MT motox, n enduro bikes.

[tri boy]

Hi guys n gals,
I try not to gate crash this forum very often, as I am a average dirt/mx rider at the very best of my dreaming.
Anyhow, I'm just interested to know if anybody has ridden/competed on any TM (Italian?) models?
I won't be buying one, as it would be like putting a blind, dithering, Irish one armed paperhanger in a F18 fighter jet.
More interested in the quality/performance.
Cheers:done:

[B0000M]

anyones welcome here, as long as they dont make stupid comments that are completely irrelavant in an off road topic , even then those ppl are welcome, we just mock them.

as for MT, never heard of them myself!

so welcome to offroad!

[merv]

You don't mean TM do you?

http://www.tmmotorcycles.com/blank_4.html

[tri boy]

You don't mean TM do you?

http://www.tmmotorcycles.com/blank_4.html


Doh!:bash:
Yep. Damn brain fart.

[tri boy]

Good looking kit, with all the quality bits fitted standard.
Just doing a bit of research for someone. Would like to hear any ride reports.
Thanks.

[cr125nz]

try these guys they deal with these bikes superx cycles in hamilton they have a website but cant remember it but just goggle it ask for mike

[soundbeltfarm]

was a few at the trail blazer in june.
i think i read in drd that a shop was testing them, 3 i think it was.
i'll have a look in the issue and let you know .

[dammad1]

They have been reviewed in ADB mag, seem to get good write ups. A friend of a friend is getting a new 300, i'm looking forward to getting a ride on it.

[B0000M]

oh right, TM, i havnt even seen a TM for about 10 years on the track! last time i did tho it seemed to boogey!

[Taz]

Like people have said they have all the good gear yet always seem to come last in the shoot outs. Also cost twice as much as most other bikes for parts. Resale also sucks.

[cave weta]

Richard Henkleman at Topfun Motorcycle Accessories on Te Rapa Straight has one. It is also for sale. I think its a 4.5i

[tri boy]

Thanks for the input fulla's.:cool:

[cheese]

Aren't those 4.5i ones the spannish ones. Name starts with s ...... scorpia, sherpa something like that... Can't remember..

Seen a few TMs out and about. Like everything though, cause they aren't hugely popular here its a pain in the ass for parts and service. like say I want a new master cylinder for my CR - I got quoted $65 for an aftermarket one. Try to get that locally for a non Japper.

[barty5]

Good looking kit, with all the quality bits fitted standard.
Just doing a bit of research for someone. Would like to hear any ride reports.
Thanks.

That pic kind looks a lot like a crf450 but in blue from the foot pegs forward the faring on the tank look like a complete copy.

[tri boy]

A little bit of digging found this
www.tmracing.it/eng/azienda.php
That 530FBD street motard could be a fun commuter.
A bit more browsing fodder.
www.tmmortcycles.com/blank_13.html

[mattwood]

[QUOTE=cheese;1657076]Aren't those 4.5i ones the spannish ones. Name starts with s ...... scorpia, sherpa something like that... Can't remember..
QUOTE]

Sherco's?? They look alryt, but have heard bad things about them.

[CRF119]

I recently saw 3 turn up on a trailer he looked to be a dealer of sorts i was in rotorua at the time. I had a friend who raced one a few years back and had problems with gear boxes. He did say it went hard while it was going.

[warewolf]

I've read a few reviews over the years. The most recent one rated the TM as the most pimped ride ex-factory, but it was a balls-out performer and not the best choice for the average rider.

If you have a specific model in mind, I could probably dig up the last review, which IIRC was in TBAM in the last year or so.

[tri boy]

A mate was considering one of their enduro models, and will contact the importers after doing some research.
They really do seem to have all the berries from factory, and it would be nice to hear reviews from seasoned enduro riders who have had one or two comps on one.
Mates no slouch, but also isn't up to the level of ISDE either.
Cheers for the comments.:cool:

[NordieBoy]

A mate was considering one of their enduro models, and will contact the importers after doing some research.
They really do seem to have all the berries from factory, and it would be nice to hear reviews from seasoned enduro riders who have had one or two comps on one.
Mates no slouch, but also isn't up to the level of ISDE either.
Cheers for the comments.:cool:

What he needs is a nice road legal Husqvarna WR250 2-smoke then :D

[marks]

I thought you preferred riding stout English lassies rather than lightweight european beauties....

[cs363]

If you really want something different from the main Japanese brands, stick to a KTM or Husqvarna and at a push Gas Gas. At least they are imported by legit companies with proper back up and they are well proven brands worldwide.
Trouble with many of those boutique brands is they have little or no back up here and are plagued by silly problems that you just don't seem to get on the major brands.
There are generally good reasons that a brand is not a major player in the market, but hey as they say different strokes for different folks - if you must buy something oddball, research it well and be prepared to do money come sale time.

[warewolf]

I'd count Husaberg, TM, and Sherco as "well proven brands worldwide".

ATK, CCM, Cannondale... those I'd rate as "boutique". Odd-ball might be another description.

Who else is making dirt bikes these days, apart from the Chinee?

[tri boy]

Yep, I think TM are quite a popular bike in parts of the European race scene, and Aussie is selling a few more each year.
I hear ya on the backup issue, and can only delve further to allay any concerns.
For what it's worth, Ducati had disgusting backup n agents through the 80's in the southern hemisphere, but look at them now.:Punk:

[cs363]

I'd count Husaberg, TM, and Sherco as "well proven brands worldwide".

ATK, CCM, Cannondale... those I'd rate as "boutique". Odd-ball might be another description.

Who else is making dirt bikes these days, apart from the Chinee?

Just try and trade any of those brands above at your average bike shop and then tell me what the response is - if you read my post I'm not knocking their performance but just trying to inject some reality into the emotion that often surrounds less common brands.
The fact remains that if you buy outside the norm (and I don't care what sells well in Europe - we're a long way from there) you will suffer come resale time unless you are very, very lucky as the market for these brands is very small.

If the desire to own something a little different outweighs the likely loss in resale and oftentimes difficulty obtaining parts and service then by all means go right ahead and buy one.

[oldguy]

I know the TM is up there, in Motard racing, I see on there web site they have got a 85ccMX model. that would be a change from the norm, of KTM. Kawasaki. Suzuki, etc.
Bet they would be expensive though. If I won lotto I would buy one for the little fella just to be different.

[deanohit]

Heres a mix of the SM and Enduro models:
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Check out http://www.tm-racing.co.nz/

[Ktmboy]

Cool Vid:niceone:

I rode a TM 250 enduro bike (2 smoker)when I got back into riding a couple of years ago.
What a neat bike to ride. It had all the fruity Ohlins suspension as standard and as suspension maketh 60% of a bikes performance, well, say no more. It just felt like you were sitting on your couch riding (well for those that sit on their arse). And this was a 1998 model!!

Friend had it for about 4 years and never had any major problems. If I am correct he used to get his parts off a bloke in Rotorua and it was an over night delivery service.

As far as resale goes they shouldn't be that hard to flick as they are fast becoming more recognisable, especially with the demise of the Japo 2 smokers. Watch this space.

Would I buy one... definitely and am thinking about it now.

[tri boy]

Great vid deano,
I think this brand is going to steadily become more established down under.
It just needs acouple of good sponsored riders in MX SM and enduro to get its profile up.
Resale? who cares. It's a competition machine. If it's winning, people will lust after them. MHO
Now all my mate needs to do is further research.
Cheers guys.:sunny:

[warewolf]

Just try and trade any of those brands above at your average bike shop and then tell me what the response is - if you read my post I'm not knocking their performance but just trying to inject some reality into the emotion that often surrounds less common brands.
The fact remains that if you buy outside the norm (and I don't care what sells well in Europe - we're a long way from there) you will suffer come resale time unless you are very, very lucky as the market for these brands is very small.

If the desire to own something a little different outweighs the likely loss in resale and oftentimes difficulty obtaining parts and service then by all means go right ahead and buy one.If it's a japper, they say "they're a dime a dozen, can't give you much for it" and if it is rare they say, "they're unusual, can't give you much for it". What's the diff??

I didn't mention their performance - rather how well established they are. Earlier I wrote that in essence they outperform the rider. Sounds like a pretty realistic call to me.

You won't suffer anywhere near so bad on resale if you buy used.

We are closer to Europe than you think. This is the internet era. Information and parts flow freely across geographical borders. Large numbers of people purchase parts not locally but over the 'net... even for common bikes. It bypasses all the delays & costs associated with the more traditional supply chains. Owning a piece of exotica has never been cheaper!


If I am correct he used to get his parts off a bloke in Rotorua and it was an over night delivery service.Which beats the hell out of the "established brands" that take weeks to get parts ex-Japan or ex-Europe.

[soundbeltfarm]

cant find the shop that was using them at the trail blazer.
will have another look this afternoon

[DELLORTO]

ive sat on one at the hamilton 500....its has very comfortable and was a realy decent bike.....well made and looks like one hell of a motorcross machine!!

[tommorth]

link to sx cycles aparantly they are the dealer have parts etc for tms got a few bikes on trademe to
http://www.sxcycles.co.nz/

[vroom]

Parts for TM bikes are available in most cases on overnight courier from the importer in CHCH. Apart from the odd one most prices are less than equivalent Japanese parts plus parts tend to be top end items!
We are finding that resale value has gone up now supply is good, from new they seem to be on par with a Honda of the same year. After 3-5 years they hold their value better because of superior quality and performance.
Backup in NZ is as good as any where if not better! TM NZ has one of the most viewed web sites for TM any where and includes tech info that is being accessed worldwide. Shane has experience working in Italy on MX and Supermoto R&D and has many direct connections with factory tech (not just in TM) he spends a lot of time these days making or attending to "overseas" customers race bikes (check out an exclusive with Davide Gozzini coming up!).
Their new forum has more members from outside NZ than in and is fast becoming the place to be for TM!
Not sure about this statement "Trouble with many of those boutique brands is they have little or no back up here and are plagued by silly problems that you just don't seem to get on the major brands." as it's just not correct regarding TM! plus I personally don't think it is right for many of the other "boutique brands" either in reference to silly problems.
It would be nice to get the profile up in NZ but TM NZ is not going to "buy" riders like the big 5 do, nor does TM Italy buy it's riders. Budget for this is just not there. Despite this TM is multi time Enduro Champions which wouldn't happen for a bike if it was plagued with silly problems!! TM is definitely a force in Supermoto and with the right rider will also be in MX.

[theblacksmith]

Aren't those 4.5i ones the spannish ones. Name starts with s ...... scorpia, sherpa something like that... Can't remember..

Seen a few TMs out and about. Like everything though, cause they aren't hugely popular here its a pain in the ass for parts and service. like say I want a new master cylinder for my CR - I got quoted $65 for an aftermarket one. Try to get that locally for a non Japper.



Sherco is the spanish one I think aye?