Polls/ media/election/Government? Will it be what "YOU" wanted!

[oldrider]

Here we go again, the media have begun the massaging of the polls!

Effectively closing the (so called) gap between National and Labour.

The net result will be a two horse race between Tweedledum and Tweedledee with the usual scramble for minor party support to form a government!

New Zealand will get the government the media orchestrates and it will be called democratic.......yea right!

Tui government more like it! :yawn: Wake up New Zealand. :brick:

Vote for the government that "YOU" want, the only true poll is the election! :soon: Good luck,John.

[ManDownUnder]

Vote for the government that "YOU" want, the only true poll is the election! :soon: Good luck,John.
I will but I have woefully low expectations on my fellow voters to make an informed choice.

It's so much easier to be totally passive and wait for the election messages (and polls) to come to us, not bother thinking then engage "herd-drive" and follow the masses we like the look of to the polling booth.

I'll be celebrating if Winnie the pooh gets the boot from Parliament though. He's a brilliant polly, just so totally self serving, and transparant with it.

[Indiana_Jones]

What I find classic is how Labour goes "oh polls mean nothing" or "we don't listen to the polls" when the polls say Labour is doing poorly.

But as soon as the 'gap' closes they go "oh we're pleased the gap has closed" :laugh:

-Indy

[Blackbird]

I will but I have woefully low expectations on my fellow voters to make an informed choice.

It's so much easier to be totally passive and wait for the election messages (and polls) to come to us, not bother thinking then engage "herd-drive" and follow the masses we like the look of to the polling booth.

I'll be celebrating if Winnie the pooh gets the boot from Parliament though. He's a brilliant polly, just so totally self serving, and transparant with it.

I have woefully low expectations of any party to make informed, long-term decisions which will be to the benefit of the country rather than short term popularity decisions. The primary strategy is to do mybest to make sure our family are well looked after by my own efforts, irrespective of which party is in power.

It may be contentious, but I'm really disappointed that National is offering "me too" tax cuts. My vote would have immediately gone to any party who had pledged an equivalent amount into education and health. Nonetheless, I know how I'm voting without the need for media drivel.

I'm with you re: Winnie:2thumbsup. Slippery bastard. I'd be REALLY pissed off with National if they offer him a significant position if/when they come to power and make any coalition deals.

[Jez]

National = Labour

they are effectively the same damned deal ... Labour will lose out this election solely due to the external factors effecting New Zealanders.

Petrol is up - not our fault, but Labour in power when it happened so NZ public hold them responsible
Commodity Prices up - same as above
Credit crisis - as above

Labour have done many many good things over the past terms they have had, could you try and imagine where low income families would be now if it werent for the working for families scheme as an example.

but because of all that has happened that is totally out of their control the New Zealand public will initiate a change in office ... unfortunately National will do exactly the same thing and there will be only a change in name, not in policy.

The problem i find myself in is that i want my vote to count ... but i dont feel any of the parties are deserving of that vote ...

[Flatcap]

Labour have done many many good things over the past terms they have had, could you try and imagine where low income families would be now if it werent for the working for families scheme as an example.


Well, I think it's time for middle income families to finally have a break. Labour will never deliver that

[Hinny]

The subtle and not so subtle indoctrination has begun.
Bond and Bond's latest ad proclaims 'The economy's stuffed'.
This in spite of our latest termas of trade being the best for 34 years. The gap between low and high incomes marrowing and the Dominion Post trumpeting 'The Death of Poverty' due they say to the 'Working for Families' scheme.
Will National announce any policy this time around? They had 2 on their web site before the last election. By not announcing any policy they have no promises to live up to.
Hints of privatisation of ACC is scary. Can't they look at the US health system and see how hopeless it is?
Would they send troops of to Iraq if given the opportunity?
They were certainly supportive of that idea in the past and did in fact send troops off to engage in a covert war of terror. I would be less than pleased if it was any of my children they were sending off to kill innocent men, women and children in an unsnctioned, illegal war.
The Nats have always been ready to condemn the 'Trendy Intellectuals'. Given the calibre of their candidates I would suggest there wouldn't be too much chance of condemning any of their own.

[Flatcap]

By not announcing any policy they have no promises to live up to.

....because politicians always keep their promises.....

[Hinny]

The enviable thing about Labour and their 'Pledge Cards' was that, in spite of having to work in a less than ideal environment due to MMP, they were able to fulfill all of their pledges.
I think it would be nice to see 'Pledge Cards' from every party.

[Mom]

I'm with you re: Winnie:2thumbsup. Slippery bastard. I'd be REALLY pissed off with National if they offer him a significant position if/when they come to power and make any coalition deals.

+1 though I note that they are taking the hammer Helen Clarke route about what Winnie has done without actually criticising him just in case they need him to form a government! Good luck to us all!

[Sanx]

The enviable thing about Labour and their 'Pledge Cards' was that, in spite of having to work in a less than ideal environment due to MMP, they were able to fulfill all of their pledges.

Oh that's funny. Comedy award material.

[alanzs]

Politics corrupts those it touches. Do politicians ever vote against their own self interest? NOT! Let's never forget, that"Money makes the world go round..."

:eek5:

[Robert Taylor]

National = Labour

they are effectively the same damned deal ... Labour will lose out this election solely due to the external factors effecting New Zealanders.

Petrol is up - not our fault, but Labour in power when it happened so NZ public hold them responsible
Commodity Prices up - same as above
Credit crisis - as above

Labour have done many many good things over the past terms they have had, could you try and imagine where low income families would be now if it werent for the working for families scheme as an example.

but because of all that has happened that is totally out of their control the New Zealand public will initiate a change in office ... unfortunately National will do exactly the same thing and there will be only a change in name, not in policy.

The problem i find myself in is that i want my vote to count ... but i dont feel any of the parties are deserving of that vote ...

I agree with you only insofar as Nationals policies are too close to what Labour is. The reason for that is simple, the slippery Labour bastards have over the decades carefully nurtured a ''world owes me a living'' mentality'' and National have to a degree had to follow suit because of the brainwashing that has been carefully orchestrated. They have systematically infiltrated the teaching proffessions, the media, politicised the civil service and grown it into an overfed juggernaut, and god knows what else.
Yes, fuel prices have skyrocketed and impacted on everything. But the Government is laughing because the total tax take out of fuel has also increased enormously. If they are indeed a ''government for the working man'' then I seriously dont believe it and in practice they never have been. Quite simply they could have capped their total take out of fuel and lessened the impact. Road use charges for truckies, well what a pack of insensitive money grabbing bastards, say no more.
The BIG difference with National is that they are far more blessed with self made practical people with a better conception of the real world. I hope they win with a thumping majority and are therefore free to dismantle the excesses of the most corrupt self serving ''government'' in our history. ( Criminals )

[Hinny]

I agree with you only insofar as Nationals policies are too close to what Labour is. The reason for that is simple, the slippery Labour bastards have over the decades carefully nurtured a ''world owes me a living'' mentality'' and National have to a degree had to follow suit because of the brainwashing that has been carefully orchestrated. They have systematically infiltrated the teaching proffessions, the media, politicised the civil service and grown it into an overfed juggernaut, and god knows what else.
Yes, fuel prices have skyrocketed and impacted on everything. But the Government is laughing because the total tax take out of fuel has also increased enormously. If they are indeed a ''government for the working man'' then I seriously dont believe it and in practice they never have been. Quite simply they could have capped their total take out of fuel and lessened the impact. Road use charges for truckies, well what a pack of insensitive money grabbing bastards, say no more.
The BIG difference with National is that they are far more blessed with self made practical people with a better conception of the real world. I hope they win with a thumping majority and are therefore free to dismantle the excesses of the most corrupt self serving ''government'' in our history. ( Criminals )

Care to elaborate?

[Hinny]

Oh that's funny. Comedy award material.

Pourquoi pas?

[trustme]

A bloke I know, married mortgage 1 kid, wife at home looking after the little bloke.
He gets a pay rise of $50/ fortnight , yay for him.
Puts him over the thresh hold so no more working for families , no more $73/ fortnight
Net income loss of $23/ fortnight , working for families at its best & fairness reigns supreme.
The more the govt interferes the more it distorts things , the more middle NZ gets screwed.

[nudedaytona]

I agree with you only insofar as Nationals policies are too close to what Labour is. The reason for that is simple, the slippery Labour bastards have over the decades carefully nurtured a ''world owes me a living'' mentality'' and National have to a degree had to follow suit because of the brainwashing that has been carefully orchestrated. They have systematically infiltrated the teaching proffessions, the media, politicised the civil service and grown it into an overfed juggernaut, and god knows what else.
Yes, fuel prices have skyrocketed and impacted on everything. But the Government is laughing because the total tax take out of fuel has also increased enormously. If they are indeed a ''government for the working man'' then I seriously dont believe it and in practice they never have been. Quite simply they could have capped their total take out of fuel and lessened the impact. Road use charges for truckies, well what a pack of insensitive money grabbing bastards, say no more.
The BIG difference with National is that they are far more blessed with self made practical people with a better conception of the real world. I hope they win with a thumping majority and are therefore free to dismantle the excesses of the most corrupt self serving ''government'' in our history. ( Criminals )

Hear, hear, :first: three cheers for this bloke. Loser lefty commie bastards that expect handouts but don't want to work for it should piss off. But I should note that not all in government are all bad. I work in government (local government that is though).

[geoffm]

Care to elaborate?

Well, there are 850,000 reasons, (plus another 100,000 from Winnie)...
The government has done nothing for me - I have never been so poor. Joys of the middle class, who pay for everything and get nothing. I had more pocket money as a teenager than I do now... In fact, although I hate the place, i have applied for jobs in Oz - the difference in take home pay and what it can buy is forcing me to consider being an economic refugee. I would have more chance in having a holiday in NZ but working in Australia than living in NZ - the pay difference is enough to afford to come over here and tour for a couple of weeks, which I can't afford now. If I stay here, it is only due to family ties. I love NZ, and it is great motorcycle country, but that is no good if you can't afford to enjoy it.

[Tank]

National = Labour



Bollocks - I believe that there is a world of difference in the way that the parties will govern.

National = Labour only in regards to both John Key and Helen Clarke liking women.:bleh:

[Swoop]

Petrol is up - not our fault, but Labour in power when it happenedCommodity Prices up - same as above
Credit crisis - as above
So liarbour could actually do something about minimising the impact on the sountry, but did they do anything? No!
"Just keep piling on the taxes".




Then we have the "no baubles for me" foreign minister...


Can you trust Winston Peters???

[Trouser]

A bloke I know, married mortgage 1 kid, wife at home looking after the little bloke.
He gets a pay rise of $50/ fortnight , yay for him.
Puts him over the thresh hold so no more working for families , no more $73/ fortnight
Net income loss of $23/ fortnight , working for families at its best & fairness reigns supreme.
The more the govt interferes the more it distorts things , the more middle NZ gets screwed.

Rubbish.

To get $37.5 per week with one child he would be on around 62k. You didn't specify if that was before or after tax. After tax $50 would be $2200, before tax it would be $1300.

Say he goes up to $64.2k he would still get $26 per week, $52 p/f. Same figures for $63.3k.

Don't view this as an apology for the Labour government. It certainly isn't but please don't see WFF as the mad rampaging beast that alot of people make out it to be.

[fire eyes]

Im off to Oz for work so wont be around come Election time .. yup Im going for work .. but equally keen for change/something different .. didn't feel drawn to move to any other place in NZ ..

One thing that gets on my grate about the Government here and probably everywhere else in the world .. is the way the politicians treat each other .. ok I think Im having a rant .. the nastiness/putdowns/constant need for them to trample on each other I actually find quite disturbing & disheartening. Adults? my 6 year old could teach them a thing or two about conduct. If common decency & consideration is not a priority for the people who govern this country ... why should everyone else bother!

I absolutely love New Zealand .. I just would like to see everyone treat each other better .. even the politicians! not such a bad thing is it?

[McJim]

Impossible for the elected government to be what I wanted.

No one I want is standing for election :no:

[Robert Taylor]

Care to elaborate?

Nope, better things to do and I think those that followed your post have done so more than adequately.

[Hinny]

Nope, better things to do and I think those that followed your post have done so more than adequately.

Codswallop.

As usual!

[Robert Taylor]

Codswallop.

As usual!

Well, youd better batten down the hatches because the loony left are in for an electoral hiding, deservedly so.

[slowpoke]

Thing that really tickles my testicles is the way people proudly say "I'm a labour/national/wizard voter, always have been and always will be!", like they have no idea of policies, couldn't care less about the issues affecting the country and the way they are being handled, just blindly vote according to some ingrained habit passed down through the generations.

If people paid half as much attention to what actually go on in this country, things that actually affect them and their families on a daily basis and read articles rather than just headlines, as opposed to the latest issue of No Idea or Thuggery News then we'd be in a far better state than we're in now and the pollies would be far more accountable.

We've got exactly what we deserve 'cos 99% of the time we don't give a fuck and fall for the manky wee carrots they throw our way at election time. We've got no one to blame but ourselves. The good news is we've got a chance to push things in a direction that suits us, we've just got to care enough, and be smart enough to do so....

[Hinny]

You said a mouthful there, Slowpoke.
Reality is an extremely difficult concept for too many people in my opinion.

[MisterD]

The new pledge card

[Toaster]

I'll be celebrating if Winnie the pooh gets the boot from Parliament though. He's a brilliant polly, just so totally self serving, and transparant with it.

Agreed. From what I've seen, or not seen for that matter, he's a lazy bugger who spends more time boozing than working and just jet sets around the world nowdays on behalf of her royal dictatorshipness... who also spends a huge amount of time overseas at our expense.

Nice new BMW's too.... where's ours?

[Toaster]

Well, youd better batten down the hatches because the loony left are in for an electoral hiding, deservedly so.

Oh well said! :first:

[MisterD]

The enviable thing about Labour and their 'Pledge Cards' was that, in spite of having to work in a less than ideal environment due to MMP, they were able to fulfill all of their pledges.
I think it would be nice to see 'Pledge Cards' from every party.

Hmm, a quick search of the Harold online reveals:



Our mission is to clean up government and clean up parliament too.

[MisterD]

A couple more snippets from the archives:



Announcing her first cabinet line-up - to be sworn in by the Governor-General this afternoon - the Prime Minister-designate identified her Government's greatest challenge as transforming the economy to maintain New Zealand's First World living standards.

and


Helen Clark has given herself another job - keeping a strict eye on ministerial perks as part of her promise to "clean up government".

Are we ROFL'ing yet?

[Hinny]

For a quick reality check access UN or NZ Statistics data.

[bull]

What pisses me off is that The Parties instead of backing their policies resort to making attacks at the opposition policies. Its almost as if they dont think there own ones stand up so they have to bring the other ones down.

The petrol issue is really going to hurt Labour but its not as if they made the problem - you cant honestly believe that any other party would drop the tax on petrol to help out the people.

I personally think labour will stay in power as alot will be thinking better the devil we know rather than a new Blue Devil.

Either way im with Blackbird - ill do my best to ensure my family is achieving as much as possible in all aspects and hopefully can survive through another poorly run government.

[Lias]

I'm with you re: Winnie:2thumbsup. Slippery bastard. I'd be REALLY pissed off with National if they offer him a significant position if/when they come to power and make any coalition deals.

No no no no.. Havn't you been attending your grey power meetings, anyone your age must support winston.. its an accepted part of being old .

/me ducks and runs

[Blackbird]

No no no no.. Havn't you been attending your grey power meetings, anyone your age must support winston.. its an accepted part of being old .

/me ducks and runs

Hahahaha, I may be old but I'm not effing senile like the Tauranga oldies ya cheeky whippersnapper :bleh: If I was old AND rode a Gixxer, then maybe...

[oldrider]

I used to travel across Cook Straight on the Interislander for $90.00.

$45.00 for me (pensioner) and $45.00 for the bike (pensioner rates again)

Winston sent me his "Gold card" and his discount increased it to $110.00. :doh:

Can you trust Winston.......NO. :headbang: He's just another socialist opportunist. (IMHO) :shifty: John.

[Indiana_Jones]

I was gonna stand for parliament, but you have to be a New Zealand citizen.

-Indy

[Sanx]

Pourquoi pas?

Pourquoi pas means why not, which in the context it was presented makes no sense. I presume you're asking why I think your statement that Labour has delivered on the pledges Komrade Klerk stole money from the public to publicise is funny.

So, provided you can find a list of the pledges made on the 2005 Electioneering card, I'll answer them one by one. But good luck finding a copy. The pledges are no longer contained on Labour's site; just nebulous references to how well the delivered on them.

[SPman]

Well, I think it's time for middle income families to finally have a break. Labour will never deliver that
And National will??????



one born every minute........:dodge:

[SPman]

I agree with you only insofar as Nationals policies are too close to what Labour is. The reason for that is simple, the slippery Labour bastards have over the decades carefully nurtured a ''world owes me a living'' mentality'' and National have to a degree had to follow suit because of the brainwashing that has been carefully orchestrated. They have systematically infiltrated the teaching proffessions, the media, politicised the civil service - it happens with all governments and grown it into an overfed juggernaut, and god knows what else.
Yes, fuel prices have skyrocketed and impacted on everything. But the Government is laughing because the total tax take out of fuel has also increased enormously.Why else do most Governments around the world not really care, then. If they are indeed a ''government for the working man'' then I seriously dont believe it and in practice they never have been. - like the majority of most Labour governments over the last 25 yrs - have drifted to the centre and taken over where National used to sit. Most National style governments have got even more right wing! Quite simply they could have capped their total take out of fuel and lessened the impact.No other government in the world has, Road use charges for truckies, well what a pack of insensitive money grabbing bastards, say no more. Why not. Trucks hammer the roads and more stuff should go by rail, anyway.
The BIG difference with National is that they are far more blessed with self made practical people with a better conception of the real world. - as it applies to big business and "make all my mates rich while we fuck over the general populace" I hope they win with a thumping majority and are therefore free to dismantle the excesses of the most corrupt self serving ''government'' in our history. - apart from the Roger Douglas influenced Labour gov and the National government that followed - Bolgers bashers and Shipleys Sharks! ( Criminals ) - yes,they sure were!
The only reason Labour deserves to get the boot is because they have "three term arrogance". After six or seven yrs in power, most governments seem to think they are beholding to no one and the public will take what they are given and like it!
Well - fuck them all!

[Hinny]

I'm with you re: Winnie:2thumbsup. Slippery bastard. I'd be REALLY pissed off with National if they offer him a significant position if/when they come to power and make any coalition deals.

So what's your position on any other coalition partners?
Would they be able to work with anyone?

[brendonjw]

The enviable thing about Labour and their 'Pledge Cards' was that, in spite of having to work in a less than ideal environment due to MMP, they were able to fulfill all of their pledges.
I think it would be nice to see 'Pledge Cards' from every party.

Your taking the piss arent ya :laugh:
Just off the top of my head what happened to the tax break (chewing gum one) that was promised....
The interest free student load bribe was a nice winner for them last time, doesnt matter the damage its doing to the economy (and yes i was a student with a loan when they came up with it, no i didnt support it, yes i took full advantage of it)

[SPman]

The interest free student load bribe was a nice winner for them last time, doesnt matter the damage its doing to the economy (and yes i was a student with a loan when they came up with it, no i didnt support it, yes i took full advantage of it) Hypocrites R US ?

................like most of the population

[brendonjw]

If its there why not take advantage of it, id be silly not too. (doesnt mean i support it.)

[Hinny]

It is true that the spending on education has increased dramatically under the Labour Govt. Now one of the highest in the OECD and we do have a very high proportion of the population that is educated.
Do you decry that?

'Damage to the economy.'
Obviously you didn't study economics... or else you were a very poor student.

[Hinny]

Agreed. From what I've seen, or not seen for that matter, he's a lazy bugger who spends more time boozing than working and just jet sets around the world


I laughed at David Lange departure from Parliament speech. Winston wasn't in the house and David said " Winston Peters would have been here but he was detained by a full length mirror"

Does anyone remember when NZ First was in coalition with National and Winnie rolled out a list of things they had achieved in the time they had been in govt. It was very long. Unrolled off the table and along the floor... for a long way.
Looked very impressive.

[Boob Johnson]

Labour have been fleecing us for long enough, they have gotten sloppy & need to go.

National won't win this election, its more like Labour will loose it handing it to the Nats. John Keys is far to slippery for my likings, no major policy's yet = taking the piss.

Rodney has my vote, ever since his personal transformation he seems to be kicking goals.

[Hinny]

provided you can find a list of the pledges made on the 2005 Electioneering card, I'll answer them one by one. But good luck finding a copy. The pledges are no longer contained on Labour's site; just nebulous references to how well the delivered on them.

Do you think for one minute that if they hadn't delivered the opposition would have let the opportunity go by to vilify them without making a sound?

Media propaganda that they stole the money for the pledge cards.
They passed the bill to Parliamentary services for payment and they, the civil servants, paid it. Just as they had paid for things of this ilk for time immemorial. Or do you conveniently forget that reality?

[Robert Taylor]

The only reason Labour deserves to get the boot is because they have "three term arrogance". After six or seven yrs in power, most governments seem to think they are beholding to no one and the public will take what they are given and like it!
Well - fuck them all!

The characature of Fidel Castro reminds me of how poor the ''Marxist Revolution'' has made that country. So too for the likes Of Erich Honecker, Cauceasu etc.
Candidly, yes I too have a problem with really big business and the mulitnationals. I despise exploitation and I also have rather less respect for those that accumulate wealth primarily by speculation. Those that actually contribute to the country and carry people along with them I have a lot of time for. That they should be so stifled by mindless parasitical levies and taxes is an affront to sensibility.
Warts and all, the National party ( with Act party support ) are best able to deliver a better environment for the contributors rather than the takers. That we should have so many civil servants for such a small population is a nonsense.
BTW the Conservative party in the UK ( A Government in waiting ) are on record as saying they would cap the amount of tax collected on fuel. If you take the time to study their new leader ( David Cameron ) he is a very impressive politician that we could well do with the likes of here.

[Robert Taylor]

Do you think for one minute that if they hadn't delivered the opposition would have let the opportunity go by to vilify them without making a sound?

Media propaganda that they stole the money for the pledge cards.
They passed the bill to Parliamentary services for payment and they, the civil servants, paid it. Just as they had paid for things of this ilk for time immemorial. Or do you conveniently forget that reality?

Im still wondering who the woman was on the pledge card, you know, the one with a perfect set of dentures.....

[avgas]

Impossible for the elected government to be what I wanted.

No one I want is standing for election :no:
Welcome to my world, wont you come on in........

[Robert Taylor]

It is true that the spending on education has increased dramatically under the Labour Govt. Now one of the highest in the OECD and we do have a very high proportion of the population that is educated.
Do you decry that?

'Damage to the economy.'
Obviously you didn't study economics... or else you were a very poor student.

Or is that indoctrinated with socialist dogma ? My daughters have noticed a left wing bent with their teachers and one of them got vilified for doing a project on Margaret Thatcher. Not appropriate apparently.

[avgas]

Im still wondering who the woman was on the pledge card, you know, the one with a perfect set of dentures.....
Thats helens wife.

[avgas]

one of them got vilified for doing a project on Margaret Thatcher. Not appropriate apparently.
How bizzare, i HAD to do projects on Hitler and Stalin when i was a young chap.
Always wanted to do Mao however.
Shows how times have changed in paranoid NZ

[Swoop]

The only reason Labour deserves to get the boot is because they have "three term arrogance".
Politicians are like nappies. They need to be changed regularly and for the same reason...

[rottiguy]

Don't you mean a race between tweedledum and tweedledummer


Here we go again, the media have begun the massaging of the polls!

Effectively closing the (so called) gap between National and Labour.

The net result will be a two horse race between Tweedledum and Tweedledee with the usual scramble for minor party support to form a government!

New Zealand will get the government the media orchestrates and it will be called democratic.......yea right!

Tui government more like it! :yawn: Wake up New Zealand. :brick:

Vote for the government that "YOU" want, the only true poll is the election! :soon: Good luck,John.

[Manxman]

Well, I think it's time for middle income families to finally have a break. Labour will never deliver that

ear, ear...

[Toaster]

Labour have been fleecing us for long enough, they have gotten sloppy & need to go.

National won't win this election, its more like Labour will loose it handing it to the Nats. John Keys is far to slippery for my likings, no major policy's yet = taking the piss.

Rodney has my vote, ever since his personal transformation he seems to be kicking goals.

Right on.... fleecing us and also telling us how to live our lives to the enth degree.

The only downside I find in Labour losing this time is that they got to govern during a period of sustained economic growth and had the benefit of high revenues to spend willy nilly - and then take all the credit. They seemed to have little to do with actually helping the economy itself - it ran itself quite happily as people got on with the business of making money in good times.

I'd almost like to see them squirm and sweat over the next term as the economy moves into this recession and struggles with job losses, company failures, loss of revenue, spending cuts etc. Otherwise they will just sit back and blame National, who may have to make tough decisions and look like the bad guy this timearound, just as Labour did prior under the "Rogernomics" reform period.

[MisterD]

Media propaganda that they stole the money for the pledge cards.
They passed the bill to Parliamentary services for payment and they, the civil servants, paid it. Just as they had paid for things of this ilk for time immemorial. Or do you conveniently forget that reality?

So, it's ok to break the rules if you've been breaking them for years? It was the Auditor General who shut down that scam, or do you forget that reality?

Thanks to that and the EFA the lefties are just about broke, so excuse me if I have a bit of a Nelson Muntz moment.

[Blackbird]

So what's your position on any other coalition partners?
Would they be able to work with anyone?

That's a difficult question for me to answer in all honesty. If National needed a coalition partner to govern, I'd grudgingly support it simply to see Labour out of office. However, it really pisses me off to see the minor parties happily prostitute themselves by hitching to whatever party is in power - what price integrity then? A sort of Tim Shadbolt mentality: " I don't care as long as I'm there". Sorry, no easy answer on that one and the next few months are going to be very interesting.

[MisterD]

However, it really pisses me off to see the minor parties happily prostitute themselves by hitching to whatever party is in power - what price integrity then?

MMP works exactly opposite to that, the tail wags the dog most of the time. Exhibit A: Winston Peters

[Hinny]

Right on.... fleecing us and also telling us how to live our lives to the enth degree.

The only downside I find in Labour losing this time is that they got to govern during a period of sustained economic growth and had the benefit of high revenues to spend willy nilly - and then take all the credit. They seemed to have little to do with actually helping the economy itself - it ran itself quite happily as people got on with the business of making money in good times.

I'd almost like to see them squirm and sweat over the next term as the economy moves into this recession and struggles with job losses, company failures, loss of revenue, spending cuts etc. Otherwise they will just sit back and blame National, who may have to make tough decisions and look like the bad guy this timearound, just as Labour did prior under the "Rogernomics" reform period.

This is the type of rhetoric that is usually trotted out after National has been in charge for a while.
'The reason the economy is doing so badly is a cyclical thuing. It goes up and it goes down. Labour have just been lucky they were in when it was on an up cycle.'
The fact that this has happened 100% now makes me think we should stick with the lucky party.

[oldrider]

the civil servants, paid it. Just as they had paid for things of this ilk for time immemorial. Or do you conveniently forget that reality?

Where do civil servants get their money from? The government!

Where does the government get it's money from? The taxpayers!

The reality is that civil servants don't pay any taxes.

Tax is stolen from real producers to pay for the civil servants!

The government withholds some of that money and calls it "tax"! (what a lot of bullshit)

They only got it from taxing the real income earners. (wealth providers)

civil servants don't produce any wealth so how can they be taxed...?

It is just a lot of politically induced gobbledygook to keep the sheeple confused. :confused: Think about it! :shifty: John.

[Speedracer]

Neither party will deliver


Getting rid of the police's focus on speeding fines
Remove the issue of proving your innocence in court costing time and money - we're really guilty until proven innocent.
Increased hospital staff, remove doctors fees period.
More power (electricity) through more REAL power stations (not wind)

[brendonjw]

Im still wondering who the woman was on the pledge card, you know, the one with a perfect set of dentures.....

Im wondering how much the tax payer forks out for the hours worth of photoshoping that gets done whenever shes in a photo :blink:

[Swoop]

The only downside I find in Labour losing this time is that they got to govern during a period of sustained economic growth and had the benefit of high revenues to spend willy nilly - and then take all the credit. They seemed to have little to do with actually helping the economy itself - it ran itself quite happily as people got on with the business of making money in good times.
The economy would have been better off if they had not been involved at all. Consider all of the increased paperwork, regulation and bureaucracy that has been introduced during their time. Shit, WW2 was shorter than the reign of the Looney Labourite Sect.

[Toaster]

The economy would have been better off if they had not been involved at all. Consider all of the increased paperwork, regulation and bureaucracy that has been introduced during their time. Shit, WW2 was shorter than the reign of the Looney Labourite Sect.

Couldn't agree more! I think half of Wellington works for the government and its plethora of departments and ministries... lots of new and fancy govt agency buildings up here too. If national get in and work to make the red-tape workers more efficient there will be a gult of commercial properties up for lease given oversupply from developers and the fall in private commercial leases.

[geoffm]

Couldn't agree more! I think half of Wellington works for the government and its plethora of departments and ministries... lots of new and fancy govt agency buildings up here too. If national get in and work to make the red-tape workers more efficient there will be a gult of commercial properties up for lease given oversupply from developers and the fall in private commercial leases.

As I recall (and don't quote me..) but a number of years ago around 40% of the wellington workforce were civil servants shuffling paper. Given the huge growth in these parasites, as witnessed by the Wellington building boom, I suspect it is over half.
Having priced a few of these, they don't stint the goodies for the top brass in the fitouts either.
G

[Indiana_Jones]

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-Indy

[paturoa]

sheez John, how come your right - again?

I've been listening closely to the language used over the last few days, and the speculation about hidden agendas etc for the Nats. All of it appears to come from the "journalists" (and I use the word reluctantly!).

Just take a little time and listen to the extra words chucked into the sentences.

The other parties must be shitting themselves that no one has recorded their piss up / private conversations and that gets into the public domain. But then again probably not, cos which "journalists" (and I use the work reluctantly again) would "expose" that?

[paturoa]

... and again.

I vote you as the KB soothsayer.

[Street Gerbil]

Could you guys please explain me something? Why is that we are driving the Labor out of the office and yet wish Americans to elect a person who would make Helen Clark look like something between Abe Lincoln and king Solomon? Are we hypocrites or just evil?

[McJim]

Vote for the government that "YOU" want, the only true poll is the election! :soon: Good luck,John.

This is impossible. The "We stand for policies not mud slinging and we wish to improve the lot of the average New Zealand resident and not just get elected to inflate our own ego party" doesn't have any representatives standing in this election :no: