgliHonda
21st July 2008, 19:19
Just bought a 2006 ST myself, and fits beautifully (also 6'2", albeit a bit slimmer at 88kg) Wife likes pillion too (she's just on 6', and well under 88kg - in case she's reading). Tried out Ducati ST3 and VFR but found the Triumph a perfect mix between character and boring reliability. That triple has a nice howl as it winds up too (Triumph sports exhaust fitted). Grab a copy of latest BRM as it has a used bike write-up of 2005 ST (comparing against the two bikes I was contemplating interestingly) and cannot fault it... Agree on test rides, loved the sound of the Duc but felt a bit cramped and the fact they don't make them any more made my mind up... Plus I 'needed' a triple for the collection. Good luck choosing, make the most of the opportunity.

RentaTriumph
21st July 2008, 20:30
Anyone have any comments on Triumph parts prices and availability and ease of DIY servicing? I have heard bad things about Triumph NZ, and how they would put BMW extortionate prices and service to shame. US & UK prices didn't seem to bad for typical bodywork parts I looked up on the 'net. NZ does tend to be ripped off in this regard.
Geoff

Hi Geoffm

I have 07 Sprints and the new 07 Tiger. By the sounds of it being so tall and explaining what you do not like about the Sprint, have you considered the Tiger?. The Tiger is going for $19.900 at the moment with panniers. The Tigers seating is more upright but in my experience the Tiger is by far the nicer ride of the two bikes especially over longer distances. I have Ventura brackets, pack racks and bags for my Sprints and Tiger and can thoroughly recommend them.